NBA

[ASU_Fanatic]

are there NO fans around here? The NBA is easily my second favorite professional sport (behind the NFL). I'm a Bobcat fan which is painful but I'm excited for the future. Maybe we can talk about the NBA here.

[superman7515]

I'm a 76ers fan, but there really hasn't been anything worth talking about with them, so it's just easier to pretend they don't exist this season.

[ASU_Fanatic]

I'm a 76ers fan, but there really hasn't been anything worth talking about with them, so it's just easier to pretend they don't exist this season.

that bynum trade has to be one of the worst in nba history. meh, jrue holiday is a great young guard. gets parker or wiggins and y'all will be back on your way. but man, i loved that deal for philly at the time and it's been nothing but a disaster and that's an understatement

[bonarae]

I root for any team except the Heat and Lakers. Pride has got to do with the stars of those two teams...

[superman7515]

that bynum trade has to be one of the worst in nba history. meh, jrue holiday is a great young guard. gets parker or wiggins and y'all will be back on your way. but man, i loved that deal for philly at the time and it's been nothing but a disaster and that's an understatement

Yeah, as much as everyone in Philly b-tched about Iguodala over the years, people were dancing in the street to finally get rid of him and have an NBA talent center for only the third (maybe 4th if you include Mutombo stopping by for a cup of coffee) time in the last 40 years. Unfortunately, it didn't work out at all and we'd be better off having Money Mike Gminski back.

[TheRevSFA]

I'm a Mavs fan..let's not talk about this season

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I'm a Mavs fan..let's not talk about this season

At least you've had the title recently. I'm a Knicks fan.

[Gil Dobie]

Been a Lakers fan since the 1960's, thru the good, the bad and the ugly.

[ASUMountaineer]

I'm a Mavs fan..let's not talk about this season

Oh boohoo...I'll give you the Bobcats (Hornets) and I'll take the Mavs!

[seantaylor]

Glad to see Dirk back to his self as Mavs make a final push for the playoffs.

[I Bleed Purple]

Been a Lakers fan since the 1960's, thru the good, the bad and the ugly.

You choose the wrong teams.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Oh boohoo...I'll give you the Bobcats (Hornets) and I'll take the Mavs!

At least you might get the Hornets name back. That's a plus.

[Laker]

Been a Lakers fan since the 1960's, thru the good, the bad and the ugly.

It is too bad that A. the Laker name didn't stay in Minnesota and B. the North Star name didn't stay in Minnesota.

I'm trying to think of a lake in LA. Maybe Veronica Lake, and she's been dried up for decades.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

It is too bad that A. the Laker name didn't stay in Minnesota and B. the North Star name didn't stay in Minnesota.

I'm trying to think of a lake in LA. Maybe Veronica Lake, and she's been dried up for decades.

As long as Utah has the Jazz, nothing will ever make sense.

Kind of like the Heat moving to Minnesota.

[Laker]

As long as Utah has the Jazz, nothing will ever make sense.

Kind of like the Heat moving to Minnesota.

Agreed- that may be the most misnamed team in sports.

[I Bleed Purple]

Jazz has a history in Utah. Not as much as New Orleans, of course, but there's history there.

[Laker]

Jazz has a history in Utah. Not as much as New Orleans, of course, but there's history there.

If it was Minnesota, they would have had to change their name to the Polka. :D

[Gil Dobie]

You choose the wrong teams.

LA and Boston were both good when I was young. In 1967 I grew to hate the Boston Red Sox for beating out the Tigers. I chose the Lakers and Jerry West over Boston.

[ASU_Fanatic]

Tough loss for the Bobcats tonight but we have a bright future. Our 3 youngsters (Bizz, Kemba, MKG) all looked very promising, and that's just what I want to see.

[Gil Dobie]

It is too bad that A. the Laker name didn't stay in Minnesota and B. the North Star name didn't stay in Minnesota.

I'm trying to think of a lake in LA. Maybe Veronica Lake, and she's been dried up for decades.

Tahoe, but that's up north ;)

[Laker]

In 1967 I grew to hate the Boston Red Sox for beating out the TWINS. I chose the Lakers and Jerry West over Boston.

Fixed it for you. Two losses on Saturday and Sunday cost the Twins a World Series berth. And the Gophers lost to Nebraska that weekend too for one of their two losses that season.

I remember watching the Lakers win 33 in a row, and a championship in 1972. Of course, being a Buffalo Lake Laker might have influenced who I was pulling for.

[seantaylor]

Mavs burning it up now. Going to pass the Fake Show.

[ASU_Fanatic]

Been a Lakers fan since the 1960's, thru the good, the bad and the ugly.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjRcTiwVEwo

Lakers have been my most hated team in professional sports since this

[ASU_Fanatic]

Let's go Mavs! Would be so hilarious if the Lakers missed the playoffs.

[Twentysix]

I hate the NBA. Somehow I've seen the Pacers, the Clippers, the Timberwolves and the Grizzlies play live this year.

[ASU_Fanatic]

Playoffs tomorrow. I'm so pumped

MIA over MIL
NYK over BOS
ATL over IND
BKN over CHI

OKC over HOU
SAS over LAL
DEN over GS
LAC over MEM

MIA over BKN
NYK over ATL

OKC over LAC
DEN over SAS

MIA over NYK
OKC over DEN

MIA over OKC

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Playoffs tomorrow. I'm so pumped

MIA over MIL
NYK over BOS
ATL over IND
BKN over CHI

OKC over HOU
SAS over LAL
DEN over GS
LAC over MEM

MIA over BKN
NYK over ATL

OKC over LAC
DEN over SAS

MIA over NYK
OKC over DEN

MIA over OKC

I was with you until the Eastern Conference Finals. The Knicks have been driving Miami nuts this year. I'm seeing a gleam of hope coming through here.

[Gil Dobie]

MIA over MIL
NYK over BOS
IND over ATL
CHI over BKN

OKC over HOU
SAS over LAL
DEN over GS
MEM over LAC

[Laker]

Flip won't say anything- yet.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9214961/flip-saunders-return-minnesota-timberwolves-team-presiden

[superman7515]

76ers will announce tomorrow that they have become the 7th team to have a single franchise team in the NBDL (D League). That franchise will be competing at the Bob Carpenter Center on the University of Delaware campus.

[NHwildEcat]

I hope Miami wins so it drives all the Celtics fans mad.

[Gil Dobie]

Westbrook out indefinately, knee :(

[NoDak 4 Ever]

OK so I know it's BS to blame the refs but as Kevin Garnett gets older and slower, he sure makes up for it with a LOT of holding and shoving which goes completely uncalled.

[Nova09]

OK so I know it's BS to blame the refs but as Kevin Garnett gets older and slower, he sure makes up for it with a LOT of holding and shoving which goes completely uncalled.

AGREED! Knicks fan, so obviously biased, but he really sold that flagrant, too. It was just a good hard foul. K-mart got ball and didn't hit head, no idea how it ended up a flagrant.

While we're on the refs, I could go on and on, but I'll just say that Shump had a clear path to the basket in the past 2 games not called. In game 4, Pierce swiped his legs out intentionally in a very dangerous play, and argument could be made that some Celtic on the opposite sideline was "behind" Shump but the ref should have used his discretion to call it a clear path. Plus Pierce was dirty in how he stopped him which pisses me off more. Last night, Shump had clear path AND WAS CALLED FOR THE FOUL! His greatest skill is being taken away by the refs ineptitude. Oh, and game 4 went to OT, so arguably the FTs for clear path we could've won in regulation, and last night we lost by 6, so 2 shots plus ball (potentially 4 points) and minus the points the Celts got on the BS foul called on Shump, perhaps that game could have been tied.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

AGREED! Knicks fan, so obviously biased, but he really sold that flagrant, too. It was just a good hard foul. K-mart got ball and didn't hit head, no idea how it ended up a flagrant.

While we're on the refs, I could go on and on, but I'll just say that Shump had a clear path to the basket in the past 2 games not called. In game 4, Pierce swiped his legs out intentionally in a very dangerous play, and argument could be made that some Celtic on the opposite sideline was "behind" Shump but the ref should have used his discretion to call it a clear path. Plus Pierce was dirty in how he stopped him which pisses me off more. Last night, Shump had clear path AND WAS CALLED FOR THE FOUL! His greatest skill is being taken away by the refs ineptitude. Oh, and game 4 went to OT, so arguably the FTs for clear path we could've won in regulation, and last night we lost by 6, so 2 shots plus ball (potentially 4 points) and minus the points the Celts got on the BS foul called on Shump, perhaps that game could have been tied.

I wonder if the Knicks have won a game when Joe Crawford was working it. I was at the bar doing Pub Trivia during the game so I didn't watch it closely but JR was getting killed every time he got the ball. That hold that Garnett pulled on Melo that yanked his arm wasn't even noticed by the refs.

