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Lehigh Football Nation
June 6th, 2013, 12:54 PM
http://hamptonroads.com/2013/06/report-odu-expansion-delayed-few-months


ODU has sold out all 29 games played at the 76-year-old, 20,068-seat stadium and is preparing to move into Conference USA. The move will mean ODU begins playing in the Football Bowl Subdivision, the NCAA's highest classification, in 2014. Most other ODU sports teams will join Conference USA on July 1.

The stadium is sold out for the 2013 season, with the exception of student tickets and 1,000 set aside for visiting teams, even though ticket prices increased at every level.

The contract with Perkins+Will indicated that Foreman Field likely would be expanded to 33,000 or 35,000 seats.

Harnage would not say what the consultant will recommend.

ODU officials had said the school must also eventually expand the L.R. Hill Sports Complex, where the football team trains, in order to compete with other FBS programs.

"The master plan addresses all of the space needs of the campus that we know about," Harnage said.

Separately, Harnage also is studying how to comply with Conference USA regulations that will require upgrades to the visitor's locker rooms and press box at Foreman Field, at least on a temporary basis. For example, ODU must provide an instant-replay booth in the press box.

"We're going to try to do it in a way that we can meet the requirements" without spending an excessive amount of money on facilities that could be demolished when the stadium is renovated, Harnage said.

Northwestern's recent facilities upgrade (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0915-northwestern-athletics--20120915,0,5426786.story?dssReturn) might be a good comparison point:


Pending final approval Saturday from the board's educational properties committee, the school is prepared to commit between $225 million and $250 million for the project.

Sources expect the on-campus facility to be a "game-changer" for football recruiting, providing a wow factor for recruits and allowing players to practice, lift weights and meet with coaches and academic advisers without having to trudge a mile west to the Ryan Field area.

"The drawings look spectacular," one source said.

Northwestern announced its "master plan" for a massive facilities upgrade in October 2010, and athletic director Jim Phillips presented the findings of a study by sports architectural firm Populous to NU's trustees on Sept. 23, 2011.

The plan met with resistance from those concerned about the price tag and the perception attached to giving prime real estate - with views of the Chicago skyline - to athletics rather than academics.

Let's assume that it's 1/10th the cost of Northwestern's facilities upgrade. That's still potentially a $25 million dollar improvement that isn't "included" in the costs of moving up - even though it's "required" for CUSA membership.

As great as ODU has been in terms of fan support and money, is this the sort of upgrade that they can just do without batting an eyelash?

DFW HOYA
June 6th, 2013, 01:04 PM
As great as ODU has been in terms of fan support and money, is this the sort of upgrade that they can just do without batting an eyelash?

Pretty much. It's the de facto case study of what an emerging program can do. Remember, they had not played a game in Division I at this point just four years ago.

Apphole
June 6th, 2013, 01:07 PM
Glad to see you've moved on from nonsensically trolling App/the SBC exclusively.

Good to spread your disdain for the FBS around a little.

MplsBison
June 6th, 2013, 01:08 PM
http://hamptonroads.com/2013/06/report-odu-expansion-delayed-few-months



Northwestern's recent facilities upgrade (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0915-northwestern-athletics--20120915,0,5426786.story?dssReturn) might be a good comparison point:



Let's assume that it's 1/10th the cost of Northwestern's facilities upgrade. That's still potentially a $25 million dollar improvement that isn't "included" in the costs of moving up - even though it's "required" for CUSA membership.

As great as ODU has been in terms of fan support and money, is this the sort of upgrade that they can just do without batting an eyelash?

Good point.

They had better renounce CUSA membership and the FBS transition in favor of staying in the CAA and FCS level football, if they have any clue what's good for themselves.


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walliver
June 6th, 2013, 01:08 PM
The stadium is sold out for 2013.
The stadium would need to be expanded even if they were staying in FCS.
Adding needed seats also allows for increased revenue from additional tickets sold.
My general rule of thumb is that you need paid attendance of 35K or more to really compete at FBS level. I see no reason ODU cannot succeed.
I also don't consider ODU (or FAU, FIU, UNCC or Ga State) as "move ups" since they were never really established at FCS level, and probably would have started at FBS level if allowed by the NCAA.

eaglewraith
June 6th, 2013, 01:13 PM
I think they knew going into this that it was going to take some money to get up to FBS level. Having been there, it's not a bad facility for FCS but long term it was going to need a lot of work and definitely an expansion.

MplsBison
June 6th, 2013, 01:34 PM
The stadium is sold out for 2013.
The stadium would need to be expanded even if they were staying in FCS.
Adding needed seats also allows for increased revenue from additional tickets sold.
My general rule of thumb is that you need paid attendance of 35K or more to really compete at FBS level. I see no reason ODU cannot succeed.
I also don't consider ODU (or FAU, FIU, UNCC or Ga State) as "move ups" since they were never really established at FCS level, and probably would have started at FBS level if allowed by the NCAA.

This isn't hugely important nor do I want to get into an argument about it.....but for curisoity's sake: let's say NDSU wins the national championship in 2013 and then announces a move to the MAC conference by 2015. They would've only been in FCS since 2008, but would have won three national championships.

Move-up or not? And why.

bostonspider
June 6th, 2013, 01:36 PM
Interesting that you compare Foreman Field and ODU to Northwestern, as I have thought that Ryan Field showed how you could add on to Foremen

Foreman Field
http://www.odufootball.com/joomla/images/stories/the%20ted.jpg

Ryan Field
http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/Big10/Northwestern/aerial.jpg

How an expanded Foreman might look.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8006/7217553926_7dd25007fa_o.jpg

Lehigh Football Nation
June 6th, 2013, 02:32 PM
The stadium is sold out for 2013.
The stadium would need to be expanded even if they were staying in FCS.
Adding needed seats also allows for increased revenue from additional tickets sold.
My general rule of thumb is that you need paid attendance of 35K or more to really compete at FBS level. I see no reason ODU cannot succeed.
I also don't consider ODU (or FAU, FIU, UNCC or Ga State) as "move ups" since they were never really established at FCS level, and probably would have started at FBS level if allowed by the NCAA.

I agree, however you also don't hear about the need to spend (very conservatively) $25 million in facilities improvements just to get into the door of the conference. Also, had they stayed in the CAA, they wouldn't have been required by the CAA to do all of their improvements yesterday. They could have taken their time to get where they wanted to go.

I'm not saying that ODU can't be successful in FBS. But $25 million here and $25 million there, and all of a sudden, you're talking about lots of money.

walliver
June 6th, 2013, 02:54 PM
This isn't hugely important nor do I want to get into an argument about it.....but for curisoity's sake: let's say NDSU wins the national championship in 2013 and then announces a move to the MAC conference by 2015. They would've only been in FCS since 2008, but would have won three national championships.

Move-up or not? And why.

"Move Up" - reason: their intent when going FCS.

As far as I know, NDSU's move to D-I/FCS was not a transitional stepping point. At the time the move was made, NDSU's goal was FCS.

The other schools I mentioned were fairly open from the get-go that their goal was FBS. Of the 5 (ODU, FAU, FIU, UNCC, GaState), only 2 have made the FCS playoffs (ODU and FAU), and of course there are no National Championships.

Now, NDSU's goal may change. If they pursue FBS, then they would be a "move up".