Price, Robertson Head Up CSJ's Second All-Freshman Team

[Mr. C]

College Sports Journal has announced its second All-Freshman team:

PHILADELPHIA, PA. — Wide receiver Sean Price of Appalachian State and quarterback John Robertson of Villanova shared top honors on the second annual College Sports Journal Football Championship Subdivision Freshman All-America team as national freshmen of the year.

Price and Robertson head up a 63-man squad that represents the only all-freshman team in the FCS. The 63 players are representative of the 63 scholarships allowed to teams that compete in FCS.

To read more:

http://www.college-sports-journal.com/index.php/ncaa-division-i-sports/fcs-football/690-price-robertson-head-up-csj-s-second-all-freshman-team

[chattownmocs]

Wow, another All-Appalachian team.

[CFBfan]

Cornell with a RB and C, impressive. good nucleus for new HC Archer?

[CID1990]

Wow, another All-Appalachian team.

I don't see that.

[DoWe]

Wow, another All-Appalachian team.

4 out of 63 constitutes such criticism?

[CID1990]

Our DE is going to be an All American if he continues to grow.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Wow, another All-Appalachian team.

Like someone else said, they only had four. Who among them did not deserve to be on it?

I forgot that UTC beat the crap out of App State this year and therefore should have had four on the team instead as you said this year... Oh wait... xlolx

Seriously though, I don't know of a major snub. Anyone know of a player that they believe is a major snub from this list?

[citdog]

Like someone else said, they only had four. Who among them did not deserve to be on it?

I forgot that UTC beat the crap out of App State this year and therefore should have had four on the team instead as you said this year... Oh wait... xlolx

Seriously though, I don't know of a major snub. Anyone know of a player that they believe is a major snub from this list?


I do. Sorry Dave but you missed one by not putting James Riley on the list.

http://www.postandcourier.com/storyimage/CP/20121108/PC20/121109298/AR/0/AR-121109298.jpg&q=100&maxh=300

[Apphole]

Here's a whacky hypothetical question: Do you think that if this FCS AA team actually existed, if properly coached ect, would have a chance at winning, say, an ACC championship if it played a normal ACC schedule? SunBelt? SEC?

[smallcollegefbfan]

I do. Sorry Dave but you missed one by not putting James Riley on the list.

http://www.postandcourier.com/storyimage/CP/20121108/PC20/121109298/AR/0/AR-121109298.jpg&q=100&maxh=300

I don't know if Dave missed him as much as there are just a lot of good LBs out there. Who on their list would you remove for Riley? I think Riley was probably one of the top 2-3 guys left off but not a blatant miss. He was good though. I think there were a lot of good freshmen in FCS this year. Some positions on their list can boast having just about every player making an all-conference team, which shows how good they were.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Here's a whacky hypothetical question: Do you think that if this FCS AA team actually existed, if properly coached ect, would have a chance at winning, say, an ACC championship if it played a normal ACC schedule? SunBelt? SEC?

Would beat the Sun Belt champion for sure. I think it would finish 3rd or so in the ACC. Some think that Alabama could beat an NFL team, they couldn't, but shows you how good Alabama is. This team would get killed by Alabama and the next 4-5 teams in the SEC.

[lionsrking2]

Seriously though, I don't know of a major snub. Anyone know of a player that they believe is a major snub from this list?

Yes, Xavier Roberson, Southeastern Louisiana ... didn't move to offense until game four and didn't become regular RB until game five, splitting time with another true freshman (Rasheed Harrell) ... rushed for 488 yards and four TDs, also had two kickoff returns for TDs and pass reception for a TD. Easily belongs on the list with the other running backs listed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH22tHAdy1Y

[Mr. C]

Yes, Xavier Roberson, Southeastern Louisiana ... didn't move to offense until game four and didn't become regular RB until game five, splitting time with another true freshman (Rasheed Harrell) ... rushed for 488 yards and four TDs, also had two kickoff returns for TDs and pass reception for a TD. Easily belongs on the list with the other running backs listed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH22tHAdy1Y

Hard to put a player with a half-season of production ahead of players who were producing every week. Roberson wasn't even among the top 100 rushers in FCS this season.

[lionsrking2]

Hard to put a player with a half-season of production ahead of players who were producing every week. Roberson wasn't even among the top 100 rushers in FCS this season.

Look at the other running backs on your list and get back with me. You got a guy on there who only played in seven games and didn't even score a TD. Roberson's move to RB and kick return was a big part of our turnaround ... belongs on the list somewhere.

[chattownmocs]

Well the guy who finished 4th in the Rice voting didn't make a 63 man team. That is pretty glaring. Malachi Jones? really? That guy didn't do anything.

[walliver]

Here's a whacky hypothetical question: Do you think that if this FCS AA team actually existed, if properly coached ect, would have a chance at winning, say, an ACC championship if it played a normal ACC schedule? SunBelt? SEC?

As freshmen, NO.
3 years from now, they might win 1 or 2 ACC games, might beat Kentucky, and would be competitive in the SunBelt/C-USA/Big Least. Lack of depth would be an issue also.

[Saint3333]

Well the guy who finished 4th in the Rice voting didn't make a 63 man team. That is pretty glaring. Malachi Jones? really? That guy didn't do anything.

400 yards as a true freshman on a team with Price, Peacock, and Washington. Remember this post the next three years when Price and Jones are lighting you guys up. The kid is perhaps the best route runner on the team.

[Apphole]

400 yards as a true freshman on a team with Price, Peacock, and Washington. Remember this post the next three years when Price and Jones are lighting you guys up. The kid is perhaps the best route runner on the team.

We won't be playing Chattanooga in 3 years.

[DoWe]

We won't be playing Chattanooga in 3 years.

If citdog jumps on that comment I won't blame him this time.

[Apphole]

If citdog jumps on that comment I won't blame him this time.

Why? Because its obnoxious? Because its certainly accurate.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Look at the other running backs on your list and get back with me. You got a guy on there who only played in seven games and didn't even score a TD. Roberson's move to RB and kick return was a big part of our turnaround ... belongs on the list somewhere.

Ryan Heaston, Missouri State- 424 yards in 7 games so I know that is the one you are pointing out but he had 15 catches for 173 yards and averaged 5 yards a carry. He had 599 all-purpose yards on the season.

Roberson had more yards but played in 4 more games total and averaged 4.6 a carry. His best games were in the return game. He had 2 kickoff returns for touchdowns. I would say he should have maybe been on there as a kick returner but not at RB.

The big thing with Roberson is that he averaged less all-purpose yards per game than Heaston.

With that said I think both of them will be key players for their teams next year. Roberson has an argument to be on there but he less yards per game, even including the return game. Heaston was on there solely for his play at RB.

[citdog]

We won't be playing Chattanooga in 3 years.


Chatty may be in the sun bletch by then, BETTER MARKET, BETTER NAME RECOGNITION, ETC ETC


EVERYONE'S HEARD OF THIS......


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Chattanooga_choo_choo_dec.jpg

[smallcollegefbfan]

I sat down and did a 1st, 2nd, and honorable mention list. How about this? I don't think I missed anyone that is worthy of mention at all.

FRESHMAN OF THE YEAR: WR Sean Price, Appalachian State

FRESHMAN ALL-AMERICA TEAMS

FIRST TEAM OFFENSE
OFFENSE
QB John Robertson, Villanova
RB Luke Hagy, Cornell
RB Jake Hutson, Valparaiso
FB Emmanuel Holder, Towson
WR Sean Price, Appalachian State
WR Jameer Jackson, North Dakota
TE Joe Bowens, Tennessee State
OT Ben Curtis, Delaware
OT Derek Chancellor, South Dakota
OG Josh Colville, North Dakota State
OG Donald Jackson, Sam Houston State
C Eric Thoni, Furman

SECOND TEAM OFFENSE
QB Sawyer Kollmorgen, Northern Iowa
RB Ryan Heaston, Missouri State
RB Darius Ramsey, Western Carolina
FB Andrew Bonnet, North Dakota State
WR Larry Jones III, Charleston Southern
WR D.J. Ward, Stephen F. Austin
TE Sam Rohr, Northern Iowa
OT Adam Pasnik, Albany
OT Ethan Wirth, Southern Illinois
OG Sedale Young, Richmond
OG Shaq Counts, Appalachian State
C Zach Wilk, Cornell

FIRST TEAM DEFENSE
DE Damon Gresham-Chisholm, Howard
DE Jonathan Woodard, Central Arkansas
DT Alex Mosley, James Madison
DT Javon Hargrave, South Carolina State
LB Jeff Williams, Delaware
LB Zak Browning, Southern Utah
LB Luke Rhodes, William & Mary
LB J.J. Raffelson, Western Illinois
CB Aaron Matthews, Hampton
CB Anthony Gaffney, Princeton
S Terrick Colston, Delaware State
S Jordan Tonani, Eastern Washington

SECOND TEAM DEFENSE
DE Michael Kozlakowski, Maine
DE Davante Harris, Appalachian State
DT Brian Schaetz, North Dakota State
DT Daevonte Barnett, Wagner
LB T.J. Lally, South Dakota State
LB Elandon Roberts, Morgan State
LB Caleb Taylor, Old Dominion
LB James Riley, The Citadel
CB Ryan Smith, North Carolina Central
CB James Bradberry, Samford
S Mark Sewall, Indiana State
S Taison Manu, Idaho State

FIRST TEAM SPECIALISTS
RS Shaquille Hill, Eastern Washington
RS Johna’ Hebert, Prairie View A&M
K Chris Lider, Montana
P Ben LeCompte, North Dakota State
LS Jake Olson, Montana State

SECOND TEAM SPECIALISTS
RS Khalif Raymond, Holy Cross
RS Ladarius Vanlier, Tennessee Tech
K Alex Hanks, Georgia Southern
P Stephen Shaw, Montana
LS Danny MaMontagne, Furman

HONORABLE MENTION
QB Josh Woodrum, Liberty
QB Vernon Adams, Eastern Washington
QB Jacob Huesman, Chattanooga
QB Reese Hannon, Furman
QB Troy Mitchell, Western Carolina
QB Scott Lathrop, Southeast Missouri
RB Jacobi Green, Richmond
RB Tracey Coppedge, Elon
RB Reco Williams, Austin Peay
FB Seth Fisher, Richmond
WR Malachi Jones, Appalachian State
WR Jordan Snellings, Furman
WR Eric Christophel, Missouri State
WR Tre Kelley, Missouri State
WR Andrew Okland, North Dakota State
TE Tony Philpot, Samford
TE Luke Smith, Jacksonville State
OT Adam Pasnik, Albany
OG Joe Turner, Furman
DE James Cowser, Southern Utah
DE Connor Underwood, Indiana State
DE Drew Iddings, South Dakota
DE Mark Thomas, The Citadel
DT Mitchell Jeter, The Citadel
DT Stephen Burns, Appalachian State
DT Bryce Krebs, Eastern Kentucky
LB Bryton Barr, Towson
LB Patrick Flowe, Georgia Southern
LB Alex Donnelly, Illinois State
LB Christian Hoffman, Missouri State
LB Tarris Batiste, Indiana State
LB Kamu Grugier-Hill, Eastern Illinois
LB T-Ray Malone, Murray State
CB Jermaine Hough, Jacksonville State
CB Marcelis Branch, Wagner
CB Reggie Thomas, Furman
CB Jaleel Lorquet, Western Carolina
S Trey Wesley, Samford
S Sertonuse Harris, Western Carolina
S Matt McCann, Villanova
S Brandon Hathaway, Murray State
S DJ Cameron, Southern Illinois
P Hamish MacInnes, Jacksonville State
KR Xavier Roberson, Southeastern Louisiana
PR Jamel Smith, Lafayette
RS Cam Flowers, Wofford

[chattownmocs]

Chatty may be in the sun bletch by then, BETTER MARKET, BETTER NAME RECOGNITION, ETC ETC


EVERYONE'S HEARD OF THIS......


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Chattanooga_choo_choo_dec.jpg

No doubt Chattanooga has more upside as an entire athletic program all things considered. Still not really very appealing, at least our administration understands that.

[Mr. C]

Well the guy who finished 4th in the Rice voting didn't make a 63 man team. That is pretty glaring. Malachi Jones? really? That guy didn't do anything.

If you don't think Malachi Jones was one of the top freshmen in the country, you are truly even more clueless than I thought. And on Huesman, how many quarterbacks do you need on a list? I could care less where anyone finishes on any TSN list. Our voting is done by an expert panel that actually sees almost all games that are televised and is actually at numerous games every week, unlike other organizations that pretend to cover FCS throughly. I've personally covered 50 games in the past two seasons. Anyone else out there that can top that that? Huesman, plain and simple, wasn't as good as the other QBs on the list in a great year for freshmen QBs. He narrowly missed the team. Jones, meanwhile, was one of the top five receivers in the country.

[chattownmocs]

If you don't think Malachi Jones was one of the top freshmen in the country, you are truly even more clueless than I thought. And on Huesman, how many quarterbacks do you need on a list? I could care less where anyone finishes on any TSN list. Our voting is done by an expert panel that actually sees almost all games that are televised and is actually at numerous games every week, unlike other organizations that pretend to cover FCS throughly. I've personally covered 50 games in the past two seasons. Anyone else out there that can top that that? Huesman, plain and simple, wasn't as good as the other QBs on the list in a great year for freshmen QBs. He narrowly missed the team. Jones, meanwhile, was one of the top five receivers in the country.

Completely absurd. There is no argument for Jones above Huesman for an all american team. None. Huesman is a better player, he has more impact. Huesman is arguably the best freshman player in the nation. At any position. That includes your other Freshman receiver. Taking the guy from Liberty above him is asinine. Please stop now with your idiocy.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Huesman is arguably the best freshman player in the nation. At any position. Taking the guy from Liberty above him is asinine.

Huesman is the best freshman player in the nation? Over Robertson? xlolx

I'm not saying Huesman didn't have a very good year. But the competition was pretty intense amongst freshman QBs in the playoffs and others like Kollmorgen that unquestionably deserved to be on there. It was a particularly tough year to make the team.

[Apphole]

No doubt Chattanooga has more upside as an entire athletic program all things considered. Still not really very appealing, at least our administration understands that.

As much as I LOVE to sit here and laugh at your delusions, I'm going to go ahead and nip this fallacy in the bud. There is absolutely nothing but media market that would ever get UTC considered above ASU.

First of all, ASU's donor/alumni support dwarfs UTC. As far as on the field goes, last year, ASU finished above UTC in 6 out of 8 of the men's sports in which both schools compete. Not to mention UTC doesn't participate in men's soccer or men's baseball. That's 8 points for App, and 2 points for Nooga. Unless you think golf teams decide the worth of an athletic department, you're just as wrong as you always have been.

You really are the least reputable poster on AGS: a national forum with hundreds of active posters.

http://www.soconsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4000&ATCLID=264425

[Saint3333]

No doubt Chattanooga has more upside as an entire athletic program all things considered. Still not really very appealing, at least our administration understands that.

Your baseball team is pretty good I hear.

[asumike83]

Completely absurd. There is no argument for Jones above Huesman for an all american team. None.

They play different positions. Seems like a pretty decent argument. As for the position that he did play, you could make a case for him over Woodrum but it was a deep year for freshman QBs.


Huesman is a better player, he has more impact. Huesman is arguably the best freshman player in the nation. At any position. That includes your other Freshman receiver.

Sean Price broke the record for most receiving yards by a freshman in FCS history in spite of missing two games. He also took over late against Samford and UTC on the road.

Who had more impact on the ASU/UTC game, Price or Huesman? Sean Price took the Mocs' lunch money in the 4th quarter while Huesman shriveled.

[CID1990]

Our young defense, given some of our commitments in the last couple weeks, is shaping up to be quite nasty.

[Mr. C]

Completely absurd. There is no argument for Jones above Huesman for an all american team. None. Huesman is a better player, he has more impact. Huesman is arguably the best freshman player in the nation. At any position. That includes your other Freshman receiver. Taking the guy from Liberty above him is asinine. Please stop now with your idiocy.

The biggest idiot on AGS is calling others idiots?

Jones wasn't selected above Huesman. Jones was selected as one of the top five receivers among FCS freshmen. Huesman wasn't selected above the other quarterbacks. You could make an argument debating Huesman and Woodrum, but not the other QBs. Adams nearly got his team to the NCAA championship game and led comebacks against Montana State and Montana. Robertson was the biggest difference in turning Villanova from a 2-9 team to a CAA co-champion and auto-bid winner. Kollmorgen would have been freshman of the year in a lot of seasons.

And if you are talking about freshmen of the year candidates at other positions, there were players like Lally and Browning on defense, in addition to probably the best freshman receiving season in FCS history this side of Randy Moss by Price. Get a grip on reality.

Huesman wasn't close to being the top freshman in the country. He was way too inconsistent for that.

[PaladinFan]

Glad to see Thoni on the list. Came to Furman as a walk on. I imagine he's earned his scholarship by now.

[chattownmocs]

The biggest idiot on AGS is calling others idiots?

Jones wasn't selected above Huesman. Jones was selected as one of the top five receivers among FCS freshmen. Huesman wasn't selected above the other quarterbacks. You could make an argument debating Huesman and Woodrum, but not the other QBs. Adams nearly got his team to the NCAA championship game and led comebacks against Montana State and Montana. Robertson was the biggest difference in turning Villanova from a 2-9 team to a CAA co-champion and auto-bid winner. Kollmorgen would have been freshman of the year in a lot of seasons.