They needed to shoot better (both games) but the NBA appears to want Boston Strong going for a while.

[Gil Dobie]

OK so I know it's BS to blame the refs but as Kevin Garnett gets older and slower, he sure makes up for it with a LOT of holding and shoving which goes completely uncalled.

He's always done that, it's just more obvious when you get old and slow.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

http://mit.zenfs.com/207/2012/06/One-is-the-lonelist-number.-Getty-Images.jpghttp://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110628015624/icarly/images/d/d9/Umad.gif

[blueballs]

The Celtics ran out of gas last night... the loss of Rondo was really apparent.

You Knicks fans now can relate to what the Magic faithful thought from 2008-2012 with the officiating, or what Kings fans felt like in 2002, or what Mavs fans felt like in 2005, or what Jazz fans felt like in 1998, and I could go on and on.

I was a season ticket holder for the Magic from day one through the last game last year and have watched literally hundreds of games from my old perch 11 rows behind the visitors bench flanked by two former college coaches (one my uncle, now deceased) and the former SEC head of officiating directly in front of me. I saw it over and over, certain players and teams- due to their coaches and market- are officiated differently. When it is all said and done it is a business, and certain players, coaches, and teams are better for business than others.

[blueballs]

One other thing.... nobody is going to beat Miami in a 7 game series as long as James and Bosh are healthy. They are historically good right now. They have the best role players in the game, the best player, and they know how to win. Their coach is underrated too. It will be interesting to see if they can challenge the modern day playoff record of the 1983 Sixers and 2001 Lakers of only one loss in the playoffs.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

The Celtics ran out of gas last night... the loss of Rondo was really apparent.

You Knicks fans now can relate to what the Magic faithful thought from 2008-2012 with the officiating, or what Kings fans felt like in 2002, or what Mavs fans felt like in 2005, or what Jazz fans felt like in 1998, and I could go on and on.

I was a season ticket holder for the Magic from day one through the last game last year and have watched literally hundreds of games from my old perch 11 rows behind the visitors bench flanked by two former college coaches (one my uncle, now deceased) and the former SEC head of officiating directly in front of me. I saw it over and over, certain players and teams- due to their coaches and market- are officiated differently. When it is all said and done it is a business, and certain players, coaches, and teams are better for business than others.

Good thing that Hibbert won't get the Garnett calls in the next series.



One other thing.... nobody is going to beat Miami in a 7 game series as long as James and Bosh are healthy. They are historically good right now. They have the best role players in the game, the best player, and they know how to win. Their coach is underrated too. It will be interesting to see if they can challenge the modern day playoff record of the 1983 Sixers and 2001 Lakers of only one loss in the playoffs.

If it's Knicks/Heat I will go into the ECF with a lot of confidence. The Heat had the worst time beating the Knicks this year so I will have to see it to believe it.

[bonarae]

One other thing.... nobody is going to beat Miami in a 7 game series as long as James and Bosh are healthy. They are historically good right now. They have the best role players in the game, the best player, and they know how to win. Their coach is underrated too. It will be interesting to see if they can challenge the modern day playoff record of the 1983 Sixers and 2001 Lakers of only one loss in the playoffs.

Agreed. The modern day playoff record can be attained by them, provided that they will be consistent each game.

[seantaylor]

I think Memphis has a real shot to beat the Heat. Their big guys will abuse Bosh and co, and they have some legitimate lock down perimeter defenders. Only team with any shot.

[bonarae]

I think Memphis has a real shot to beat the Heat. Their big guys will abuse Bosh and co, and they have some legitimate lock down perimeter defenders. Only team with any shot.

Somewhat true, but they have been inconsistent at times...

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Good thing that Hibbert won't get the Garnett calls in the next series.


Turns out I was wrong.

[bonarae]

The Bulls denied the Heat to chase the elusive near-perfect playoff record (one loss in the entire playoffs). The Bulls have had faced adversity throughout the regular season through D-Rose's injury, and now without another two of their stars (Hinrich and Deng), they have defied odds.

[bodoyle]

As a Bulls fan, I expected us to win 1 game - at home - last night shocked me. I still think the Bulls will lose, but probably in 6 games now. I was thinking last night during the end of the game that maybe Thibs doesn't want Rose to come back this year and mess up the roles that he has everyone in right now - I know that sounds crazy/stupid, but the last handful of games they have busted their humps and I wouldn't want to mess with it.

[ASUMountaineer]

As a Bulls fan, I expected us to win 1 game - at home - last night shocked me. I still think the Bulls will lose, but probably in 6 games now. I was thinking last night during the end of the game that maybe Thibs doesn't want Rose to come back this year and mess up the roles that he has everyone in right now - I know that sounds crazy/stupid, but the last handful of games they have busted their humps and I wouldn't want to mess with it.

It doesn't sound stupid at all. Rose will undoubtedly be rusty, and throwing him in now could really mess with the chemistry. Chicago needs to announce that he's done for the rest of the season so the distraction is gone...and Rose needs to quit dunking during pregame warmups.

[bodoyle]

I've said this elsewhere, but not on here - I don't think.

Rose was supposed to miss the entire season, and I think everyone anticipated that and didn't expect him to play (me included) all year. Once he was cleared by a Dr. in February and it is now May, and he still isn't playing - that's where I have a problem. Most of us have played sports and had injuries. The last step you have to overcome is the mental one. I never tore an ACL but I had my fair share of broken ankles and the last hurdle I had to overcome was going in the paint and getting rebounds w/o thinking about snapping my ankle. The only way to do that is to get out there and play - against another team...not just practice against your teammates.

[Gil Dobie]

IMO, team coming of a game 7 has an advantage in game 1 of the next series over a team that swept.

[bodoyle]

Normally, I would agree, but since the Bulls bench is now their starters and the current bench has the likes of Vlad Radmanovic, Marquis Teague and Rip Hamilton, I was really surprised.

[bonarae]

I think Memphis has a real shot to beat the Heat. Their big guys will abuse Bosh and co, and they have some legitimate lock down perimeter defenders. Only team with any shot.

Follow-up post: Yes, indeed. Memphis is in the West Finals now. But what about the Spurs/Warriors? The Spurs' weakness is their star players' age, and they may be worn out thoroughly by the time they face the Grizzlies. (Remember that the Spurs lead 3-2, partly because Curry has slowed down due to an ankle injury.)

[blueballs]

Follow-up post: Yes, indeed. Memphis is in the West Finals now. But what about the Spurs/Warriors? The Spurs' weakness is their star players' age, and they may be worn out thoroughly by the time they face the Grizzlies. (Remember that the Spurs lead 3-2, partly because Curry has slowed down due to an ankle injury.)

Maybe, but Miami is better at every position except starting C and starting PG (although I really like Randolph's game), and Norris Cole's play against the Bulls really narrows the PG gap. Miami v. Indianal part 2 will be interesting... Indianal has improved from last year but so has Miami. In fact, Indianal and Memphis are kinda' similar. I still think Miami is a prohibitive favorite and won't lose more then 2 games in any series.

[seantaylor]

Memphis is a lot deeper than Miami. Tony Allen will give Lebron some trouble. I think the Grizz win it all barring injuries.

[bonarae]

Memphis is a lot deeper than Miami. Tony Allen will give Lebron some trouble. I think the Grizz win it all barring injuries.

The Miami "dynasty" needs to fail at some point. Their players (especially LeBron) are way too outspoken and proud.

[blueballs]

Memphis is a lot deeper than Miami. Tony Allen will give Lebron some trouble. I think the Grizz win it all barring injuries.

You sure about that? Battier, Allen, Anderson, and Cole could all (en masse) start for about half of the teams in the league, then you have Skinny Miller too, who when healthy is darned good. Miami is thin at the 5 hole, and that will be their biggest weakness against Memphis.

Miami will double the post hard and Memphis had better make their outside shots or else they will be in big trouble, because long misses lead to long rebounds and fast breaks and if Miami can run they not only won't lose it but it won't be close.

[Laker]

I want anyone left but the Heat.........xbangx

[Gil Dobie]

Maybe, but Miami is better at every position except starting C and starting PG (although I really like Randolph's game), and Norris Cole's play against the Bulls really narrows the PG gap. Miami v. Indianal part 2 will be interesting... Indianal has improved from last year but so has Miami. In fact, Indianal and Memphis are kinda' similar. I still think Miami is a prohibitive favorite and won't lose more then 2 games in any series.

Memphis plays to Miami's weakness down low, but if Miami is hot from long range, it won't help. Indianalized is more balanced all around and has the best chance to win more that 2 against the Heat.

[seantaylor]

You sure about that? Battier, Allen, Anderson, and Cole could all (en masse) start for about half of the teams in the league, then you have Skinny Miller too, who when healthy is darned good. Miami is thin at the 5 hole, and that will be their biggest weakness against Memphis.

