If you were your teams athletic director...

[Mattymc727]

and had 100 million of extra spending to do, how would you spend it. This is meant for you to voice all of your wildest dreams in regards to your team. What conference would you try to join, what stadium upgrades, uniforms, coaching, recruiting, fan base decisions would you make?

Sort of like a AD sandbox

[813Jag]

move Bayou Classic to Labor Day, increase recruiting budget, hire more coaches, indoor practice facility, try to join the Southland (and move up whenever that group goes FBS in my dreamworld). If this goes beyond football then I would build new baseball and softball stadia.

edit: lighted practice fields w/field turf, and field turf in Mumford Stadium. Move track from Mumford to it's own facility.

[Professor Chaos]

Build a new 25,000 seat, open air, on/near campus football stadium with capabilities for expansion.

EDIT: Although first I'd set aside about $5M to complete the fund raising for the renovation of the basketball arena and weight room facilities.

[darell1976]

I would get higher paid coaches (except hockey), better baseball facility, and of course our 25k seat retractable roof dome for our invite into the Mountain West Conference, unless the B1G calls us first.

[UNDBIZ]

I would get higher paid coaches (except hockey), better baseball facility, and of course our 25k seat retractable roof dome for our invite into the Mountain West Conference, unless the B1G calls us first.

SEC or bust xnodx

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Build a new 25,000 seat, open air, on/near campus football stadium with capabilities for expansion.

EDIT: Although first I'd set aside about $5M to complete the fund raising for the renovation of the basketball arena and weight room facilities.

F that, Burn the BSA to the ground and start over. State of the art basketball/volleyball arena. seatbacks for everybody.

[MplsBison]

Build a new 25,000 seat, open air, on/near campus football stadium with capabilities for expansion.

EDIT: Although first I'd set aside about $5M to complete the fund raising for the renovation of the basketball arena and weight room facilities.

I'd probably go $75M in facilities upgrades and $25M in an endowment to support scholarships.

For the facilities, I'd like to build probably one building with the following features:

- new arena seating 6k, including a club level with club seating and 6-10 suites
- bball development center (practice facility, offices, lockers, etc. - B1G level)
- indoor practice facility big enough for an entire football/soccer field - if enough room available, make it big enough to play baseball indoors
- weight room, sports therapy, lockers for other sports
- new offices and meeting rooms for admin, other sports

Basically a better version of the BSA upgrade.

[Pard4Life]

This is the wrong question to ask a Lafayette fan.

[MplsBison]

F that, Burn the BSA to the ground and start over. State of the art basketball/volleyball arena. seatbacks for everybody.

Yep.

[walliver]

1) Pay existing coaches much better
2) Fully fund baseball
3) Add Softball, Men's Lacrosse, Women's Lacrosse
4) Replace basketball arena
5) Build a campus pool and start a swim team

There is no need to expand the stadium, which is currently large enough.
There is also no reason to leave the SoCon.

(I would also give the AD a gigantic pay raise :))

[BEAR]

For UCA:

1) pay coaches better. Tired of losing great coaches to other rich division I schools.

2) Replace turf. Can I get a second on that SLC brethren???? xlolx

3) Schedule live events during football halftimes etc.

4) Upgrade stadium to seat at least 15,000... build it and they will come.

5) Build new basketball arena.

6)fully fund all sports

[Brad82]

Better pay for coaches.
New stadium.

[BEAR]

5) Build a campus pool and start a swim team


Yes! I've swam the English Channel and I can tell you swimming is THE best exercise to stay in shape! IMO.

[bjtheflamesfan]

First I'd buy new uniforms for football (all red, all white and all blue), then I'd put about $20M aside for the beginnings of a new, state of the art aquatics and fitness center (all the way down to the timing and scoring and even the acoustics of the building), then Id build a state of the art softball complex the envy of every program on the east coast, with a video board, top notch locker rooms and operations center, indoor batting cages and pitching areas and a state of the art weight room, then Id upgrade all the concessions in the Vines Center (until such time as a brand new civic center could be built just off campus to accomodate basketball), complete with nacho cheese warmers, brand new grills to fresh prepare burgers, chicken sandwiches and grilled cheese, new computer controlled fryers for chicken tenders, deep fried oreos and other stuff that you know is bad for you, and change from a Pepsi to a Coca Cola campus so that we can have those Coke Freestyle machines at all athletic venues with concessions.

