rivalry thread

[813Jag]

What's the series between your favorite school and your rival? What game in the rivalry stands out the most?

Southern is 30-30 (20-19 GSU leads the Bayou Classic) against Grambling. My favorite game in the series is the 1999 Classic, watching the Jags come from behind at the half 31-10 to win 37-31. Last year was great as well, ending a 4 game losing streak.

But to me our main rival is Jackson St, the series is 29-28 Southern. JSU dominated the 70's and 80's. We caught up in the 90's. and have kinda traded back and forth since. Last years win was pretty sweet as well as 45-7 in 2004. But beating them twice in 99 takes the cake.

I really hope this thread gets interesting...........

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I'm going to get flamed hard for this but the only real rival over the 118 year history of the NDSU (NDAC) football program has been the University of North Dakota. They haven't played since 2004 and only missed a couple of games in WWII prior to that

Sadly, UND got a pretty good head start and leads the overal series. 62-45 with 3 ties.

[Apphole]

App State vs Georgia Southern. Need I say more?

There's no trophy for this game, but it is circled on each team's schedule every year. When the Eagles play at The Rock, it is called "Black Saturday." The Stink vs the Goat Humpers. It is a very lively affair.

App leads the series 14-11-1

Here's the head-to-head stats.: http://cfreference.net/cfr/all-time-head-to-head/appalachian-state/1060/vs/georgia-southern/1321

Here's our highlight of last year's meeting in Stinkboro followed by several other highlights.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU485RUwhpQ

[Apphole]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I8c7uhlNBw

[Apphole]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gN7ZVMb-6Q

[darell1976]

North Dakota leads the series against North Dakota State 62-45-3...started back in 1894 and has ended (temporarily) in 2003. The series was featured on Football America which was produced by NFL Films in 1995. The Nickel Trophy represented the series and each school tried to steal it from the winner but it was always returned before kickoff. My favorite game and the turning point in the series was 1993. UND lost to NDSU 12 straight years 1981-1992 and trailing the Bison in the 4th quarter UND linebacker Mike Mooney striped Bison RB Jason Miller and ran for the game winning TD to break the losing streak 22-21. I was there with my parents and it was a sight as fans ripped down the goal post as UND finally beat the Bison after 2 straight close losses.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwbop13A9yQ

[Bisonoline]

I'm going to get flamed hard for this but the only real rival over the 118 year history of the NDSU (NDAC) football program has been the University of North Dakota. They haven't played since 2004 and only missed a couple of games in WWII prior to that

Sadly, UND got a pretty good head start and leads the overal series. 62-45 with 3 ties.

When we stat playing them again no other game will come close in intensity. UNI will come close.

[darell1976]

When we stat playing them again no other game will come close in intensity. UNI will come close.

The rivalry has lost a lot of spark in other sports (half full Fargodome and REA for basketball), so I know there will be fire in the rivalry but it could be a little less intense due to a non-conference game. Now if the two meet in the playoffs...the intensity will definitely be there.

[813Jag]

When we stat playing them again no other game will come close in intensity. UNI will come close.
just going by what I see on the boards, some way some how I would love to be at that game.

[CID1990]

furman sucks

[IBleedYellow]

Sioux Suck sh&t!

[darell1976]

Sioux Suck sh&t!

We love you too!;)

[NoDak 4 Ever]

just going by what I see on the boards, some way some how I would love to be at that game.

I was at the very last one and literally had 3 guys want to fight me on the way out of the stadium, and they won.

[813Jag]

even though we lost this game the last 2:00 was crazy. starts at 1:23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRPVS_cfy3k

[Lehigh'98]

Obviously, Lafayette comes to mind, but in the last 2 decades, Lehigh - Colgate has more times than not been THE game in the Patriot League.

[No_Skill]

North Dakota leads the series against North Dakota State 62-45-3...started back in 1894 and has ended (temporarily) in 2003. The series was featured on Football America which was produced by NFL Films in 1995. The Nickel Trophy represented the series and each school tried to steal it from the winner but it was always returned before kickoff. My favorite game and the turning point in the series was 1993. UND lost to NDSU 12 straight years 1981-1992 and trailing the Bison in the 4th quarter UND linebacker Mike Mooney striped Bison RB Jason Miller and ran for the game winning TD to break the losing streak 22-21. I was there with my parents and it was a sight as fans ripped down the goal post as UND finally beat the Bison after 2 straight close losses.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwbop13A9yQ

I also wanted to comment a bit more on the Nickel Trophy. I think it's one of the coolest rivalry trophies around. It is a 75 lb replica of the old buffalo nickel with a Bison on one side and an indian head on the other. It always felt great seeing the good guys hoist that thing and terrible when the bad guys did.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/Nickel_trophy_NDSU.JPG
http://siouxsports.com/football/nickel.jpg

More info below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_Trophy

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh vs Lafayette 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqW-SMtii8Q

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh vs Lafayette 2011, at Lehigh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvcdEMEo_fI

[DFW HOYA]

There is only one rivalry in the PL. That's how the league wants it.

[Gil Dobie]

My favorite memory of the Bison / "Upstate Normal School - Grand Forks" rivalry was Tyrone Braxton returning a punt for a TD in a 49-0 romp of the "Upstate Normal School - Grand Forks"

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

There is only one rivalry in the PL. That's how the league wants it.

Is there only one rivalry in the Big 10? No. It's just that one is just that much bigger than the rest.....

Lehigh vs Colgate is a big rivalry in the league, as is HC vs Colgate...

[Gil Dobie]

I'm going to get flamed hard for this but the only real rival over the 118 year history of the NDSU (NDAC) football program has been the University of North Dakota. They haven't played since 2004 and only missed a couple of games in WWII prior to that

Sadly, UND got a pretty good head start and leads the overal series. 62-45 with 3 ties.

In 1906, Coach Gil Dobie's team outscored their opponents 167-4, with the "Upstate Normal School - Grand Forks" scoring all the points given up that year. However, the Bison beat the "Upstate Normal School - Grand Forks", 32-4. The UNS-GF refused to play the Bison again for another 3 years after that.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Our main rival has been Southern Illinois. My favorite memory would have to be 2005. 2 mins to go and we are down by 5. On 4th and 2 we throw a 35 yard TD pass to take a 25-24 lead and hold on to win. We were fighting for our playoff lives and this helped propel us all the way to the Championship game.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w8Gv5s4-CU

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Couldn't find video of Lehigh Lafayette in 1995 so here's a "Through The Years" vid...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tP4-Ctu35c

[SFA 93]

Sam Houston State 35-50-2 (Since 1923) Battle of the Piney Woods (8-4) from 1988-1999 (3-10) since
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThf9caZXwqwUef2PkG1gYkU5ujIL9Sb TMjgO9hqM5VcXHrPjv_

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zEWg2FohJ8

Northwestern State 24-42-3 (Since 1924) Battle for The Chief (5-2) in the last 7 years.
http://www.thegoosesroost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/football-2012-326-188x188.jpg

[Hammerhead]

I'm with you. The Whioux are still NDSU's true rival.

The game that stands out the most is the 1986 D-II quarterfinal game where our QB broke Walter Payton's career rushing touchdown mark. The Bison had a 22-0 lead after 12 minutes and one of the running backs "slipped on the ice" near the end zone to set up the record-breaking 1-yard touchdown before the backup QB entered the game.




I'm going to get flamed hard for this but the only real rival over the 118 year history of the NDSU (NDAC) football program has been the University of North Dakota. They haven't played since 2004 and only missed a couple of games in WWII prior to that

Sadly, UND got a pretty good head start and leads the overal series. 62-45 with 3 ties.

[darell1976]

I'm with you. The Whioux are still NDSU's true rival.

The game that stands out the most is the 1986 D-II quarterfinal game where our QB broke Walter Payton's career rushing touchdown mark. The Bison had a 22-0 lead after 12 minutes and one of the running backs "slipped on the ice" near the end zone to set up the record-breaking 1-yard touchdown before the backup QB entered the game.

It was a regular season game. UND never made the playoffs in 86.

[Sammy94]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Piney_Woods

[NoDak 4 Ever]

It was a regular season game. UND never made the playoffs in 86.

It was a regular Nickel game. November I believe. Total **** stomping by the Bison if I can recall.

[darell1976]

6:24 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsPr8hFKaqM

[darell1976]

It was a regular Nickel game. November I believe. Total **** stomping by the Bison if I can recall.

That was Roger Thomas' first season after Pat Behrns (Omaha's last football coach) was fired. UND sucked in the 80's and couldn't compete with the Bison and their mighty veer offense.

[DFW HOYA]

Lehigh vs Colgate is a big rivalry in the league, as is HC vs Colgate...

This has been discussed before, but here goes: the PL protects the Leh-Laf rivalry by making it the only fixed rivalry in the final week of the season.

So why not set HC-Colgate in week 12? This series gets moved around regularly (in the last five years, anywhere from Sep. 10 to Nov. 22). One could imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth moving Leh-Laf every year. But that won't happen.

Bucknell has no real rivalry game, nor does Fordham. Obviously, Georgetown has no such rivalry games after 12 years in the PL, as neither Georgetown nor the league has made much effort developing one.

[Smitty]

Well at least for 1 more year it will be WCU vs App, after though we don't really have a rival.

[WeAreNorthDakota]

The rivalry has lost a lot of spark in other sports (half full Fargodome and REA for basketball), so I know there will be fire in the rivalry but it could be a little less intense due to a non-conference game. Now if the two meet in the playoffs...the intensity will definitely be there.

I don't really see where the lack of spark comes from. REA and the FargoDome are just too big for basketball venues. The lackluster crowd at the women's basketball game is due to an utter lack of interest in that sport down in Fargo. The best indicator that the rivalry is still going strong (besides the ongoing message board war) is the attendance at the minor sports. The volleyball game in Forks two years ago packed the Betty with triple the usual attendance and the Bunker was packed in Fargo last fall. There's also been huge attendance at soccer and baseball games over the last few years. Make no mistake, the next game in the football series will be a packed-to-the-wall sellout, playoffs or not.

[Tribe4SF]

W&M and Richmond play for The Commonwealth Cup in the last game of the season each year. It is the South's most played rivalry, with 122 meetings since the first in 1898. W&M leads the series 61-56-5.

[IBleedYellow]

I don't really see where the lack of spark comes from. REA and the FargoDome are just too big for basketball venues. The lackluster crowd at the women's basketball game is due to an utter lack of interest in that sport down in Fargo. The best indicator that the rivalry is still going strong (besides the ongoing message board war) is the attendance at the minor sports. The volleyball game in Forks two years ago packed the Betty with triple the usual attendance and the Bunker was packed in Fargo last fall. There's also been huge attendance at soccer and baseball games over the last few years. Make no mistake, the next game in the football series will be a packed-to-the-wall sellout, playoffs or not.


When it's in the Fargodome, it will be 98% NDSU fans, too. :D

[Lehigh'98]

This has been discussed before, but here goes: the PL protects the Leh-Laf rivalry by making it the only fixed rivalry in the final week of the season.

So why not set HC-Colgate in week 12? This series gets moved around regularly (in the last five years, anywhere from Sep. 10 to Nov. 22). One could imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth moving Leh-Laf every year. But that won't happen.

Bucknell has no real rivalry game, nor does Fordham. Obviously, Georgetown has no such rivalry games after 12 years in the PL, as neither Georgetown nor the league has made much effort developing one.

Rivalries, more often than not, are born from 2 reasons: Local travel and regularly played games each year OR thrilling, heart stopping, important games played through the years. HC, GU, Bucknell, Fdumb & Colgate don't have the luxury of being local relatively speaking and the games lately are nothing to write home about with the exception of the Lehigh Colgate game (and I'm not saying this as a Lehigh homer, these games more or less have decided the league with a few exceptions the past 2 decades). Holy Cross has a more natural rivalry with Harvard, but those games have been mostly in Harvard's favor the last 2 decades. PL fixed scheduling would help a bit in HC's case, but ultimately great play on the field fuels a rivalry more than anything, so I don't buy blaming the Patriot League for its other members not developing great rivalries. What the PL has done is ensure the LU- Laf rivalry continues as strong as possible with the schedule.