Miami will double the post hard and Memphis had better make their outside shots or else they will be in big trouble, because long misses lead to long rebounds and fast breaks and if Miami can run they not only won't lose it but it won't be close.

Battier, Allen, and Anderson are all system players at this point in their careers. Memphis is a lot younger as well. Bayless probably the best backup point in the league in terms of scoring. Ed Davis, Pondexter, and Arthur all young guys with elite athleticism. Keyon Dooling a younger version of this year's Ray Allen.

[bonarae]

Do you think there will be a Game 7 between the Knicks and the Pacers? xchinscratchx

[Laker]

Do you think there will be a Game 7 between the Knicks and the Pacers? xchinscratchx

I read on ESPN that George Hill has been cleared to play for the Pacers. I'll pick them to win game 6.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9289075/2013-nba-playoffs-george-hill-indiana-pacers-cleared-play-game-6-vs-new-york-knicks

[bonarae]

I read on ESPN that George Hill has been cleared to play for the Pacers. I'll pick them to win game 6.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9289075/2013-nba-playoffs-george-hill-indiana-pacers-cleared-play-game-6-vs-new-york-knicks

Me too. Hill's absence was the factor that the Pacers lost Game 5. The Knicks should run out of gas in Game 6.

[bonarae]

Is Miami way too talented for the Pacers to handle? Or will the series go all the way to 7 games?

Will a young Grizzlies core survive the experienced Spurs core?

[seantaylor]

Pacers have the size, but their big guys aren't physical like Memphis to really take advantage of the Heat's lack of size. Heat in 5.

Grizzlies over SA in 6.

[ASU_Fanatic]

I was picking Grizzlies in 7 and Heat in 5 but the Grizzlies really **** the bed in game 1. However Zbo won't have a game that bad the rest of his life so if Memphis can win game 2 they're still in good shape to take the series. The Spurs just play suffocating D, they frustrated Curry to death nearing the end of the western conference semi-finals. It was beautiful. I unfortunately don't think the Pacers have much of a shot against Miami, the big advantage they have is inside with West and especially Hibbert. But Bosh is a stretch big so he may be able to bring Hibbert away from the rim some, but he dominated against NYK and always elevates his play in the playoffs. Also Paul George is one of the 5 best SF in the NBA, so they have a guy who can at least challenge and test LeBron. I'm still predicting a Memphis-Heat finals which Miami would take in 6. Miami's big weakness are tough, physical teams and that's what Memphis is. Miami is weak in the paint and ZBo and Marc Gasol would give them fits, and Mike Conley has been a stud in the playoffs. It would be amazing to see Memphis win it, and I think they can make Miami sweat but LeBron and Wade are too good. Can't wait for the action to continue though.

Also.... THE CHARLOTTE HORNETS ARE BACK.!

[ASU_Fanatic]

Oh and NBA Draft Lottery tomorrow!.....

Despite it looking like a terrible draft who's everyone's favorite prospects?

For Hornets

Do want - Nerlens Noel, Ben McLemore, Alex Len, Gorgui Dieng, Steven Adams, Anthony Bennett

Don't want - Trey Burke, Mason Plumlee, Cody Zeller

[seantaylor]

Would want Zeller, Olidupu, Plumlee, Burke, Adams, Len

Wouldn't want McLemore, Noel, Muhammed, Withey

[ASU_Fanatic]

I also like Oladipo a lot. He has Westbrook-like athleticism

I think Noel can be the next Mutombo

[ASUMountaineer]

I also like Oladipo a lot. He has Westbrook-like athleticism

I think Noel can be the next Mutombo

It's a tough draft for the Hornets (so excited to say that), so I'm not sure what they'll do. We have been in search of a true big man since the franchise came back and have never had it--outside of Tyson Chandler. Hopefully, they make the right choice. I get why people like Burke because he's a true PG, but Kemba won't flourish at the 2, so I don't see Burke being the pick. I wouldn't mind Noel, but his injury worries me. McLemore seems ok, but I think I like Oladipo. I think he was built for the NBA game and will really help the Hornets. Of course, we still need a big man...

[Laker]

Jordan may announce name change of Bobcats to Hornets today.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/charlotte-bobcats-owner-michael-jordan-changing-team-name-to-hornets-052013?ocid=ansfox11

[ASU_Fanatic]

Jordan may announce name change of Bobcats to Hornets today.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/charlotte-bobcats-owner-michael-jordan-changing-team-name-to-hornets-052013?ocid=ansfox11
No "may" to it.

[Gil Dobie]

I also like Oladipo a lot. He has Westbrook-like athleticism

I think Noel can be the next Mutombo

Projected to the Timberwolves in several mock drafts. With David Kahn (David Sterns Bozo) gone, there's a chance of a good draft for them.

[seantaylor]

Noel doesn't have anywhere near Mutombo's size.

[Gil Dobie]

Timberwolves get lucky and don't move down in the draft.

[ASU_Fanatic]

Even though I was rooting for the Pacers, last night is why we love sports. What a game, Paul George became a true star right before our eyes. But why in the hell was Hibbert not in? If he's in there's no chance LeBron has that easy of a lay-up to win it. Makes no sense, they knew LeBron was gonna try to get to the rim. PG jumped too early then LeBron just had an easy lay-up. Bummer for the Pacers.... hopefully they can take game 2. Lets hope the series stays this great.

[ASU_Fanatic]

Also, when I say "true star" I think he moves into my tier 1. This is how I see it:

Super Stars
LeBron
Kevin Durant

Tier 1 stars
Carmelo
James Harden
Stephen Curry
Dwayne Wade
Kobe Bryant
Dwight Howard
Kevin Love
Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook
Derrick Rose
Paul George
Kyrie Irving

Tier 2 Stars
Deron Williams
Andre Igoudala
Tim Duncan
Tony Parker
Rajon Rondo
Paul Pierce
Dirk Nowitzki
Blake Griffin
DeMarcus Cousins
Marc Gasol
Zach Randolph

I'm sure I'm missing a few names, but I think PG joined a very elite group last night.

[NHwildEcat]

Is this thing still going on? I thought the Heat won it all already.

[ASU_Fanatic]

Is this thing still going on? I thought the Heat won it all already.

The conference finals just started. LeBron beat the Pacers in game 1 in OT at the buzzer by one point.

[NHwildEcat]

The conference finals just started. LeBron beat the Pacers in game 1 in OT at the buzzer by one point.

Good! I wish him well.

[Laker]

The conference finals just started. LeBron beat the Pacers in game 1 in OT at the buzzer by one point.

I don't know why the Pacers made that substitution to cover Chris Bosh on the outside and let LeBron drive for a layup on a sideline inbounds pass with two seconds left on the clock. The Pacers had their chance to take game one.

[bonarae]

Even though I was rooting for the Pacers, last night is why we love sports. What a game, Paul George became a true star right before our eyes. But why in the hell was Hibbert not in? If he's in there's no chance LeBron has that easy of a lay-up to win it. Makes no sense, they knew LeBron was gonna try to get to the rim. PG jumped too early then LeBron just had an easy lay-up. Bummer for the Pacers.... hopefully they can take game 2. Lets hope the series stays this great.

Wow. I saw the first half on TV, but it went down to the wire in the second.


Also, when I say "true star" I think he moves into my tier 1. This is how I see it:

Super Stars
LeBron
Kevin Durant

Tier 1 stars
Carmelo
James Harden
Stephen Curry
Dwayne Wade
Kobe Bryant
Dwight Howard
Kevin Love
Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook
Derrick Rose
Paul George
Kyrie Irving

Tier 2 Stars
Deron Williams
Andre Igoudala
Tim Duncan
Tony Parker
Rajon Rondo
Paul Pierce
Dirk Nowitzki
Blake Griffin
DeMarcus Cousins
Marc Gasol
Zach Randolph

I'm sure I'm missing a few names, but I think PG joined a very elite group last night.

Agree with this list. Can't think of any other Tier 2's to add.


I don't know why the Pacers made that substitution to cover Chris Bosh on the outside and let LeBron drive for a layup on a sideline inbounds pass with two seconds left on the clock. The Pacers had their chance to take game one.

The question: Did the Pacers choke in Game 1? xchinscratchx Is it really Vogel's fault?

[ASU_Fanatic]

Wow. I saw the first half on TV, but it went down to the wire in the second.



Agree with this list. Can't think of any other Tier 2's to add.



The question: Did the Pacers choke in Game 1? xchinscratchx Is it really Vogel's fault?

I was thinking John Wall possibly. And it wasnt a choke, they played a hell of a game. But Vogel's decision made no sense. Miami's last two baskets were LeBron layups. Hibbert wasn't in during either play. Shouldn't he have learned after it happened once?

[Laker]

I was thinking John Wall possibly. And it wasnt a choke, they played a hell of a game. But Vogel's decision made no sense. Miami's last two baskets were LeBron layups. Hibbert wasn't in during either play. Shouldn't he have learned after it happened once?