And if you are talking about freshmen of the year candidates at other positions, there were players like Lally and Browning on defense, in addition to probably the best freshman receiving season in FCS history this side of Randy Moss by Price. Get a grip on reality.

Huesman wasn't close to being the top freshman in the country. He was way too inconsistent for that.


Didn't you just ask how many QBs you need? Well I'd say you need the guy who finished 4th in the Rice voting rather than a receiver who had 300 and something yards. Apparently you need more QBs and less WRs. Or you could just pick players based on merit and not on bias. Jacob Huesman's numbers stack up with any freshman QB in the nation. The guy who doesn't belong is Woodrum. It's not an argument at all. The debate would be between Huesman and the other 3. Woodrum had a couple hundred more passing yards, more INTs, far less total TDs, and was a non factor on the ground. As is always the case, your all-american team is a joke. I would like to expect something different from the overall All-American team today but it will probably be even more laughable.

[chattownmocs]

They play different positions. Seems like a pretty decent argument. As for the position that he did play, you could make a case for him over Woodrum but it was a deep year for freshman QBs.



Sean Price broke the record for most receiving yards by a freshman in FCS history in spite of missing two games. He also took over late against Samford and UTC on the road.

Who had more impact on the ASU/UTC game, Price or Huesman? Sean Price took the Mocs' lunch money in the 4th quarter while Huesman shriveled.


Lol, Malachi Jones vs Jacob Huesman is a good Argument but not Huesman vs Price? Cool story bro. I'm sorry but that is just incorrect. 3rd in the Rice voting vs 4th. Huesman was 4 time freshman of the week in the SOCON, 1 time player of the week in the entire league. What was Malachi Jones impact on the Southern Conference this year? Absolutely none. The guy caught a few balls a game for less than 30 yards a game and a TD every 4 games. All- American material right there.

But great to see the typical narcissistic response from Appy fans about the game involving their team. Who cares.

[chattownmocs]

As much as I LOVE to sit here and laugh at your delusions, I'm going to go ahead and nip this fallacy in the bud. There is absolutely nothing but media market that would ever get UTC considered above ASU.

First of all, ASU's donor/alumni support dwarfs UTC. As far as on the field goes, last year, ASU finished above UTC in 6 out of 8 of the men's sports in which both schools compete. Not to mention UTC doesn't participate in men's soccer or men's baseball. That's 8 points for App, and 2 points for Nooga. Unless you think golf teams decide the worth of an athletic department, you're just as wrong as you always have been.

You really are the least reputable poster on AGS: a national forum with hundreds of active posters.

http://www.soconsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4000&ATCLID=264425

It doesn't get much more meaningless than these silly little cups. Chattanooga has several athletic programs that could compete in any conference in the country. No other program in this conference has the type of excellence that we have. Not Southern Conference excellence, national excellence. So between the two, Chattanooga is definitely a better option if you want to bring nationally recognized programs into your conference.

[ASUMountaineer]

Lol, Malachi Jones vs Jacob Huesman is a good Argument but not Huesman vs Price? Cool story bro. I'm sorry but that is just incorrect. 3rd in the Rice voting vs 4th. Huesman was 4 time freshman of the week in the SOCON, 1 time player of the week in the entire league. What was Malachi Jones impact on the Southern Conference this year? Absolutely none. The guy caught a few balls a game for less than 30 yards a game and a TD every 4 games. All- American material right there.

But great to see the typical narcissistic response from Appy fans about the game involving their team. Who cares.

Clearly you do. Appalachian State appreciates your devoted interest.

[ASUMountaineer]

It doesn't get much more meaningless than these silly little cups. Chattanooga has several athletic programs that could compete in any conference in the country. No other program in this conference has the type of excellence that we have. Not Southern Conference excellence, national excellence. So between the two, Chattanooga is definitely a better option if you want to bring nationally recognized programs into your conference.

xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

What a great read to start off the morning. Thanks Chatty. xthumbsupx

[Eaglesrus]

What I want to is how our freshman place kicker got left off the list?

[asumike83]

Lol, Malachi Jones vs Jacob Huesman is a good Argument but not Huesman vs Price? Cool story bro. I'm sorry but that is just incorrect. 3rd in the Rice voting vs 4th. Huesman was 4 time freshman of the week in the SOCON, 1 time player of the week in the entire league. What was Malachi Jones impact on the Southern Conference this year? Absolutely none. The guy caught a few balls a game for less than 30 yards a game and a TD every 4 games. All- American material right there.

But great to see the typical narcissistic response from Appy fans about the game involving their team. Who cares.

I was merely responding to your comments, probably my first mistake. You said there was no argument for Jones over Huesman on the All-Freshman team, which makes no sense because they play different positions.

Now, stay with me, you said that Huesman was possibly the best freshman in the nation at ANY position. That means we can compare all freshmen regardless of where the play. Of course, Malachi Jones is not in the discussion for freshman of the year. However, Price certainly is. He had a record-setting season in spite of missing two games and made a huge impact on the game. He put the team on his back at Samford, UTC and Georgia Southern.

Who cares? Considering you started this whole conversation, obviously you do. You talk about App just about as much as you talk about your own team. Your continued patronage is appreciated.

[Apphole]

It doesn't get much more meaningless than these silly little cups. Chattanooga has several athletic programs that could compete in any conference in the country. No other program in this conference has the type of excellence that we have. Not Southern Conference excellence, national excellence. So between the two, Chattanooga is definitely a better option if you want to bring nationally recognized programs into your conference.

Well since ASU outperformed UTC in 8 out of 10 sports, and Chatty is a national power, I guess App is even MORE of a national power! Thanks for the morning boost of confidence!

Your logic, while flawed and sometimes incomprehensible, has brightened my day this time. I thank you.

[chattownmocs]

Well since ASU outperformed UTC in 8 out of 10 sports, and Chatty is a national power, I guess App is even MORE of a national power! Thanks for the morning boost of confidence!

Your logic, while flawed and sometimes incomprehensible, has brightened my day this time. I thank you.

Lol. Chattanooga only competes in 8 men's sports. But let's look at the sports will we...Wrestling..Chattanooga is an excellent up and coming wrestling program. They have been ranked nationally and had solid finishes in the NCAA tournament. They are now hosting some of the best tournaments in the nation. They are already solid and the stock is on the rise. Men's Golf- Won a regional in the NCAA tournament as a team and an individual. Rolled to a record breaking performance in the SOCON both as a team and individually. US amateur champion(different than the SOCON champ.) The US Amateur champion is actually a much bigger title than the NCAA champion. Chattanooga golf is about to reach even higher heights than it has previously. I predict annual top 10 relavence. Basketball- App STate can win a game or 2 more and it just doesn't change the fact that Chattanooga basketball simply has more upside. It has been, and has the the capability to be again, an excellent brand. App State does not. Baseball- start a baseball program if we actually wanted to move up. Easy.Track- I'll give you one of the most irrelevant sports out there that no one follows. They don't even broadcast these events live they are so boring and insignificant. XC is the same thing. Why it is not incorporated into track is beyond me. Football- again, neither program is ready. At least Chattanooga can actually say that they are on the rise rather than in decline. App State missed this boat 5 years ago.

Women's sports is where Chattanooga pulls away. Several ready to compete at the highest level today. Women's basketball and softball as well as Golf. Chattanooga Women's basketball can compete in any conference in the south. They have advanced and hosted NCAA tournament games very recently. If Wes Moore had not taken a few year hiatus this program would be working on somewhere in the neighborhood of 14 out of 15 SOCON titles. They beat the Lady Vols this year at home. Yes, the Lady Vols come to the Roundhouse. Softball has a nationally recognized facility and a long history of SOCON dominance. They could compete in any mid major conference.

Facilities are a major difference here. App State may have great practice facilities, workout facilities etc. Chattanooga has big time venues that can host championship events.

And lastly, the market. Yes Chattanooga has very little support at this time from the community. That will change with the right coach in the basketball program, and 1 trip to the FCS playoffs. Chattanooga has the ability to draw a fan base that can dwarf anything App State could ever draw if they were to move up to an FBS football conference. Finley Stadium is built in a way that makes major expansion possible. App State is tapped out on that front.

[asumike83]

At least Chattanooga can actually say that they are on the rise rather than in decline. App State missed this boat 5 years ago.

They can say whatever they want, doesn't make it true. UTC was 'on the rise' in 2009 when the went from 1 win to 6. Now, they are consistently mediocre. Huesman has had 4 years, the roster is all his players. DI wins by season under Huesman: 5, 6, 5, 5.

Maybe UTC 'missed the boat' on becoming a regular playoff contender 3 years ago.

[chattownmocs]

They can say whatever they want, doesn't make it true. UTC was 'on the rise' in 2009 when the went from 1 win to 6. Now, they are consistently mediocre. Huesman has had 4 years, the roster is all his players. DI wins by season under Huesman: 5, 6, 5, 5.

Maybe UTC 'missed the boat' on becoming a regular playoff contender 3 years ago.

It's a great story but simply contrary to reality. Evaluating these 2 programs heading into the 2013 season, Chattanooga is not an inch behind App State. Not in top end talent, not in depth, and not in coaching ability. You guys can thump your chest about your SOCON title all day long but the reality is that there were 6 teams who all finished within 1 game of each other. There were also a lot of games that game down to the final minute or even play. This thing could have went a lot of different ways. It may feel like the same old SOCON that Appalachian State used to dominate but the reality is that App State has fallen off a bit and the rest of the conference is gaining ground. Chattanooga should definitely win the conference this year and beat you at your place. We will see what Huesman is able to do with a team that has a championship pedigree. I have a feeling he is a lot better than Satterfield. I also have a feeling that Jeff Durden was the best SOCON coordinator higher of the offseason.

[Saint3333]

You had me at UTC funds 8 sports. That is a clear sign of an athletic program on the rise...

Oh and if you continue to pick UTC each year over App you'll eventually be right, even WCU and VMI did it a few times. But being right 10% of the time isn't a benchmark.

[PaladinFan]

I've always wanted to see a ranking that put the SoCon sports in order of national prominence. Where does X team rank in the entire universe of Division 1 X?

[chattownmocs]

You had me at UTC funds 8 sports. That is a clear sign of an athletic program on the rise...

Oh and if you continue to pick UTC each year over App you'll eventually be right, even WCU and VMI did it a few times. But being right 10% of the time isn't a benchmark.

Title IX

[mountaineer in Cane Land]

you really going to tell us Huesman, who has had, 5 years to win the SC or atleast make the playoffs, and cant finish any better than 4th, is somehow a great HC? Huesman is a great defensive coordinator, maybe the best in the FCS, but he is an underachiever as a headcoach, and is too emotional and says alot of dumb things. As far as Saterfield, how can you even make a comparison at this point, SS has not even been the headcoach 3 months, nobody has any idea how good or bad he will be. I will say this, Saterfield has already won a recruiting battle against Huseman, A defensive back out of Georgia committed to App, next day Huesman made a special trip to his house to try and have him decommitt from App, proud to say he is going to be a mountaineer!!

[chattownmocs]

you really going to tell us Huesman, who has had, 5 years to win the SC or atleast make the playoffs, and cant finish any better than 4th, is somehow a great HC? Huesman is a great defensive coordinator, maybe the best in the FCS, but he is an underachiever as a headcoach, and is too emotional and says alot of dumb things. As far as Saterfield, how can you even make a comparison at this point, SS has not even been the headcoach 3 months, nobody has any idea how good or bad he will be. I will say this, Saterfield has already won a recruiting battle against Huseman, A defensive back out of Georgia committed to App, next day Huesman made a special trip to his house to try and have him decommitt from App, proud to say he is going to be a mountaineer!!

He has been there 4 years. He has finished better than 4th. Wrong on both counts. Satterfield has never been a head coach which makes him a ridiculous hire fro a program claiming to be ready for FBS football. I do think Huesman will be a better coach than him. He has never said anything that I though hurt his program in any way shape or form. Congrats on the recruiting win. You guys need defensive players desperately. Our guy can develop them and he has proven it time and time again. I'll take Huesman and Fuller with their 2nd choice over Woody and Satterfield with their first choice every day of the week.

[ASUMountaineer]

Dear Lord, this is hilarious. xlolx Kudos to my fellow Mountaineers fighting the good fight, but it's a futile effort. He is such a big fan of Appalachian, he can't help himself.

[citdog]

Title IX



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXw-jDO8S8A


you have NO Title 9 problems when compared to others.

[citdog]

Dear Lord, this is hilarious. xlolx Kudos to my fellow Mountaineers fighting the good fight, but it's a futile effort. He is such a big fan of Appalachian, he can't help himself.

come on man.....you make the same argument whenever anyone is critical of app. at least you do it a little better than saint...


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[ASUMountaineer]

come on man.....you make the same argument whenever anyone is critical of app. at least you do it a little better than saint...


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Negative. It's not an argument, just a statement of fact.

I say that to you because I know it's true.

I say that to Chatty because it pisses him off. Also, because it's true.

Besides, I don't say you're a fan of ASU, but that you have a hard on for ASU. Same thing? Probably. Much closer to the same thing than a West Point grad being a soldier and a cadet being a soldier. Just sayin...



















that you complete me. xnodx

[citdog]

Negative. It's not an argument, just a statement of fact.

I say that to you because I know it's true.

I say that to Chatty because it pisses him off. Also, because it's true.

Besides, I don't say you're a fan of ASU, but that you have a hard on for ASU. Same thing? Probably. Much closer to the same thing than a West Point grad being a soldier and a cadet being a soldier. Just sayin...



















that you complete me. xnodx


that's AWESOME!



no eye contact though

[Apphole]

Lol. Chattanooga only competes in 8 men's sports. But let's look at the sports will we

Uh... I believe I already did that. I posted actual results from last season indicating that, in a field of the same competition (which is much more telling than a head to head match up), ASU outperformed UTC 6-2 in the sports Nooga sponsors. I'm sure you've convinced yourself otherwise being that you're absolutely delusional, but that's it. It took all of 3 minutes for me to find the nessisarily link to disprove you. Idiot.

[chattownmocs]

Uh... I believe I already did that. I posted actual results from last season indicating that, in a field of the same competition (which is much more telling than a head to head match up), ASU outperformed UTC 6-2 in the sports Nooga sponsors. I'm sure you've convinced yourself otherwise being that you're absolutely delusional, but that's it. It took all of 3 minutes for me to find the nessisarily link to disprove you. Idiot.

Do you think a conference would rather add Chattanooga's basketball programs or App State's?

[Apphole]

Lol. Chattanooga only competes in 8 men's sports. But let's look at the sports will we...Wrestling..Chattanooga is an excellent up and coming wrestling program. They have been ranked nationally and had solid finishes in the NCAA tournament. They are now hosting some of the best tournaments in the nation. They are already solid and the stock is on the rise. Men's Golf- Won a regional in the NCAA tournament as a team and an individual. Rolled to a record breaking performance in the SOCON both as a team and individually. US amateur champion(different than the SOCON champ.) The US Amateur champion is actually a much bigger title than the NCAA champion. Chattanooga golf is about to reach even higher heights than it has previously. I predict annual top 10 relavence. Basketball- App STate can win a game or 2 more and it just doesn't change the fact that Chattanooga basketball simply has more upside. It has been, and has the the capability to be again, an excellent brand. App State does not. Baseball- start a baseball program if we actually wanted to move up. Easy.Track- I'll give you one of the most irrelevant sports out there that no one follows. They don't even broadcast these events live they are so boring and insignificant. XC is the same thing. Why it is not incorporated into track is beyond me. Football- again, neither program is ready. At least Chattanooga can actually say that they are on the rise rather than in decline. App State missed this boat 5 years ago.

Women's sports is where Chattanooga pulls away. Several ready to compete at the highest level today. Women's basketball and softball as well as Golf. Chattanooga Women's basketball can compete in any conference in the south. They have advanced and hosted NCAA tournament games very recently. If Wes Moore had not taken a few year hiatus this program would be working on somewhere in the neighborhood of 14 out of 15 SOCON titles. They beat the Lady Vols this year at home. Yes, the Lady Vols come to the Roundhouse. Softball has a nationally recognized facility and a long history of SOCON dominance. They could compete in any mid major conference.

Facilities are a major difference here. App State may have great practice facilities, workout facilities etc. Chattanooga has big time venues that can host championship events.

And lastly, the market. Yes Chattanooga has very little support at this time from the community. That will change with the right coach in the basketball program, and 1 trip to the FCS playoffs. Chattanooga has the ability to draw a fan base that can dwarf anything App State could ever draw if they were to move up to an FBS football conference. Finley Stadium is built in a way that makes major expansion possible. App State is tapped out on that front.

I can't believe I actually read this block of utter garbage. Do you not understand that actual results (which I posted) outweigh your biased observations and subjective bull ****? 6>2, man. And I actually did laugh out loud when I read you going on and on about how amazing an consequential your golf team is, only to talk about track and field like its a second rate sport right after. They're exactly the same as far as national interest goes! Are you serious? If it isn't football, basketball or to a lesser extent, baseball, no one cares unless they personally know an athlete participating. If you dropped men's golf entirely, it wouldn't change the value of your athletic department at all because IT DOESN'T MATTER!

Then you vomited another 300 words about women’s sports at UTC. Are we or are we not talking about potential value to another conference (which, I might add is moot and hypothetical since UTC is not on any conference's radar and will likely never be)? You think that men's golf and women's sports make your athletic department, one that doesn't even have the means to sponsor the third most important men's sport of baseball, better than ASU?