[bostonspider]

W&M and Richmond play for The Commonwealth Cup in the last game of the season each year. It is the South's most played rivalry, with 122 meetings since the first in 1898. W&M leads the series 61-56-5.

It is actually called the Capital Cup. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_Cup

I think my favorite memory of the series was UR's overtime win in 2008, which propelled the Spiders into the playoffs, and ultimately to the National Title.

Interestingly, I think for Richmond, there are two main rivals in football. W&M is the traditional rival, and as befits a similar institution, is a well respected foe that the Spiders love to beat.

The more modern rival is likely James Madison, whom the Spiders have played 30 times since 1981 (UR leads the series 17-13). The most memorable game is likely the stunning loss the Spiders received in 2008 on a last second punt return by Scottie McGee (38-31). UR would not lose again that season. The next season at JMU, UR came back to win 21-17, with the win being secured by McBride's recovery of Justin Thorpe's fumble at the UR 6 yard line with less than a minute left, the sixth straight time the road team had won in the series.

I think there is maybe more passion in the JMU-UR rivalry. The schools are pretty dissimilar, and both fanbases seem to take great pleasure in beating the other.

[Apphole]

Well at least for 1 more year it will be WCU vs App, after though we don't really have a rival.

ETSU maybe? If/when you start winning a lot, the rivalry will come. There was no particular reason for the ASU/GaSo rivalry other than being the top dogs in the league.

[pike51]

ETSU maybe? If/when you start winning a lot, the rivalry will come. There was no particular reason for the ASU/GaSo rivalry other than being the top dogs in the league.

Hmmm... see, I thought it had something to do with goats and mountain inbreeding. ;)

[Apphole]

Hmmm... see, I thought it had something to do with goats and mountain inbreeding. ;)

Our alumni frequently meet on family reunion/speed dating nights.

[pike51]

Our alumni frequently meet on family reunion/speed dating nights.

Ding/Baaaaa.... next table please!

[WileECoyote06]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_A%26T%E2%80%93North_Carolina_Centra l_rivalry

If your rivalry doesn't have a wiki, it doesn't have enough history. Aggies lead 47 - 32 - 5.

The best game was the 2002 Aggie-Eagle Classic which broke a 12 game losing streak. Long marred by oncoming hurricanes and rain during the Labor Day holidays, the Eagles, then members of Division II, had not gotten over the hump with their chief rivals in over a decade. This game looked to be no different as rain and an 27 - 0 first quarter deficit thinned out the crowd. The sun came out and the Eagles clawed and scratched their way back to win the game 33 - 30 in overtime.

[Vitojr130]

6:24 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsPr8hFKaqM

1:16

Yards Rushing:
NDSU: 272
WhouixND: 4

That is all. xlolx

[Vitojr130]

I don't really see where the lack of spark comes from. REA and the FargoDome are just too big for basketball venues. The lackluster crowd at the women's basketball game is due to an utter lack of interest in that sport down in (insert city here). The best indicator that the rivalry is still going strong (besides the ongoing message board war) is the attendance at the minor sports. The volleyball game in Forks two years ago packed the Betty with triple the usual attendance and the Bunker was packed in Fargo last fall. There's also been huge attendance at soccer and baseball games over the last few years. Make no mistake, the next game in the football series will be a packed-to-the-wall sellout, playoffs or not.

FIFY

[813Jag]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_A%26T%E2%80%93North_Carolina_Centra l_rivalry

If your rivalry doesn't have a wiki, it doesn't have enough history. Aggies lead 47 - 32 - 5.

The best game was the 2002 Aggie-Eagle Classic which broke a 12 game losing streak. Long marred by oncoming hurricanes and rain during the Labor Day holidays, the Eagles, then members of Division II, had not gotten over the hump with their chief rivals in over a decade. This game looked to be no different as rain and an 27 - 0 first quarter deficit thinned out the crowd. The sun came out and the Eagles clawed and scratched their way back to win the game 33 - 30 in overtime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayou_Classic

The JSU game needs nothing, I think a couple years ago they called it the Battle of the Big Cats and then the Boom/Box Classic, but to me no name is needed. I remember as a young kid hearing their PA announcer give the score JSU 14 Southern zip!! That always stung and made winning in Jackson sweet. Of course there was the clock game in Baton Rouge in '98. They moved the series to New Orleans but it didn't seem to catch on.

[Uncle Rico's Clan]

70-37-5

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_the_Brice-Cowell_Musket

2008 in the snow

[Apphole]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQRo-ahZrAQ

[Hellgate60]

70-37-5

I'm surprised the cats haven't claimed those five ties as wins yet

[RichH2]

Thanks Owl, great memories.

[bozely]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QPJOFYH176I



Montana State and Montana, the Brawl of the Wild. Best FCS Rivalry by far.

[bozely]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x8eixBF8-HY

[frozennorth]

I don't really see where the lack of spark comes from. REA and the FargoDome are just too big for basketball venues. The lackluster crowd at the women's basketball game is due to an utter lack of interest in that sport down in Fargo. The best indicator that the rivalry is still going strong (besides the ongoing message board war) is the attendance at the minor sports. The volleyball game in Forks two years ago packed the Betty with triple the usual attendance and the Bunker was packed in Fargo last fall. There's also been huge attendance at soccer and baseball games over the last few years. Make no mistake, the next game in the football series will be a packed-to-the-wall sellout, playoffs or not.

so what your saying is just another game in the fargodome

[darell1976]

1:16

Yards Rushing:
NDSU: 272
WhouixND: 4

That is all. xlolx

I was shocked UND could've gotten 4 yards. I think UND won 2 or 3 games that year.

[Go Green]

There is only one rivalry in the PL. That's how the league wants it.

The Ivy feels your pain...

[Big Dawg]

So 813 Jag...FAMU isn't considered ya'll rival anymore?

[darell1976]

I don't really see where the lack of spark comes from. REA and the FargoDome are just too big for basketball venues. The lackluster crowd at the women's basketball game is due to an utter lack of interest in that sport down in Fargo. The best indicator that the rivalry is still going strong (besides the ongoing message board war) is the attendance at the minor sports. The volleyball game in Forks two years ago packed the Betty with triple the usual attendance and the Bunker was packed in Fargo last fall. There's also been huge attendance at soccer and baseball games over the last few years. Make no mistake, the next game in the football series will be a packed-to-the-wall sellout, playoffs or not.

The game will be big, but a lot of fans now on both sides haven't experienced a UND-NDSU football game, and its a non-conference game. Maybe basketball was a bad example but if the game was super intense wouldn't fans on both side scream and cry for it to be played every year instead of once in a while or every other year as other teams come to the Fargodome/Alerus Center. Just look at BV and SS both fan bases have fans that would like to play the game just not every year (there are some that don't want to play at all).

[UNDColorado]

Count me in the category of never really being able to see the UND-NDSU rivalry; in person that is. I entered UND in 2004 so it was done at that point, and in high school I was playing sports so didn't really care.

I do understand the history of the rivalry and if I got my hands on tickets I would travel up there for the game, non-conference or playoffs.

[Pard4Life]

Obviously, Lafayette comes to mind, but in the last 2 decades, Lehigh - Colgate has more times than not been THE game in the Patriot League.

Oh, so you're "one of those"... even though 2002, 2004, 2005, 2009 have been better than any Colgate game.

[Pard4Life]

There is only one rivalry in the PL.

Yup. xnodx


That's how the league wants it.

Maybe, maybe not. But when you can't top the top, why bother? xchinscratchx

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Temple vs Villanova 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTcsSa6mwGk

[Pard4Life]

This has been discussed before, but here goes: the PL protects the Leh-Laf rivalry by making it the only fixed rivalry in the final week of the season.

So why not set HC-Colgate in week 12?

You mean to tell me... there are other games in week 12?

Well, Bucknell would be stuck playing Fordham or Georgetown. The press would go bonkers if that happened!!


This series gets moved around regularly (in the last five years, anywhere from Sep. 10 to Nov. 22).

Colgate and Holy Cross are rivals? xchinscratchx Interesting... Well, considering this game likely has only 3,000 in the seats in Hamilton, it must be legendary in the annals of college football history.


One could imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth moving Leh-Laf every year. But that won't happen.

Nope. That's what 128 years of tradition means... 106 uninterrupted.


Bucknell has no real rivalry game, nor does Fordham. Obviously, Georgetown has no such rivalry games after 12 years in the PL, as neither Georgetown nor the league has made much effort developing one.

So, we should just wind up the PR machine, send out some press releases, and declare Bucknell-Fordham a rivalry game because we are going to schedule them on the same week of every year? Rivalry games have a purpose, reason, and history for existing beyond league games. There has to be an intangible involved... like Lehigh being "spun-off" from Lafayette etc.

Bucknell has played Lafayette 88 times, and annually since 1945... I am very upset that this game is not the same weekend every year! I mean, both schools made no effort to commit to a long-term relationship to play each other every year because Bucknell and LC are not rivals. This is all the PL's fault.

[HailSzczur]

Temple vs Villanova 2010


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=omJJcufPAQk

[Houndawg]

Our main rival has been Southern Illinois. My favorite memory would have to be 2005. 2 mins to go and we are down by 5. On 4th and 2 we throw a 35 yard TD pass to take a 25-24 lead and hold on to win. We were fighting for our playoff lives and this helped propel us all the way to the Championship game.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w8Gv5s4-CU

We usually have great games with UNI in the dome. In Carbondale we handle them fairly easily.

If this is the game I'm thinking of the crowd noise was unreal coming through the radio. Still intend to met the Cap'n and D1B up there some time for the game.

[813Jag]

So 813 Jag...FAMU isn't considered ya'll rival anymore?
not after all those whippings we took xlolx but seriously, people don't really look at that game as a rivalry. maybe some of the old schoolers still do, to me I liked the series but it didn't have the edge that JSU does. I'm still mad about 65-18 although last year helped xlolx

[GAD]

So 813 Jag...FAMU isn't considered ya'll rival anymore?
I still hate y'all!

[kperk014]

even though we lost this game the last 2:00 was crazy. starts at 1:23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRPVS_cfy3k

I actually enjoyed the few seconds around :58 myself! xnodx

[HailSzczur]

Villanova Delaware. "The Battle of the Blue"
All time series 24-21-1
Nova has won 6 of the last 7

The game that sticks out the most to me in this series was the 2000 matchup. I was all of 8 years old, and that was my first time watching football anywhere but Villanova Stadium, and lets just say in comparison it was a real eye opener. It was my first time tailgating too, which was a lot of fun, even though we were stuck back next to the pig farm. Brett Gordon had a monstrous game, putting up 424 yds of total offense in a 59-42 shoot out, good for 5th best in school history. We lost the game sadly, but it still stands out as one of my favorite Nova football memories.

My favorite Nova win was en route to the NC in '09. We were up 3o-12, in the Red Zone with under 1:00 to play, we were in the Victory Formation inside the 10 yd line when Keeler starts using his timeouts. So throwing all rules of etiquette out the window Talley has Chris Whitney and Matt Szczur pound it straight up the gut. We ended up fumbling, but it was still the fact of the matter. It was satisfying to see the lack off expression on his face as he walked across the field after the game to shake Andy's hand.

Last year's highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pRirN9SPpA0

Villanova's other big rival is BC. We're 15-28-1 against them and resume our rivalry Labor Day weekend for the first time since we dropped football. The Jesuits vs the Augustinians, a battle for East Coast Football Supremacy. I am very excited for this game. Needless to say I don't have a favorite memory from this rivalry seeing that the last matchup was 13 years before I was born.

[Go...gate]

Is there only one rivalry in the Big 10? No. It's just that one is just that much bigger than the rest.....

Lehigh vs Colgate is a big rivalry in the league, as is HC vs Colgate...

Holy Cross - Colgate never gets the credit it deserves as a rivalry. The two schools have played in football and basketball (and some other sports, as well) in good times and bad and respect each other a great deal.

[Lehigh'98]

Oh, so you're "one of those"... even though 2002, 2004, 2005, 2009 have been better than any Colgate game.