[ncbears]

and had 100 million of extra spending to do, how would you spend it. This is meant for you to voice all of your wildest dreams in regards to your team. What conference would you try to join, what stadium upgrades, uniforms, coaching, recruiting, fan base decisions would you make?

Sort of like a AD sandbox

Spend it on coaching. I think the heavy-hitters in college football spend too much money on their football coaches, but FCS seems to be the opposite. If I were UNC's a.d. I would make sure to spend more to get better coaches.

[dewey]

If I were NDSU AD I would do the following;

1. Finish the Bison basketball arena including nice seat backs for each seat.
2. Expand the tailgating area for football.
3. Build a new 30,000 seat indoor stadium with suites, bigger concourse and a trophy area.
4. Build a statue of a Bison with "the strength of the herd is the bison and the strength of the bison is the herd" outside if the new athletic complex.

I might also restart the yearly rivalry with UND, don't stone me too bad.

Good question.

Dewey

[Nova09]

I guess at some point someone needs to point out that Title IX still exists...

[bjtheflamesfan]

That's why both of my major facility moves affect female sports (swimming and softball) and football (which is doing well with its current facilities) is getting new uniforms and then upgrading all the athletic concessions

[bjtheflamesfan]

Oh and whatever money is left over, 5 million of it will go into the general fund, while the rest will be divided among the 20 sports to help bolster their scholarships (though all 20 sports are fully funded at Liberty)

[BisonFan02]

If I were NDSU AD I would do the following;

1. Finish the Bison basketball arena including nice seat backs for each seat.
2. Expand the tailgating area for football.
3. Build a new 30,000 seat indoor stadium with suites, bigger concourse and a trophy area.
4. Build a statue of a Bison with "the strength of the herd is the bison and the strength of the bison is the herd" outside if the new athletic complex.

I might also restart the yearly rivalry with UND, don't stone me too bad.

Good question.

Dewey

100M budget long blown trying to do that unfortunately.

[Laker]

I'd build a new stadium with chairback into the side of the hill below campus, with a nice pressbox. I'd put an inflatable dome so that they could use it year round and have softball and maybe baseball tournaments inside in the three day Minnesota spring.

[proasu89]

More volleyball scholarships.

[Saint3333]

$25M endowment to scholarships is the best answer I've seen thus far, I'll start with that.

Relocate the track.

Build seats in north end zone to connect the two sides with more club seats and deck for Yosef Club.

Add 2,000 seats to baseball field.

[HailSzczur]

I'd spend afew million buying up more property around the Villanova Stadium and South Campus to expand the Athletics portion of the campus footprint

I'd use most of to pay off/sue the a**hole's in Radnor Township so it gets to the point where we can do whatever the hell we want with our land

I'd start a fundraising campaign to build the hypothetical "Villanova Dome/Wawa Arena" some Nova fans have constructed in their minds, a dual purpose arena for basketball and football. For football it would seat about 20-25k and around 12-16k for basketball, set up similar to the Carrier Dome. The structure would be on the sight of the then demolished Pavilion, Jake Nevin Field House, and Villanova Stadium, using the surrounding land we bought up from Radnor township for tailgating and parking.

[gumby013]

$100M curling and broomball complex.

[SFA 93]

Build a new 25,000 seat brick or masonry stone football stadium with a new jumbotron video screen and a new track facility so I could get rid of the track that is presently around the football field. Also in the stadium I would want covered concessions and restroom facilities.

[kdinva]

1) increase football, basketball, baseball coach's salaries by 12-18% (assistants too).
2) double the recruiting budget for football (hoops and baseball do OK now).
3) triple the existing scholarships for lacrosse, track, soccer (all are at less than 25% max allowable).
4) find a way to triple the parking closer to Foster Stadium and Cameron Hall.
5) Add lights to Foster stadium.

[Bisonator]

Give myself a raise!

Then build a new basketball arena, a new 30,000 seat stadium, all new indoor practice facilities.