You really have some kind of psychosocial disorder. I am not kidding in the least. It is dangerous that a human being is capable of the mental back flips you orchestrate on a daily basis. I feel like you could murder a room full of innocent people and rationalize it with ease.

[chattownmocs]

I can't believe I actually read this block of utter garbage. Do you not understand that actual results (which I posted) outweigh your biased observations and subjective bull ****? 6>2, man. And I actually did laugh out loud when I read you going on and on about how amazing an consequential your golf team is, only to talk about track and field like its a second rate sport right after. They're exactly the same as far as national interest goes! Are you serious? If it isn't football, basketball or to a lesser extent, baseball, no one cares unless they personally know an athlete participating. If you dropped men's golf entirely, it wouldn't change the value of your athletic department at all because IT DOESN'T MATTER!

Then you vomited another 300 words about women’s sports at UTC. Are we or are we not talking about potential value to another conference (which, I might add is moot and hypothetical since UTC is not on any conference's radar and will likely never be)? You think that men's golf and women's sports make your athletic department, one that doesn't even have the means to sponsor the third most important men's sport of baseball, better than ASU?

You really have some kind of psychosocial disorder. I am not kidding in the least. It is dangerous that a human being is capable of the mental back flips you orchestrate on a daily basis. I feel like you could murder a room full of innocent people and rationalize it with ease.

Apply that logic to App State and you will see exactly why no FBS conference has touched you despite years of trying and the biggest conference shift college sports has seen in the last 30 years. No athletic program in the country has struck out half as many times as Appy. It is failure after failure. Door after door has opened only to see programs who you feel are inferior to you slam that door in your greedy little faces. Every conference cares about media market and excellence. They care about football most but unfortunately App doesn't bring football or anything else to the table.

[citdog]

Apply that logic to App State and you will see exactly why no FBS conference has touched you despite years of trying and the biggest conference shift college sports has seen in the last 30 years. No athletic program in the country has struck out half as many times as Appy. It is failure after failure. Door after door has opened only to see programs who you feel are inferior to you slam that door in your greedy little faces. Every conference cares about media market and excellence. They care about football most but unfortunately App doesn't bring football or anything else to the table.



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[Apphole]

Apply that logic to App State and you will see exactly why no FBS conference has touched you despite years of trying and the biggest conference shift college sports has seen in the last 30 years. No athletic program in the country has struck out half as many times as Appy. It is failure after failure. Door after door has opened only to see programs who you feel are inferior to you slam that door in your greedy little faces. Every conference cares about media market and excellence. They care about football most but unfortunately App doesn't bring football or anything else to the table.

Media market or rather lack of physical proximity to a major market is the 1 and only reason we're still having to beat UTC every year instead of ECU. We don't bring football to the table....xlolx.... I think you're getting drool all over your mom's keyboard.

[mountaineer in Cane Land]

well, Huesman went public a couple of weeks ago, crying sour grapes about how his qb coach is leaving for Georgia State, any other HC coach would have kept his mouth shut, but not Huesman, came across as whining and bitter, cant imagine how this helps his image or program. As far as Satterfield, everything so far looks pretty dam good, he took over the offense last year, improved it from 40th to 10th in the nation, number one in the SC. He hired, arguably the best DC in the SC, and so far, his recruitng class has been rock solid, many of the kids with offers from FCS schools. Come talk to me in 4 years if Saterfield cant finish any higher than a "tie" for third or worse in the SC and cant make the playoffs 4 YEARS IN A ROW, then we will have an accurate comparison of the 2 coaches.

[Apphole]

well, Huesman went public a couple of weeks ago, crying sour grapes about how his qb coach is leaving for Georgia State, any other HC coach would have kept his mouth shut, but not Huesman, came across as whining and bitter, cant imagine how this helps his image or program. As far as Satterfield, everything so far looks pretty dam good, he took over the offense last year, improved it from 40th to 10th in the nation, number one in the SC. He hired, arguably the best DC in the SC, and so far, his recruitng class has been rock solid, many of the kids with offers from FCS schools. Come talk to me in 4 years if Saterfield cant finish any higher than a "tie" for third or worse in the SC and cant make the playoffs 4 YEARS IN A ROW, then we will have an accurate comparison of the 2 coaches.

Satterfield will be finishing better than 4th alright. 4th in the Sunbelt.

[chattownmocs]

Media market or rather lack of physical proximity to a major market is the 1 and only reason we're still having to beat UTC every year instead of ECU. We don't bring football to the table....xlolx.... I think you're getting drool all over your mom's keyboard.

Yeah, the Sun Belt really coveted those major Troy, Jonesboro, Bowling Green, and Monroe media markets.

[citdog]

Satterfield will be finishing better than 4th alright. 4th in the Sunbelt.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCb3bgUozh4

[Apphole]

Yeah, the Sun Belt really coveted those major Troy, Jonesboro, Bowling Green, and Monroe media markets.

Those teams were added years before the current trend. Why do you think they added Gay St: the worst sports school in the NCAA?

[Apphole]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCb3bgUozh4

You know he's gay, right? I know how you jews hate the gays. Just letting you know.

[citdog]

Media market or rather lack of physical proximity to a major market.

How to speak Appalachian.

MUSIC CRITIC


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFGcVWeFG8U

[Apphole]

How to speak Appalachian.

MUSIC CRITIC


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFGcVWeFG8U

You live in South Carolina. Hillbilly jokes are not as powerful from you.

[citdog]

You live in South Carolina. Hillbilly jokes are not as powerful from you.


I am of Charleston......A BASTION OF CULTURE, ELEGANCE, AND CLASS SINCE 1670.

[Apphole]

I am of Charleston......A BASTION OF CULTURE, ELEGANCE, AND CLASS SINCE 1670.

Or to spin it another way: Hellacious gateway to hundreds of thousands of slaves, modern slum and humid wasteland.

Damn good shecrab soup though!

[citdog]

Or to spin it another way: Hellacious gateway to hundreds of thousands of slaves, modern slum and humid wasteland.

Damn good shecrab soup though!



it's actually a dump with mosquitoes so big they will carry off babies and malaria is a huge problem. NOBODY should ever come here.

[Apphole]

it's actually a dump with mosquitoes so big they will carry off babies and malaria is a huge problem. NOBODY should ever come here.

At least its better than Chattanooga. What **** hole.

[ASUMountaineer]

that's AWESOME!



no eye contact though

Wouldn't think of it.

[ASUMountaineer]

Do you think a conference would rather add Chattanooga's basketball programs or App State's?

The only conference looking to add for basketball is the A-10. Good luck with that Chatty! xlolx

[ASUMountaineer]

http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0907/bitch-slap-patton-bitch-slap-demotivational-poster-1246570236.jpg

"You're." xsmhx

[citdog]

"You're." xsmhx



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[seantaylor]

I'm glad we aren't seeing GSU players showing up on these lists in big numbers anymore. Monken has this program locked in, and freshman are not needed to be big contributers, and the vast majority are red shirted, just like in the PJ era. Under the last rube of a head coach we had, that was far from the case

[ASUMountaineer]

http://i.qkme.me/3on9w8.jpg

xlolx

BTW, can't be a Nazi, my kid is part Heeb.

[blueballs]

I'm glad we aren't seeing GSU players showing up on these lists in big numbers anymore. Monken has this program locked in, and freshman are not needed to be big contributers, and the vast majority are red shirted, just like in the PJ era. Under the last rube of a head coach we had, that was far from the case

I wish one of the freshman place kickers would have made that list in 2012. GSU might be celebrating #7 if they had.

[PaladinFan]

I wish one of the freshman place kickers would have made that list in 2012. GSU might be celebrating #7 if they had.

Maybe he needed a few more practice kicks and not a two point conversion up big at furman. For want of a nail the kingdom was lost.

[citdog]

Maybe he needed a few more practice kicks and not a two point conversion up big at furman. For want of a nail the kingdom was lost.


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[seantaylor]

I wish one of the freshman place kickers would have made that list in 2012. GSU might be celebrating #7 if they had.

We only had one true frosh kicker. I'm not even really mad at the kid after the first 5 games. With our offense, we shouldn't hardly ever have to kick field goals in the red zone if the distance is less than 6 yards. Something Monken will learn I think. Monken doesn't seem to go for it near as much as PJ, and PJ had some pretty damn good kickers.

[mountaineerman]

Wow, another All-Appalachian team.

No, but what it does show is we are going to be scary good for next few years

[slostang]

Cal Poly Freshman guard Kyle Zottneck had a good year.

[citdog]

No, but what it does show is we are going to be scary good for next few years


we will see how your new coach does. as i have said offensive coordinators don't have win-loss records.

[GlassOnion]

we will see how your new coach does. as i have said offensive coordinators don't have win-loss records.

Sure they do. When a OC looks for a job, the win loss record of his previous employers is certainly included and considered. At least at App. Maybe thats why The Cit cant get over the hump, cant tell the difference between winners and losers?

[citdog]

Sure they do. When a OC looks for a job, the win loss record of his previous employers is certainly included and considered. At least at App. Maybe thats why The Cit cant get over the hump, cant tell the difference between winners and losers?

more delusion from the Beatty Rapers. Jerry Moore won those games at app not the OC.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4YLUVDPFbQ

[Saint3333]

Satterfield is obviously pretty smart. He's an offensive guy so what does he do, go out and get a veteran defensive mind.

The man has grit. He probably isn't in the top 20 QBs from an athletic standpoint that has come through App, but he led the 1995 team to an 11-0 record, the guy is a winner. If App does stay in the SoCon I'd look for the wins and championships to continue.

Good recruiting class shaping up as well.

Satterfield will be 1-0 vs. citadel next year, hell's coming Citdog.

[citdog]

Satterfield is obviously pretty smart. He's an offensive guy so what does he do, go out and get a veteran defensive mind.

The man has grit. He probably isn't in the top 20 QBs from an athletic standpoint that has come through App, but he led the 1995 team to an 11-0 record, the guy is a winner. If App does stay in the SoCon I'd look for the wins and championships to continue.

Good recruiting class shaping up as well.

Satterfield will be 1-0 vs. citadel next year, hell's coming Citdog.


satterfield went to app st. how smart can he be?


can't wait to run you out of the stadium AGAIN.

[GlassOnion]

satterfield went to app st. how smart can he be?


can't wait to run you out of the stadium AGAIN.

Something tells me if the Cit had aquired a coach as successful as Satterfield, you'd be playing a different tune. Jerry Moore may have made the decision to switch to the spread, but Satterfield was huge in implementing it. And after game 1, when JM was seriously considering dropping it and going back to the power I, Satterfield is the one that begged to keep it. Inside of 3 years, Satterfield was running one of the most dynamic offenses in the country.

[citdog]

Something tells me if the Cit had aquired a coach as successful as Satterfield, you'd be playing a different tune. Jerry Moore may have made the decision to switch to the spread, but Satterfield was huge in implementing it. And after game 1, when JM was seriously considering dropping it and going back to the power I, Satterfield is the one that begged to keep it. Inside of 3 years, Satterfield was running one of the most dynamic offenses in the country.


We have a Coach whose resume makes satterfield look like he's applying for a job at 7-11.

[Saint3333]

He's 38-51...

[citdog]

He's 38-51...


Has S.S., those initials ALONE make me wary, taken a team to the FCS Playoffs? Ours has. Has S.S. coached in the NFL? Ours has.

[Saint3333]

But wait before SS didn't have a record, and that is what matters, NOW let's not look at your HC's record. Get back to me when your coach has a .500 record at citadel.

[citdog]

But wait before SS didn't have a record, and that is what matters, NOW let's not look at your HC's record. Get back to me when your coach has a .500 record at citadel.

94-76 isn't too shabby. Get back to me when yours has 1.

[Saint3333]

Guess I'll get to call you first, maybe I'll hear from you by 2015.

[mountaineer in Cane Land]

amazing, the Cit has been, or near the doormat of the SC for the past, 20 years, they finally have a decent season, beat App, and this "citdog" comes out of nowhere to preach to us the "greatness of the Cit progam". Tell you what Citdog, when you actually win a SC championship, or hell even make the playoffs, I will be the first to congraduate you guys. As far as next year, there was a reason we hired the DC from Wofford, he knows how to defend against the T bone, wishbone, hell what ever you call your offense. I got a feeling next year App will not overlook the Cit, and are really going to try and put a huge *** wooping on you guys. Normally, when App gets a big lead on a team, I favor pulling the starters and keeping the score respectable, but next year, against Cit, I have no problem keeping the starters in and scoring as much as possible.

[citdog]

amazing, the Cit has been, or near the doormat of the SC for the past, 20 years, they finally have a decent season, beat App, and this "citdog" comes out of nowhere to preach to us the "greatness of the Cit progam". Tell you what Citdog, when you actually win a SC championship, or hell even make the playoffs, I will be the first to congraduate you guys. As far as next year, there was a reason we hired the DC from Wofford, he knows how to defend against the T bone, wishbone, hell what ever you call your offense. I got a feeling next year App will not overlook the Cit, and are really going to try and put a huge *** wooping on you guys. Normally, when App gets a big lead on a team, I favor pulling the starters and keeping the score respectable, but next year, against Cit, I have no problem keeping the starters in and scoring as much as possible.

i didn't come out of nowhere, although a virgin birth was claimed by my tribe some time ago, I've been here since the beginning.


you didn't "overlook" us.......WE WHIPPED YOUR *** AND DROVE YOUR FANS FROM YOUR STADIUM. LARGEST SKEDDALE ON SOUTHERN SOIL SINCE SECOND MANASSAS!
IT WAS GLORIOUS!

BRING IT ON.....WE'LL BE READY

[CID1990]

Tell you what Citdog, when you actually win a SC championship, or hell even make the playoffs, I will be the first to congraduate you guys.

Both of those things have happened already, Jr.

As for running up the score, good luck with that at JHS. (See your last two visits)

You must have congraduated laude how cum.

[seantaylor]

No, but what it does show is we are going to be scary good for next few years

Maybe you will, but it won't be because of this list. Coulson had to be behind it.

[ASUMountaineer]

more delusion from the Beatty Rapers. Jerry Moore won those games at app not the OC.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4YLUVDPFbQ

You bring that same smack out every time someone criticizes Citadel. xsmhx



See what I did there?

[mountaineer in Cane Land]

Cit guys, got a question, I have been holding back asking it, but since you guys like to talk and seem to have strong opinions, and border line obcessions with everything App, I'm going to ask, how the hell do you not win the SC last year? Look at it, you beat GS and App back to back, hell, after you beat us, I was thinking you guys were the best in the SC and the championship was yours, I mean it was yours for the taking, but yet, somehow, someway, you guys found a way to screw it up. Overall, Apps season was disappointing, but atleast, after get our asses kicked by the Cit, we showed alot of heart and grit, and came back and shared the SC championship, honestly, what the hell happened?

[PaladinFan]

Cit guys, got a question, I have been holding back asking it, but since you guys like to talk and seem to have strong opinions, and border line obcessions with everything App, I'm going to ask, how the hell do you not win the SC last year? Look at it, you beat GS and App back to back, hell, after you beat us, I was thinking you guys were the best in the SC and the championship was yours, I mean it was yours for the taking, but yet, somehow, someway, you guys found a way to screw it up. Overall, Apps season was disappointing, but atleast, after get our asses kicked by the Cit, we showed alot of heart and grit, and came back and shared the SC championship, honestly, what the hell happened?

My opinion is - winner's mentality. I think the answer is the same for both the Citadel and with UTC.

El Cid gave App State the biggest spanking any of us can remember. After the game it was on the Citadel's end "hey, look what we did!" On App's end it was "holy crap, that's not supposed to happen."

At the end of the day, programs learn what it takes to bury the knife. UTC, for instance, has talent but no killer instinct. Their players don't know how to put a game away. That is a developed skill. App's players understand what it takes to win, and understand that getting whallopped at home is unacceptable. They adjust, and ensure that it does not happen again.

I fear that Furman, in particular, has lost that edge. There was a time when Furman expected to win football games. You fall on a couple of rough seasons, and now you don't have anyone on the roster that remembers what its like to close out games in the fourth quarter. What it takes to put the knife in the game. In my opinion, you have to relearn that. Once you have experience doing it, like with App State, that filters from one generation of players to the next. The Citadel and UTC don't have enough experience doing it yet, which is why, in my opinion, they are as talented as any team in the conference, but can't seem to get all the ships heading in the right direction.

I do think that will come with time. I imagine you'll see both make a strong play for the conference in 2013.

[Apphole]

We have a Coach whose resume makes satterfield look like he's applying for a job at 7-11.

Interesting perspective to try and assert that Cidadel has good coaching at all, let alone, better than a juggernaut like ASU. We're talking about a team that had enough talent to beat the two best teams in the conference, only to lose to pretty much every other team in the conference afterwards. That is a symptom of terrible coaching. Likening Citadel to Chatty is a good comparison: good talent coached into mediocrity. Underachieving with superior talent (to a different extent, more talent and less underachieving) is why Jerry is not longer with us. Three consecutive years without a playoff win despite having a top 5 recruiting class every single year is unacceptable.