Don't get your Leopard panties in a bunch. Lafayette will always be the game. I'm just saying recently LU Gate has become a game to look forward to because of league implications and great on field play. Lafayette Lehigh have great games even when the title isn't on the line because both teams get up for the game no matter what. Lately, it's been pretty rare that when we play the league title is on the line for both teams. Obviously this isn't the case every year, but more often than not. Having played, I will always remember the Laf game above all, but in 1998, my last year, there was an intesity going into the Colgate game that was crazy. We knew we had to beat them to make the season. These are how rivalries develop and you haven't seen that with the other PL teams recently. I hope that changes because these are what make football great.

[Pard4Life]

Don't get your Leopard panties in a bunch. Lafayette will always be the game. I'm just saying recently LU Gate has become a game to look forward to because of league implications and great on field play. Lafayette Lehigh have great games even when the title isn't on the line because both teams get up for the game no matter what. Lately, it's been pretty rare that when we play the league title is on the line for both teams. Obviously this isn't the case every year, but more often than not. Having played, I will always remember the Laf game above all, but in 1998, my last year, there was an intesity going into the Colgate game that was crazy. We knew we had to beat them to make the season. These are how rivalries develop and you haven't seen that with the other PL teams recently. I hope that changes because these are what make football great.

We have the misfortune of playing each other the last week, which diminishes the chances that we'd face each other for the league title. If we played Lehigh at the end of October, the stakes would be different, just as if you played Colgate in the final week. Also, there has only been a "league title" on the line since 1986... if you don't count the "Middle 3" rivalry.

[Big Dawg]

I still hate y'all!

That's more like it LOL

[Big Dawg]

not after all those whippings we took xlolx but seriously, people don't really look at that game as a rivalry. maybe some of the old schoolers still do, to me I liked the series but it didn't have the edge that JSU does. I'm still mad about 65-18 although last year helped xlolx

The last few meetings have been nail biters...outside of the 65-18 whipping we laid on ya'll LOL, the games have always been close...the match up should resume as a home and home ASAP...I don't care about what anybody says

[Bisonator]

6:24 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsPr8hFKaqM

2 things:

1. Benny will always be #1!

2. I think UND is running the same defense or lack there of as 27 years ago! xlolx

[813Jag]

The last few meetings have been nail biters...outside of the 65-18 whipping we laid on ya'll LOL, the games have always been close...the match up should resume as a home and home ASAP...I don't care about what anybody says
There were some absolute shootouts in Baton Rouge. Of course we can't forget the two wins in Atlanta in 95.

[Seawolf97]

Simple - it is Albany. As long as we are both in the CAA the SBU-Albany Game will be the last game of the season for both teams. And we are picking a special name for it . So we start the series all over again since we left the NEC.

[Bisonwinagn]

6:24 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsPr8hFKaqM

That's Ed Schultz broadcasting back in the day for any of you that follow politics.

Also the games on the ice and snow were ok back then, but I'll take the dome any day now.

[Bisonator]

That's Ed Schultz broadcasting back in the day for any of you that follow politics.

Also the games on the ice and snow were ok back then, but I'll take the dome any day now.

Who was doing the color commentary back then? That guy was awful.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

That's Ed Schultz broadcasting back in the day for any of you that follow politics.

Also the games on the ice and snow were ok back then, but I'll take the dome any day now.


Another little nugget. You see University of Iowa AD Gary Barta pulling mop up duty near the end of that game at QB.

[darell1976]

2 things:

1. Benny will always be #1!

2. I think UND is running the same defense or lack there of as 27 years ago! xlolx

I pray our defense doesn't go back to the pre Dale Lennon era.

[BisonFan02]

I pray our defense doesn't go back to the pre Dale Lennon era.

It's already there darell barring a big turnaround this year.

[Southern Bison]

I attended NDSU during the D-II days in the late '90s and vividly remember the Nickel Trophy and the rivalry. It is truly unfortunate that UND did sever ties with NDSU when we began our transition to FCS.

But looking at the FCS era, I would actually say that SDSU is our rival from a MVFC standpoint and GaSo from an OOC/Playoffs perspective. We have played 3 games against GaSo (1 in transition & 2 NC Semifinals) and all three games have been great matchups regardless of the final score. The '06 game was tight until we knocked their QB into next week and who could forget the intensity of the Semifinal game with the Bison TD late and the blocked FG attempt.

From an FBS opponent, Minnesota is the obvious choice. Beating up on the "big kid from the block" two out of three times in their backyard is what makes it a great rivalry.

[Go Green]

Holy Cross - Colgate never gets the credit it deserves as a rivalry.

Dartmouth-Princeton feels your pain.

[Vitojr130]

I pray our defense doesn't go back to the pre Dale Lennon era.

You better pray that it goes somewhere... post or pre Lennon it still isn't up to par.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I attended NDSU during the D-II days in the late '90s and vividly remember the Nickel Trophy and the rivalry. It is truly unfortunate that UND did sever ties with NDSU when we began our transition to FCS.

But looking at the FCS era, I would actually say that SDSU is our rival from a MVFC standpoint and GaSo from an OOC/Playoffs perspective. We have played 3 games against GaSo (1 in transition & 2 NC Semifinals) and all three games have been great matchups regardless of the final score. The '06 game was tight until we knocked their QB into next week and who could forget the intensity of the Semifinal game with the Bison TD late and the blocked FG attempt.

From an FBS opponent, Minnesota is the obvious choice. Beating up on the "big kid from the block" two out of three times in their backyard is what makes it a great rivalry.

I always say this about a rivalry. The other side has to care.

SDSU would say their biggest rival is USD. Minnesota would say "NDSU who?" It's long forgotten for them.

[813Jag]

The last few meetings have been nail biters...outside of the 65-18 whipping we laid on ya'll LOL, the games have always been close...the match up should resume as a home and home ASAP...I don't care about what anybody says
also wanted to add, I still don't like you Tallahassee Snakes (especially since I live in Florida and know many Rattlers) but you guys just don't rank as high on the hate scale as those Blue Bengals in Jackson xlolx

[Bisonator]

It is truly unfortunate that UND did sever ties with NDSU when we began our transition to FCS.

Still PO'd about this. xmadx

Kupchella and Thomas should have been burned at the stake for that move! Wow what a horrible decision! xnutsx

[GAD]

The last few meetings have been nail biters...outside of the 65-18 whipping we laid on ya'll LOL, the games have always been close...the match up should resume as a home and home ASAP...I don't care about what anybody says
SU vs FAMU needs to happen, I believe there is still two or three games still left on the old contract. Pete vs Billy Joe made it even better

[cmaxwellgsu]

Huh. Nine pages, and no mention of those Purple Pansies up in Greenville. Considering we've met in each other's first NC along with the differences in our schools, we were making a rivalry before we were conference mates. We've won more often in the series, but Furman has the biggest margin of victory in a game and the distinction of handing us our first playoff loss in Paulson. Hoping to hand them one more loss this year!!

[UNDBIZ]

Still PO'd about this. xmadx

Kupchella and Thomas should have been burned at the stake for that move! Wow what a horrible decision! xnutsx

UND was playing for playoffs/championships in D2. Playing an FCS team hurt our chances of making the playoffs (wins didn't count toward playoff eligibility). It's unfortunate, but it had to happen. Failure to resurrect the rivalry, however, rests solely on the ego of your AD. Anyways, I grew up attending the games in the 90s and early 00s and my favorite memory would have to be....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KHaKOjX_Hs

Yes, that is former Minnesota Vikings TE Jim Kleinsasser outrunning the FU (Fargo University) DBs. xbowx :D

[BisonBacker]

I always say this about a rivalry. The other side has to care.

SDSU would say their biggest rival is USD. Minnesota would say "NDSU who?" It's long forgotten for them.

You may want to check with more SDSU fans. Not all feel that way.

[Bisonator]

UND was playing for playoffs/championships in D2. Playing an FCS team hurt our chances of making the playoffs (wins didn't count toward playoff eligibility). It's unfortunate, but it had to happen.

Considering you only made it to the playoffs twice after 2002, I doubt it was worth ending a century of tradition!

Resurrecting the rivalry will depend on UND's willingness to go with an every other year scheduling format. I still think it gets started in 2015. We'll see, still won't be quite the same though!

[Ivytalk]

Dartmouth-Princeton feels your pain.

Brown-Columbia also lost in the third-Saturday-in-November Ivy shadows...

[darell1976]

Considering you only made it to the playoffs twice after 2002, I doubt it was worth ending a century of tradition!

Resurrecting the rivalry will depend on UND's willingness to go with an every other year scheduling format. I still think it gets started in 2015. We'll see, still won't be quite the same though!

Actually since 2002 UND made the playoffs in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007. As for restarting the series..

http://www.wdaz.com/event/article/id/13745/


(AP) — The athletic directors for the University of North Dakota and North Dakota State have been talking about resuming the schools' football rivalry in three years, but more work needs to be done before the Fighting Sioux and Bison can meet again on the gridiron.The schools have tentative game dates in Fargo in 2015 and in Grand Forks in 2017, UND athletic director Brian Faison said."Until contracts are signed, it's still tentative," he told the Grand Forks Herald. "We'll be sending (NDSU) contract drafts ... the first of next week."NDSU athletic director Gene Taylor said no details have been worked out, and both university presidents likely will need to weigh in.

That was May 17th 2012..a year later why haven't we heard why the contract wasn't signed by Taylor? For the price of scheduling and teams backing out a game vs UND would make sense for NDSU.

As of today NDSU has 1 game scheduled for 2015 9/5 @ Montana (gobison.com)

UND has 2 OOC games scheduled 9/5 @ Wyoming, 9/12 vs Drake leaving 9/19 open, and 11/7 open (undsports.com)

[Go Bison]

[QUOTE=UNDBIZ;1973561]UND was playing for playoffs/championships in D2. Playing an FCS team hurt our chances of making the playoffs (wins didn't count toward playoff eligibility). It's unfortunate, but it had to happen. Failure to resurrect the rivalry, however, rests solely on the ego of your AD. Anyways, I grew up attending the games in the 90s and early 00s and my favorite memory would have to be....

I didn't have to happen. UND could have(and should have) signed the 4 year home and home agreement that NDSU wrote up back then. Then the rivalry would still be played, plain and simple. You keep using the DII playoff as an excuse which is what UND leadership did at that time. Not only was UND wrong to not move up when NDSU did, they screwed up the rivarly as well.

What is up with you calling NDSU by the name FU? Talk about disrespect!

[darell1976]

[QUOTE=UNDBIZ;1973561]UND was playing for playoffs/championships in D2. Playing an FCS team hurt our chances of making the playoffs (wins didn't count toward playoff eligibility). It's unfortunate, but it had to happen. Failure to resurrect the rivalry, however, rests solely on the ego of your AD. Anyways, I grew up attending the games in the 90s and early 00s and my favorite memory would have to be....

I didn't have to happen. UND could have(and should have) signed the 4 year home and home agreement that NDSU wrote up back then. Then the rivalry would still be played, plain and simple. You keep using the DII playoff as an excuse which is what UND leadership did at that time. Not only was UND wrong to not move up when NDSU did, they screwed up the rivarly as well.

What is up with you calling NDSU by the name FU? Talk about disrespect!

What is with Bison fans calling UND other than UND (UN_, UNdies, Whioux, and whatever name that Gil Dobie used). We could call you guys ND Ag College...since that is the name you used to be? FU sorta fits because the Summit League didn't want to call schools by their names (University of Nebraska-Omaha, IPFW, etc) they decided to call them by their city. Fargo University vs Brookings College.

[UNDColorado]

Still PO'd about this. xmadx

Kupchella and Thomas should have been burned at the stake for that move! Wow what a horrible decision! xnutsx

Hindsight is always 20/20...we probably should have just taken our lumps and played SU while they were transitioning. There were also reasons not to play.

I am happy that those days are long gone and hopefully we can meet in the playoffs because that would be huge; which I believe is an understatement.

[darell1976]

Hindsight is always 20/20...we probably should have just taken our lumps and played SU while they were transitioning. There were also reasons not to play.