Totally agree with this post!

[Gil Dobie]

George made a mistake on defense. Sure Hibbert should have been in too, but Indiana will have to take the next game.

[NHwildEcat]

Miami in 4, you can't stop the GOAT , the King, LeBron!

[Gil Dobie]

Miami in 4, you can't stop the GOAT , the King, LeBron!

2nd best player in the NBA today ;)

[NHwildEcat]

2nd best player in the NBA today ;)

Noah?

[Gil Dobie]

Noah?

Durant

[NHwildEcat]

Durant

I kid. And I do love Durant more than LeBron, but he isn't better. James is most likely going to win again this year, and I don't see anyone stopping them in the next 5 years really.

OKC is starting to seem more like the modern day version of the 90's Magic.

[Gil Dobie]

I kid. And I do love Durant more than LeBron, but he isn't better. James is most likely going to win again this year, and I don't see anyone stopping them in the next 5 years really.

OKC is starting to seem more like the modern day version of the 90's Magic.

I still like Durant and the way he plays. Lebron uses a lot of muscle and gets a lot of calls. Last night he took 2 steps before the ball hit the floor for his dribble, on the final layup. That is tough to defend, even though George followed him too close.

[NHwildEcat]

I still like Durant and the way he plays. Lebron uses a lot of muscle and gets a lot of calls. Last night he took 2 steps before the ball hit the floor for his dribble, on the final layup. That is tough to defend, even though George followed him too close.

That's the NBA though...always has been a star run league with questionable officiating and a complete lack of pace during the games. That's why I have up on it.

[Gil Dobie]

That's the NBA though...always has been a star run league with questionable officiating and a complete lack of pace during the games. That's why I have up on it.

It wasn't so bad prior to David Stern & Jordan. Robert Parrish did have an issue with taking several extra steps back in the day. :)

[NoDak 4 Ever]

George made a mistake on defense. Sure Hibbert should have been in too, but Indiana will have to take the next game.

Hibbert is enormous. If he was standing on that side it would have forced Lebron into the jumper.

[NHwildEcat]

It wasn't so bad prior to David Stern & Jordan. Robert Parrish did have an issue with taking several extra steps back in the day. :)

Robert Parrish had a lot of issues...mostly off the court though!

[ASU_Fanatic]

Wait, who said Durant is better than LeBron? LeBron is easily better. LeBron will end up being the GOAT.

[NHwildEcat]

Wait, who said Durant is better than LeBron? LeBron is easily better. LeBron will end up being the GOAT.

Truthfully, LeBron will never match Jordan. The NBA was at it's best when Jordan was at his best.

[ASUMountaineer]

Wait, who said Durant is better than LeBron? LeBron is easily better. LeBron will end up being the GOAT.

LBJ will go down as one of the greats, but he will not go down as the GOAT.

[Gil Dobie]

Wait, who said Durant is better than LeBron? LeBron is easily better. LeBron will end up being the GOAT.

I did :)

Durant is better, Lebron gets a pass on what he does by Stern and the NBA. Watch the last layup against Indy, James gets the ball and his foot is over the 3pt circle, his only dribble bounces at the Free Throw line, and then he lays it in. The Lebron 2-step, brought to you by David Stern. Don't get me wrong, I think Lebron is a great player, but once a player becomes the darling of ESPN and David Stern, they are projected as GOAT over and over until people actually believe it to be true.

[ASUMountaineer]

Am I the only one that hates the "jump stop?" xlolx

[Gil Dobie]

Am I the only one that hates the "jump stop?" xlolx

Set-shot Mountaineer ;)

[blueballs]

I've been watching hoops since the late 60's and I would take Kareem over either Jordan or Lebron, but that's just my opinion.

[ASUMountaineer]

I've been watching hoops since the late 60's and I would take Kareem over either Jordan or Lebron, but that's just my opinion.

It is tough. Kareem couldn't dribble the ball up the court, take guys off the dribble, or have the range of Jordan/LBJ. However, neither LBJ or Jordan had Kareem's move in the post (nor invent the "Sky Hook"). Centers are hard to call the GOAT because they only do one thing, and are reliant on assists for a lot of their points. With that said, Kareem, in my mind, is one of the greatest but falls just short of being the GOAT.

[ASUMountaineer]

Set-shot Mountaineer ;)

Why I oughta...xlolx

[Gil Dobie]

I've been watching hoops since the late 60's and I would take Kareem over either Jordan or Lebron, but that's just my opinion.

Jordan nor Lebron could learn 7'2". A lot of people remember Kareem with the 1980's Lakers when he was on the downside of his Career. Jabbar won his 6th MVP at age 32, Magic Johnson's rookie year. He took the Bucks from 27 wins to 56 in his first year, losing to the Knicks, with 4 all-stars, in the conference finals. Winning it all the next year with the addition of an aging Oscar Robertson. Lebron took Cleveland from 17 wins to 35 wins his first season. Winning it all in Miami with 2 other NBA stars on the team. Add 4 more years that Kareem spent in college to his point total, and his scoring record would be unreachable. Kareem's freshman team at UCLA beat the #1 rank Varsity team in a scrimmage, and beat them bad.

[ASU_Fanatic]

I did :)

Durant is better, Lebron gets a pass on what he does by Stern and the NBA. Watch the last layup against Indy, James gets the ball and his foot is over the 3pt circle, his only dribble bounces at the Free Throw line, and then he lays it in. The Lebron 2-step, brought to you by David Stern. Don't get me wrong, I think Lebron is a great player, but once a player becomes the darling of ESPN and David Stern, they are projected as GOAT over and over until people actually believe it to be true.

Durant is a hell of a player, but LeBron has been considerably better this season. LeBron is a better Magic Johnson, that's the best comparison I can come up with for him. LeBron is simply a bull, when he drives to the rim he's close to impossible to stop. If he doesn't make the layup he'll probably get fouled. He's also a great passer and rebounder, I've said for years he's the best PG in the NBA. As far as a shooter goes I'll take Durant, LeBron is a streaky shooter. However KD simply isn't as athletic and can't physically dominate like LBJ can.

LBJ will end up being better than Jordan, if he gets 4-6 titles which there's no reason why he shouldn't he should go down as the GOAT. Saying LeBron isn't clutch is the biggest myth in sports, the past 10 years LeBron has shot an NBA best 44% in the final 24 seconds. League average is 27.8%.

[ASU_Fanatic]

Pumped for Game 2. Honestly I see the Heat winning this one 90-80, relatively easy. I think the Heat will build a comfortable lead early on then survive a late Indiana run. Pulling for the Pacers though.

[bonarae]

Pumped for Game 2. Honestly I see the Heat winning this one 90-80, relatively easy. I think the Heat will build a comfortable lead early on then survive a late Indiana run. Pulling for the Pacers though.

Pacers lead by 6 at the half. Miami got into foul trouble early on. Heat briefly had runs but Pacers were able to recover.

[Laker]

Pacers win 97-93, series tied 1-1.

[ASU_Fanatic]

2 awesome games so far, Indiana had to win this one to have a chance. Winning in Indiana has been tough in the playoffs so far, but I still think Indiana would have to find a way to win both at home for a shot at winning the series.

Oh, Frank Vogel, think having Hibbert in makes a bit of a difference?

[Gil Dobie]

LeBron is simply a bull, when he drives to the rim he's close to impossible to stop. If he doesn't make the layup he'll probably get fouled.

If he doesn't make it they call a foul whether he was fouled or not. Refs tried to help Baby Bron tonight with the T's, but like Brian Shaw said, the Ball Doesn't Lie, when Allen missed the T Shots. Lebron threw away 2 passes in the 4th tonight, in crunch time, Magic would not have done that. Jordan would have taken the shot and made it, instead of forcing a pass. Lebron is a bigger, stronger Kobe. He may be as good as Kobe by the time he's done.

[bonarae]

2 awesome games so far, Indiana had to win this one to have a chance. Winning in Indiana has been tough in the playoffs so far, but I still think Indiana would have to find a way to win both at home for a shot at winning the series.

Oh, Frank Vogel, think having Hibbert in makes a bit of a difference?

Yes, they still have to find ways to win at home. Miami, especially with all of the Big Three on the floor, can be dangerous.

And having Hibbert in at the end of the game makes a difference, indeed.

[Laker]

Oh, Frank Vogel, think having Hibbert in makes a bit of a difference?


And having Hibbert in at the end of the game makes a difference, indeed.

I agree- at least Vogel learned his lesson- at a huge cost- but at least it is 1-1 now. One thing that I learned playing and coaching- don't let the other team's superstar beat you, make the role player beat you. And play your best players rather than have them watch.