[PaladinFan]

Interesting perspective to try and assert that Cidadel has good coaching at all, let alone, better than a juggernaut like ASU. We're talking about a team that had enough talent to beat the two best teams in the conference, only to lose to pretty much every other team in the conference afterwards. That is a symptom of terrible coaching. Likening Citadel to Chatty is a good comparison: good talent coached into mediocrity. Underachieving with superior talent (to a different extent, more talent and less underachieving) is why Jerry is not longer with us. Three consecutive years without a playoff win despite having a top 5 recruiting class every single year is unacceptable.

Here's the thing. App State has not been a "juggernaut" since Armanti Edwards left. Since AE graduated, App has won one playoff game.

Juggernauts don't surrender over 1,000 yards and 90 points at home to Wofford and the Citadel, two schools a fraction of App's size with many more recruiting restrictions.

App's a great program. Worlds of respect for them. Still, this is not the same team we saw 4 or 5 years ago. The gap is not that wide anymore between them and the rest of the conference.

[Apphole]

Here's the thing. App State has not been a "juggernaut" since Armanti Edwards left. Since AE graduated, App has won one playoff game.

Juggernauts don't surrender over 1,000 yards and 90 points at home to Wofford and the Citadel, two schools a fraction of App's size with many more recruiting restrictions.

App's a great program. Worlds of respect for them. Still, this is not the same team we saw 4 or 5 years ago. The gap is not that wide anymore between them and the rest of the conference.

Don't get caught up in semantics, man. It's a pretty subjective term. We've won 7 of 8 SoCon rings over the past eight years, call it what you'd like. It doesn't change much about my post. Underachieving with superior talent reflects on coaching. That's one reason Ayers and Woody are so good, overachieving with inferior talent.

[mountaineer in Cane Land]

paladinfan, I agree with everything you are saying, makes alot of sense. I guess in Cit's case, they won 2 games they, if they were being honest with themselves, probably didnt think they would win, and just didnt know how to handle success. The question about Cit is, was this a fluke year, or are they on their way to bigger and better things, I guess we will find out. I think Chatt has bigger problems, there is no doubt, Huesman and his staff has done a great job in improving the quality of players he is recruiting, but they just are not getting the results, ie: making the playoffs, after 3 straight years of underachieving, they have to start wondering if they will ever turn the corner. Personally I think their biggest problem is Huesman is a great defensive coach, maybe the best in the FCS, but as a headcoach he is just average, I base this argument that every year, the unit that keeps holding them back is the offense, the offense doesnt seem to be significently better than when Huesman first got there. As far as Furman, I think the administration sat on its hands and watched while App, Wofford, GS and even Elon, passed them in terms of quality of facilities, and improving game day experience. I remember a time, not long ago, when Furman had the best facilities in the SC. Atleast now you are addressing this problem with the new improvements to the stadium.

[citdog]

Cit guys, got a question, I have been holding back asking it, but since you guys like to talk and seem to have strong opinions, and border line obcessions with everything App, I'm going to ask, how the hell do you not win the SC last year? Look at it, you beat GS and App back to back, hell, after you beat us, I was thinking you guys were the best in the SC and the championship was yours, I mean it was yours for the taking, but yet, somehow, someway, you guys found a way to screw it up. Overall, Apps season was disappointing, but atleast, after get our asses kicked by the Cit, we showed alot of heart and grit, and came back and shared the SC championship, honestly, what the hell happened?

What happened was quite simple. We lost the entire linebacking corps to injury. By the time the Knobs who replaced the starters got their bearings and their feet underneath them it was the end of the season,which we finished quite strong with road victories over our two rivals. What it showed is that we didn't have the depth , yet, to replace our starters with backups and be able to win. The margin is MUCH smaller for us than for anyone else in the SoCon. We return all of our LB's next year and the boys who had to play have the experience and confidence to do so. It's a great problem to have.

[citdog]

Interesting perspective to try and assert that Cidadel has good coaching at all, let alone, better than a juggernaut like ASU. We're talking about a team that had enough talent to beat the two best teams in the conference, only to lose to pretty much every other team in the conference afterwards. That is a symptom of terrible coaching. Likening Citadel to Chatty is a good comparison: good talent coached into mediocrity. Underachieving with superior talent (to a different extent, more talent and less underachieving) is why Jerry is not longer with us. Three consecutive years without a playoff win despite having a top 5 recruiting class every single year is unacceptable.


I'll keep Kevin Higgins and you can keep your question mark.

[ASUMountaineer]

I'll keep Kevin Higgins and you can keep your question mark.

I'll take our question mark over Higgins and his gimmick offense any day. xthumbsupx

[Apphole]

I'll keep Kevin Higgins and you can keep your question mark.

I'll take the best offensive mind in two decades of SoCon play over someone who couldn't find a better job than coaching at second-rate, faux military school.

[citdog]

I'll take the best offensive mind in two decades of SoCon play over someone who couldn't find a better job than coaching at second-rate, faux military school.


Who beat your *** like it was their JOB.

[PaladinFan]

paladinfan, I agree with everything you are saying, makes alot of sense. I guess in Cit's case, they won 2 games they, if they were being honest with themselves, probably didnt think they would win, and just didnt know how to handle success. The question about Cit is, was this a fluke year, or are they on their way to bigger and better things, I guess we will find out. I think Chatt has bigger problems, there is no doubt, Huesman and his staff has done a great job in improving the quality of players he is recruiting, but they just are not getting the results, ie: making the playoffs, after 3 straight years of underachieving, they have to start wondering if they will ever turn the corner. Personally I think their biggest problem is Huesman is a great defensive coach, maybe the best in the FCS, but as a headcoach he is just average, I base this argument that every year, the unit that keeps holding them back is the offense, the offense doesnt seem to be significently better than when Huesman first got there. As far as Furman, I think the administration sat on its hands and watched while App, Wofford, GS and even Elon, passed them in terms of quality of facilities, and improving game day experience. I remember a time, not long ago, when Furman had the best facilities in the SC. Atleast now you are addressing this problem with the new improvements to the stadium.

My honest opinion is that Furman's administration was perfectly content with trying to tightrope a quality product with a smaller budget. I equate it to driving your 15 year old car until literally the wheels fall off. If it still gets you where you want to be, does it need replacing? Of course, the problem is that one day you go out and it doesn't start.

It is no secret that Furman just hid behind its successful program. There were years when Furman quite literally could just show up and win 8 games. Lamb was one of the lowest paid coaches in the league (and is paid substantially more to be the figure head of Mercer football). The stadium was falling apart. Recruiting took a nose dive (it is embarrassing how many scholarship players Furman has that do not even dress for the games).

What I think really made the problem worse is that several programs Furman generally used to outclass, started making the investment, particularly in facilities enhancements. Furman really did finally reach the point of saying "we either need to make the investment, or go do something else." I think with the changeover in the administration, we are really starting to see that ship change course. Better coaches, better recruiting, signing guys that can actually play at this level instead of just fill a roster spot.

It'll take a few years, but Furman will be back. You are starting to see bits and pieces of those Furman teams that used to out-slug you. They are still getting their feet back under them.

[GlassOnion]

Who beat your *** like it was their JOB.

Cant be the Cit. We already know their job. Moving bags in and out of guests rooms. No *** beating there.

[Apphole]

Who beat your *** like it was their JOB.

If that's the case, you would have been fired years ago since this is the first time you actually did what you've been paid to do in a decade. What would a Citadel grad know about having a job anyway? Unless you're talking about a certain "job" every knob has to do for his commanding officer. Rhymes with glow cob.

[citdog]

My honest opinion is that Furman's administration was perfectly content with trying to tightrope a quality product with a smaller budget. I equate it to driving your 15 year old car until literally the wheels fall off. If it still gets you where you want to be, does it need replacing? Of course, the problem is that one day you go out and it doesn't start.

It is no secret that Furman just hid behind its successful program. There were years when Furman quite literally could just show up and win 8 games. Lamb was one of the lowest paid coaches in the league (and is paid substantially more to be the figure head of Mercer football). The stadium was falling apart. Recruiting took a nose dive (it is embarrassing how many scholarship players Furman has that do not even dress for the games).

What I think really made the problem worse is that several programs Furman generally used to outclass, started making the investment, particularly in facilities enhancements. Furman really did finally reach the point of saying "we either need to make the investment, or go do something else." I think with the changeover in the administration, we are really starting to see that ship change course. Better coaches, better recruiting, signing guys that can actually play at this level instead of just fill a roster spot.

It'll take a few years, but Furman will be back. You are starting to see bits and pieces of those Furman teams that used to out-slug you. They are still getting their feet back under them.



42-20

[citdog]

Cant be the Cit. We already know their job. Moving bags in and out of guests rooms. No *** beating there.


carried those bags into the endzone

[citdog]

If that's the case, you would have been fired years ago since this is the first time you actually did what you've been paid to do in a decade. What would a Citadel grad know about having a job anyway? Unless you're talking about a certain "job" every knob has to do for his commanding officer. Rhymes with glow cob.


if we're a bunch of homos at least we are TOPS.

[Apphole]

if we're a bunch of homos at least we are POWER BOTTOMS.

FIFY

[citdog]

FIFY


52-28

it's quite obvious yosef was biting the pillow......

[ASUMountaineer]

Who beat your *** like it was their JOB.

His 1-7 record against ASU is quite impressive. Kudos. That's a whopping .125 winning percentage against ASU. Yup, beating that *** like it was his job. xlolx

[Apphole]

52-28

it's quite obvious yosef was biting the pillow......

Hey man, I'm not sure how often you gay guys switch it up or whatever, and frankly I don't wanna know, but El Cid has been the catcher to our pitcher for a LONG time. Just because things got a little boring in the bedroom last season doesn't mean we won't go right back to prodding your prostate next year and every year we randomly play out of conference in the future.

[chattownmocs]

FCS coordinator-FBS aspiring program. Awesome hire!

[Apphole]

FCS coordinator-FBS aspiring program. Awesome hire!

He was a successful FBS OC before he returned to ASU.

[citdog]

His 1-7 record against ASU is quite impressive. Kudos. That's a whopping .125 winning percentage against ASU. Yup, beating that *** like it was his job. xlolx




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZLdUZvQ8w8

[Apphole]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZLdUZvQ8w8

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxSx3TToD2w1tr9MHDocQkiYR8jmCle SEDgp3xY4fY_7Zdy4oXMw

[chattownmocs]

He was a successful FBS OC before he returned to ASU.

Pretty big leap of faith for a program that is a slam dunk to be in FBS in a few years. Pretty much shows that they know this whole FBS thing is a pipe dream. They'll carry it on as long as they can to raise money and possibly for recruiting.

[citdog]

Hey man, I'm not sure how often you gay guys switch it up or whatever, and frankly I don't wanna know, but El Cid has been the catcher to our pitcher for a LONG time. Just because things got a little boring in the bedroom last season doesn't mean we won't go right back to prodding your prostate next year and every year we randomly play out of conference in the future.

variety is the spice of life.

got invite?

[citdog]

He was a successful FBS OC before he returned to ASU.


toledo and florida international




xlolx

[Apphole]

toledo and florida international




xlolx

Turning each program from two-win teams into perennial post-season programs. Not bad for 1-year and 2-year stays respectively.

[ASUMountaineer]

Faux military college.




xlolx

FIFY

[citdog]

Turning each program from two-win teams into perennial post-season programs. Not bad for 1-year and 2-year stays respectively.


the HEAD COACH is who is responsible.

[Apphole]

Pretty big leap of faith for a program that is a slam dunk to be in FBS in a few years. Pretty much shows that they know this whole FBS thing is a pipe dream.

There is not connection between these two sentences whatsoever outside of your own twisted, delusional brain.

No one here is capable of the mental gymnastics you are, and therefore, will never get the connection.

[ASUMountaineer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZLdUZvQ8w8

We shared the SoCon championship and made the playoffs. Speaking of "what have you done for me lately," when is the last time Citadel won the SoCon and made the playoffs?

[Apphole]

the HEAD COACH is who is responsible.

The HEAD COACH brought in a better OC. Mario Cristobal is the "control" in this experiment.

SATTERFIELD turned FIU from a 3-9 team to a 7-6, 8-5 team and was the only major coaching change in that staff at the time of that major W/L record discrepancy.

Sattefield returned to ASU for the 2012 season and guess who went 3-9 this year...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIU_Panthers_football

[ASUMountaineer]

the HEAD COACH is who is responsible.

The HC that was fired for having a horrible season in 2012?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/06/3127787/fiu-fires-football-coach-cristobal.html

It is interesting that while Satterfield was there they had the only two winning seasons in their history, and the year he leaves they go 3-9 and the HC is fired. Obviously more goes into winning and losing than just the OC calling plays, but it is quite interesting to see the brief uptick and then a return to normalcy.

[citdog]

FIFY

I'll end this type of discussion as I usually do. Faux indeed.