I am happy that those days are long gone and hopefully we can meet in the playoffs because that would be huge; which I believe is an understatement.

Since UND beat UNI in 2006 and SUU in 2007 maybe we should've.

[Go Bison]

[QUOTE=Go Bison;1973592]

What is with Bison fans calling UND other than UND (UN_, UNdies, Whioux, and whatever name that Gil Dobie used). We could call you guys ND Ag College...since that is the name you used to be? FU sorta fits because the Summit League didn't want to call schools by their names (University of Nebraska-Omaha, IPFW, etc) they decided to call them by their city. Fargo University vs Brookings College.

Well you won't see me using those names for UND. Calling NDSU FU might get people confused with Furman University on this board!

[darell1976]

[QUOTE=darell1976;1973593]

Well you won't see me using those names for UND. Calling NDSU FU might get people confused with Furman University on this board!

That's good to hear.:)

[UNDColorado]

[QUOTE=UNDBIZ;1973561]UND was playing for playoffs/championships in D2. Playing an FCS team hurt our chances of making the playoffs (wins didn't count toward playoff eligibility). It's unfortunate, but it had to happen. Failure to resurrect the rivalry, however, rests solely on the ego of your AD. Anyways, I grew up attending the games in the 90s and early 00s and my favorite memory would have to be....

I didn't have to happen. UND could have(and should have) signed the 4 year home and home agreement that NDSU wrote up back then. Then the rivalry would still be played, plain and simple. You keep using the DII playoff as an excuse which is what UND leadership did at that time. Not only was UND wrong to not move up when NDSU did, they screwed up the rivarly as well.

What is up with you calling NDSU by the name FU? Talk about disrespect!

UND certainly should have moved up right away...that is a blunder. Otherwise you are looking at this through yellow tinted glasses. There are two sides to every argument.

[darell1976]

[QUOTE=Go Bison;1973592]

UND certainly should have moved up right away...that is a blunder. Otherwise you are looking at this through yellow tinted glasses. There are two sides to every argument.

A lot of talk was could UND afford to move up. If UND moved up in 04 and both SU and UND had a financial crisis and had to move back down they would've gotten criticized for moving up, so instead they took a wait and see (despite fan disapproval). There is also the playoff issue but that applied to only football not other sports so that argument only goes so far too. But how about this its been 10 years, and now schools are playing each other EXCEPT football. Kupchella and Thomas are no longer at UND, Chapman is no longer at NDSU but Gene Taylor is, so you can see why UND fans would blame him for not starting the rivalry back up. If he want to say FU to UND fine, just come out and say it (not those exact words but just say I no longer will schedule UND in football), however there would be so much pressure from NDSU's president, alumni, and fans that GT would be looking for a new job. I think the MSU backout and scheduling Ferris State will move to the renewal of the rivalry...however 2015 is filling up for UND, so fans may have to either count on the playoffs or start scheduling each other ASAP before the schedules get done before the end of the decade. The reason Faison wanted every year was in the GWFC scheduling was very tough but now with 8 conference games instead of 4 scheduling got easier and minus an FBS team you have 2 OOC spots and NDSU every other year or every 2 years would work now.

[Bisonator]

The reason Faison wanted every year was in the GWFC scheduling was very tough but now with 8 conference games instead of 4 scheduling got easier and minus an FBS team you have 2 OOC spots and NDSU every other year or every 2 years would work now.

So basically whatever's good for UND at the time, eh? Same old, same old! :D

[darell1976]

So basically whatever's good for UND at the time, eh? Same old, same old! :D

Do you remember the GWFC days? 4 conference games 7 OOC games, I am thinking he would rather pay to have NDSU come to Grand Forks than a DII or NAIA team. Attendance was horrible during transition and is starting to increase now we are in the BSC. What's the saying looking out for #1?

[Southern Bison]

[QUOTE=UNDBIZ;1973561]UND was playing for playoffs/championships in D2. Playing an FCS team hurt our chances of making the playoffs (wins didn't count toward playoff eligibility). It's unfortunate, but it had to happen. Failure to resurrect the rivalry, however, rests solely on the ego of your AD.

Talk to the Montana State AD and see how soon he'll be invited to the Fargodome. Hopefully the NCAA will force them to be there in December. Those that screw up a good thing are the ones that see their downfall. The Whioux destroyed the tradition, plain and simple.

[Go Bison]

Do you remember the GWFC days? 4 conference games 7 OOC games, I am thinking he would rather pay to have NDSU come to Grand Forks than a DII or NAIA team. Attendance was horrible during transition and is starting to increase now we are in the BSC. What's the saying looking out for #1?

This Bison fan remember the GWFC days well. I remember having to play Montana Tech in 2004 when UND didn't sign the home and home agreement very late in the process. Thanks Roger Thomas for that one.

Based on the last two seasons I guess you would have to say NDSU is #1.

[clenz]

Our main rival has been Southern Illinois. My favorite memory would have to be 2005. 2 mins to go and we are down by 5. On 4th and 2 we throw a 35 yard TD pass to take a 25-24 lead and hold on to win. We were fighting for our playoff lives and this helped propel us all the way to the Championship game.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w8Gv5s4-CU


We usually have great games with UNI in the dome. In Carbondale we handle them fairly easily.

If this is the game I'm thinking of the crowd noise was unreal coming through the radio. Still intend to met the Cap'n and D1B up there some time for the game.SIU is the only team I'd even consider for UNI.

The game are always close. The teams have played 31 times, UNI leads the series 16-15, and the point total is 777 for UNI and 772 for SIU.


Contrary to dawgs "handle them easily" in Carbondale, it's greatly exaggerated. UNI has not won in Carbondale since 1996 (a 33-7 win), and SIU has just 1 win in CF since 1996 (a 27-20 W in 2009).

Point differential for games in Carbondale since 1996 is 12, but 5 of those 8 games are 1 score games....(3 7 3 24 4 31 20 7)

These two teams have combined for a total of 21 conference titles since 1985.

[darell1976]

[QUOTE=UNDBIZ;1973561]UND was playing for playoffs/championships in D2. Playing an FCS team hurt our chances of making the playoffs (wins didn't count toward playoff eligibility). It's unfortunate, but it had to happen. Failure to resurrect the rivalry, however, rests solely on the ego of your AD.

Talk to the Montana State AD and see how soon he'll be invited to the Fargodome. Hopefully the NCAA will force them to be there in December. Those that screw up a good thing are the ones that see their downfall. The Whioux destroyed the tradition, plain and simple.

Of course UND screwed up and destroyed the tradition it's 100% UND's fault. (Sarcasm talk)

[AmsterBison]

The game are always close. The teams have played 31 times, UNI leads the series 16-15, and the point total is 777 for UNI and 772 for SIU.


Heh, I'm going to say this knowing that (and partially because) it will bug you, but the five teams that UNI has played the most:

1. Morningside College (50)
2. South Dakota State (47)
3. Drake (46)
4. North Dakota State (45)
5. South Dakota (43)

Look like Northern Iowa has gotten some history back, like it or not.

[clenz]

I don't consider a single one of those rivals.

Drake is for basketball...not football.


Not about quantity

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[ElCid]

Rivalries obviously come and go as the conference landscape change and mature. I looked at the obvious Citadel rivals and compared them to the number of games played per opponent to see just how rivals have changed over time. The Citadel's #4 team by number of games played is Presbyterian, but not many Citadel fans today consider them a rival. Likewise, Ga Southern comes in at #15 in games played (22 games) but I think they were well on the way to a becoming a full-fledged hated rival in a couple decades if they had not decided to leave. These are my perceptions from my experiences. There are many other Cid fans who perceptions and opinions may differ. And it is hard to find a family without mixed blood in SC (Clemson, USC, Citadel, Furman, Wofford, etc.), so rivalries are family affairs as well. Listed in order of games played:

1. Furman xblehx- 92 games - 1913-2013 - #1 Hated, in-state and SOCON rival, no questions asked. Used to be the last game every season, but we got away from that. Purple? Really?
2. VMI xblehx- 68 games - 1920-2013 - Hated, soon-to-be-again, SOCON rival, kind of like you can hate your brother. You love him, but you want to beat the piss out of him.
3. Wofford xblehxxblehx- 65 games - 1916-2013 - Hot and Cold hatred. Currently hated in-state and SOCON rival - We owned them pretty much the entire 20th century (1916-1999 - 40-10-1). Played a lot at the state fair in the 50's. When I was a cadet, we did not hate them because they were just an NAIA team then and we beat them silly. However, recently the hate has begun to boil, especially since they are up 14-0 against us since 1999. I would take a victory over Wofford this year rather than any other team.
4. Presbyterian - 62 games - 1915-2010 - they won a few games in the 30s and 40s. Played them regularly up until the 80s but only a couple times since. Since they were NAIA and Div II until recently, not a lot of rivalry there today.
5. Davidson - 56 games - 1909-1985 - left SOCON football a long time ago, when I was a cadet. They owned us early (1920's-1930's), but we beat them regularly from the 40s until they left. More pitied than hated rival.
6. South Carolina - 50 Games - 1905-2011 - mostly from 1910's to 1950's, old SOCON rival. Many games played at the SC state fair. A few game in the 80's but not many recently (our 1990 victory probably had something to do with that:D). There are many Cid grads who hate USC. Since there was an old rivalry, a lot of hatred was passed down from generation to generation. No real football rivalry since the 50s. Now, obviously just a money game among in-state schools. But how can you not hate someone who has a Cock for a mascot? xthumbsdownx Definitely a hated baseball rival.
7. UT-Chattanooga - 46 games - 1926-2013 - SOCON foe, no real rivalry - played some early games in the 1920's-30's but not again until the late 60's and then every year since they joined the SOCON in 77. We seem to have streaks with them, 10-10 over the last 20.
8. App St. - 41 games - 1972-2013 - SOCON foe, no real rivalry - held our own (10-12) the first 22 years (1971-93), but they have dominated since...at least up until last year...touchdown Citadel!:D
9. Newberry - 40 games - 1914-1997 - mainly played from 1910's to 1950's, only occasionally since. An in-state DIv II school. They are not even a blip to most Cid fans.
10. Western Carolina - 37 Games - 1972-2013 - SOCON foe, no real rivalry - we have the edge recently 7-3 the last 10, but they have had some win streaks against us. We are 21-15-1 overall against them.
11. Clemson - 36 games - 1909-2013 - Mostly played from 1909 to 1930s, some during the SC State fair. Old SOCON rival. Played a bunch of games in the 70s. Only occasionally since. Nothing but a money game now among in-state brethren. Not a lot of hate nowadays.

[AmsterBison]

I don't consider a single one of those rivals.

Oh, I know you desperately do not want anybody mistaking any of those teams as UNI's rivals, and honestly, in one important sense (national championships) you are decidedly not NDSU's. xninjax

Too bad for you, I guess. NDSU fans are great for making rivalries out of almost nothing. They can also hold grudges for decades just to add spice to games. As a matter of fact, I don't know how long NDSU fans hold grudges because I've never seen one die.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Oh, I know you desperately do not want anybody mistaking any of those teams as UNI's rivals, and honestly, in one important sense (national championships) you are decidedly not NDSU's. xninjax

Too bad for you, I guess. NDSU fans are great for making rivalries out of almost nothing. They can also hold grudges for decades just to add spice to games. As a matter of fact, I don't know how long NDSU fans hold grudges because I've never seen one die.

For not feeling like a rival, they sure are quite snippy about NDSU on Panthernation

[clenz]

For not feeling like a rival, they sure are quite snippy about NDSU on Panthernation
Panthernation.....yeah.....there's a reason I don't go there anymore.


The stupid makes my head hurt

[Bisonator]

I don't consider a single one of those rivals.

Drake is for basketball...not football.


Not about quantity

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That's all UNI has! xblehx

[Southern Bison]

Of course UND screwed up and destroyed the tradition it's 100% UND's fault.

FIFY

[geaux_sioux]

Actually since 2002 UND made the playoffs in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007. As for restarting the series..

http://www.wdaz.com/event/article/id/13745/


Wait, so we made the playoffs in 06 and 07 even though we played FCS teams? Does that imply that we would have been making the playoffs while playing NDSU? Just admit it, UND screwed up. And now NDSU (GT) is screwing up by acting like a middle school girl who got dumped.