[BluBengal07]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2013/05/tony-allen.gif



http://www.ksat.com/sports/grizzlies-tony-allen-fined-5000-for-flopping-in-game-2/-/478218/20296392/-/exf672/-/index.html
Grizzlies Tony Allen fined $5,000 for flopping in Game 2
Published On: May 24 2013 04:15:20 PM CDT Updated On: May 24 2013 04:10:25 PM CDT

The NBA fined Tony Allen of the Memphis Grizzlies $5,000 for his flop in Game 2 in the Western Conference Finals against the San Antonio Spurs.
Allen was going up for a lay up late in the fourth quarter, when Spurs guard Manu Ginobili grabbed his arm and pulled him to the floor. Allen broke his fall, but he held his head with both hands for at least a minute.
The referees called a Flagrant 1 foul and awarded Allen two free throws, which he made and the Grizzlies got the ball back. Memphis guard Mike Conley then tied the game on the next possession.
The game eventually went to overtime, which the Spurs won 93-89 to take a 2-0 series lead.
Question now is, will the NBA rescind the flagrant foul the refs assessed to Ginobili?

[bonarae]

Memphis wasted a long-wanted upset chance in the second quarter. xsmhx

[Laker]

I'm watching an ESPN piece about how people are over hating the Heat and their arrogance. I guess that they didn't ask me. I actually wanted them to win their first title with D Wade. But not after that. I'd rather have Indiana win it all. But I've always been a fan of the underdog.

[clenz]

I was a huge Wade fan when he was in college and early years in Miami. LBJ and Bosh ruined that completely.

Wade had taken on their prima Donna bitch attitude and I can't stand it

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[bonarae]

I was a huge Wade fan when he was in college and early years in Miami. LBJ and Bosh ruined that completely.

Wade had taken on their prima Donna bitch attitude and I can't stand it

I believe that LeBron, while he was in Cleveland, started that attitude...

[bonarae]

Meanwhile, Indiana was blown away by the Heat. xbawlingx

[Laker]

Meanwhile, Indiana was blown away by the Heat. xbawlingx

I can honestly say that I didn't watch one minute of the game, which is very lucky for me!

[bonarae]

Memphis suddenly ran out of gas.... xnonono2x Spurs swept them. xbawlingx

[seantaylor]

Can't believe Memphis went out like that.

[BluBengal07]

!GO SPURS GO!

[ASUMountaineer]

Durant is a hell of a player, but LeBron has been considerably better this season. LeBron is a better Magic Johnson, that's the best comparison I can come up with for him. LeBron is simply a bull, when he drives to the rim he's close to impossible to stop. If he doesn't make the layup he'll probably get fouled. He's also a great passer and rebounder, I've said for years he's the best PG in the NBA. As far as a shooter goes I'll take Durant, LeBron is a streaky shooter. However KD simply isn't as athletic and can't physically dominate like LBJ can.

LBJ will end up being better than Jordan, if he gets 4-6 titles which there's no reason why he shouldn't he should go down as the GOAT. Saying LeBron isn't clutch is the biggest myth in sports, the past 10 years LeBron has shot an NBA best 44% in the final 24 seconds. League average is 27.8%.

I think this will be the case if he wins one or more without DWade. The problem with LBJ is that it seems he couldn't win a title on his own, so he went to Miami to join two other stars to do so. Perception is reality. Now, if he wins more than 6 titles...then, I think he certainly will be viewed by many that way. LBJ certainly has the opportunity, but that's a huge mountain to climb.

[blueballs]

How about that clinic Tony Parker put on last night? That was fun to watch.

[clenz]

He may be the most under rate point guard of all time

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

I think this will be the case if he wins one or more without DWade. The problem with LBJ is that it seems he couldn't win a title on his own, so he went to Miami to join two other stars to do so. Perception is reality. Now, if he wins more than 6 titles...then, I think he certainly will be viewed by many that way. LBJ certainly has the opportunity, but that's a huge mountain to climb.

This. If he'd stayed in Cleveland and lifted the other players, much like Jordan, he could get in there. Now he's just a better Kobe Bryant.

[bluehenbillk]

Great game last night, Hibbert was clutch in the 4th quarter.

[bonarae]

I think this will be the case if he wins one or more without DWade. The problem with LBJ is that it seems he couldn't win a title on his own, so he went to Miami to join two other stars to do so. Perception is reality. Now, if he wins more than 6 titles...then, I think he certainly will be viewed by many that way. LBJ certainly has the opportunity, but that's a huge mountain to climb.

Which will matter more when he eventually gets inducted in Springfield? His attitude or his performance? The latter, of course, but the former may matter too... (see Pete Rose, his off-field attitude [i.e. gambling involvement] won't put him in Cooperstown, despite his stellar performance while active.)


This. If he'd stayed in Cleveland and lifted the other players, much like Jordan, he could get in there. Now he's just a better Kobe Bryant.

Yes, Kobe has grown older and his supporting cast had always changed the past few years, that's why he couldn't return to his glory days anymore.

[Gil Dobie]

Glad I missied Sunday's game, on the road till 11pm. Last night was better. Announcers couldn't believe Lebron fouled out after stepping on Stephenson's foot. I couldn't believe they actually called a foul a foul.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Glad I missied Sunday's game, on the road till 11pm. Last night was better. Announcers couldn't believe Lebron fouled out after stepping on Stephenson's foot. I couldn't believe they actually called a foul a foul.

The apoplexy with which that call is being met is quite hilarious. Even if you are a super duper Heat fan, you have to say "well, it was a foul, I guess" Glad to see even King James is not above that treatment.

[PaladinFan]

Hawks just agreed to make long time Spurs assistant Budenholzer their new head coach.

Looks like the Hawks are taking a page from the Falcons - go find the best franchise, hire the best available player development guy they've got.

Atlanta has only three players under contract for next season, now with a GM that has a clue and a bucket of money to spend, it's the first time I've been excited about a Hawks offseason in some time.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Hawks just agreed to make long time Spurs assistant Budenholzer their new head coach.

Looks like the Hawks are taking a page from the Falcons - go find the best franchise, hire the best available player development guy they've got.

Atlanta has only three players under contract for next season, now with a GM that has a clue and a bucket of money to spend, it's the first time I've been excited about a Hawks offseason in some time.

Too bad, I was hoping Patrick Ewing would get the Atlanta job. He always did his best work there.

http://i.imgur.com/2AYng.jpg

[blueballs]

The apoplexy with which that call is being met is quite hilarious. Even if you are a super duper Heat fan, you have to say "well, it was a foul, I guess" Glad to see even King James is not above that treatment.

The moving screen call that fouled him out was exactly the right call.

Indiana beat Miami on the boards by 19, Miami is lucky that the game was close.

[BluBengal07]

Hawks just agreed to make long time Spurs assistant Budenholzer their new head coach.

Looks like the Hawks are taking a page from the Falcons - go find the best franchise, hire the best available player development guy they've got.

Atlanta has only three players under contract for next season, now with a GM that has a clue and a bucket of money to spend, it's the first time I've been excited about a Hawks offseason in some time.


congrats Hawks!
http://www.ksat.com/news/spurs-assistant-mike-budenholzer-tabbed-as-hawks-new-head-coach/-/478452/20335824/-/gvvl6m/-/index.html

[PaladinFan]

Too bad, I was hoping Patrick Ewing would get the Atlanta job. He always did his best work there.

http://i.imgur.com/2AYng.jpg

I'm in the "anything Danny Ferry does is gold" camp at the moment. Anyone that can move Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams in the same offseason is a borderline wizard.

[ASUMountaineer]

Too bad, I was hoping Patrick Ewing would get the Atlanta job. He always did his best work there.

I've heard Ewing is heading to Charlotte, but I'm not sure it's legit news.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I've heard Ewing is heading to Charlotte, but I'm not sure it's legit news.

Joking aside, I hope he can swallow his pride and get back. I'm sure he felt a little rejected last year in Charlotte.

[ASUMountaineer]

Joking aside, I hope he can swallow his pride and get back. I'm sure he felt a little rejected last year in Charlotte.

So did the fanbase when they announced Dunlap.

[seantaylor]

Hawks just agreed to make long time Spurs assistant Budenholzer their new head coach.

Looks like the Hawks are taking a page from the Falcons - go find the best franchise, hire the best available player development guy they've got.

Atlanta has only three players under contract for next season, now with a GM that has a clue and a bucket of money to spend, it's the first time I've been excited about a Hawks offseason in some time.

Nobody wants to play in Atlanta, though. Going up against Cuban in the FA season. Good luck with that.

[ASU_Fanatic]

Nobody wants to play in Atlanta, though. Going up against Cuban in the FA season. Good luck with that.