Class Rank First Last Unit Date Battle War Reason
1846 Judah Alexander 1847-06-19 Perote, Mexico Mexican War Battlefield Disease
1846 J. H. Howell Palmetto Regiment 1847-11-06 Puebla, Mexico Mexican War KIA
1846 McBelton O'Nealle 1847-12 Churubrusco, Mexico Mexican War DOW
1846 Col. Charles C. Tew 2nd NC 1862-09-17 Sharpsburg Civil War KIA
1847 Lt. Col. Augustus J. Lythgoe 1st SC 1862-12-31 Stones River, TN Civil War KIA
1848 Pearcall Graham 1847-11-22 Mexico City Mexican War KIA
1849 Lt. Col. Franklin Gaillard 2nd SC 1864-05-06 Wilderness, VA Civil War KIA
1849 Eugene Wilder 1847-08-20 Churubusco, Mexico Mexican War KIA
1850 Cpt. S. N. Kennerly 1st SC 1864-08-21 Weldon RR, VA Civil War KIA
1851 Cpt. Thomas B. Colding Ga. Volun. 1863-06-13 Winchester, VA Civil War KIA
1851 Lt. Col. F. Gendron Palmer Holcombe’s Legion 1862-09-14 2nd Manassas, VA Civil War KIA
1851 Col. Edward J. Walker 3rd Ga. 1864-08-21 Atlanta Civil War KIA
1852 Cpt. W. S. Brewster SCM 17th Reg 1862-12-11 Fredericksburg, VA Civil War KIA
1852 William Davant 1855-10-01 Ft. Duncan, Tx. Indian Wars KIA
1852 Cpt. T. W. Fitzgerald 12th ALA 1864-03-06 Chancellorsville, VA Civil War KIA
1852 Capt. George E. Gamble SCM 3rd Reg 1861-09-14 James Is., SC Civil War KIA
1852 Cpt. H. B. Housel 7th Fla. 1862 Undetermined Civil War Undetermined
1852 Allen H. Little Palmetto Regument 1854-08 Garita de Belen Mexican War WIA
1852 Col. R. A. Palmer 2nd Miss. 1861-07-21 1st Manassas, VA (1st graduate KIA) Civil War KIA
1852 Lt. George Seabrook 1st SC 1861-04-02 Morris Is., SC Civil War Battlefield Disease
1852 Maj. D. T. Williams 2nd SC 1863-07-02 Gettysburg, PA Civil War KIA
1854 Col. D. G. Fleming 22nd SC 1864-07-30 The Crater, VA Civil War MIA
1854 Cpt. C. T. Haskell 1st SC 1863-07-10 Morris Is., SC Civil War KIA
1854 BG Micah Jenkins Army of No. VA 1864-05-06 Wilderness, VA Civil War KIA
1854 Cpt. J. S. Palmer 10th SC 1864-07-22 Atlanta, GA Civil War KIA
1855 Cpt. J. M. Dean 7 ARK. 1862-04-07 Shiloh, TN Civil War KIA
1856 Cpt. J. A. Evans 1864-06-27 Kinnesaw Mt., TN Civil War KIA
1856 Maj. J. A. Finch 6th SC 1862-08-30 2nd Manassas, VA Civil War KIA
1856 Cpt. J. H. Hart 12th SC 1862-09-14 So. Mt., MD Civil War KIA
1856 Col. J. D. Nance 3rd SC 1864-05-06 Wilderness, VA Civil War KIA
1856 Cpt. George A. Ross Ark. Vol. 1861 Undetermined Civil War KIA
1857 Col. C. W. McCreary 1st SC 1865-05-31 Gravely Run, SC Civil War KIA
1857 Col. William D. Rutherford 3rd SC 1864-10-13 Strasburg, VA Civil War KIA
1859 James E. Delorme Undetermined Undetermined Civil War Undetermined
1859 Cpt. James L. Litchfield 7th SC 1862-09-13 2nd Manassas, VA Civil War KIA
1859 T. O. McCaslan 1st SC 1862-08-30 2nd Manassas, VA Civil War KIA
1859 Lt. G. M. McDowell 2nd SC 1863-07-03 Gettysburg, PA Civil War KIA
1859 Col. William H. J. Mitchell 17th SC 1864-06-18 Petersburg, VA (1st MIA) Civil War MIA
1859 Maj. W. P. Shooter 1st SC 1864-05-12 Spotsylvania, PA Civil War KIA
1859 Col. O. J. Youmans 2nd SC 1864-05-06 Wilderness, VA Civil War KIA
1860 Lt William Alisson __ 1862-05-04 Unknown Civil War KIA
1860 Frank DeCardeuc 1st SC 1863-11-03 Staunton, VA Civil War Battlefield Disease
1860 Maj. E. A. Erwin 1st SC 1863-09-07 Morris Island, SC Civil War KIA
1860 Capt. Francis H. Harleston 1st SC 1863-11-24 Ft. Sumter, SC Civil War KIA
1860 2/Lt. S. S. Kirby Palmetto Light Artillery 1865-02-02 Rivers Bridge, SC Civil War KIA
1860 2/Lt. Joshua Moses 3rd Palmetto 1865-04-09 Ft. Blakely, Al. Civil War KIA
1860 Cpt. J. Nettles 10th SC 1863-01-14 Undetermined Civil War Died while POW
1861 Lt Robert S. Bryce 1863-09-22 Chicamauga, GA Civil War KIA
1861 1/Lt. James H. Burns 6th NC 1863-07-02 Gettysburg, PA Civil War KIA
1861 D. P. Campbell 11th SC 1862-10-22 Pocataglio, SC Civil War KIA
1861 Lt. J. J. Coward 5th SC 1862-06-01 Seven Pines, VA Civil War KIA
1861 Capt. Randall Croft 16th SC SOW CADET 1862-07-26 Aiken, SC Civil War Battlefield disease
1861 1/Lt James Horlbeck 3rd SC Arty SOW Cadet died from wounds 13 Jan 1866 Avasboro, NC Civil War WIA
1861 1/Lt. John Dosier Lee 9th SCV 1862-06-30 Gaines Mill, VA Civil War KIA
1861 J. C. Palmer 24th SC 1863-09-19 Chicamauga, GA Civil War KIA
1861 Maj. John Marshall Whilden 23rd SC SOW Cadet 1862-08-30 2nd Manassas, VA Civil War KIA
1861 Nicholas Wilson 12th SC 1862-09-17 Sharpsburg, MD Civil War KIA
1861 T. H. Wylie 6th SC Died of wounds1865-11-17 Seven Pines, VA 1862-06-05 Civil War WIA
1862 Lt Thomas B. Alisson __ Died of wounds1866-10 In Virginia Civil War WIA 1865
1862 Cpt. G. B. Dyer 2nd SC 1864-06-01 Cold Harbor, VA Civil War KIA
1862 Capt. G. M. Lalane 25th SC 1863-07-30 James Island, SC Civil War KIA
1862 Cadet Ranger G. A McDowell 6th SC 1864-02-09 Johns Island, SC Civil War KIA
1862 William McKewn 5th SC 1863-12-14 Fredericksburg, VA Civil War KIA
1862 Lt. J. T. Norris 19th SC 1863-01-10 Stones River, TN Civil War KIA
1863 2/Lt. John A. Craig 21st SC 1864-05-16 Drury's Bluff, VA Civil War KIA
1863 J. B. Dotterer 24th SC 1864-05-24 New Hope Church, GA Civil War KIA
1863 Cadet Ranger John S. Dutart 6th SC Cavalry 1864-02-09 Johns Island, SC Civil War KIA
1863 William Gregg 21st SC 1863-06-29 Gaines Mill, VA Civil War KIA
1863 P. Hamilton 24th SC 1863-09-19 Chickamauga, GA Civil War KIA
1863 Col. M. B. Humphrey 6th SC "Cadet Ranger" 1865-04-30 Bentonville, NC Civil War KIA
1863 John C. Neil Palmetto Sharpshooters 1862-08-30 2nd Manassas, VA Civil War KIA
1863 "Cadet Ranger" W. J. Nettles 6th SC Cavalry 1864-10-27 Franklin, TN Civil War KIA
1863 Maj. T.A. Quattlebaum 7th SC SOW Cadet 1864-07-30 The Crater, VA Civil War MIA
1863 William Mason Smith 27th SC 1864-06-01 Cold Harbor, VA Civil War KIA
1864 Cadet Ranger A.W. Dozier 6th SC 1869-06-02 POW Confinment Civil War Died from POW wounds
1864 Cpt. A. F. Miller 1st SC 1864-11-30 Petersburg, VA Civil War KIA
1864 "Cadet Ranger" James O. Sheppard 6th SC 1864-06-12 Trevilian Station, VA Civil War KIA
1864 Cadet Ranger Joseph Willingham __ Jan 1865 Fayettville, NC Civil War KIA
1865 "Cadet Ranger" Ross Davis 6th SC 1864-06-12 Petersburg Civil War KIA
1865 George W. McKenzie 2nd SC 1864-01-04 Mt. Jackson, VA Civil War KIA
1865 R. F. Nichols add 7th SC 1864-12-10 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1865 W. J. B. Patterson Battalion of State Cadets 1864-12-07 Tulifinny Creek, SC (first cadet KIA) Civil War KIA
1866 John Culbreath 7th SC 1865-04-17 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1866 B. T. Gibbs 16th SC 1864-03-12 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1866 H. S. Morrison 1863-08-16 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1866 William Ravenel 1863-08-23 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1867 Brooks 6th SC Cavalry 1864-06-12 Civil War KIA
1867 Joseph P. Huger Manigaults Battalion 1864-04-13 Ft. Sumter, SC Civil War KIA
1867 Joseph E. Sams 8th SC 1865-03-22 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1868 Albert O. Brown 26th SC 1865-01-29 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1868 George O. Buck 7th SC 1865-01-22 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1868 William Goodwin 1873-05-04 Red River area Indian Wars KIA
1868 George Grant 18th SC 1865-03-21 Bentonville, NC Civil War MIA
1868 Thomas Albert Johnson 7th SC 1865-03-23 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1868 Osma Knox 1864-11-28 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1868 Johnnie C. Mangrum 26th SC 1866 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Wounds
1868 Robert E. Muldrow 25th SC 1865-04-07 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1868 Russell Noble 7th SC 1865-01-12 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1868 W. McKenzie Parker Battalion of State Cadets 1865-05-09 Williamston, SC (last confederate death) Civil War KIA
1908 CDRE James Alexander Logan USN 1943-09-04 over Northern Ireland World War II KIA
1908 Maj. Robert Henry Willis, Jr. Aircorps 1918-09-13 France World War I Friendly fire
1909 1/Lt. W. A. Mulloy 1918-12-24 France World War I Hostile fire
1912 Lt. William Montague Nicholls British Artillery 1915-08-26 Loos, France World War I Hostile fire
1914 1/Lt. John Hodges David 18th Inf. 1918-04-01 Ansuuile, France World War I Hostile fire
1915 Cpt. James Hill Holmes USA 1918-07-19 Soissons, France World War I Hostile fire
1916 2/Lt. James Karl Bolton USMC 1917-01-10 San Pedro de Mancoris, Dominican Republic U.S. Expeditionary Force/Central America, 1916-1933 KIA
1916 Maj. William Byrd USMC 1928-03-09 Esteli, Nicaragua U.S. Expeditionary Force/Central America, 1916-1933 KIA
1916 MAJ Wade Rushton Cothran, Jr. USA 1945-01-22 Died on Jap POW ship World War II KIA/POW
1916 Cpt. Julius Andrew Mood, Jr. USA 1918-07-21 Soissons, France. World War I Hostile fire
1916 1/Lt. George Hampton Yarborough, Jr. USMC 1918-06-27 Belleau Wood, France World War I Hostile fire
1917 1/Lt_ Robert James Cochran 8th Aero Sqdn. 1918-10-10 France World War I Shot down/Toul, Fr.
1917 Lt. Arthur Thomas Elmore 1918-07-13 Belleau Wood, France World War I Hostile fire
1917 1/Lt. Richard G. Howard USMC 1919-08-14 Yuma, Dominican Republic U.S. Expeditionary Force/Central America, 1916-1933 KIA
1926 CPT Wilton Earl Davis USA 1944-12-25 DNB France World War II KIA
1927 CPT Robert Clark Hale USA 1944-08-12 France World War II KIA
1928 CPT Joseph Lynn McCarthy USA 1945-01-09 Died in Philippine Islands World War II KIA/POW
1929 MAJ Thomas Dry Howie USA 1944-07-17 St Lo, France, CO, 3rd Bn/116th Inf/29th Div World War II KIA
1929 LT Perry Moses Phelps USN 1945-03-10 DNB accident, Oran, Algeria World War II KIA
1929 Maj Lu Shu-Chin Chinese Army 1938 Kunming, China World War II died of injuries
1929 COL George Roland Weeks USMC 1945-01-30 Died on prison ship enroute to Japan World War II KIA/POW
1930 1LT Forrest Hugh Coleman, Jr. USA 1944-11-20 Ardennes, Belgium World War II KIA
1931 PVT William Francis Boyd USMC 1945-02-27 Iwo Jima World War II KIA/MIA
1931 TSGT George Bryan French USAAC 1943-04-23 over North Africa World War II KIA/MIA
1931 MAJ Albert K. Godwin USA 1944-12-15 Died in Philippine Islands World War II KIA/POW
1931 1LT Albert Starke Hagood USA 1945-03-23 crossing Rhine River, Germany World War II KIA
1931 LDCR Allard Barnwell Heyward USN 1944-06-06 D-Day, Normandy, France World War II KIA/MIA
1931 CPT Joseph Barre Traywick USA 1944-11-08 Germany, D-Day veteran World War II KIA
1932 1LT Alexander Beaty Sherard USA 1943-07-14 DOW South Pacific World War II KIA
1933 1LT Pope Lott Browne USAAC 1944-10-24 Died on Arisan Maru enroute to Japan World War II KIA/POW
1933 1LT Benjamin Henry Ivey USA 1945-01-09 France World War II KIA
1933 1LT Allen Jones Jervey, Jr. USA 1942-06-17 DOW Pacific World War II KIA
1933 FLT LT Charles Pritchard Lesesne RCAF 1945-03-31 over Luneburg. Germany World War II KIA
1933 1LT Franklin Merle Shaw USA 1944-04-20 Nurmea, New Caldonia World War II KIA
1934 CPT Arthur Calvin Griffin, Jr. USA 1944-08-07 France World War II KIA
1934 PVT Beverly W. Mitchell USA 1942-11-21 DNB SW Pacific World War II KIA
1935 2LT Harry Grimshaw Bowers USA 1943-12-21 Italy World War II KIA
1935 CPT George Brown Gregory, Jr. USA 1945-05-06 Okinawa World War II KIA
1936 1LT Wade Hampton Britt, Jr. USMC 1943-04-13 South Pacific World War II KIA
1936 2LT James Tredway Dixon USA 1944-07-27 St Lo, France World War II KIA
1936 SGT Furman Henry Finklea USA 1944-08-30 Normandy, France World War II KIA
1936 1LT Ralph Palmer Ford, Jr. USA 1944-12-15 Died on Enowra Maru enroute to Japan World War II KIA/POW
1936 ENS Claude Jackson Gasque, Jr. USNR 1943-08-10 Lost aboard USS Quincy (CA-39) at Guadalcanal World War II KIA/MIA
1937 2LT Grady Cannon Corley USA 1944-06-05 Myitkyiana, Burma World War II KIA
1937 MAJ James Lee Land USA 1943-10-04 Italy World War II KIA
1937 Cpt Maxwell Farmer Parrott USA 1944-12-04 Unknown location World War II KIA
1937 LTC Tom Mulloy Trotti USMC 1945-02-22 Iwo Jima World War II KIA
1938 CPT Stephen Munger Byars, Jr. USA 1944-12-15 Died in Philippine Islands World War II KIA/POW
1938 COX Eugene Rice Cowan USN 1944-04-28 Atlantic World War II KIA
1938 LCDR Robert Cleveland Evins USN 1944-06-17 over South Pacific World War II KIA/MIA
1938 BG Charles Jack Girard USA 1970-01-17 Gia Dinh, RVN Vietnam Illness