[Lehigh'98]

12 pages deep and no mention of Harvard Yale. Also, for my $, the best FCS rivalry in the last 30 yrs was YSU - Marshall.

[ngineer]

Number 149 Coming Up. 'NUF SAID!!

[Bisonoline]

Wait, so we made the playoffs in 06 and 07 even though we played FCS teams? Does that imply that we would have been making the playoffs while playing NDSU? Just admit it, UND screwed up. And now NDSU (GT) is screwing up by acting like a middle school girl who got dumped.

How is GT screwing up? The results say other wise.

[poly51]

Rivalries for Cal Poly:

Football- UC Davis

Other Sports-UC Santa Barbara

[Laker]

Rivalries for Cal Poly:

Football- UC Davis

Other Sports-UC Santa Barbara

poly51, are any other California schools going to bring back football or is that a dead issue? I remember when the Gophers played Pacific, and when St. Mary's was going to join the Great West when it started up- and then promptly dropped the sport.

[Go Green]

12 pages deep and no mention of Harvard Yale.

See post #56 of this thread.

[mmiller_34]

As an SDSU fan, I have mixed feelings about the rivalry situation; especially now that USD is a conference mate. However NDSU games have mattered more to me since transition.

The hype for the USD game was huge. A lot if Coyote trash talk since SDSU had a pretty bad year in 2011. After the first quarter the game last year was pretty much over and the excitement faded.

We'll see if it changes anytime soon..

[Vitojr130]

As an SDSU fan, I have mixed feelings about the rivalry situation; especially now that USD is a conference mate. However NDSU games have mattered more to me since transition.

The hype for the USD game was huge. A lot if Coyote trash talk since SDSU had a pretty bad year in 2011. After the first quarter the game last year was pretty much over and the excitement faded.

We'll see if it changes anytime soon..

USD has been known to field decent teams in the past, but as of recent it's looking pretty grim for any immediate excitement coming out of that program...

[poly51]

poly51, are any other California schools going to bring back football or is that a dead issue? I remember when the Gophers played Pacific, and when St. Mary's was going to join the Great West when it started up- and then promptly dropped the sport.

Before the economy took a dive there were efforts at Cal State Fullerton, Long Beach State and UC Santa Barbara but nothing active lately. Right now I would say a dead issue.

[AmsterBison]

As an SDSU fan, I have mixed feelings about the rivalry situation; especially now that USD is a conference mate. However NDSU games have mattered more to me since transition.

Maybe USD should stop putting up billboards before games.

[cpalum]

Rivalries for Cal Poly:

Football- UC Davis

Other Sports-UC Santa Barbara

You know I have to say....UC Santa Barbara is a rivalry (a damn good once too). UC Davis....sure I like beating Davis but for whatever reason there is too much mutual respect between Davis and Poly for it to really be what is should or could be. To me even though they are FBS and we don't play them as often anymore the real Cal Poly football rivalry is Fresno St. It was a fierce rivalry into the 80s till Fresno went FBS. I'd even say San Diego State is a bigger rivalry than Davis. If Cal Poly could beat Fresno this year (tall order..i'm guessing they will be ranked this year) it would be bigger than any ten wins against Davis combined.

I know.... officially its Davis but in the hearts of older Alumni it's Fresno.

[BluBengal07]

What's the series between your favorite school and your rival? What game in the rivalry stands out the most?

Southern is 30-30 (20-19 GSU leads the Bayou Classic) against Grambling. My favorite game in the series is the 1999 Classic, watching the Jags come from behind at the half 31-10 to win 37-31. Last year was great as well, ending a 4 game losing streak.

But to me our main rival is Jackson St, the series is 29-28 Southern. JSU dominated the 70's and 80's. We caught up in the 90's. and have kinda traded back and forth since. Last years win was pretty sweet as well as 45-7 in 2004. But beating them twice in 99 takes the cake.

I really hope this thread gets interesting...........

Jackson State's big in-state rival is Alcorn. no matter how bad Alcorn sucks, the game can still make your stomach turn sometimes. Southern is, i believe, is the full package rival. we hate each others schools, we hate each others football teams, we hate each others bands. fans travel to show up and show out. the stadium jumps off HOURS before the game with the bands battling and long after with the bands battling. THE GREATEST GAME ATMOSPHERE IN THE SWAC.

[813Jag]

Jackson State's big in-state rival is Alcorn. no matter how bad Alcorn sucks, the game can still make your stomach turn sometimes. Southern is, i believe, is the full package rival. we hate each others schools, we hate each others football teams, we hate each others bands. fans travel to show up and show out. the stadium jumps off HOURS before the game with the bands battling and long after with the bands battling. THE GREATEST GAME ATMOSPHERE IN THE SWAC.
Alcorn is a good rivalry for us too, they're actually the closest school to us. And for me there's a family connection since my roots are in that area of Mississippi. But I was taught at an early age to hate JSU, just hearing Get Ready makes my hair stand on end xlolx

Honestly JSU is our only all sports rival

[BluBengal07]

Alcorn is a good rivalry for us too, they're actually the closest school to us. And for me there's a family connection since my roots are in that area of Mississippi. But I was taught at an early age to hate JSU, just hearing Get Ready makes my hair stand on end xlolx

Honestly JSU is our only all sports rival

xthumbsupx i hear ya.

[bulldog10jw]

12 pages deep and no mention of Harvard Yale.

It goes without saying

[geaux_sioux]

How is GT screwing up? The results say other wise.
Purely from the rivalry standpoint he is screwing up. Obviously you guys have been successful the last few years. Could've scheduled us non conference this year and there would be no Ferris St. on your schedule. Although at this point I think it would be pretty cool for the rivalry to start back up in the playoffs.

[dcpsujag]

even though we lost this game the last 2:00 was crazy. starts at 1:23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRPVS_cfy3k

that film always make me sick to my stomach. all that had to do was tackle him and the game is over but nooooo they go for the ball.

[bojeta]

You know I have to say....UC Santa Barbara is a rivalry (a damn good once too). UC Davis....sure I like beating Davis but for whatever reason there is too much mutual respect between Davis and Poly for it to really be what is should or could be. To me even though they are FBS and we don't play them as often anymore the real Cal Poly football rivalry is Fresno St. It was a fierce rivalry into the 80s till Fresno went FBS. I'd even say San Diego State is a bigger rivalry than Davis. If Cal Poly could beat Fresno this year (tall order..i'm guessing they will be ranked this year) it would be bigger than any ten wins against Davis combined.

I know.... officially its Davis but in the hearts of older Alumni it's Fresno.

In fact.... the Cal Poly fight song refers to Fresno State Bulldogs. There was a time when the two schools would raid each other's campus prior to the game. I do like the Davis rivalry. The fact that both schools have a mustang for a mascot adds to the interest. The meetings go back to the 1930's so there is a significant history.

[MarkyMark]

Purely from the rivalry standpoint he is screwing up. Obviously you guys have been successful the last few years. Could've scheduled us non conference this year and there would be no Ferris St. on your schedule. Although at this point I think it would be pretty c't nool for the rivalry to start back up in the playoffs.

NDSU doesn't need the rivalry to generate interest in our football program.

Both UND and NDSU have always done what they feel is in their best interest since we stopped playing each other. If both schools feel its in their best interest to resume playing - the game will be on again. I am all for the game getting back on the schedule as both schools are only 75 miles apart, however I will cut GT all the slack in the world as he has been a great AD for NDSU.

[Bisonoline]

Purely from the rivalry standpoint he is screwing up. Obviously you guys have been successful the last few years. Could've scheduled us non conference this year and there would be no Ferris St. on your schedule. Although at this point I think it would be pretty cool for the rivalry to start back up in the playoffs.

From a rivalry stand point it was Faison who screwed the pooch by DEMANDING that the game be played every year. GT even said that they would have renewed the rivaly except for those stipulations.(paraphrasing )
By the time Faison pulled his head out of his butt it was too late for something short term. So now we wait.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Id say that Liberty has two rivals. First is VMI, who we have met with 11 times. Liberty holds an 8-3 advantage in that series but due to the proximity of the two, the dislike is very much apparent especially in football.

The other rival, is Coastal Carolina. we have met 10 times and have split all 10 right down the middle 5-5 with neither team winning more than three in a row (CCU 2004-2006, Liberty 2007-2009). With the two regularly finishing in the top three for the Big South, and the likely two combatants for the conference's autobid to the FCS playoffs, it takes on even more importance starting on Oct 19

[darell1976]

From a rivalry stand point it was Faison who screwed the pooch by DEMANDING that the game be played every year. GT even said that they would have renewed the rivaly except for those stipulations.(paraphrasing )
By the time Faison pulled his head out of his butt it was too late for something short term. So now we wait.

Asking for every year isn't bad if you have four conference games now that UND has eight Faison agreed to a non-yearly contract but its Taylor with his head in his ass in holding a grudge that has nothing to do with Faison.

[Bisonoline]

Asking for every year isn't bad if you have four conference games now that UND has eight Faison agreed to a non-yearly contract but its Taylor with his head in his ass in holding a grudge that has nothing to do with Faison.

Requirements changed for UND so of course they changed. But now that Faison has decided that every year doesnt matter it seems you think NDSU should just abandon its scheduling philosophy to accomodate UND? Sorry thats not how it works.
Remember that I am all for playing the game. But I can tell you one thing--GT wont be bullied in to playing. He will schedule the game when its in our best interest. Not yours.

[darell1976]

Requirements changed for UND so of course they changed. But now that Faison has decided that every year doesnt matter it seems you think NDSU should just abandon its scheduling philosophy to accomodate UND? Sorry thats not how it works.
Remember that I am all for playing the game. But I can tell you one thing--GT wont be bullied in to playing. He will schedule the game when its in our best interest. Not yours.

Abandon their scheduling philosophy??

[Bisonoline]

Abandon their scheduling philosophy??

Yes. Its been mentioned many times in articles and on the radio. It involves FBS games etc.

[darell1976]

Yes. Its been mentioned many times in articles and on the radio. It involves FBS games etc.

So SU will suffer if it goes to Grand Forks because they will have 5 home games? If your team is good enough you should be able to win anywhere. They have had a season in the past with 5 home games and didn't put the school into bankrupsy due to lack of funds from ticket sales and concessions.

[mmiller_34]

Maybe USD should stop putting up billboards before games.

That was embarrassing. Of course, SDSU students responded by hanging a dead coyote from it...

[AmsterBison]

That was embarrassing. Of course, SDSU students responded by hanging a dead coyote from it...

They also put up a billboard at the site of 1986 D2 national title game when they played NDSU. The sign got vandalized and guess who won? :)

[Bisonoline]

So SU will suffer if it goes to Grand Forks because they will have 5 home games? If your team is good enough you should be able to win anywhere. They have had a season in the past with 5 home games and didn't put the school into bankrupsy due to lack of funds from ticket sales and concessions.

Doesnt make any difference what you think or perceive it to be. Plus playing the "you should win anywhere" etc card is childish and shouldnt even be in this conversation." Fact is GT wants so many home games a year with an FBS if possible. If UND can fit in there fine.

[mmiller_34]

They also put up a billboard at the site of 1986 D2 national title game when they played NDSU. The sign got vandalized and guess who won? :)

I guess they never learn.

Reading through this thread really makes me realize how strange the dynamics are between the four Dakota schools.

[darell1976]

Doesnt make any difference what you think or perceive it to be. Plus playing the "you should win anywhere" etc card is childish and shouldnt even be in this conversation." Fact is GT wants so many home games a year with an FBS if possible. If UND can fit in there fine.

What is childish is not playing your biggest rival only because you won't play them on the road. If Faison isn't afraid to come to the Fargodome (like some teams are according to bison fans) then why is NDSU afraid to come to the Alerus Center?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

What is childish is not playing your biggest rival only because you won't play them on the road. If Faison isn't afraid to come to the Fargodome (like some teams are according to bison fans) then why is NDSU afraid to come to the Alerus Center?

Well I guess we're gonna try and keep going down this road instead of leaving well enough alone.