Lol truuuuuu

Wonder what happens with J Smoove

[ASU_Fanatic]

Bobcats, Cavs, Mavs interested in Cousins

I'd be thrilled if Charlotte could land him. Big men as talented as him are so rare

[ASU_Fanatic]

Oh damn, game 7 tomorrow. Predictions? Can't see Miami (LeBron) losing this one but I also don't think they beat the Spurs unless Bosh and especially Wade snaps out of it. Bosh has been terrible but I don't think it's completely his fault, he's facing the worst matchup of his life and hasn't had one play ran for him this entire series. Spo's an awful coach and Bosh has been relegated to scrub duty by hovering around the three-point line and waiting for a bailout pass. There's been no effort to utilize him in the pick and roll or try to use him to drag Hibbert away from the post like the Heat did to the Bulls and Noah (leaving Boozer to get lit up by everyone).

[ASUMountaineer]

Oh damn, game 7 tomorrow. Predictions? Can't see Miami (LeBron) losing this one but I also don't think they beat the Spurs unless Bosh and especially Wade snaps out of it. Bosh has been terrible but I don't think it's completely his fault, he's facing the worst matchup of his life and hasn't had one play ran for him this entire series. Spo's an awful coach and Bosh has been relegated to scrub duty by hovering around the three-point line and waiting for a bailout pass. There's been no effort to utilize him in the pick and roll or try to use him to drag Hibbert away from the post like the Heat did to the Bulls and Noah (leaving Boozer to get lit up by everyone).

I think that you have to bet on Miami. Stern does not want his last Finals to be Indiana-San Antonio. ;)

Bosh has been proven to be soft. He's gone up against excellent competition and has buckled under it. How big are Indiana's poor substitutions in game 1, now?

[bonarae]

I think that you have to bet on Miami. Stern does not want his last Finals to be Indiana-San Antonio. ;)

Bosh has been proven to be soft. He's gone up against excellent competition and has buckled under it. How big are Indiana's poor substitutions in game 1, now?

The bolded text: if this would happen, automatic low ratings for the entire series will be assumed? xchinscratchx
The italicized text: Still much of a factor. Take note: odd numbers - Miami, even numbers - Indiana. Coincidence much? It's more of luck.


Oh damn, game 7 tomorrow. Predictions? Can't see Miami (LeBron) losing this one but I also don't think they beat the Spurs unless Bosh and especially Wade snaps out of it. Bosh has been terrible but I don't think it's completely his fault, he's facing the worst matchup of his life and hasn't had one play ran for him this entire series. Spo's an awful coach and Bosh has been relegated to scrub duty by hovering around the three-point line and waiting for a bailout pass. There's been no effort to utilize him in the pick and roll or try to use him to drag Hibbert away from the post like the Heat did to the Bulls and Noah (leaving Boozer to get lit up by everyone).

Will it be another close game just like the ones Miami won in this series?

[813Jag]

I think that you have to bet on Miami. Stern does not want his last Finals to be Indiana-San Antonio. ;)

Bosh has been proven to be soft. He's gone up against excellent competition and has buckled under it. How big are Indiana's poor substitutions in game 1, now?
we have a winner xlolx

[813Jag]

Oh damn, game 7 tomorrow. Predictions? Can't see Miami (LeBron) losing this one but I also don't think they beat the Spurs unless Bosh and especially Wade snaps out of it. Bosh has been terrible but I don't think it's completely his fault, he's facing the worst matchup of his life and hasn't had one play ran for him this entire series. Spo's an awful coach and Bosh has been relegated to scrub duty by hovering around the three-point line and waiting for a bailout pass. There's been no effort to utilize him in the pick and roll or try to use him to drag Hibbert away from the post like the Heat did to the Bulls and Noah (leaving Boozer to get lit up by everyone).
nobody but Lebron has plays run for him, kinda looks like Cleveland all over. Also, nobody will respect him on a pick and roll if he's not making shots.

[DSUrocks07]

Tonight's Game 7 will be the most watched NBA game in recent memory. Show time haters, let the circlejerking on the demise of the Miami Heat commence!! xlolx

[ASUMountaineer]

Tonight's Game 7 will be the most watched NBA game in recent memory. Show time haters, let the circlejerking on the demise of the Miami Heat commence!! xlolx

If they lose, ESPN will go ape. I'm hoping the Pacers win just for the sheer hilariousness that will ensue at the WWL.

[asumike83]

Lebron will surely be on his "A" game, Euro soccer style:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L8rGCH_HRdQ

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Lebron will surely be on his "A" game, Euro soccer style:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L8rGCH_HRdQ

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/s320x320/487404_290066027785887_586914047_n.jpg

[bonarae]

It's now Miami vs. San Antonio in the Finals.

My pick: This series will go to 7, with San Antonio winning it.

[NHwildEcat]

Stern set that game up nicely last night. I really think a third party should handle the officiating because Stern just matches his henchmen up just right when one of his stars is on the brink of failure.

Gosh, the NBA is so fixed.

[NHwildEcat]

It's now Miami vs. San Antonio in the Finals.

My pick: This series will go to 7, with San Antonio winning it.

As nice as that would be, no way the Heat lose. They win in 6. Stern will all up assure it.

Sorry to you fans in small markets, you team will never win it. The NBA only cares about big markets and stars. Too bad we couldn't have gotten an Indiana/Memphis finals....

[bonarae]

Stern set that game up nicely last night. I really think a third party should handle the officiating because Stern just matches his henchmen up just right when one of his stars is on the brink of failure.

Gosh, the NBA is so fixed.

Third party? As in similar to the replacement referees the NFL used during their officials' strike? Those refs changed the outcome of some games last year. xsmhx

[PaladinFan]

As nice as that would be, no way the Heat lose. They win in 6. Stern will all up assure it.

Sorry to you fans in small markets, you team will never win it. The NBA only cares about big markets and stars. Too bad we couldn't have gotten an Indiana/Memphis finals....

That is probably the reason I will never get "that" into the NBA. It just, to me, has the appearance of favoritism. The league has stars, and they know more money is made the more times those stars are on the court. It just makes it somewhat unpalatable.

I watched the Hawks play the Heat once and a foul was called if Lebron had the ball and a guy in the fourth row back sneezed.

[PaladinFan]

Third party? As in similar to the replacement referees the NFL used during their officials' strike? Those refs changed the outcome of some games last year. xsmhx

I might suggest that the NFL refs were trying their darndest to make the right calls - they just missed some. The argument against the NBA refs is that they have an appearance of impropriety. That is, a disproportionate number of fouls are called against the team playing against the star, than the team playing with the star.

[NHwildEcat]

Third party? As in similar to the replacement referees the NFL used during their officials' strike? Those refs changed the outcome of some games last year. xsmhx

The NBA would be so much better if they had officials with that level of ability! The NBA has the worst officiating in all of sports, and I include in that judging for any and all Olympic sports.

[NHwildEcat]

That is probably the reason I will never get "that" into the NBA. It just, to me, has the appearance of favoritism. The league has stars, and they know more money is made the more times those stars are on the court. It just makes it somewhat unpalatable.

I watched the Hawks play the Heat once and a foul was called if Lebron had the ball and a guy in the fourth row back sneezed.

Yup. That is why you always see empty arenas, I think people have become more aware of the WWE style of play. At lease in wresting the super star is known to lose once in awhile.

[Gil Dobie]

It took the big three to win the game, not just Lebron. Miami big 3 might give Jordan a run for his money. :)

[NHwildEcat]

It took the big three to win the game, not just Lebron. Miami big 3 might give Jordan a run for his money. :)

Thanks for ther laugh. Needed it.

[BluBengal07]

It took the big three to win the game, not just Lebron. Miami big 3 might give Jordan a run for his money. :)

parental guidance is needed here.xcoffeex


however, he did stated 3 current superstars are needed to "might" compete against Jordan.

[Gil Dobie]

Any predictions?

I am going with Spurs in 6 games. Lebron gets his numbers, Wade fades and Bosh can't handle the old man from the Islands.

[blueballs]

Miami in 7... should be a good series, lots of intriguing match ups.

[NHwildEcat]

Miami in 4

[DSUrocks07]

Miami in 7

[Laker]

I'll have to go with the Spurs in 6, because if it goes 7 the Heat will win at home.

[BluBengal07]

Spurs in 6.
Spurs needs to steal game 1 to set this tempo though.

[Laker]

Spurs in 6.
Spurs needs to still game 1 to set this tempo though.

That ended up costing Indiana the series- letting game 1 get away.

[BluBengal07]

Spurs in 6.
Spurs needs to still game 1 to set this tempo though.

BOOM.

[NHwildEcat]

Heat in 5

[Laker]

Miami in 4 :)


Heat in 5:D

[bonarae]

Spurs in 6 now....

[Gil Dobie]

Any predictions?

I am going with Spurs in 6 games. Lebron gets his numbers, Wade fades and Bosh can't handle the old man from the Islands.

Spurs in 5 ;)

[BluBengal07]

as expected. no worries. GO SPURS GO.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Did anyone see that ridiculous posturing Lebron did after that huge block he had? It was seconds before he got back on offense.

That is why the Spurs will win.