[DFW HOYA]

It would be very unlikely that $100 million would come to athletics, in that gifts go first through the University and tend to get spread out from there. But, if we're playing along:

1. $30 million to scholarships: 10 endowed, 20 partially endowed, 50 current use half-scholarships annually over eight years. (Even this would not fund football appropriately-if all $30M were placed in endowment, it would only fund 24 scholarships annually and under 15 by 2025 at the rate of tuition increase.)
2. $25 million to finish basketball practice facility: Georgetown is the only top 20...er, top 50 program where the basketball teams do not have a dedicated place to practice, sharing the aging McDonough Gymnasium with other sports. The school has been raising money for at least seven years on a new facility.
3. $20 million to finish the Multi-Sport Facility. Enough said. Wouldn't be Princeton Stadium, but wouldn't be an embarrassment, either.
4. $10 million for land acquisition and construction of a track and baseball facility. Georgetown is the only top 20...er, top 100 program where the track teams do not have a regulation track, which was lost for good when Kehoe Field was deemed unsafe to play on.
5. $5 million to finish Boathouse project. In progress since 1984, still no shovel in the ground due to federal approval delays.
6. $5 million to endow football and lacrosse head coaching positions. Would be a show of institutional support to two programs that deserve it.
7. $3 million for scoreboard, video board, and signage at MSF. Those that have been there understand.
8. $2 million to endow Hoya Hoop Club and Gridiron Club operations. Would support events and promotional activities (bus trips, Homecoming, etc.)

[MplsBison]

Nicely planned DFW.

Now someone just needs to pony up the dough. Seems like Gtown should be able to raise $100M just for athletics from the alumni. Perhaps as part of a $1B fundraising campaign for "Georgetown: 2025 and beyond..." - something like that.

[DFW HOYA]

Nicely planned DFW.

Now someone just needs to pony up the dough. Seems like Gtown should be able to raise $100M just for athletics from the alumni. Perhaps as part of a $1B fundraising campaign for "Georgetown: 2025 and beyond..." - something like that.

The current campaign is $1.5 billion. The basketball facility is the chief focus of the athletics goal.

http://campaign.georgetown.edu/progress.html

[RichH2]

Geez

Real fantasy time..
Lights for stadium full funding for M & Wsoc,Wlax,FH,Baseball. Remodel and update Stabler, Raise coaches' salaries across the board.

[BluBengal07]

will the Dome card on the table...

- detail evaluation of coaches (replace if needed) and hire assistants to specialist position that are not currently present in football
- covert current track and field/ football practice field into an official outdoor track and soccer facility
- construct a multi-purpose indoor facility that is flexible like YSU's but can support indoor track meets like SDSU(not as fancy though)
- increase football recruitment budget and percentage increase to all-sport scholarship endowment

[UNH Fanboi]

It would be very unlikely that $100 million would come to athletics, in that gifts go first through the University and tend to get spread out from there. But, if we're playing along:

1. $30 million to scholarships: 10 endowed, 20 partially endowed, 50 current use half-scholarships annually over eight years. (Even this would not fund football appropriately-if all $30M were placed in endowment, it would only fund 24 scholarships annually and under 15 by 2025 at the rate of tuition increase.)
2. $25 million to finish basketball practice facility: Georgetown is the only top 20...er, top 50 program where the basketball teams do not have a dedicated place to practice, sharing the aging McDonough Gymnasium with other sports. The school has been raising money for at least seven years on a new facility.
3. $20 million to finish the Multi-Sport Facility. Enough said. Wouldn't be Princeton Stadium, but wouldn't be an embarrassment, either.
4. $10 million for land acquisition and construction of a track and baseball facility. Georgetown is the only top 20...er, top 100 program where the track teams do not have a regulation track, which was lost for good when Kehoe Field was deemed unsafe to play on.
5. $5 million to finish Boathouse project. In progress since 1984, still no shovel in the ground due to federal approval delays.
6. $5 million to endow football and lacrosse head coaching positions. Would be a show of institutional support to two programs that deserve it.
7. $3 million for scoreboard, video board, and signage at MSF. Those that have been there understand.
8. $2 million to endow Hoya Hoop Club and Gridiron Club operations. Would support events and promotional activities (bus trips, Homecoming, etc.)

C'mon, we know that the real wet dream of all Patriot League teams is an Ivy League invite. Just take the $100 mil, divide it 8 ways, and bribe each Ivy League president.