NDSU and Taylor owe UND nothing. UND and Faison owe NDSU nothing.

One team stepped aside when the other could have used the games and now the other doesn't feel any obligation to meet ANY demands to restart it.

End of f'n story.

If it starts back up then UND better be willing to do whatever they have to do to make amends whether it was current leadership or not.

And that is from an outsiders perspective with no dog in the fight. UND fans just don't have much of a leg to stand on in this one.

[BisonFan02]

What is childish is not playing your biggest rival only because you won't play them on the road. If Faison isn't afraid to come to the Fargodome (like some teams are according to bison fans) then why is NDSU afraid to come to the Alerus Center?

1) I would put that up for debate
2) Cookie?
3) They're not, but why does NDSU "need" to go on the road when they can typically schedule two home OOC games and an FBS game? How does it benefit NDSU to give UND visibility in our recruiting footprint? NDSU has a lot more to lose at this point than UND.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Did this really just become a NDSU-UND butthurt thread? Im in Lynchburg so like UAH, I dont give a flying rat's behind about whose fault it is between the two of you. I also agree with him that neither side owes the other doodlysquat (thanks to my dad for that word), and both sides need to swallow whatever pride they have (yes I said both sides) and make it happen. Now I dont know what VMI and Liberty will do when they go to the SoCon next year but Im sure that the two ADs are handling trying to make that game happen a WHOLE lot better than the fans and ADs of NDSU and UND are handling things

[BisonFan02]

Did this really just become a NDSU-UND butthurt thread? Im in Lynchburg so like UAH, I dont give a flying rat's behind about whose fault it is between the two of you. I also agree with him that neither side owes the other doodlysquat (thanks to my dad for that word), and both sides need to swallow whatever pride they have (yes I said both sides) and make it happen. Now I dont know what VMI and Liberty will do when they go to the SoCon next year but Im sure that the two ADs are handling trying to make that game happen a WHOLE lot better than the fans and ADs of NDSU and UND are handling things

I honestly try to stay out of these threads for this exact reason...pretty sick of the topic and am just ready for the season to start. I would almost rather talk about FBS...well, maybe not :)

[clenz]

I'm shocked it took this long to turn into a dick measuring contest between north Dakotans....


This is one of the 3 weeks a year without snow, you'd think they'd be outside enjoying it

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[BisonFan02]

I'm shocked it took this long to turn into a dick measuring contest between north Dakotans....


This is one of the 3 weeks a year without snow, you'd think they'd be outside enjoying it

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And now the thread is finally complete with a knock on ND in some fashion or another (weather, population, etc). You guys must be bored down in IA as well.

[Bisonoline]

What is childish is not playing your biggest rival only because you won't play them on the road. If Faison isn't afraid to come to the Fargodome (like some teams are according to bison fans) then why is NDSU afraid to come to the Alerus Center?

So NDSU is afraid to play in GF????? LOL Really???ou going to try and hang your hat on that? Why should they? 9,000 fewer seats so why should we give up a money game if we dont want to? As ursus said----NDSU owes you nothing.

[Bisonator]

I'm shocked it took this long to turn into a dick measuring contest between north Dakotans....


This is one of the 3 weeks a year without snow, you'd think they'd be outside enjoying it

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Way to add to the thread there Clenz!
xbawlingx

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I'm shocked it took this long to turn into a dick measuring contest between north Dakotans....


This is one of the 3 weeks a year without snow, you'd think they'd be outside enjoying it

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Get a real rival and you can fight with them too.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Well I guess we're gonna try and keep going down this road instead of leaving well enough alone.

NDSU and Taylor owe UND nothing. UND and Faison owe NDSU nothing.

One team stepped aside when the other could have used the games and now the other doesn't feel any obligation to meet ANY demands to restart it.

End of f'n story.

If it starts back up then UND better be willing to do whatever they have to do to make amends whether it was current leadership or not.

And that is from an outsiders perspective with no dog in the fight. UND fans just don't have much of a leg to stand on in this one.

I will say this as a native North Dakotan, both schools owe it to the state to nut up and start playing each other again. I said BOTH. North Dakota is too ****ing small for the two biggest schools to keep pretending like the other one doesn't exist because they aren't in the same conference. I'll say it again, BOTH.

I'm about as inside as it gets.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I will say this as a native North Dakotan, both schools owe it to the state to nut up and start playing each other again. I said BOTH. North Dakota is too ****ing small for the two biggest schools to keep pretending like the other one doesn't exist because they aren't in the same conference. I'll say it again, BOTH.

I'm about as inside as it gets.

Totally agree with that. It would be good for the state there is no doubt.

NDSU is in a great position to do good for it's fans, it's budget, etc. so I don't get how anyone thinks that NDSU is not in the power position here and that UND like it or not has got to bow down and stop making any sort of references to what they want. It doesn't matter cuz one side is asking the other to give up something from a zero power position in this matter.

Now if UND were to go out and win a few playoff games, a NC, or even put up a great show or even beat NDSU in a playoff game...Boom, this is all irrelevant at that point.

But to call GT out about this is pure BS when UND brought the end to the game in the first place.

FWIW I was watching this thread hard the first day or two just to see if this was gonna go all stupid and was real happily surprised to see it had not and thought it was gonna be the first thread in a while that was fine but of course some dumb **** from prior arguments had to be rehashed again.

Like most members that are not a NDSU or UND fan, hell even a lot of the UND or NDSU fans, I'm god damn tired of it.xblehx

BTW NoDak that is not aimed in your direction.

[darell1976]

Well I guess we're gonna try and keep going down this road instead of leaving well enough alone.

NDSU and Taylor owe UND nothing. UND and Faison owe NDSU nothing.

One team stepped aside when the other could have used the games and now the other doesn't feel any obligation to meet ANY demands to restart it.

End of f'n story.

If it starts back up then UND better be willing to do whatever they have to do to make amends whether it was current leadership or not.

And that is from an outsiders perspective with no dog in the fight. UND fans just don't have much of a leg to stand on in this one.

Most UND fans don't care to play NDSU since we don't have problems filling out our schedule its usually brought up by media who like some fans on both sides want the series to resume. The deck would have been greatly favored towards SU by scholarships and since when does DI teams travel to DII teams? Remember up til last month DII teams didn't count for playoffs, also around the time SU left DII teams got punished for playing DI teams but later that changed. Now the teams are level both are DI, same number of scholarships, and need DI games. Brian Faison wanted every year when UND was in the GWFC, Taylor said no it has to be every other year well last year Faison sent a contract to Taylor (speculation is 2015 in Fargo and most likely 2017 in Grand Forks) but it hasn't been signed or countered and that was May 2012. Maybe you can see the UND side of things and see Taylor isn't in a hurry to renew the rivalry (or to never play UND) and it does seem childish. It didn't start with UND breaking the series it started when NDSU moved out of the division. USD broke the series with NDSU but yet Taylor signed a contract with them before USD joined the MVFC. I think Taylor has a grudge and whether you don't see it or not doesn't matter SU fans have their opinion an UND fans has theirs. We will see what happens in 2015.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Most UND fans don't care to play NDSU since we don't have problems filling out our schedule its usually brought up by media who like some fans on both sides want the series to resume. The deck would have been greatly favored towards SU by scholarships and since when does DI teams travel to DII teams? Remember up til last month DII teams didn't count for playoffs, also around the time SU left DII teams got punished for playing DI teams but later that changed. Now the teams are level both are DI, same number of scholarships, and need DI games. Brian Faison wanted every year when UND was in the GWFC, Taylor said no it has to be every other year well last year Faison sent a contract to Taylor (speculation is 2015 in Fargo and most likely 2017 in Grand Forks) but it hasn't been signed or countered and that was May 2012. Maybe you can see the UND side of things and see Taylor isn't in a hurry to renew the rivalry (or to never play UND) and it does seem childish. It didn't start with UND breaking the series it started when NDSU moved out of the division. USD broke the series with NDSU but yet Taylor signed a contract with them before USD joined the MVFC. I think Taylor has a grudge and whether you don't see it or not doesn't matter SU fans have their opinion an UND fans has theirs. We will see what happens in 2015.

darell, how f'n dumb do you think I am? I've seen this same thing for many years now and yet you think I need to hear it again?

I'm telling ya my patience is stretched real thin on these same stupid arguments over and over.

Probably time to step away from anything NDSU related cuz calling Taylor childish for not giving Faison a contract is pretty weak and you know exactly where you were steering this thing.

I'm fed up with reading it dude, friend or not.

[darell1976]

darell, how f'n dumb do you think I am? I've seen this same thing for many years now and yet you think I need to hear it again?

I'm telling ya my patience is stretched real thin on these same stupid arguments over and over.

Probably time to step away from anything NDSU related cuz calling Taylor childish for not giving Faison a contract is pretty weak and you know exactly where you were steering this thing.

I'm fed up with reading it dude, friend or not.

So a Bison fan can say Faison has his head up his ass and that's okay? Whatever, fine no more NDSU talk for me but I better not see one Bison fan post on a UND thread either.

[BisonFan02]

So a Bison fan can say Faison has his head up his ass and that's okay? Whatever, fine no more NDSU talk for me but I better not see one Bison fan post on a UND thread either.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/162/593/Walk_n_Walk_out.gif?1313389270

[ursus arctos horribilis]

So a Bison fan can say Faison has his head up his ass and that's okay? Whatever, fine no more NDSU talk for me but I better not see one Bison fan post on a UND thread either.

Wow man, it's as if we haven't talked about this stuff recently

[darell1976]

All I am doing to defending my team from the Bison attack with no personal attacks to any members here and you are getting bent out of shape. C'mon man lets calm down and enjoy the holiday.

[Vitojr130]

So a Bison fan can say Faison has his head up his ass and that's okay? Whatever, fine no more NDSU talk for me but I better not see one Bison fan post on a UND thread either.

This, folks, is what the NDSU/UND rivalry is all about. It's so intense that we talk s*** about each others AD's. Then, we even get butthurt when the opposing fans post in our threads.


xlolx

This thread has been like eating at Buffalo Wild Wings: At first, it tastes amazing. Then, after a period of time, it starts to hit you in the gut. By the end, you just s*** it out in a slimy mess flinging poo everywhere. I don't know, these symptoms could just be me though. I don't handle spicy as well as I would like.

xlolx

[813Jag]

that film always make me sick to my stomach. all that had to do was tackle him and the game is over but nooooo they go for the ball.
That hurt so much, I stop the video before that point.

[813Jag]

That was embarrassing. Of course, SDSU students responded by hanging a dead coyote from it...
any pics of said billboard?

[mgbison]

From an NDSU point of view,

1. I have no problem with UND not scheduling NDSU during the transition. If I were in UND's position back then, I'd probably taken the same stance. The problem is how UND handled the not scheduling NDSU. They scheduled a press conference and Roger Thomas, Gene Robeck (sp?) acted like a bunch of three year olds. Also, they pulled out at the very last minute leaving NDSU scrambling. Hence, Gene isn't going to do UND any favors, whereas if UND's administration would have been more professional back in the early 2000's, we would probably be playing each other right now.

2. they almost agreed to terms a couple of years ago, Faison would only sign the contract if it was every year and Taylor said he'd do it if it was every other year. Niether AD would budge, but Taylor gets the blame for not signing the contract. Once again each AD is looking out for their own program and at the time UND was in the GWFC and could've used the annual game against NDSU and NDSU only wanted every other year. The funny thing is now Faison wants to play every other year and UND fans rip on Gene for not signing the contract. Why didn't Faison take the every other year deal right away?

3. Gene probably knows UND's attendance is down and if UND added a home game against NDSU it would sell out and could give UND momentum. Right now the tailgating, game day experience, etc strongly favors NDSU and I'm sure Gene would like to keep it that way.

I'm sure a UND fan views it differently, but I don't think the blame is on one AD or another. It's both AD's are concerned about their own interests and not willing to help the other one out.

[Laker]

any pics of said billboard?