[813Jag]

I predict the first team to win 4 games will win the series xreadx xlolx

[Gil Dobie]

I predict the first team to win 4 games will win the series xreadx xlolx

I predict you are right :)

[813Jag]

I predict you are right :)
I've got a strong feeling on this prediction xlolx

[Laker]

The owners of the Grizzlies aren't very smart.

http://espn.go.com/nba/conversations/_/id/9363245/lionel-hollins-memphis-grizzlies-parting-ways

[seantaylor]

The owners of the Grizzlies aren't very smart.

http://espn.go.com/nba/conversations/_/id/9363245/lionel-hollins-memphis-grizzlies-parting-ways

Ridiculous. Hollins is easily a top 10 coach in the NBA, and probably more like top 7.

[BluBengal07]

if you haven't noticed yet, this is a quite exciting Finals. not that much BS playing/calls. we're seeing different guys stepping up and putting in work at times.

[ASUMountaineer]

Ridiculous. Hollins is easily a top 10 coach in the NBA, and probably more like top 7.

Agreed. I wish the B*bcats had held out before hiring a coach now.

[ASU_Fanatic]

Heat are winning this in 7

[bonarae]

Do the Spurs have any other similar peers in American sports with similar paths for foreign-bred players (e.g. baseball, ice hockey)? Their secret to success may be a reliance of foreign-bred players...

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9364989/san-antonio-spurs-doing-right-drafting-international-athletes-espn-magazine

[ASU_Fanatic]

damn how things can change after one game

[Laker]

Parker has hamstring problems? Just saw that on TV. That could also change things.

Spurs have to win one of the next two- and then game 6. I don't like their chances in a game 7.

[ASUMountaineer]

At this moment (long ways to go, I know) is Danny Green the MVP?

[Gil Dobie]

Do the Spurs have any other similar peers in American sports with similar paths for foreign-bred players (e.g. baseball, ice hockey)? Their secret to success may be a reliance of foreign-bred players...

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9364989/san-antonio-spurs-doing-right-drafting-international-athletes-espn-magazine

T-Wolves were copying the model, but injuries have slowed down any progress. They have Rubio, Pekovic, Kirilenko, Gelebale, Shved and made a play for Batum in the off-season.

[Gil Dobie]

Ridiculous. Hollins is easily a top 10 coach in the NBA, and probably more like top 7.

Would like to see him work with Adelman for a year in Minnesota and then take over once Adelman retires. Hollins son plays for the Minnesota Gophers.

[BluBengal07]

At this moment (long ways to go, I know) is Danny Green the MVP?

he has greatly raised his stock, but i don't think so. however, he's on the right track.

Kawhi Leonard has a better chance of being MVP with his strong offense and containing LeBron (when possible). I think these could be the future faces of SAS; Kawhi Leonard, Danny Green and Gary Neal.

[Hammerhead]

I doubt there is any other team with a significantly larger proportion of foreign players than the rest of the teams in their league. When I was a teacher, we had student teachers from Chile and Germany and I had to translate American slang and idioms. (And explain that the snow during the homecoming parade was just the beginning of the longest, coldest winter of their lives :) )


Do the Spurs have any other similar peers in American sports with similar paths for foreign-bred players (e.g. baseball, ice hockey)? Their secret to success may be a reliance of foreign-bred players...

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9364989/san-antonio-spurs-doing-right-drafting-international-athletes-espn-magazine

[Gil Dobie]

I doubt there is any other team with a significantly larger proportion of foreign players than the rest of the teams in their league. When I was a teacher, we had student teachers from Chile and Germany and I had to translate American slang and idioms. (And explain that the snow during the homecoming parade was just the beginning of the longest, coldest winter of their lives :) )

Spurs 5 international players, 2 starters, Timberwolves 5 International players, 3 starters

[NHwildEcat]

I am thinking the NBA needs to put a division in Europe. I can think of 5 teams that could go over there and have no effect on the league.

Sacramento, Charlotte (sorry Bobcats fan), Atlanta, Golden State, Toronto.

[Gil Dobie]

I am thinking the NBA needs to put a division in Europe. I can think of 5 teams that could go over there and have no effect on the league.

Sacramento, Charlotte (sorry Bobcats fan), Atlanta, Golden State, Toronto.

Sounds like a good thread, coming up with nicknames for the London, Paris, Rome etc basketball teams. In Asia, the Philipines has the best name possiblility, the Manila Folders.

[blueballs]

I am thinking the NBA needs to put a division in Europe. I can think of 5 teams that could go over there and have no effect on the league.

Sacramento, Charlotte (sorry Bobcats fan), Atlanta, Golden State, Toronto.

Golden State was among the youngest teams in the league in 2012-13... they beat Denver and gave San Antonio a heckuva tussle in the second round. They are a team on the rise.

[NHwildEcat]

Golden State was among the youngest teams in the league in 2012-13... they beat Denver and gave San Antonio a heckuva tussle in the second round. They are a team on the rise.

I've heard that before. They will never do anything more then what they did this year.

[NHwildEcat]

I've heard that before. They will never do anything more then what they did this year.

At the least, they should change their name to the San Francisco Seals.

[Gil Dobie]

I've heard that before. They will never do anything more then what they did this year.

Moving to San Fran will help the franchise. It can be scary going to the Oracle Arena.

[Laker]

At the least, they should change their name to the San Francisco Seals.


Moving to San Fran will help the franchise. It can be scary going to the Oracle Arena.

When are they going- the 2015-16 season? I'm so old, I not only remember the San Fransisco Warriors (with "The City" uniforms) but also the Philadelphia Warriors. xeekx

[bonarae]

From player straight to head coach - Jason Kidd has done this.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/22396987/sources-nets-hire-jason-kidd-as-head-coach

[ASU_Fanatic]

I am thinking the NBA needs to put a division in Europe. I can think of 5 teams that could go over there and have no effect on the league.

Sacramento, Charlotte (sorry Bobcats fan), Atlanta, Golden State, Toronto.

No.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

From player straight to head coach - Jason Kidd has done this.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/22396987/sources-nets-hire-jason-kidd-as-head-coach

I was listening to Freddie Coleman on ESPN last night and he had an interesting theory. He thinks that one of the reasons Patrick Ewing and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar don't get coaching jobs is because owners don't want to deal with the intimidation of a 7 footer in their direct employ.

[813Jag]

I am thinking the NBA needs to put a division in Europe. I can think of 5 teams that could go over there and have no effect on the league.

Sacramento, Charlotte (sorry Bobcats fan), Atlanta, Golden State, Toronto.
that's a hell of a road swing. Not a fan of moving teams though.

[NHwildEcat]

No.

The league needs fixing...just putting out one such idea. My other thought is even less likely. Contraction.

[813Jag]

The league needs fixing...just putting out one such idea. My other thought is even less likely. Contraction.
I think the major problem with the league is leaving in 2014.

[NHwildEcat]

I think the major problem with the league is leaving in 2014.

Not in the mind of the Owners. Stern has done everything they have wanted, and they are all much richer because of it.

It would be nice though for the players to stop flopping and acting like complete morons anytime a foul is called. They all look insane.

But I would contract Charlotte in a heart beat if I was running the show.

[ASUMountaineer]

Not in the mind of the Owners. Stern has done everything they have wanted, and they are all much richer because of it.

It would be nice though for the players to stop flopping and acting like complete morons anytime a foul is called. They all look insane.

But I would contract Charlotte in a heart beat if I was running the show.

Screw you, too.

[813Jag]

I know most of you won't care xlolx but I feel like my relationship with the NBA is waning, I still watch games and follow my teams (who both aren't good but that doesn't play a part in this). But I feel like I have no emotional attachment to the league any more. I know there a lot of great players but it all feels like an exhibition to me. Not gonna say its rigged, like some do but I treat it like the WWE. I can't really pinpoint when my feelings changed for the NBA, but believe me NBA it's not you, it's me.

[NHwildEcat]

I know most of you won't care xlolx but I feel like my relationship with the NBA is waning, I still watch games and follow my teams (who both aren't good but that doesn't play a part in this). But I feel like I have no emotional attachment to the league any more. I know there a lot of great players but it all feels like an exhibition to me. Not gonna say its rigged, like some do but I treat it like the WWE. I can't really pinpoint when my feelings changed for the NBA, but believe me NBA it's not you, it's me.

This!

[Gil Dobie]

I know most of you won't care xlolx but I feel like my relationship with the NBA is waning, I still watch games and follow my teams (who both aren't good but that doesn't play a part in this). But I feel like I have no emotional attachment to the league any more. I know there a lot of great players but it all feels like an exhibition to me. Not gonna say its rigged, like some do but I treat it like the WWE. I can't really pinpoint when my feelings changed for the NBA, but believe me NBA it's not you, it's me.

Maybe a new commish will change things. Since Stern took over the league is making money, but the fans have lost faith in the integrity that was built up during the Bird/Magic era. Whenever I see Ken Mauer or Joey Crawford on the floor, I think of preferential star treatment. The big name teams with the big name stars usually win when these guys are blowing the whistle. The better team should win, but adding another advantage is not needed. Let the players decide the game, not the pocket books.