[bostonspider]

Tough call for UR. As far as I know, our football scholarships are fully endowed. We have a new football stadium, are currently spending 25 million renovating our basketball arena. I think I would build a separate 3k seat soccer / track stadium, the remove the track and lower the field at Robins Stadium and add grass berms in each end zone. Renovate Pitt baseball field with lights and more permanent stands and concessions, including a right field pavilion. Finally maybe a couple of parking decks to augment the parking we have now.

[Smitty]

Well considering our history I would have to pay off our old coaches. Get that settled first. I would then upgrade our stadium and training facilities (probably for all sports). Then the rest would go to scholarships, etc...
Fo

[Tribe4SF]

- $25 million to complete planned renovation, and expansion of Zable Stadium.
- $20 million to renovate W&M Hall/Kaplan Arena. Decrease seating to around 8,000, and create concourse area for social functions with view of court.
- $20 million to complete endowment of football scholarships.
- $35 million to enhance coaching salaries through endowment.
- Last two would take total athletic endowment to around $120 million. Could increase annual athletic budget from $21 million to $24 million with about 25% covered by endowment.

[Ivytalk]

Bribe the Ivy presidents to allow playoff participation.xrotatehx

[Tribe4SF]

Bribe the Ivy presidents to allow playoff participation.xrotatehx

Gonna need more money.:D

[AppMan]

Saint I'm with you on the scholarship endowment and the baseball stadium expansion. Borrowing an idea from San Diego State (link below) I think the track issue can be handled fairly inexpensively and paid for by the state & student parking fees. We can always make a case for more parking can't we? A perfect location for the parking deck would be on Bodenhimer Drive between the Greenway Lot and the Broyhill Inn. Since the Broyhill will likely be razed it could be pushed up the street and that land used for an entrance / concessions / restrooms for the track. I would rebuild the east side so it came to about half way on the track (I've got that figured out) and match the new end zone seating to it. Then at least most of KBS would be symmetrical. Lastly, I'd move the field closer to the west side centering it up.

http://goaztecs.cstv.com/facilities/sports_deck.html

[AmsterBison]

I'd use the entire amount for a new basketball arena.

Would also ask the student body if they want hockey (they'd have to raise student fees for that) because that would affect the construction.

[Hammerhead]

The Fargodome cost $48 million 20 years ago. I'm not sure you could build an exact copy of the Fargodome today for $100 million. A 30,000 seat dome would probably cost much more with the bigger roof.


If I were NDSU AD I would do the following;

3. Build a new 30,000 seat indoor stadium with suites, bigger concourse and a trophy area.



Good question.

Dewey

[UNDBIZ]

$100M curling and broomball complex.

Finally somebody said it!! The bonspiels would be fantastic.

[Bisonator]

$100M curling and broomball complex.

Would that even be enough to cover the beer vendorship??? xlolx

[gumby013]

Finally somebody said it!! The bonspiels would be fantastic.


Would that even be enough to cover the beer vendorship??? xlolx

I can't think of another olympic sport that also involves what we do best. Be drunk and win medals...$100M well spent.

[Ivytalk]

Gonna need more money.:D

$100 million may get a building named after you at one Ivy school... But eight?xlolx

[Hammerhead]

I would broadcast every football game in HD on state-wide TV and build a new basketball arena.

Edit. I'd also sign a home and home deal with Montana State and then buy out the return game when it's too late for them to find a good replacement. ;-)

[CID1990]

1. Rebuild the visitor's side of the football stadium to complete the renovation project.

2. Raise the pay of all assistant coaches.

3. Give the rest to the school's endowment.

[URMite]

It would be very unlikely that $100 million would come to athletics, in that gifts go first through the University and tend to get spread out from there. But, if we're playing along:

1. $30 million to scholarships: 10 endowed, 20 partially endowed, 50 current use half-scholarships annually over eight years. (Even this would not fund football appropriately-if all $30M were placed in endowment, it would only fund 24 scholarships annually and under 15 by 2025 at the rate of tuition increase.)
2. $25 million to finish basketball practice facility: Georgetown is the only top 20...er, top 50 program where the basketball teams do not have a dedicated place to practice, sharing the aging McDonough Gymnasium with other sports. The school has been raising money for at least seven years on a new facility.
3. $20 million to finish the Multi-Sport Facility. Enough said. Wouldn't be Princeton Stadium, but wouldn't be an embarrassment, either.
4. $10 million for land acquisition and construction of a track and baseball facility. Georgetown is the only top 20...er, top 100 program where the track teams do not have a regulation track, which was lost for good when Kehoe Field was deemed unsafe to play on.
5. $5 million to finish Boathouse project. In progress since 1984, still no shovel in the ground due to federal approval delays.
6. $5 million to endow football and lacrosse head coaching positions. Would be a show of institutional support to two programs that deserve it.
7. $3 million for scoreboard, video board, and signage at MSF. Those that have been there understand.
8. $2 million to endow Hoya Hoop Club and Gridiron Club operations. Would support events and promotional activities (bus trips, Homecoming, etc.)

Although this doesn't really answer the question...

I'd like to donate a facility to Georgetown. By relocating Michigan Stadium (in its entirety) to the current location of the Multi-Sport Facility.

Just to see the faces of alumni, administration, neighbors, and local government...

[MplsBison]

Bribe the Ivy presidents to allow playoff participation.xrotatehx

One of my favorite scenes from the movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haD1xUPHF7o

Perhaps he was more 'eccentric' than others?

[MplsBison]

I'd use the entire amount for a new basketball arena.

Would also ask the student body if they want hockey (they'd have to raise student fees for that) because that would affect the construction.

For $100M you could build a MVC sized arena, 10k+

NDSU basketball can't fill an arena like that.


5-6k is a much better size for our bball program, a better fit for the Summit.

[344Johnson]

I'd invest 95M in mutual funds or something until NDSU could build a very nice new football venue.

The other 5M would go to the BSA project.

[Tribal]

Give myself a $100,000,000.00 raise.

[ngineer]

What! No reinstatement of wrestling?!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

For Temple
1. Put $50 million towards an on-campus stadium fund
2. Pay the coaches, the salary of our basketball hc should be in the top 25%
3. Change our Lax programs from club status to NCAA. We'd be darn good
4. Use remaining money to update all rec facilities
* I often wonder how Temple hockey would fair. There's potential...


Lehigh
1. Lights at Goodman
2. Renovate locker room facility at Goodman
3. Pay coaches
4. Increased recruiting budget
5. Spruce up Stabler

[GoAgs72]

Add 5000 seats to the football stadium (total 15000) and do a much better job promoting Aggie football to fill those seats. With 34,000 students we should be having sell-outs. AD should be going out getting more corporate sponsors and big donors. For Title IX, add women's flag football. It might start a trend.

[Go Green]

1) Video scoreboard for football field

2) Outer "bubble" for football field for off-season practices and workouts (winters in New Hampshire can be rough).

3) New basketball stadium. Leede Arena was built in the early 1980s when interest in Ivy basketball was at a nadir. Really awful timing....

[bisonnation]

Indoor practice facilitity for football would be cheap at ndsu since our rennovated Bison Sports Arena, dome, and indoor track facilities have everything everyone else has so I would...

1) build indoor practice facility for 10-15 million. Yes we practice in the dome and have other turf fields but it would be nice late in the year for the occasional scheduling conflict

2) complete dacotah field soccer stadium by finishing bleachers and putting a building at the west end where we have this crumbling old tennis court with a building to house summer football camp players as well as updated restrooms and concessions for spectators and office/storsge space for coaches. Remodel old football locker rooms for soccer. Add a player lounge with TVs, pool tables, and entertainment.

3) Beautification of campus.... buy Bison statues and place them throughout the sports complex area and add permanent Bison signage to the dome

4) upgrade the women's softball stadium

5) add corner seating to the dome

Heck with 100 million we would still have money to burn

How about permanent restrooms in the tailgating lot?
New video boards in all the buildings
Maybe a pay raise for coaches although football is already near the top of the FCS
Get more basketball games televised

[Southern Bison]

1. $70 million to kick off an endowment campaign for a 30,000 seat outdoor stadium (designed to handle expansion & to have a retractable roof installed in the future). Permanent Seat Licenses will be available for purchase and proceeds will go into endowment fund for construction.

2. Set up the Fargodome for ice capability and bring hockey to a "varsity" program.

3. Selfish reason: Set up a $1 million endowment for the NDSU Rugby program. A thank you from an alumni member of the team.