1938 1LT Roy Hamilton Long, Jr. USAAC 1945-04-29 over Pacific World War II KIA
1938 LT Jack Alger Mahony, Jr. USN 1943-07-01 Pacific World War II KIA/MIA
1938 LTC George Bray McMillan USAAC 1944-06-24 over Pingsang,China ( Flying Tigers) World War II KIA
1938 Capt Manning Lionel Nelson, Jr. USN 1945-04-28 Kerema Islands (off Okinawa) World War II KIA
1938 BG Tang Tieh Chin Chinese Army 04/1944 China World War II KIA
1939 1LT Harold Bradford Chandler, Jr. USA 1942-12-05 Phillipines World War II KIA
1939 CPT Clough Farrar Gee, III USA 1944-06-07 D-Day +1, Normandy, France World War II KIA
1939 1LT Thomas Edward Goodson, Jr. USA 1944-06-14 over France World War II KIA/MIA
1939 2LT Ernest Scott Haile, II USA 1944-09-07 Died on Shinyo Maru enrouye to Japan World War II KIA/POW
1939 1LT Richard Brady Knapp USA 1944-08-23 France World War II KIA
1939 2LT George Rhea Land, Jr. USAAC 1943-04-02 over La Fauconnerie, Tunisia World War II KIA
1939 LT Peter Nicholas Meros USNR 1945-06-07 Pacific World War II KIA/MIA
1939 1LT Lindsay Baker Milikin USA 1943-09-14 DOW Pacific World War II KIA
1939 1LT Edwin Karl Newman USA 1945-02-26 Europe World War II KIA
1939 1LT Ernest Ferdinand Peschau, Jr. USAAC 1944-06-08 Died in Philippine Islands World War II KIA/POW
1939 2LT Harry Ferrell Stallings, Jr. USAAC 1945-04-16 over Guam World War II KIA/MIA
1939 PVT Henry Major Taylor USA 1944-06-06 D-Day, Normandy, France, 82nd AB Div World War II KIA
1939 1LT Frank Leslie Vernon USA 1945-05-29 Okinawa World War II KIA
1940 1LT Henry Liles Allen USAAC 1944-02-25 over Germany on 1st combat mission World War II KIA
1940 1LT Joseph Andrews USAAC 1944-08-15 over France World War II KIA
1940 2LT Alton Houston Bryant USAAC 1944-12-15 Died on Oryoku Maru enroute to Japan World War II KIA/POW
1940 2LT Joseph Plowden Cole USAAC 1942-07-15 over Australia World War II KIA/MIA
1940 2LT Charles Herbert Cooper USAAC 1942-08-28 over Alaska World War II KIA/MIA
1940 1LT Peter Franklin Cureton, Jr. USAAC 1944-11-21 over France World War II KIA
1940 2LT John Shipp Daniel USAAC 1942-10-27 Died in Philippine Islands World War II KIA/POW
1940 1LT Walter Guy Efird, Jr. USA 1944-09-07 Died in Philippine Islands World War II KIA/POW
1940 MAJ William Haselden Ellerbe USA 1945-05-26 over Pacific (Body not recovered) World War II KIA/MIA
1940 2LT William Herbert Ellis, Jr. USA 1945-01-09 Ardennes, Belgium, Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1940 1LT Wilson Glover, III USAAC 1945-01-27 Died in Philippine Islands World War II KIA/POW
1940 1LT Francis Vernon Lael USAAC 1944-04-05 over Italy World War II KIA/MIA
1940 1LT John Thomas Leonard, Jr. USA 1944-12-13 Died in Philippine Islands World War II KIA/POW
1940 1LT Landon Dwight Long USAAC 1942-06-03 over Lashio, Burma World War II KIA/MIA
1940 CPT Thomas Hutson Martin, Jr. USA 1945-02-08 DOW France World War II KIA
1940 1LT John Bernard Mayes USAAC 1942-12-18 over Tunis, Tunisia World War II KIA
1940 2LT John Isaac Moore, III USA 1944-10-24 Died on Arisan Maru enroute to Japan World War II KIA/POW
1940 LTC Julius Elliot O'Neal USAF 1951-10-23 MIA over Inchon, South Korea, still MIA Korean War KIA/MIA
1940 1LT Rufus Alexander Oliphant, Jr. USAAC 1943-02-15 over Europe World War II KIA/MIA
1940 1LT Walter Scott Strong, Jr. USA 1945-02-02 Died on Brazil Maru enroute to Japan World War II KIA/POW
1940 CPT James Goodlett Thornton, Jr. USA 1944-09-14 Europe World War II KIA/MIA
1941 1LT Herbert B. Bass USMC 1943-03-05 Guadalcanel World War II KIA
1941 1LT Herman B. Brown, Jr. USA 1943-09-06 New Guinea World War II KIA
1941 CPL William Henderson Coffield, Jr. USAAC 1942-07-09 Died at Calauag Tayabas, Phillipines World War II KIA/POW
1941 2LT Richard Furman Dabbs USMC 1942-09-15 over Caribbean World War II KIA/MIA
1941 ENS Charles Emil Eichenberger, Jr. USN 1942-09-12 over the Solomans, DE-202 named for him World War II KIA
1941 1LT Walter Raymond Erness USAAC 1942-09-13 over North Africa World War II KIA
1941 ENS Herman John Gerdes, Jr. USN 1944-07-02 Lost aboard sub USS Robaco (SS-273) World War II KIA/MIA
1941 SSG Jack Willis Holt USAAC 1943-10-16 over New Guinea World War II KIA
1941 1LT Thomas Lea Hutchings, Jr. USA 1944-09-16 Europe with 28th Division World War II KIA
1941 1LT Clark Lewis Knotts USA 1944-08-06 France World War II KIA
1941 1LT John Catlett Martin USAAC 1943-01-07 over New Guinea World War II KIA
1941 1LT Benjamin Willis Mills, Jr. USA 1944-09-07 Paliseul, Belgium World War II KIA
1941 LTJG Harry Hampton Salley USN 1944-05-20 DOW Brooklyn Naval Hospital World War II KIA
1941 CPT Jerome Chris Serros USAAC 1944-11-02 over Europe World War II KIA
1941 SGT Charles Henry Sims USA 1945-07-12 DOW near Manila, Phillipines World War II KIA
1941 MAJ William Kirkland Stewart USMC 1945-02-25 Pacific World War II KIA/MIA
1941 1LT William Robert Werden, Jr. USAAC 1942-12-15 over Herbert River Australia World War II KIA
1941 ENS Henry Purefoy Whitehurst, Jr. USN 1942-08-09 Lost aboard USS Astoria; DE-634 named for him World War II KIA/MIA
1941 1LT Charles Clarence Young, Jr. USAAC 1944-03-23 over Oldenburg, Germany World War II KIA
1942 1LT Burt Williams Andrews, Jr. USA 1946-11-03 DOW received in battle - Naples-Foggia, Italy World War II KIA
1942 1LT Robert Moffatt Brice USA 1944-06-06 D-Day, Pointe du Hoc, 2nd Ranger Bn World War II KIA
1942 1LT Joseph Dexter Brown, Jr. USA 1944-06-25 DOW Italy World War II KIA
1942 1LT William Gadsden Daniels USAAC 1944-10-06 over Germany World War II KIA/MIA
1942 CPT William Jacob DeWitt USA 1945-02-18 DOW received in battle - Italy World War II KIA
1942 1LT Roy Robin English, Jr. USAAC 1945-03-22 over Heidelberg, Germany (55th mission) World War II KIA
1942 CPT Thomas Brown Gautier, Jr. USA 1944-12-09 DOW Europe World War II KIA
1942 CPL Theodore Hanford USA 1944-12-25 Ardennes, Belgium, Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1942 1LT Gilmer Herriott Holton, Jr. USAAC 1942-06-07 over Battle of Midway World War II KIA/MIA
1942 CPT Norwood Thomas Jenkins USA 1944-02-17 DNB Battlefield Disease - New Guinea World War II KIA
1942 1LT Franklyn Madden Ketchum USA 1944-08-16 France World War II KIA
1942 CPT Ralph Emory Kibler, Jr. USAAC 1944-05-11 over France World War II KIA
1942 PFC Gordon Ackly Littlefield USMC 1951-03-17 South Korea Korean War KIA
1942 1LT Roland Louis Luerich, Jr. USA 1944-06-04 DOW Italy World War II KIA
1942 CPT James Lawrence Manning USA 1944-12-21 over Bleialf, Germany World War II KIA
1942 1LT Harold Burris Morse USAAC 1945-02-04 over China World War II KIA
1942 CPT Robert Edward Poland USAAC 1943-04-04 over Liberia, North Africa World War II KIA/MIA
1942 CPT Hugh Corbin Rogers USAAC 1944-12-21 over China World War II KIA/MIA
1942 1LT William Milling Royall USA 1944-11-19 Europe World War II KIA
1942 1LT Fred Burnham Shifflet, Jr. USAAC 1943-03-03 over Battle of the Bismark Sea World War II KIA/MIA
1943 2LT James Theodore Baugh USMC 1945-02-24 Iwo Jima World War II KIA
1943 LTJG Frederick William Beidelman, Jr. USNR 1944-10-26 Soloman Islands World War II KIA/MIA
1943 2LT Jesse Wooten Booker, III USMC 1944-08-27 Tinian World War II KIA
1943 2LT John Russell Ferris USMC 1945-02-23 Iwo Jima World War II KIA
1943 1LT Jack Johnston Foster USA 1945-01-06 Ardennes, Belgium, Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1943 1LT John Hobson Franks USAAC 1944-12-31 over Japan World War II KIA/MIA
1943 1LT Harry Vance Johnson, Jr. USA 1945-04-03 Germany World War II KIA
1943 2LT Robert Edward Murphy USAAC 1943-11-02 Rabaul, New Britain World War II KIA/MIA
1943 2LT Bruce Curtis Robbins USA 1945-01-03 Ardennes, Belgium, Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1943 2LT Martin Frederick Schnibben, Jr. USA 1945-02-12 DOW while German POW, previously MIA World War II KIA/POW
1943 CPT Molten Ancrum Shuler, Jr. USA 1952-08-24 Chorwon, North Korea WIA 6/16/52 Korean War KIA
1943 CPL William Cleveland Whitley, Jr. USA 1944-11-04 France World War II KIA
1944 1LT George Blalock Browning USA 1945-01-04 Ardennes, Belgium, Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1944 PFC Thompson Gallety Dicks USA 1944-06-06 D-Day, Omaha Beach, 116 Inf/29 Div World War II KIA
1944 2LT Richard Louis Engel USAAC 1944-12-31 over Germany World War II KIA
1944 SGT Owen Willoughby Fields, Jr. USA 1944-07-13 Normandy, France, 22nd Inf/4th Div World War II KIA
1944 2LT Creswell Garlington, Jr. USA 1944-12-03 Ardennes, Belgium, Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1944 CPL Woodfin Grady Gaston, Jr. USA 1945-01-19 France World War II KIA
1944 1LT Walter Edward Gibson USA 1944-06-11 France World War II KIA
1944 1LT Ralph Alexander Hardee USA 1944-08-09 Brittany, France World War II KIA
1944 1LT Enon Walter Harvey, Jr. USAAC 1945-07-13 over Bonin Islands World War II KIA/MIA
1944 1LT William Alvin Henson, II USAAC 1944-09-28 over Magdeburg, Germany World War II KIA
1944 2LT Caswell Marbury Higgs USA 1945-03-28 Germany World War II KIA
1944 2LT Arthur Bradlee Hunt, Jr. USA 1944-11-21 Europe World War II KIA
1944 SGT John Evans James, Jr. USA 1944-12-25 Germany World War II KIA
1944 PFC Harvey Robert Kolker USA 1945-01-10 Ardennes, Belgium, Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1944 1LT Richard Lee Mann USAAC 1944-04-20 over France World War II KIA
1944 CPT William Kennedy Mauldin USAF 1952-02-21 over Sinan-ri, North Korea Korean War KIA
1944 1LT Archibald Solomon Mills, Jr. USAAC 1943-09-21 over South Pacific World War II KIA
1944 2LT Edwin Browning Moore USA 1945-03-01 Belgium World War II KIA
1944 PFC William John Nally USAAC 1945-06-25 Mindoro Island, Phillipines World War II KIA
1944 1LT Richard Paul Padgett USA 1945-04-30 South Pacific World War II KIA
1944 1LT Paul Richardson USAAC 1944-06-27 over Europe World War II KIA
1944 1LT Herman Franklin Ridenour USAAC 1944-04-10 over Yangkai AB, China World War II KIA
1944 SGT Marvin Roth USA 1945-04-25 Germany World War II KIA
1944 1LT Albert Harold Sims USAAC 1945-03-28 over Chungking, China World War II KIA/MIA
1944 2LT Samuel Rigby Sprott, Jr. USAAC 1944-03-20 over Germany (Body not recovered) World War II KIA/MIA
1944 1LT Charles Marion Thirlkeld, Jr. USA 1945-01-03 Ardennes, Belgium, Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1944 1LT Richard Harry Whitaker USAAC 1944-06-30 over Lake Balaton, Hungary World War II KIA
1945 PFC Andrew Nourse Alexander, Jr USA 1945-08-10 DNB Battlefield Disease - Kunming, China World War II KIA
1945 CPL Joseph Altomari USA 1945-05-10 DNB Germany World War II KIA
1945 SSG Hugh Van Der Veer Batchelder USA 1945-01-01 Phillipsbourg, France World War II KIA
1945 CPL Robert Alexander Bates USA 1944-11-03 Holland World War II KIA
1945 PFC Frederick Scott Campbell, Jr. USAAC 1945-05-26 over Tokyo, Japan World War II KIA
1945 PFC Archelaus Augustus Drake, III USA 1944-12-05 Ratzweiller, France World War II KIA
1945 SSGT Griffeth Harrison Fort USAAC 1944-12-17 over Deutsch-Lieben, Czechoslovakia World War II KIA
1945 1LT Henry David Fulmer, Jr. USAAC 1944-12-19 over Europe World War II KIA
1945 2LT James Guy Gilbert, Jr. USAAC 1944-12-23 over Germany World War II KIA
1945 PVT Harry Frierson Hendry, Jr. USA 1945-01-13 Luxembourg World War II KIA
1945 1LT James Culpeper Hill, Jr. USAAC 1945-02-20 over Kawasakia, Japan World War II KIA/MIA
1945 SSGT Lucius Joseph Jumper USAAC 1945-01-02 over Pacific World War II KIA/MIA
1945 PVT Vestal Malone USA 1946-01-05 DOW suffered during The Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1945 S1C Joy McDowell Marriott, Jr. USN 1945-05-03 Lost aboard Sub USS Lagarto SS-371) off Malay World War II KIA/MIA
1945 1LT Frederick Davenport Melton USA 1944-10-03 Holland World War II KIA
1945 PVT James Hollenbeck Morehouse, Jr. USA 1945-03-18 Germany World War II KIA
1945 PFC John Wilber Peterson USA 1945-03-06 Germany World War II KIA
1945 PVT David Prichard Pilson USMC 1945-04-10 Okinawa World War II KIA
1945 PFC Marion Stuckey USA 1945-01-04 Europe World War II KIA
1945 1LT John Mason Whiting Stulz USAAC 1945-08-01 over China/Burma/India Theater World War II KIA/MIA
1945 PFC Wilson Adelbert Wendt USA 1945-04-11 Germany World War II KIA
1945 1LT Jack Brinson Whitaker USMC 1944-12-31 South Pacific World War II KIA
1946 SSG Raleigh Blackwell Batten USAAC 1945-03-11 over Germany World War II KIA