The sign said, "Have an old friend for dinner." http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/event/article/id/57796/

http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/media/story/jpg/2011/10/13/coyote-jackrabbit-billboard1.jpg

[mgbison]

wording

[813Jag]

The sign said, "Have an old friend for dinner." http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/event/article/id/57796/

http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/media/story/jpg/2011/10/13/coyote-jackrabbit-billboard1.jpg
that's quite an epic fail xlolx

[Laker]

that's quite an epic fail xlolx

I can remember USD-SDSU basketball games where fans would throw dead jackrabbits and dead coyotes on the court. Augustana lost a basketball game against SDSU when they got technical fouls for doing that. SDSU put up cameras and caught around six guys from USD- showed them the video of them tossing them on the floor and threw them out.

It was a nasty rivalry and will probably be so again. UND-NDSU was down right hatred.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I can remember USD-SDSU basketball games where fans would throw dead jackrabbits and dead coyotes on the court. Augustana lost a basketball game against SDSU when they got technical fouls for doing that. SDSU put up cameras and caught around six guys from USD- showed them the video of them tossing them on the floor and threw them out.

It was a nasty rivalry and will probably be so again. UND-NDSU was down right hatred.

The SoDaks are just plain mean.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Another video from the UNI-SIU rivalry. It is always great when both teams are good, and playing each other for a reason.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggic7c9frHA

I do think some new rivalries are building. NDSU is the main one. We tend to be everyone's rival in the conference just due to the fact that we are always near the top. It was SIU that we had been fighting against for conference titles. More recently it has been NDSU and they look like they will be there for a while so a rivalry is developing. It does seem like the NDSU fans have rivalries with every team they play, and even some teams they don't play for various reasons (i.e. UND, Montana St etc.) That always makes it more fun too.

To whoever mentioned Drake for us that is wrong. Just because we have played them a lot does not make them our rival. They are not competitive when we play them. It is almost like a DII game for us. Although even the DII teams give scholarships.

[darell1976]

This, folks, is what the NDSU/UND rivalry is all about. It's so intense that we talk s*** about each others AD's. Then, we even get butthurt when the opposing fans post in our threads.


xlolx



It's not getting butthurt it's a mod who thinks the worst is going to happen but it's not even close to that. There was been no personal attacks and very mild smack towards the other schools. It's actually been a good discussion with facts from both sides. As for your second comment...mmmm Buffalo Wild Wings.

[MarkyMark]

Another video from the UNI-SIU rivalry. It is always great when both teams are good, and playing each other for a reason.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggic7c9frHA

I do think some new rivalries are building. NDSU is the main one. We tend to be everyone's rival in the conference just due to the fact that we are always near the top. It was SIU that we had been fighting against for conference titles. More recently it has been NDSU and they look like they will be there for a while so a rivalry is developing. It does seem like the NDSU fans have rivalries with every team they play, and even some teams they don't play for various reasons (i.e. UND, Montana St etc.) That always makes it more fun too.

To whoever mentioned Drake for us that is wrong. Just because we have played them a lot does not make them our rival. They are not competitive when we play them. It is almost like a DII game for us. Although even the DII teams give scholarships.

The NDSU / UNI rivalry is so very sided at this point. I get the feeling UNI fans take it as a matter of pride that they don't consider NDSU a rival. NDSU fans immediately latched onto this rivalry when we entered the Valley.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

The NDSU / UNI rivalry is so very sided at this point. I get the feeling UNI fans take it as a matter of pride that they don't consider NDSU a rival. NDSU fans immediately latched onto this rivalry when we entered the Valley.

That National Championship thing has to stick in their craw a little. Didn't you see the Go Sam Houston State thread on their message board? Good stuff.

[813Jag]

I can remember USD-SDSU basketball games where fans would throw dead jackrabbits and dead coyotes on the court. Augustana lost a basketball game against SDSU when they got technical fouls for doing that. SDSU put up cameras and caught around six guys from USD- showed them the video of them tossing them on the floor and threw them out.

It was a nasty rivalry and will probably be so again. UND-NDSU was down right hatred.
one of my favorite rival moments is Southern bringing their ROTC cannon to Jackson and shooting it every time we scored. Those folks were not happy. xlolx

[MarkyMark]

We as fans of NDSU or UND have no idea what the hold up is at this point. Faison announced that he had sent a contract to GT last year but for all we know NDSU sent it back to UND with counter conditions. Plenty of time to get this done before 2015 if this game is meant to happen.

[darell1976]

We as fans of NDSU or UND have no idea what the hold up is at this point. Faison announced that he had sent a contract to GT last year but for all we know NDSU sent it back to UND with counter conditions. Plenty of time to get this done before 2015 if this game is meant to happen.

I wonder what the amount of money was in the contract? 100k 150k or maybe less than that. I would think its enough for gas and food since its an hour trip.

[MarkyMark]

That National Championship thing has to stick in their craw a little. Didn't you see the Go Sam Houston State thread on their message board? Good stuff.

I get the feeling their fanbase has become sort of apathetic since NDSU took over the top spot in the Valley. That's my take away from reading their message board.

[carney2]

This has been discussed before, but here goes: the PL protects the Leh-Laf rivalry by making it the only fixed rivalry in the final week of the season.

We've been up and down this path so many times now that grass will never grow here again. True, the Patriot League decision makers have not done anything about establishing a "rivalry weekend" on that final Saturday of the season, but in all fairness

1. There really are no other rivalries in the Patriot League besides Lafayette-Lehigh.

and

2. It's an impossible task with an odd number of football playing members.

I disagree with your statement that the League "protects" the Pards vs. Squawks game. It is, no matter how much you dislike it, the marquis (no pun intended) PL game of each season and, after all these years, it is about as self-protecting as you can get. Still, I would love to see the Patriot League add one more football playing school to create an even number, and move toward a fixed schedule for that final week of the season.

[RichH2]

We've been up and down this path so many times now that grass will never grow here again. True, the Patriot League decision makers have not done anything about establishing a "rivalry weekend" on that final Saturday of the season, but in all fairness

1. There really are no other rivalries in the Patriot League besides Lafayette-Lehigh.

and

2. It's an impossible task with an odd number of football playing members.

I disagree with your statement that the League "protects" the Pards vs. Squawks game. It is, no matter how much you dislike it, the marquis (no pun intended) PL game of each season and, after all these years, it is about as self-protecting as you can get. Still, I would love to see the Patriot League add one more football playing school to create an even number, and move toward a fixed schedule for that final week of the season.

Yup.xthumbsupx

[DFW HOYA]

I'll put aside my complaint against Lehigh-Lafayette (after all, it's not like Georgetown-Fordham could get a deal to play in Yankee Stadium) but disagree on this point:


1. There really are no other rivalries in the Patriot League besides Lafayette-Lehigh.


Since 1934, Holy Cross and Colgate have played 74 times in the last 78 years. Scheduling this game on the same weekend as Leh/Laf does not detract from that game any more than the annual Princeton-Dartmouth game detracts from Harvard-Yale.

[32counter]

Richmond vs William&Mary since 1898.122 games played to date.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_Cup#Trophy

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Temple vs Villanova "The Mayor's Cup"
Series: 15-15-2
http://phillysportslive.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/temple.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor's_Cup_(Temple%E2%80%93Villanova)

[ngineer]

I'll put aside my complaint against Lehigh-Lafayette (after all, it's not like Georgetown-Fordham could get a deal to play in Yankee Stadium) but disagree on this point:



Since 1934, Holy Cross and Colgate have played 74 times in the last 78 years. Scheduling this game on the same weekend as Leh/Laf does not detract from that game any more than the annual Princeton-Dartmouth game detracts from Harvard-Yale.

To be a real 'rivalry' there has to be interest. How many people attend the Colgate-Holy Cross game on average? Do they look at each other with a despising eye? Merely playing each other a lot of years is only a factor. We've played Bucknell a good number of years, and while there is a healthy respect for their program and history, there has not been developed a sense of 'rivalry'. Such a rivalry is developing between Lehigh and Bucknell in basketball given the past four years. It will be interesting to see what transpires now the both schools' super stars have graduated.

[HailSzczur]

Temple vs Villanova "The Mayor's Cup"
Series: 15-15-2
http://phillysportslive.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/temple.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor's_Cup_(Temple%E2%80%93Villanova)

I'm curious, what is the general feeling from Temple fans about the series having been played afew times over the last few years? I personally am very hesitant to call it a rivalry myself

[Bisonoline]

The NDSU / UNI rivalry is so very sided at this point. I get the feeling UNI fans take it as a matter of pride that they don't consider NDSU a rival. NDSU fans immediately latched onto this rivalry when we entered the Valley.

When I was in school UNI was our second rival. UNIs coach Stan Sheriff HATED us. He broke out the window in the visitors locker room one year. Plus they were a very dirty team. A lot of cheap shots.
UND even though a hated rival all they did was talk crap.

SDSU was just another game.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I'm curious, what is the general feeling from Temple fans about the series having been played afew times over the last few years? I personally am very hesitant to call it a rivalry myself

Temple and Villanova are rivals no matter the sport. There's no doubt the Wildcats are TU's biggest foe from an Owl standpoint. Most Temple football fans know our place. Delaware is another, former, big rival.

Ranking TU's rivals...
1. Villanova
2. Penn State
3. St. Joe's
4. Rutgers
5. Duke, yes Duke...long history against them in hoops

[Bisonoline]

I wonder what the amount of money was in the contract? 100k 150k or maybe less than that. I would think its enough for gas and food since its an hour trip.

It shouldnt be for anymore than what NDSU would get if they came north.

[GoAgs72]

UC Davis 19 Cal Poly 17 2 ties
UC Davis 42 Sac State 18
Sac State is our traditional rival but rivalry with Cal Poly has been increasing

[The Maestro]

Believe there are a number of common factors in what we usually consider a truly legitimate and definitive rivalry:

1 needs to feel equally important and heated by BOTH schools, not just one and generate media attention outside of just the 2 schools

2 must be generally competitive and not one-sided domination

3 typically the animosity transcends just the annual football game itself and is a general dislike for the other institution (can be good-natured & not necessarily in bad-taste, though a little enmity certainly adds some fuel to fire)

4 needs some age & history behind it, otherwise it's just a "heated game"....also needs to be played annually

5 physical proximity helps but is not a requirement; neighboring states at the very least

6 ideally, it's the last game of year; it's difficult for me to consider tu/nova a stereotypical rivalry game when the result means nothing more than bragging rights and it's played during the first couple weeks of season with no build-up or aftermath.

7 some controversial games where someone feels they "got screwed" or memorable plays is always an ingredient, though this probably goes along with there being history to the series

what did i miss? any obvious exceptions?

[813Jag]

Believe there are a number of common factors in what we usually consider a truly legitimate and definitive rivalry:

1 needs to feel equally important and heated by BOTH schools, not just one and generate media attention outside of just the 2 schools

2 must be generally competitive and not one-sided domination

3 typically the animosity transcends just the annual football game itself and is a general dislike for the other institution (can be good-natured & not necessarily in bad-taste, though a little enmity certainly adds some fuel to fire)

4 needs some age & history behind it, otherwise it's just a "heated game"....also needs to be played annually

5 physical proximity helps but is not a requirement; neighboring states at the very least

6 ideally, it's the last game of year; it's difficult for me to consider tu/nova a stereotypical rivalry game when the result means nothing more than bragging rights and it's played during the first couple weeks of season with no build-up or aftermath.

7 some controversial games where someone feels they "got screwed" or memorable plays is always an ingredient, though this probably goes along with there being history to the series

what did i miss? any obvious exceptions?
I think we all should answer these to see where our rivalries stand. I'm gonna look at the main three for my school (Jackson St, Grambling, FAMU)
1. Grambling fits the bill on all of those points. JSU game does have a conference/regional presence FAMU games lack the media presence (a lot of people don't realize how far back we go with those snakes.
2. The Grambling and Jackson series are close (tied with Grambling, JSU we lead by one), FAMU has a 9 game lead on us
3. There is true bad blood and hatred for JSU and FAMU, the hate for Grambling is good natured (it's a family thing)
4. Saturday after Thanksgiving is reserved for Grambling, we've played Jackson every year since 1958. The FAMU series is over for now I guess but we've played thing yearly from 1946-2001. We've played them the last few years in Classics.
5. In same state as Grambling (4 hours apart), we're about 2 hours from Jackson, FAMU is farther so that one loses out.
6. Grambling gets this one last game of the year every year. Jackson State is usually the first or second weekend of October, although the game has moved up on the calendar a few times. FAMU has moved around the calendar over the years.
7. Clock Game in 1998 against JSU, 2001 Southern fumbles out of bounds clock doesn't stop we lose. 1999 Southern's coach trash talks FAMU on the internet our team gets blasted in the game. 2001 our fans rush the field in Tallahassee. Grambling up 31-10 decides to go for it on 4th and long, their star receiver drops the TD pass. We come back and win 37-31.