4. $50,000 to a unit of operatives to return the Nickel Trophy to its rightful place in Fargo.

5. Balance to the General Athletics Endowment Fund.

[344Johnson]

1. $70 million to kick off an endowment campaign for a 30,000 seat outdoor stadium (designed to handle expansion & to have a retractable roof installed in the future). Permanent Seat Licenses will be available for purchase and proceeds will go into endowment fund for construction.

2. Set up the Fargodome for ice capability and bring hockey to a "varsity" program.

3. Selfish reason: Set up a $1 million endowment for the NDSU Rugby program. A thank you from an alumni member of the team.

4. $50,000 to a unit of operatives to return the Nickel Trophy to its rightful place in Fargo.

5. Balance to the General Athletics Endowment Fund.

$75,000 and I'm in. Lawyer fees could get expensive if I get busted.

[BisonFan02]

$75,000 and I'm in. Lawyer fees could get expensive if I get busted.

Make CAS work pro bono...

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

*ETSU hat on*
1) Expand currently planned FB stadium from 10K to 30K with room to expand to 50K
2) Build a new on-campus arena (replace the Mini-Dome)
3) Fully fund scholarships for all sports
4) Add swimming/diving (M/W), Lacrosse (M/W), Field Hockey, Sand Volleyball and Rugby (W)
5) Pay raises for all coaches

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

*ASU hat on*
1) Expand KBS to 50K
2) Fully fund scholarships for all sports
3) Add swimming/diving (M/W), Lacrosse (M/W), Sand Volleyball and Rugby (W)
4) Pay raises for all coaches

[344Johnson]

Make CAS work pro bono...

well gimme 75K for a reward then.

[melloware13]

1. Expand Bob Carpenter Center to have 2 tiers, and expanded South EZ seating on exterior.
2. Upper deck for Sidelines with new press box on West side
3. North EZ seating expansion on new Football performance center/Baseball facility with seating addition to that stadium
4. Reinstate Mens XC, Indoor & Outdoor Track
5. Add Women's Gymnastics to balance out for Title IX

Probably end up being more than $100 Million, but whatever

[dungeonjoe]

If I were the Wofford athletic director with a $100 million to spare, I would give it all to the United Methodist Church. Why would we ever want to lose that reputation as the smallest school in the world doing it all with little or nothing, David vs. Goliath, little engine that could college? :) :) ;)


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[BlueHenSinfonian]

Make this stadium improvement idea from a couple years ago a reality:

http://www.udreview.com/polopoly_fs/1.1489714!/image/314908963.jpg

Hire a lobbying firm to press the ACC or American conference for admittance.

Use the rest to hire a top tier basketball coach to bring that program up to full potential.

[Hammerhead]

I'm 99% sure they put pipes for cooling the north end of the floor into the cement during construction in case they decided to add ice-making equipment later.


1. $70 million to kick off an endowment campaign for a 30,000 seat outdoor stadium (designed to handle expansion & to have a retractable roof installed in the future). Permanent Seat Licenses will be available for purchase and proceeds will go into endowment fund for construction.

2. Set up the Fargodome for ice capability and bring hockey to a "varsity" program.

3. Selfish reason: Set up a $1 million endowment for the NDSU Rugby program. A thank you from an alumni member of the team.

4. $50,000 to a unit of operatives to return the Nickel Trophy to its rightful place in Fargo.

5. Balance to the General Athletics Endowment Fund.

[geaux_sioux]

I'd drop 75M on a plan for a new football stadium that does not have a retractable roof with the intention of enticing Dave Fennel to step up to the plate with his deeeep pockets along with others to build a 300M stadium connected to the IPF.

10M to have actual seating behind the baskets and a video board in the Betty.

5M to boost all non hockey coaches salaries.

10M to the football program.

[darell1976]

I'd drop 75M on a plan for a new football stadium that does not have a retractable roof with the intention of enticing Dave Fennel to step up to the plate with his deeeep pockets along with others to build a 300M stadium connected to the IPF.

10M to have actual seating behind the baskets and a video board in the Betty.

5M to boost all non hockey coaches salaries.

10M to the football program.

At least Brian Jones got a little boost. But I hope they (Faison, and Kelley) realize we are a DI program and these coaches need to get paid at a DI rate. Maybe not at Hakstol's level but at least average in the conference.