1946 1LT William Beattie Bendure USA 1945-01-27 Sinz, Germany World War II KIA
1946 Richard Burns 1944-09-01 over Southern France World War II KIA/MIA
1946 2LT Thomas E. Campbell, Jr. USAAC 1945-03-24 over Germany World War II KIA
1946 SGT Frank William Cantillion USA 1944-05-02 Italy World War II KIA
1946 PVT Ross L. Carmichael USA 1944-02-23 Italy (Body not recovered) World War II KIA/MIA
1946 SGT Gerald Richard Casey USMC 1945-02-21 Iwo Jima World War II KIA
1946 SGT Edward Gray Cherry, Jr. USA 1945-03-15 Germany World War II KIA
1946 CPL John Henry Cotter USMC 1945-02-19 Iwo Jima World War II KIA
1946 PVT Walter Steele Covington, Jr. USA 1944-12-09 Vossenack, Germany World War II KIA
1946 1LT Joseph Ambrose Doyle, Jr. USAAC 1945-04-28 over Italy World War II KIA
1946 PFC Joseph Gibbs Ferrel USA 1944-11-17 Aachen, Germany World War II KIA
1946 SGT John Lawrence Glynn, Jr. USA 1945-01-28 Belgium World War II KIA
1946 SGT Jule Hancock, Jr. USAAC 1944-10-14 over Yugoslavia (Body not recovered) World War II KIA/MIA
1946 SSGT James William Hendon, Jr. USAAC 1945-03-01 over Belgium World War II KIA
1946 PFC Harry Bell Launius, Jr. USA 1945-01-27 Nenning, Germany World War II KIA
1946 PVT John Bunyan McMillan, Jr. USA 1944-12-30 Nenning, Germany World War II KIA
1946 1LT Richard Heilman Metzger USAAC 1945-05-12 over Germany World War II KIA
1946 PVT Fielding Jessup Nelson USA 1944-06-02 Anzio Beachhead World War II KIA
1946 SSG Kingsley Robert Pearse USA 1944-11-14 France World War II KIA
1946 2LT John Eugene Pound USAF 1952-02-22 over Tsu Bu, South Korea Korean War KIA
1946 SGT James Calvin Raymond USAAC 1945-04-02 over Germany World War II KIA
1946 PFC James Davis Rembert USA 1945-04-14 Germany World War II KIA
1946 1LT David Albert Robins USAAC 1944-07-21 over Salsburg, Austria World War II KIA/MIA
1946 SSG Robert Cowan Rolph USA 1945-02-25 Haverhof, Germany World War II KIA
1946 PVT Waverly Owen Skidmore USA 1944-10-13 Germany World War II KIA
1946 SGT Henry Sylvain Solomon USAAC 1945-03-10 over Tokyo, Japan World War II KIA/MIA
1946 CPL William Arthur Teague, II USAAC 1945-07-01 over Japan World War II KIA
1946 PVT Charles Alister Witsell, Jr. USA 1944-05-26 Italy World War II KIA
1946 SSG Thomas Franklin Woodhead USA 1944-12-10 Obergrich, Germany World War II KIA
1946 PFC John Kenneth Zahn, Jr. USA 1944-09-11 France World War II KIA/MIA
1947 2LT Solomon Lee Van Meter, III USMC 1953-07-09 South Korea Korean War KIA
1948 PVT Thomas Edward Hinton, Jr. USMC 1945-12-05 North China World War II KIA
1948 1LT Wesley Hartwell Johnson USA 1950-07-27 Hadong, South Korea Korean War KIA
1949 2LT Frank Elwood Bloomenshine USA 1950-08-25 South Korea Korean War KIA
1949 1LT James Futrell Exley USA 1951-04-05 North Korea Korean War KIA
1949 1LT William Calvin Hall USA 1951-04-25 Uijonbu, South Korea Korean War KIA
1949 1LT John William Hill, Jr. USMC 1952-09-10 over Pohang, South Korea Korean War KIA
1949 1LT Edmund Jones Lilly, III USA 1950-09-03 South Korea Korean War KIA
1949 2LT Edward Rutledge Ravenel, III USA 1950-09-05 Hill 303, South Korea Korean War KIA
1950 1LT Herman Louis Falk, Jr. USA 1951-05-31 Died while POW (2/12/51) Korean War KIA/POW
1950 1LT William Henry McLellan USA 1951-09-19 North Korea Korean War KIA
1950 2LT William Kendrick Mordecai USA 1950-11-15 Wonsan Harbor, South Korea Korean War KIA
1950 1LT Clyde P. Padgett, Jr. USA 1951-01-03 Seoul, South Korea Korean War KIA
1950 1LT Richard Tarlton Smock USA 1951-06-06 Chollyon-Dong North Korea DSC Korean War KIA
1951 1LT Bob Pearce Cannon USAF 1952-12-04 over Suwon AF, South Korea Korean War KIA
1951 1LT James Franklin Davis USAF 1953-05-10 over South Korea Korean War KIA/MIA
1951 PVT William Clyde Fowler USA 1951-01-30 South Korea Korean War KIA
1951 1LT Myrth Jimmie Killingsworth USA 1952-10-14 North Korea Korean War KIA
1951 LTC Rodolph Lee Nunn, Jr. USAF 1968-06-06 Quang Tri, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1951 2LT Thomas Preston Pearce USA 1952-08-12 North Korea Korean War KIA
1951 MAJ Sam Michael Savas, Jr. USA 1965-10-12 RVN Vietnam Stroke
1951 SGT Desmond K. Wilkerson USAF 1950-11-28 over Sinanjo AF, North Korea Korean War KIA
1952 MAJ Amos Oliver Fox USAF 1968-04-23 Ninh Thuan, RVN Vietnam Air loss
1952 MAJ Richard Herman Schmidt USA 1966-05-17 RVN Vietnam Ground
1952 LTC William Robert Spillers USAF 1969-12-17 Binh Duong, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1956 CPT Donald Bryant Button USAF 1968-05-24 Thailand Vietnam Air loss
1956 LTC Robert Henry Carter, Jr. USA 1969-05-27 Kontum, RVN Vietnam Ground
1956 MAJ Leo Michael Donker USA 1966-04-03 RVN Vietnam Ground
1956 MAJ Roger Lee Graham USA 1969-06-10 Quang Nam, RVN Vietnam Ground
1957 MAJ James Westley Ayers USMC 1967-05-26 Quang Tri, RVN Vietnam Ground
1957 CPT Terry Denver Cordell USA 1962-10-15 RVN Vietnam Shot down
1957 CPT Thomas Joseph Margle USAF 1968-02-15 Ninh Thuan, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1958 1LT Raymond Edgar Doyle, Jr. USAF 1963-04-12 Thailand Vietnam Air loss
1959 CPT Clarence Larry Moorer USA 1963-12-12 RVN Vietnam Shot down
1959 CPT Hugh Reavis Nelson USA 1966-06-05 RVN Vietnam Shot down
1959 CPT David John Wick Widder USA 1965-03-24 RVN Vietnam Shot down
1959 MAJ William Esley Wood, Jr. USAF 1971-04-21 Quang Tri, RVN Vietnam Air loss
1960 CPT John Werner Carlson USAF 1966-12-07 Tay Ninh, RVN Vietnam MIA/Shot down
1961 LCDR Jere Alen Barton USN 1970-06-07 Kien Tuong, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1961 MAJ Samuel Richard Bird USA 1984-10-18 Bong Son, RVN Vietnam WIA Jan 27, '67
1961 MAJ James Terry Jackson USAF 1972-03-23 Laos Vietnam MIA/Shot down
1961 CPT Benjamin Edward Kelly, Jr. USA 1967-08-30 Bihn Dinh, RVN Vietnam Ground
1961 CPT Thomas Curtis Metsker USA 1965-11-14 Ia Drang Valley, RVN Vietnam Ground
1961 CPT William David Howsa Ragin USA 1964-08-20 Kien Hoa,RVN Vietnam Ground
1961 MAJ David Bruce Tucker USA 1967-10-01 RVN Vietnam Shot down
1962 CPT William Forman Abernethy USA 1967-07-21 Long Khanh, RVN Vietnam Ground
1962 CPT Henry Albert Deutsch USA 1965-05-11 RVN Vietnam Ground
1962 CPT Thomas Simcock Hubbell USMC 1967-12-27 Thua Thien, RVN Vietnam Ground
1962 CPT Kurt Lloyd Kuhns, Sr. USA 1967-09-08 RVN Vietnam Air loss
1962 CPT Richard Edward Legate USA 1967-03-25 RVN Vietnam Ground
1962 CPT William Daniel Sands, III USA 1967-03-22 Pleiku, RVN Vietnam Ground
1962 Capt William A. Thomas USAF 1972-04-21 RVN Vietnam Air Loss
1963 CPT Sam Festis Beach, Jr. USAF 1968-01-17 Quang Tri, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1963 2/Lt. Davis J. Boardman USA 1968-02-01 Ground Long An, RVN Vietnam KIA
1963 MAJ Robert Gerald Hunter USAF 1966-05-25 over Ban-Ban,Laos Vietnam Shot down
1963 1LT Richard Mershon Milikin, III USAF 1967-08-20 North Vietnam Vietnam MIA/Shot down
1963 2LT Phillip Jacob Moog USA 1966-08-10 RVN Vietnam Ground
1963 Unk Viruch Tangnoi RTA 1968-06-25 Unknown Vietnam Royal Thai Army?
1964 CPT Charles Edward Heine USA 1969-01-03 RVN Vietnam Shot down
1964 CPT Anthony George Prior USA 1968-05-27 Binh Long, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1964 2LT Richard James Regan USMC 1965-08-11 Quang Nam, RVN Vietnam Ground
1964 1LT James Clinton Tarkenton, III USA 1967-03-19 Binh Duong, RVN Vietnam Ground
1964 1LT William Judson Thomason USA 2006-01-15 0 Vietnam WIA Nov '66
1964 1LT Hugh William Wellons USA 1966-10-13 RVN Vietnam Ground
1965 2LT Joseph Cyril Missar, Jr. USMC 1966-05-06 Quang Nam, RVN Vietnam Ground
1965 1LT Frank Monroe Murphy USA 1966-12-07 RVN Vietnam Ground
1965 MAJ Woodrow Wilson Parker, II USAF 1968-04-24 North Vietnam Vietnam Shot down
1965 1LT Arthur Clifton Retzlaff USA 1967-07-10 Kontum RVN Vietnam Ground
1966 1LT Stephen Winfield Davis USA 1967-08-18 Quang Tin, RVN Vietnam Ground
1966 CPT Thomas Walter Foy USA 1968-05-15 Binh Dinh, RVN Vietnam Ground
1966 2LT John Luther Fuller, Jr. USMC 1967-03-23 Quang Nam, RVN Vietnam Ground
1966 CPT Fred Orr Jackson, Jr. USA 1969-09-05 Binh Long, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1966 1LT Mark Mac Donald Serrem USA 1968-01-31 Pleiku, RVN Vietnam Ground
1967 1LT Fred Joshua Carter USAF 1969-11-05 Khanh Hoa, RVN Vietnam Air loss
1967 CPT Glenn Richard Cook USAF 1969-10-21 Ninh Thuan, RVN Vietnam MIA/Shot down
1967 2LT Frederick Young Holjes USA 1968-03-22 Thua Thien, RVN Vietnam Ground
1967 HM2 William Livingston Mc Cormick USN 1969-03-07 Quang Nam, RVN Vietnam Ground
1967 CPT George Louis Miner USA 1969-08-17 Thua Thien, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1967 SGT Thomas Duckett O'Connor USMC 1968-01-03 Quang Nam, RVN Vietnam Ground
1967 1LT Richard William O'Keefe USAF 1971-02-11 Ninh Thuan, RVN Vietnam Air loss
1967 CPT George Thomas Taylor, Jr. USA 1971-05-21 Quang Tri, RVN Vietnam Ground
1967 1LT Bruce Richard Welge USA 1969-01-26 RVN Vietnam Ground
1968 CPT Barry Kenneth Allmond USAF 1972-05-11 Binh Long, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1968 CPT Ronald Anthony Ashe USAF 1972-07-30 U-Tapao RTAFB, Thailand Vietnam Air loss
1968 1LT John Fredrick Bradman USA 1970-02-18 Phuoc Long, RVN Vietnam Accident
1968 1LT Carl Alfred Peterson USA 1969-08-10 Thua Thien, RVN Vietnam Ground
1968 1LT Kenneth Martin Schlie USA 1970-10-20 Quang Ngai, RVN Vietnam Air loss
1968 1LT Charles E. Suprenant, Jr. USAF 1970-04-02 Dak Seang, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1968 CPT Robert Francis Woodhouse, Jr. USA 1970-07-07 Thua Thien, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1969 1LT Christopher L. Clearwaters USA 1971-02-20 Phuoc Long, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1969 CPT Joe Wofford Eubanks USA 1972-06-02 Pleiku, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1969 CPT Carter Avery Howell USAF 1972-03-07 Saravane, Laos Vietnam MIA/Shot down
1969 WO1 Ephriam Rutledge Liles, II USA 1969-07-04 Phuoc Long, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1969 1LT Richard Glenn Repole USA 1970-07-08 Quang Ngai, RVN Vietnam Ground
1969 SSG Robert Francis Scherdin USA 1968-12-29 Cambodia Vietnam MIA/Ground
1977 CPT Michael F. Ritz USA 1983-10-26 Calliste, Grenada, 82nd Airborne Grenada KIA
1981 1LT Charles Jeffrey Schnorf USMC 1983-10-23 USMC Barracks, Beirut, Lebanon Lebanon KIA
1984 CPT Mario J. Fajardo USA 1991-02-26 Desert Storm, 27th ENG Bn (combat) (airborne) 20th ENG BDE Persian Gulf War KIA
1985 LTC Chad Buehring USA 2003-10-26 Baghdad, Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
1985 MSG Robert V. Derenda USA 2005-08-05 Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
1987 Officer Arsenio Domingo Jr. CPD 2006-01-07 Over Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
1989 CPT Patrick McKenna USA 1994-04-14 Over northern Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
1993 CPT Christopher Kenny USA 2004-05-03 Baghdad, Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
1996 CPT Benjamin Sammis USMC 2003-04-05 Over central Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
1997 CPT Daniel W. Eggers USA 2004-05-29 Afghanistan War on Terrorism KIA
1997 MAJ Brian Michael Mescall USA 2009-01-09 Jaldak, Afghanistan War on Terrorism KIA
1998 LTJG Peter Ober USN 2003-07-16 In air crash returning from combat War on Terrorism KIA
2001 1LT Shane Childers USMC 2003-03-21 Ramallah Oil Fields, Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
2001 1LT Dan Thomas Malcom USMC 2004-11-10 Fallujah, Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
2004 1LT Almar Fitzgerald USMC 2006-02-21 Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
2004 Capt Warren A. Frank USMC 2008-11-25 Biaj, Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
2004 Capt Ryan Hall USAF 2012-02-18 Killed during combat op in Afghanistan War on Terrorism KIA
2004 1/Lt Ryan Rawl SC Army National Guard 20 June 2012 Khost, Afghanistan War on Terrorism KIA
2005 1LT Joshua Booth USMC 2006-10-17 Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
2005 LCPL Timothy Creager USMC 2004-07-01 Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
2007 Sgt. Aaron Whitman USA 2013-01-10 Nangarhar Province, Afghanistan War on Terrorism KIA
2009 LCPL Jonathan A. Taylor USMC 2009-12-01 Helmand province of Afghanistan War on Terrorism KIA