[carney2]

Since 1934, Holy Cross and Colgate have played 74 times in the last 78 years. Scheduling this game on the same weekend as Leh/Laf does not detract from that game any more than the annual Princeton-Dartmouth game detracts from Harvard-Yale.

Jumping on some other comments, games played does not a rivalry make. I stand by my comment that brought your response: there is only one football rivalry in the Patriot League.

[Gil Dobie]

The SoDaks are just plain mean.

I remember a SDSU game in Fargo, where a rabbit was thrown on the court.

[CrusaderBob]

Jumping on some other comments, games played does not a rivalry make. I stand by my comment that brought your response: there is only one football rivalry in the Patriot League.


True that there is only one rivalry in the PL carney, but there could be and should be others.

Having a consistent end of year game in football, and extending that to other sports where possible, is the simple no cost way for the league to not only build rivalries, but interest in the league in general. It's time the league did it.

[The Maestro]

Jumping on some other comments, games played does not a rivalry make. I stand by my comment that brought your response: there is only one football rivalry in the Patriot League.

brings up something i wonder about....how is penn/princeton not the eoy football game? you have everything there that a rivalry needs (proximity, natural competition, basketball, age, league, etc)....does princeton/dartmouth & penn/cornell really stir the juices for the alumni? i'm not an ivy guy so i don't know the history but penn/princeton seems like a natural last game of season

[GSUsTALON]

App State vs Georgia Southern. Need I say more?

There's no trophy for this game, but it is circled on each team's schedule every year. When the Eagles play at The Rock, it is called "Black Saturday." The Stink vs the Goat Humpers. It is a very lively affair.

App leads the series 14-11-1

I see AppHole posted some GSU vs App Videos so I'll post one. I know no one else cares but this is for Apphole & App Fans to help balance perspective.

GSU vs AppState 2004, GSU 54 - App 7.. I like this one. It a short 8 minutes of unstopable option glory.... ;-) See you soon AppHole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nUx5rFgzd0

[GSUsTALON]

App State in the movies! "The Longist Yard"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRYP7JYQWHE

[carney2]

True that there is only one rivalry in the PL carney, but there could be and should be others.

You are absolutely correct. It might, for a while, seem a bit contrived, but someone in Center Valley needs to wake up. As I mentioned earlier, it would be difficult with an odd number of teams, but the Patriot League is supposedly composed of schools who value intelligence and creativity so you'd think that something could be done.

There are so many other things that could be done to foster rivalries. How about a Bishop's Trophy for the Roman Catholic affiliated schools? How about a Keystone Trophy for the Pennsylvania schools? How about....? You get my drift, I hope.

[ewueagle2010]

Even though the rivalry between Montana and Montana State will always be bigger, the rivalry between EWU and Montana has become pretty legit lately. Montana fans may not agree, but in Cheney, the Griz are the most hated and looked forward to game every year. Here's a little clip of pre game atmosphere in Cheney this last year prior to the Eagle-Griz game...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azTTeYSOA8Y

[bulldog10jw]

brings up something i wonder about....how is penn/princeton not the eoy football game? you have everything there that a rivalry needs (proximity, natural competition, basketball, age, league, etc)....does princeton/dartmouth & penn/cornell really stir the juices for the alumni? i'm not an ivy guy so i don't know the history but penn/princeton seems like a natural last game of season

Princeton considers Yale their main rival. Even if Penn considers Princeton THEIR main rival, the feeling is not mutual.

As far as end of the year games go, to show the lack of a natural rivalry among the four teams you mentioned, from the mid '60's to the mid '70's the league and the four schools decided to have the two most southern teams, Penn and Princeton at home hosting the two most northern teams, Cornell and Dartmouth, and alternate the opponent each year. The way the schedule worked was, Dartmouth would close out their season in late November at Princeton one year, then open their IVY season at home in early October against Princeton the next year. Those seasons that Dartmouth played Princeton at home early, they would close out at Penn (and Cornell would close out the season at Princeton). This went on for about a dozen years until the schedules of all the Ivy schools were revised in 1976.

Hard to build an end of the year rivalry when you don't end the season against the same team each year.

[coover]

Rivalries for Cal Poly:

Football- UC Davis

Other Sports-UC Santa BarbaraWhen I was a student at Poly in the late 50s, early 60s, our biggest rival was Fresno State, and continued to be Fresno State until they left the "small schools" category and went D I. The rivalry was intense in those days.

Occasionally, students from Fresno, even during weeks that Fresno wasn't playing Poly, would drive to SLO and make there presence known by some sort of prank. For example, on a steep hillside on the east side of the Poly campus is the concrete letter "P", probably 40 feet high and 20 feet wide. Fresno students would occasionally climb that hill, a very difficult hike, and shovel dirt over a portion of the "P" to make it appear to be an "F". And they would sometimes spray red paint over various campus landmarks. Of course, Poly students would retaliate on the Fresno State campus.

But the biggest thing I remember was that NO student was ever allowed to attend any football game on campus while wearing the color red. The penalty? Violators were lifted up and passed up from the bottom of the stands to the top and then had the offending clothing removed and forced to leave the game until they were "properly" dressed. I did see several students coming down from the top of the stands after being passed up with a green and gold blanket covering their body.

Poly and Fresno State will again renew their rivalry in 2013 at Fresno State. Fresno State, of course, will be, as they should, the big favorite, but Poly may very well surprise the Bulldogs.

Davis, of course, has become Poly's football rival. The winner of the game wins the "Golden Horseshoe" trophy, and the rivalry is intense. The rivalry is such that it is very common for one team to come in as a BIG favorite and lose. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the underdog has won this game more often than the favorite.

[TheRevSFA]

I thoroughly enjoy the battle of the piney woods. SFA vs Sam is always fun to watch, and the smack talking back and forth is always lively

The battle for Chief Caddo had become very one sided lately. I think the Chief likes Nacogdoches better. It's pretty awesome to play for the biggest trophy in ncaa football

[Go Green]

brings up something i wonder about....how is penn/princeton not the eoy football game? you have everything there that a rivalry needs (proximity, natural competition, basketball, age, league, etc)....does princeton/dartmouth & penn/cornell really stir the juices for the alumni? i'm not an ivy guy so i don't know the history but penn/princeton seems like a natural last game of season

That's easy.

For some crazy reason, Penn and Princeton have never been good at the same time in football. Dartmouth-Princeton, on the other hand, have finished 1-2 in the league many times (albeit not since the mid-1990s). When Princeton is dominant, Penn usually sucks. And vice versa.

It's a great basketball rivalry. But it's still a basketball rivalry. UCLA-Arizona, Kentucky-Indiana, and Duke-UNC do not translate well to football animosity either.

[Ivytalk]

Princeton considers Yale their main rival. Even if Penn considers Princeton THEIR main rival, the feeling is not mutual.

As far as end of the year games go, to show the lack of a natural rivalry among the four teams you mentioned, from the


mid '60's to the mid '70's the league and the four schools decided to have the two most southern teams, Penn and Princeton at home hosting the two most northern teams, Cornell and Dartmouth, and alternate the opponent each year. The way the schedule worked was, Dartmouth would close out their season in late November at Princeton one year, then open their IVY season at home in early October against Princeton the next year. Those seasons that Dartmouth played Princeton at home early, they would close out at Penn (and Cornell would close out the season at Princeton). This went on for about a dozen years until the schedules of all the Ivy schools were revised in 1976.

Hard to build an end of the year rivalry when you don't end the season against the same team each year.

Harvard opened league play with Columbia when I was there, and Brown was the week before Yale. Now Brown is our first Ivy opponent, and Columbia is near the end.

[344Johnson]

It's not getting butthurt it's a mod who thinks the worst is going to happen but it's not even close to that. There was been no personal attacks and very mild smack towards the other schools. It's actually been a good discussion with facts from both sides. As for your second comment...mmmm Buffalo Wild Wings.

No. The discussion is pointless. The same info gets brought up in WAYY too many threads on AGS. Mostly the (too many) threads started by darrell, and some of the (also too many) NDSU threads. I am guilty of it as well at times. Literally every thread ends up in NDSU/UND finger pointing with the same information regarding:

A.) Why the teams should/should not play.
B.) Why the teams don't play anymore.
C.) Which school is better.

I think Ursus should just create a smack NDSU/UND thread and move all posts that are not on thread topic to it.


Believe there are a number of common factors in what we usually consider a truly legitimate and definitive rivalry:

1 needs to feel equally important and heated by BOTH schools, not just one and generate media attention outside of just the 2 schools

2 must be generally competitive and not one-sided domination

3 typically the animosity transcends just the annual football game itself and is a general dislike for the other institution (can be good-natured & not necessarily in bad-taste, though a little enmity certainly adds some fuel to fire)

4 needs some age & history behind it, otherwise it's just a "heated game"....also needs to be played annually

5 physical proximity helps but is not a requirement; neighboring states at the very least

6 ideally, it's the last game of year; it's difficult for me to consider tu/nova a stereotypical rivalry game when the result means nothing more than bragging rights and it's played during the first couple weeks of season with no build-up or aftermath.

7 some controversial games where someone feels they "got screwed" or memorable plays is always an ingredient, though this probably goes along with there being history to the series

what did i miss? any obvious exceptions?

Notre Dame/USC. Rivalry makes no sense.

[Bisonoline]

No. The discussion is pointless. The same info gets brought up in WAYY too many threads on AGS. Mostly the (too many) threads started by darrell, and some of the (also too many) NDSU threads. I am guilty of it as well at times. Literally every thread ends up in NDSU/UND finger pointing with the same information regarding:

A.) Why the teams should/should not play.
B.) Why the teams don't play anymore.
C.) Which school is better.

I think Ursus should just create a smack NDSU/UND thread and move all posts that are not on thread topic to it.



Notre Dame/USC. Rivalry makes no sense.

Thats because you havent been on this planet long enough to understand it.

[lucchesicourt]

'2 must be generally competitive and not one-sided domination'


Does this mean UCD and Sac State aren't a rivalry?

[344Johnson]

Thats because you havent been on this planet long enough to understand it.

You are obviously right as far as that goes. Went to a few of the games but I was a little kid. Should an FCS rivalry thread on AGS be dominated by an NDSU/UND pissing match? No. Our teams haven't played in 10 years. If people want to have an NDSU/UND thread talking smack, I'm all for it.

[Go Green]

Hard to build an end of the year rivalry when you don't end the season against the same team each year.

Even harder when the teams are never good at the same time.

If Penn and Princeton were competing for the title in football as often as they were in basketball, it wouldn't matter when the game was scheduled.

Honestly, "Great Moments in Penn-Princeton Football" would be one of the Ivy's shortest books.

[ngineer]

I always viewed Penn and Princeton to be 'natural' rivals due to their proximity. However, I know Princetonians have always held their noses up when Penn is mentioned as they have never seen them as an 'equal'.

[Ivytalk]

I always viewed Penn and Princeton to be 'natural' rivals due to their proximity. However, I know Princetonians have always held their noses up when Penn is mentioned as they have never seen them as an 'equal'.

Why give Penn State any recognition?xsmiley_wix

[OL FU]

Georgia Southern, Appalachian State and the Citadel all suck. The Citadel has sucked the longest:)

[CID1990]

Georgia Southern, Appalachian State and the Citadel all suck. The Citadel has sucked the longest:)

Please.

The only reason South Carolina doesn't float off into the Atlantic is because of the suction coming from Traveler's Rest.


Sent from the center of the universe.