[bonarae]

Unpredictable. One word to describe the NBA Finals.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/22419689/only-consistent-aspect-of-nba-finals-is-its-unpredictability

[bonarae]

The series returns to Miami with the Spurs leading 3-2. Will the series extend all the way?

[Gil Dobie]

Had a good feeling about the game, no Mauer, no Crawford, Spurs win.

[BluBengal07]

The series returns to Miami with the Spurs leading 3-2. Will the series extend all the way?

it depend on how greedy the NBA wants to be with trying to fix the game(s).

[BluBengal07]

can the Spurs close this out tonight?

[813Jag]

can the Spurs close this out tonight?
I'd be surprised if they do, I could easily see them not winning again.

[bonarae]

can the Spurs close this out tonight?

Yes, because...

In 2011, Miami was in the same boat: they went home down 3-2, but LeBron flunked himself in Game 6 against Dallas; and thus Dallas won in Miami.

[Gil Dobie]

Yes, because...

In 2011, Miami was in the same boat: they went home down 3-2, but LeBron flunked himself in Game 6 against Dallas; and thus Dallas won in Miami.

But James and Wade were sick ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoOXKha7uL4

[Gil Dobie]

Joey Crawford is working game 6 along with Ken Mauer. Looks like there will be a game 7. I still think Crawford has it in for Duncan, based on the officiating of the games he has been involved in.

Link (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/18/joey-crawfords-crew-to-referee-game-6-of-the-nba-finals/)


Crawford and Duncan have a history (he threw Tim Duncan out of a game for laughing in 2007 and didn’t get assigned the NBA Finals for years after), but this is really a good thing for the Spurs — no referee is more willing to make an unpopular call against the home team late in the game than Crawford.

All we ever really want from the officials is for them not to be the story, and through five games of the Finals that has been the case by and large. There have been missed calls both ways, but the teams have been the story. Crawford could be the one guy to change that dynamic, but let’s all hope not. Let’s hope the Spurs and Heat decide this on their own merits.

[813Jag]

Joey Crawford is working game 6 along with Ken Mauer. Looks like there will be a game 7. I still think Crawford has it in for Duncan, based on the officiating of the games he has been involved in.

Link (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/18/joey-crawfords-crew-to-referee-game-6-of-the-nba-finals/)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb6ix3MnPw1rhkyyso1_500.gif

[Gil Dobie]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/926/841/hi-res-155029442_display_image.jpg?1358988391

Million dollar handshake ;)

[NHwildEcat]

Heat in 7, or play until the Heat win.

[ASU_Fanatic]

I don't even know what to say. One of the greatest games ever. Please no one say Ginobili got fouled. He traveled twice into triple team. He deserved what he got. I don't even know where to start. I love sports.

[clenz]

He got ****ing raped

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[ASU_Fanatic]

He got ****ing raped

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and traveled twice before hand. plus he dribbled into a triple team. should have kicked it out.

[bonarae]

Yikes. I went out for an hour during halftime and the Spurs choked early in the fourth and never recovered. xbawlingx

[clenz]

LeBron gets that call.



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[seantaylor]

I don't even know what to say. One of the greatest games ever. Please no one say Ginobili got fouled. He traveled twice into triple team. He deserved what he got. I don't even know where to start. I love sports.

It doesn't matter if he traveled. NBA officials allow traveling 100 times a game. And the replays show it was iffy. He was fouled. That cannot be debated.

[Gil Dobie]

and traveled twice before hand. plus he dribbled into a triple team. should have kicked it out.

James and Wade had more rushing yards each than Ginobili. It's the NBA.

[Gil Dobie]

Yikes. I went out for an hour during halftime and the Spurs choked early in the fourth and never recovered. xbawlingx

Miami had a better team on the floor at that time. Duncan and Parker were on the bench.

[Gil Dobie]

LeBron gets that call.



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Lebron gets away with his left arm push a lot. He really gets mad when he they do call a foul on it.

[BluBengal07]

Miami had a better team on the floor at that time. Duncan and Parker were on the bench.

that was the weird part. that's very uncharacteristic.

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didn't every Heat playoff game went to 7 games? #moneymarket

[813Jag]

that was the weird part. that's very uncharacteristic.

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didn't every Heat playoff game went to 7 games? #moneymarket

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb6ix3MnPw1rhkyyso1_500.gif

[813Jag]

Can we all agree that Manu is trash and needs to retire, he's a shell of his former self.

[Gil Dobie]

Can we all agree that Manu is trash and needs to retire, he's a shell of his former self.

Tough game for Ginobili, too many turnovers and the missed FT at the end, along with Leonard's cost the Spurs the game, despite Joey Crawford.

[813Jag]

Tough game for Ginobili, too many turnovers and the missed FT at the end, along with Leonard's cost the Spurs the game, despite Joey Crawford.
Manu just doesn't have it any more, he made some of the worse decisions with the ball all night. No way he should have had the ball in that situation.

[Gil Dobie]

Manu just doesn't have it any more, he made some of the worse decisions with the ball all night. No way he should have had the ball in that situation.

He looked bad and has only 1 good game in the Finals.

[NHwildEcat]

I caught a couple minutes before falling asleep, took OT I hear but it was pretty evident that the Heat were going to win. They are the better team.

Wish they would play these games a little earlier, I had to miss my local news last night.

[McNeese75]

James and Wade had more rushing yards each than Ginobili. It's the NBA.


Tough game for Ginobili, too many turnovers and the missed FT at the end, along with Leonard's cost the Spurs the game, despite Joey Crawford.

It's a real shame the NBA players cannot play the game the way it is supposed to be. The traveling is just stupid. As good as Ginobli was in game 5 he was every bit as bad last night. Spurs just plain blew it. There is no way they should have let the Heat recover at the end of the game (regardless of the calls, etc). SA can kiss game 7 goodbye

[813Jag]

Bosh tells Heat fans that left to stay home and watch Game 7
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9404692/nba-finals-2013-chris-bosh-miami-heat-fans-watch-game-home

[bonarae]

xsmhx xnonono2x xbawlingx

[813Jag]

Summer league starts July 12, let's go Pelicans xlolx

[TheRevSFA]

Thanks God the finals are over. It's not even fun to watch anymore. The game has changed and players get away with flopping so much that we should just refer to it as soccer..

..and why dribble anymore, when you can take 5 steps before you release? Ridiculous.

[Gil Dobie]

Now if Lebron played like last night, he can move up in the top 50 NBA players of all-time. He played like a Michael Jordan, who by the way is borderline top 10. :)

[NHwildEcat]

Thanks God the finals are over. It's not even fun to watch anymore. The game has changed and players get away with flopping so much that we should just refer to it as soccer..

..and why dribble anymore, when you can take 5 steps before you release? Ridiculous.

Please don't insult soccer with comparisons to the NBA.

[813Jag]

Now if Lebron played like last night, he can move up in the top 50 NBA players of all-time. He played like a Michael Jordan, who by the way is borderline top 10. :)
That's no fair Gil some of us can only go back to the early 80's xlolx what's your top 10?

[Gil Dobie]

That's no fair Gil some of us can only go back to the early 80's xlolx what's your top 10?

I would start with centers, Wilt, Russell, and Jabbar.
Then add Elgin Baylor, Pete Maravich, Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, Karl Malone and my wildcard Connie Hawkins who could out Dr. the Dr.
Then the battle for 10 between Dr. J and Jordan.

Hawkins has long been one of my favorites. He was banned from the NCAA, NAIA and the NBA for something he was never convicted of or proved to be involved in. He was an NBA rookie at age 27.

[BluBengal07]

crazy Finals. still love my Spurs and will load up on gear for the basement when i get back to Texas.

and folks said the Spurs are boring when they get to the playoffs. they just didn't have exciting competition. xthumbsupx

[BluBengal07]

Spurs in 6.
Spurs needs to steal game 1 to set this tempo though.

HAHA, went back and saw this!!!
could of been very possible though. great times. lol

[813Jag]

I would start with centers, Wilt, Russell, and Jabbar.
Then add Elgin Baylor, Pete Maravich, Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, Karl Malone and my wildcard Connie Hawkins who could out Dr. the Dr.
Then the battle for 10 between Dr. J and Jordan.

Hawkins has long been one of my favorites. He was banned from the NCAA, NAIA and the NBA for something he was never convicted of or proved to be involved in. He was an NBA rookie at age 27.

That's a really solid list, I fell in love with Pistol Pete after hearing about him when I was younger. Only him, Shaq, Bobby Phills and Avery Johnson have been able to turn Baton Rouge into a basketball town.

[DSUrocks07]

The "Kang" has spoken: (language slightly NSFW)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oBWW3V8ETE

xlmaox