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FIFY

I'll end this type of discussion as I usually do. Faux indeed.



Class Rank First Last Unit Date Battle War Reason
1846 Judah Alexander 1847-06-19 Perote, Mexico Mexican War Battlefield Disease
1846 J. H. Howell Palmetto Regiment 1847-11-06 Puebla, Mexico Mexican War KIA
1846 McBelton O'Nealle 1847-12 Churubrusco, Mexico Mexican War DOW
1846 Col. Charles C. Tew 2nd NC 1862-09-17 Sharpsburg Civil War KIA
1847 Lt. Col. Augustus J. Lythgoe 1st SC 1862-12-31 Stones River, TN Civil War KIA
1848 Pearcall Graham 1847-11-22 Mexico City Mexican War KIA
1849 Lt. Col. Franklin Gaillard 2nd SC 1864-05-06 Wilderness, VA Civil War KIA
1849 Eugene Wilder 1847-08-20 Churubusco, Mexico Mexican War KIA
1850 Cpt. S. N. Kennerly 1st SC 1864-08-21 Weldon RR, VA Civil War KIA
1851 Cpt. Thomas B. Colding Ga. Volun. 1863-06-13 Winchester, VA Civil War KIA
1851 Lt. Col. F. Gendron Palmer Holcombe’s Legion 1862-09-14 2nd Manassas, VA Civil War KIA
1851 Col. Edward J. Walker 3rd Ga. 1864-08-21 Atlanta Civil War KIA
1852 Cpt. W. S. Brewster SCM 17th Reg 1862-12-11 Fredericksburg, VA Civil War KIA
1852 William Davant 1855-10-01 Ft. Duncan, Tx. Indian Wars KIA
1852 Cpt. T. W. Fitzgerald 12th ALA 1864-03-06 Chancellorsville, VA Civil War KIA
1852 Capt. George E. Gamble SCM 3rd Reg 1861-09-14 James Is., SC Civil War KIA
1852 Cpt. H. B. Housel 7th Fla. 1862 Undetermined Civil War Undetermined
1852 Allen H. Little Palmetto Regument 1854-08 Garita de Belen Mexican War WIA
1852 Col. R. A. Palmer 2nd Miss. 1861-07-21 1st Manassas, VA (1st graduate KIA) Civil War KIA
1852 Lt. George Seabrook 1st SC 1861-04-02 Morris Is., SC Civil War Battlefield Disease
1852 Maj. D. T. Williams 2nd SC 1863-07-02 Gettysburg, PA Civil War KIA
1854 Col. D. G. Fleming 22nd SC 1864-07-30 The Crater, VA Civil War MIA
1854 Cpt. C. T. Haskell 1st SC 1863-07-10 Morris Is., SC Civil War KIA
1854 BG Micah Jenkins Army of No. VA 1864-05-06 Wilderness, VA Civil War KIA
1854 Cpt. J. S. Palmer 10th SC 1864-07-22 Atlanta, GA Civil War KIA
1855 Cpt. J. M. Dean 7 ARK. 1862-04-07 Shiloh, TN Civil War KIA
1856 Cpt. J. A. Evans 1864-06-27 Kinnesaw Mt., TN Civil War KIA
1856 Maj. J. A. Finch 6th SC 1862-08-30 2nd Manassas, VA Civil War KIA
1856 Cpt. J. H. Hart 12th SC 1862-09-14 So. Mt., MD Civil War KIA
1856 Col. J. D. Nance 3rd SC 1864-05-06 Wilderness, VA Civil War KIA
1856 Cpt. George A. Ross Ark. Vol. 1861 Undetermined Civil War KIA
1857 Col. C. W. McCreary 1st SC 1865-05-31 Gravely Run, SC Civil War KIA
1857 Col. William D. Rutherford 3rd SC 1864-10-13 Strasburg, VA Civil War KIA
1859 James E. Delorme Undetermined Undetermined Civil War Undetermined
1859 Cpt. James L. Litchfield 7th SC 1862-09-13 2nd Manassas, VA Civil War KIA
1859 T. O. McCaslan 1st SC 1862-08-30 2nd Manassas, VA Civil War KIA
1859 Lt. G. M. McDowell 2nd SC 1863-07-03 Gettysburg, PA Civil War KIA
1859 Col. William H. J. Mitchell 17th SC 1864-06-18 Petersburg, VA (1st MIA) Civil War MIA
1859 Maj. W. P. Shooter 1st SC 1864-05-12 Spotsylvania, PA Civil War KIA
1859 Col. O. J. Youmans 2nd SC 1864-05-06 Wilderness, VA Civil War KIA
1860 Lt William Alisson __ 1862-05-04 Unknown Civil War KIA
1860 Frank DeCardeuc 1st SC 1863-11-03 Staunton, VA Civil War Battlefield Disease
1860 Maj. E. A. Erwin 1st SC 1863-09-07 Morris Island, SC Civil War KIA
1860 Capt. Francis H. Harleston 1st SC 1863-11-24 Ft. Sumter, SC Civil War KIA
1860 2/Lt. S. S. Kirby Palmetto Light Artillery 1865-02-02 Rivers Bridge, SC Civil War KIA
1860 2/Lt. Joshua Moses 3rd Palmetto 1865-04-09 Ft. Blakely, Al. Civil War KIA
1860 Cpt. J. Nettles 10th SC 1863-01-14 Undetermined Civil War Died while POW
1861 Lt Robert S. Bryce 1863-09-22 Chicamauga, GA Civil War KIA
1861 1/Lt. James H. Burns 6th NC 1863-07-02 Gettysburg, PA Civil War KIA
1861 D. P. Campbell 11th SC 1862-10-22 Pocataglio, SC Civil War KIA
1861 Lt. J. J. Coward 5th SC 1862-06-01 Seven Pines, VA Civil War KIA
1861 Capt. Randall Croft 16th SC SOW CADET 1862-07-26 Aiken, SC Civil War Battlefield disease
1861 1/Lt James Horlbeck 3rd SC Arty SOW Cadet died from wounds 13 Jan 1866 Avasboro, NC Civil War WIA
1861 1/Lt. John Dosier Lee 9th SCV 1862-06-30 Gaines Mill, VA Civil War KIA
1861 J. C. Palmer 24th SC 1863-09-19 Chicamauga, GA Civil War KIA
1861 Maj. John Marshall Whilden 23rd SC SOW Cadet 1862-08-30 2nd Manassas, VA Civil War KIA
1861 Nicholas Wilson 12th SC 1862-09-17 Sharpsburg, MD Civil War KIA
1861 T. H. Wylie 6th SC Died of wounds1865-11-17 Seven Pines, VA 1862-06-05 Civil War WIA
1862 Lt Thomas B. Alisson __ Died of wounds1866-10 In Virginia Civil War WIA 1865
1862 Cpt. G. B. Dyer 2nd SC 1864-06-01 Cold Harbor, VA Civil War KIA
1862 Capt. G. M. Lalane 25th SC 1863-07-30 James Island, SC Civil War KIA
1862 Cadet Ranger G. A McDowell 6th SC 1864-02-09 Johns Island, SC Civil War KIA
1862 William McKewn 5th SC 1863-12-14 Fredericksburg, VA Civil War KIA
1862 Lt. J. T. Norris 19th SC 1863-01-10 Stones River, TN Civil War KIA
1863 2/Lt. John A. Craig 21st SC 1864-05-16 Drury's Bluff, VA Civil War KIA
1863 J. B. Dotterer 24th SC 1864-05-24 New Hope Church, GA Civil War KIA
1863 Cadet Ranger John S. Dutart 6th SC Cavalry 1864-02-09 Johns Island, SC Civil War KIA
1863 William Gregg 21st SC 1863-06-29 Gaines Mill, VA Civil War KIA
1863 P. Hamilton 24th SC 1863-09-19 Chickamauga, GA Civil War KIA
1863 Col. M. B. Humphrey 6th SC "Cadet Ranger" 1865-04-30 Bentonville, NC Civil War KIA
1863 John C. Neil Palmetto Sharpshooters 1862-08-30 2nd Manassas, VA Civil War KIA
1863 "Cadet Ranger" W. J. Nettles 6th SC Cavalry 1864-10-27 Franklin, TN Civil War KIA
1863 Maj. T.A. Quattlebaum 7th SC SOW Cadet 1864-07-30 The Crater, VA Civil War MIA
1863 William Mason Smith 27th SC 1864-06-01 Cold Harbor, VA Civil War KIA
1864 Cadet Ranger A.W. Dozier 6th SC 1869-06-02 POW Confinment Civil War Died from POW wounds
1864 Cpt. A. F. Miller 1st SC 1864-11-30 Petersburg, VA Civil War KIA
1864 "Cadet Ranger" James O. Sheppard 6th SC 1864-06-12 Trevilian Station, VA Civil War KIA
1864 Cadet Ranger Joseph Willingham __ Jan 1865 Fayettville, NC Civil War KIA
1865 "Cadet Ranger" Ross Davis 6th SC 1864-06-12 Petersburg Civil War KIA
1865 George W. McKenzie 2nd SC 1864-01-04 Mt. Jackson, VA Civil War KIA
1865 R. F. Nichols add 7th SC 1864-12-10 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1865 W. J. B. Patterson Battalion of State Cadets 1864-12-07 Tulifinny Creek, SC (first cadet KIA) Civil War KIA
1866 John Culbreath 7th SC 1865-04-17 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1866 B. T. Gibbs 16th SC 1864-03-12 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1866 H. S. Morrison 1863-08-16 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1866 William Ravenel 1863-08-23 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1867 Brooks 6th SC Cavalry 1864-06-12 Civil War KIA
1867 Joseph P. Huger Manigaults Battalion 1864-04-13 Ft. Sumter, SC Civil War KIA
1867 Joseph E. Sams 8th SC 1865-03-22 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1868 Albert O. Brown 26th SC 1865-01-29 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1868 George O. Buck 7th SC 1865-01-22 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1868 William Goodwin 1873-05-04 Red River area Indian Wars KIA
1868 George Grant 18th SC 1865-03-21 Bentonville, NC Civil War MIA
1868 Thomas Albert Johnson 7th SC 1865-03-23 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1868 Osma Knox 1864-11-28 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1868 Johnnie C. Mangrum 26th SC 1866 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Wounds
1868 Robert E. Muldrow 25th SC 1865-04-07 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1868 Russell Noble 7th SC 1865-01-12 Undetermined Civil War Battlefield Disease
1868 W. McKenzie Parker Battalion of State Cadets 1865-05-09 Williamston, SC (last confederate death) Civil War KIA
1908 CDRE James Alexander Logan USN 1943-09-04 over Northern Ireland World War II KIA
1908 Maj. Robert Henry Willis, Jr. Aircorps 1918-09-13 France World War I Friendly fire
1909 1/Lt. W. A. Mulloy 1918-12-24 France World War I Hostile fire
1912 Lt. William Montague Nicholls British Artillery 1915-08-26 Loos, France World War I Hostile fire
1914 1/Lt. John Hodges David 18th Inf. 1918-04-01 Ansuuile, France World War I Hostile fire
1915 Cpt. James Hill Holmes USA 1918-07-19 Soissons, France World War I Hostile fire
1916 2/Lt. James Karl Bolton USMC 1917-01-10 San Pedro de Mancoris, Dominican Republic U.S. Expeditionary Force/Central America, 1916-1933 KIA
1916 Maj. William Byrd USMC 1928-03-09 Esteli, Nicaragua U.S. Expeditionary Force/Central America, 1916-1933 KIA
1916 MAJ Wade Rushton Cothran, Jr. USA 1945-01-22 Died on Jap POW ship World War II KIA/POW
1916 Cpt. Julius Andrew Mood, Jr. USA 1918-07-21 Soissons, France. World War I Hostile fire
1916 1/Lt. George Hampton Yarborough, Jr. USMC 1918-06-27 Belleau Wood, France World War I Hostile fire
1917 1/Lt_ Robert James Cochran 8th Aero Sqdn. 1918-10-10 France World War I Shot down/Toul, Fr.
1917 Lt. Arthur Thomas Elmore 1918-07-13 Belleau Wood, France World War I Hostile fire
1917 1/Lt. Richard G. Howard USMC 1919-08-14 Yuma, Dominican Republic U.S. Expeditionary Force/Central America, 1916-1933 KIA
1926 CPT Wilton Earl Davis USA 1944-12-25 DNB France World War II KIA
1927 CPT Robert Clark Hale USA 1944-08-12 France World War II KIA
1928 CPT Joseph Lynn McCarthy USA 1945-01-09 Died in Philippine Islands World War II KIA/POW
1929 MAJ Thomas Dry Howie USA 1944-07-17 St Lo, France, CO, 3rd Bn/116th Inf/29th Div World War II KIA
1929 LT Perry Moses Phelps USN 1945-03-10 DNB accident, Oran, Algeria World War II KIA
1929 Maj Lu Shu-Chin Chinese Army 1938 Kunming, China World War II died of injuries
1929 COL George Roland Weeks USMC 1945-01-30 Died on prison ship enroute to Japan World War II KIA/POW
1930 1LT Forrest Hugh Coleman, Jr. USA 1944-11-20 Ardennes, Belgium World War II KIA
1931 PVT William Francis Boyd USMC 1945-02-27 Iwo Jima World War II KIA/MIA
1931 TSGT George Bryan French USAAC 1943-04-23 over North Africa World War II KIA/MIA
1931 MAJ Albert K. Godwin USA 1944-12-15 Died in Philippine Islands World War II KIA/POW
1931 1LT Albert Starke Hagood USA 1945-03-23 crossing Rhine River, Germany World War II KIA
1931 LDCR Allard Barnwell Heyward USN 1944-06-06 D-Day, Normandy, France World War II KIA/MIA
1931 CPT Joseph Barre Traywick USA 1944-11-08 Germany, D-Day veteran World War II KIA
1932 1LT Alexander Beaty Sherard USA 1943-07-14 DOW South Pacific World War II KIA
1933 1LT Pope Lott Browne USAAC 1944-10-24 Died on Arisan Maru enroute to Japan World War II KIA/POW
1933 1LT Benjamin Henry Ivey USA 1945-01-09 France World War II KIA
1933 1LT Allen Jones Jervey, Jr. USA 1942-06-17 DOW Pacific World War II KIA
1933 FLT LT Charles Pritchard Lesesne RCAF 1945-03-31 over Luneburg. Germany World War II KIA
1933 1LT Franklin Merle Shaw USA 1944-04-20 Nurmea, New Caldonia World War II KIA
1934 CPT Arthur Calvin Griffin, Jr. USA 1944-08-07 France World War II KIA
1934 PVT Beverly W. Mitchell USA 1942-11-21 DNB SW Pacific World War II KIA
1935 2LT Harry Grimshaw Bowers USA 1943-12-21 Italy World War II KIA
1935 CPT George Brown Gregory, Jr. USA 1945-05-06 Okinawa World War II KIA
1936 1LT Wade Hampton Britt, Jr. USMC 1943-04-13 South Pacific World War II KIA
1936 2LT James Tredway Dixon USA 1944-07-27 St Lo, France World War II KIA
1936 SGT Furman Henry Finklea USA 1944-08-30 Normandy, France World War II KIA
1936 1LT Ralph Palmer Ford, Jr. USA 1944-12-15 Died on Enowra Maru enroute to Japan World War II KIA/POW
1936 ENS Claude Jackson Gasque, Jr. USNR 1943-08-10 Lost aboard USS Quincy (CA-39) at Guadalcanal World War II KIA/MIA
1937 2LT Grady Cannon Corley USA 1944-06-05 Myitkyiana, Burma World War II KIA
1937 MAJ James Lee Land USA 1943-10-04 Italy World War II KIA
1937 Cpt Maxwell Farmer Parrott USA 1944-12-04 Unknown location World War II KIA
1937 LTC Tom Mulloy Trotti USMC 1945-02-22 Iwo Jima World War II KIA
1938 CPT Stephen Munger Byars, Jr. USA 1944-12-15 Died in Philippine Islands World War II KIA/POW
1938 COX Eugene Rice Cowan USN 1944-04-28 Atlantic World War II KIA
1938 LCDR Robert Cleveland Evins USN 1944-06-17 over South Pacific World War II KIA/MIA
1938 BG Charles Jack Girard USA 1970-01-17 Gia Dinh, RVN Vietnam Illness
1938 1LT Roy Hamilton Long, Jr. USAAC 1945-04-29 over Pacific World War II KIA
1938 LT Jack Alger Mahony, Jr. USN 1943-07-01 Pacific World War II KIA/MIA
1938 LTC George Bray McMillan USAAC 1944-06-24 over Pingsang,China ( Flying Tigers) World War II KIA
1938 Capt Manning Lionel Nelson, Jr. USN 1945-04-28 Kerema Islands (off Okinawa) World War II KIA
1938 BG Tang Tieh Chin Chinese Army 04/1944 China World War II KIA
1939 1LT Harold Bradford Chandler, Jr. USA 1942-12-05 Phillipines World War II KIA
1939 CPT Clough Farrar Gee, III USA 1944-06-07 D-Day +1, Normandy, France World War II KIA
1939 1LT Thomas Edward Goodson, Jr. USA 1944-06-14 over France World War II KIA/MIA
1939 2LT Ernest Scott Haile, II USA 1944-09-07 Died on Shinyo Maru enrouye to Japan World War II KIA/POW
1939 1LT Richard Brady Knapp USA 1944-08-23 France World War II KIA
1939 2LT George Rhea Land, Jr. USAAC 1943-04-02 over La Fauconnerie, Tunisia World War II KIA
1939 LT Peter Nicholas Meros USNR 1945-06-07 Pacific World War II KIA/MIA
1939 1LT Lindsay Baker Milikin USA 1943-09-14 DOW Pacific World War II KIA
1939 1LT Edwin Karl Newman USA 1945-02-26 Europe World War II KIA
1939 1LT Ernest Ferdinand Peschau, Jr. USAAC 1944-06-08 Died in Philippine Islands World War II KIA/POW
1939 2LT Harry Ferrell Stallings, Jr. USAAC 1945-04-16 over Guam World War II KIA/MIA
1939 PVT Henry Major Taylor USA 1944-06-06 D-Day, Normandy, France, 82nd AB Div World War II KIA
1939 1LT Frank Leslie Vernon USA 1945-05-29 Okinawa World War II KIA
1940 1LT Henry Liles Allen USAAC 1944-02-25 over Germany on 1st combat mission World War II KIA
1940 1LT Joseph Andrews USAAC 1944-08-15 over France World War II KIA
1940 2LT Alton Houston Bryant USAAC 1944-12-15 Died on Oryoku Maru enroute to Japan World War II KIA/POW
1940 2LT Joseph Plowden Cole USAAC 1942-07-15 over Australia World War II KIA/MIA
1940 2LT Charles Herbert Cooper USAAC 1942-08-28 over Alaska World War II KIA/MIA
1940 1LT Peter Franklin Cureton, Jr. USAAC 1944-11-21 over France World War II KIA
1940 2LT John Shipp Daniel USAAC 1942-10-27 Died in Philippine Islands World War II KIA/POW
1940 1LT Walter Guy Efird, Jr. USA 1944-09-07 Died in Philippine Islands World War II KIA/POW
1940 MAJ William Haselden Ellerbe USA 1945-05-26 over Pacific (Body not recovered) World War II KIA/MIA
1940 2LT William Herbert Ellis, Jr. USA 1945-01-09 Ardennes, Belgium, Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1940 1LT Wilson Glover, III USAAC 1945-01-27 Died in Philippine Islands World War II KIA/POW
1940 1LT Francis Vernon Lael USAAC 1944-04-05 over Italy World War II KIA/MIA
1940 1LT John Thomas Leonard, Jr. USA 1944-12-13 Died in Philippine Islands World War II KIA/POW
1940 1LT Landon Dwight Long USAAC 1942-06-03 over Lashio, Burma World War II KIA/MIA
1940 CPT Thomas Hutson Martin, Jr. USA 1945-02-08 DOW France World War II KIA
1940 1LT John Bernard Mayes USAAC 1942-12-18 over Tunis, Tunisia World War II KIA
1940 2LT John Isaac Moore, III USA 1944-10-24 Died on Arisan Maru enroute to Japan World War II KIA/POW
1940 LTC Julius Elliot O'Neal USAF 1951-10-23 MIA over Inchon, South Korea, still MIA Korean War KIA/MIA
1940 1LT Rufus Alexander Oliphant, Jr. USAAC 1943-02-15 over Europe World War II KIA/MIA
1940 1LT Walter Scott Strong, Jr. USA 1945-02-02 Died on Brazil Maru enroute to Japan World War II KIA/POW
1940 CPT James Goodlett Thornton, Jr. USA 1944-09-14 Europe World War II KIA/MIA
1941 1LT Herbert B. Bass USMC 1943-03-05 Guadalcanel World War II KIA
1941 1LT Herman B. Brown, Jr. USA 1943-09-06 New Guinea World War II KIA
1941 CPL William Henderson Coffield, Jr. USAAC 1942-07-09 Died at Calauag Tayabas, Phillipines World War II KIA/POW
1941 2LT Richard Furman Dabbs USMC 1942-09-15 over Caribbean World War II KIA/MIA
1941 ENS Charles Emil Eichenberger, Jr. USN 1942-09-12 over the Solomans, DE-202 named for him World War II KIA
1941 1LT Walter Raymond Erness USAAC 1942-09-13 over North Africa World War II KIA
1941 ENS Herman John Gerdes, Jr. USN 1944-07-02 Lost aboard sub USS Robaco (SS-273) World War II KIA/MIA
1941 SSG Jack Willis Holt USAAC 1943-10-16 over New Guinea World War II KIA
1941 1LT Thomas Lea Hutchings, Jr. USA 1944-09-16 Europe with 28th Division World War II KIA
1941 1LT Clark Lewis Knotts USA 1944-08-06 France World War II KIA
1941 1LT John Catlett Martin USAAC 1943-01-07 over New Guinea World War II KIA
1941 1LT Benjamin Willis Mills, Jr. USA 1944-09-07 Paliseul, Belgium World War II KIA
1941 LTJG Harry Hampton Salley USN 1944-05-20 DOW Brooklyn Naval Hospital World War II KIA
1941 CPT Jerome Chris Serros USAAC 1944-11-02 over Europe World War II KIA
1941 SGT Charles Henry Sims USA 1945-07-12 DOW near Manila, Phillipines World War II KIA
1941 MAJ William Kirkland Stewart USMC 1945-02-25 Pacific World War II KIA/MIA
1941 1LT William Robert Werden, Jr. USAAC 1942-12-15 over Herbert River Australia World War II KIA
1941 ENS Henry Purefoy Whitehurst, Jr. USN 1942-08-09 Lost aboard USS Astoria; DE-634 named for him World War II KIA/MIA
1941 1LT Charles Clarence Young, Jr. USAAC 1944-03-23 over Oldenburg, Germany World War II KIA
1942 1LT Burt Williams Andrews, Jr. USA 1946-11-03 DOW received in battle - Naples-Foggia, Italy World War II KIA
1942 1LT Robert Moffatt Brice USA 1944-06-06 D-Day, Pointe du Hoc, 2nd Ranger Bn World War II KIA
1942 1LT Joseph Dexter Brown, Jr. USA 1944-06-25 DOW Italy World War II KIA
1942 1LT William Gadsden Daniels USAAC 1944-10-06 over Germany World War II KIA/MIA
1942 CPT William Jacob DeWitt USA 1945-02-18 DOW received in battle - Italy World War II KIA
1942 1LT Roy Robin English, Jr. USAAC 1945-03-22 over Heidelberg, Germany (55th mission) World War II KIA
1942 CPT Thomas Brown Gautier, Jr. USA 1944-12-09 DOW Europe World War II KIA
1942 CPL Theodore Hanford USA 1944-12-25 Ardennes, Belgium, Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1942 1LT Gilmer Herriott Holton, Jr. USAAC 1942-06-07 over Battle of Midway World War II KIA/MIA
1942 CPT Norwood Thomas Jenkins USA 1944-02-17 DNB Battlefield Disease - New Guinea World War II KIA
1942 1LT Franklyn Madden Ketchum USA 1944-08-16 France World War II KIA
1942 CPT Ralph Emory Kibler, Jr. USAAC 1944-05-11 over France World War II KIA
1942 PFC Gordon Ackly Littlefield USMC 1951-03-17 South Korea Korean War KIA
1942 1LT Roland Louis Luerich, Jr. USA 1944-06-04 DOW Italy World War II KIA
1942 CPT James Lawrence Manning USA 1944-12-21 over Bleialf, Germany World War II KIA
1942 1LT Harold Burris Morse USAAC 1945-02-04 over China World War II KIA
1942 CPT Robert Edward Poland USAAC 1943-04-04 over Liberia, North Africa World War II KIA/MIA
1942 CPT Hugh Corbin Rogers USAAC 1944-12-21 over China World War II KIA/MIA
1942 1LT William Milling Royall USA 1944-11-19 Europe World War II KIA
1942 1LT Fred Burnham Shifflet, Jr. USAAC 1943-03-03 over Battle of the Bismark Sea World War II KIA/MIA
1943 2LT James Theodore Baugh USMC 1945-02-24 Iwo Jima World War II KIA
1943 LTJG Frederick William Beidelman, Jr. USNR 1944-10-26 Soloman Islands World War II KIA/MIA
1943 2LT Jesse Wooten Booker, III USMC 1944-08-27 Tinian World War II KIA
1943 2LT John Russell Ferris USMC 1945-02-23 Iwo Jima World War II KIA
1943 1LT Jack Johnston Foster USA 1945-01-06 Ardennes, Belgium, Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1943 1LT John Hobson Franks USAAC 1944-12-31 over Japan World War II KIA/MIA
1943 1LT Harry Vance Johnson, Jr. USA 1945-04-03 Germany World War II KIA
1943 2LT Robert Edward Murphy USAAC 1943-11-02 Rabaul, New Britain World War II KIA/MIA
1943 2LT Bruce Curtis Robbins USA 1945-01-03 Ardennes, Belgium, Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1943 2LT Martin Frederick Schnibben, Jr. USA 1945-02-12 DOW while German POW, previously MIA World War II KIA/POW
1943 CPT Molten Ancrum Shuler, Jr. USA 1952-08-24 Chorwon, North Korea WIA 6/16/52 Korean War KIA
1943 CPL William Cleveland Whitley, Jr. USA 1944-11-04 France World War II KIA
1944 1LT George Blalock Browning USA 1945-01-04 Ardennes, Belgium, Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1944 PFC Thompson Gallety Dicks USA 1944-06-06 D-Day, Omaha Beach, 116 Inf/29 Div World War II KIA
1944 2LT Richard Louis Engel USAAC 1944-12-31 over Germany World War II KIA
1944 SGT Owen Willoughby Fields, Jr. USA 1944-07-13 Normandy, France, 22nd Inf/4th Div World War II KIA
1944 2LT Creswell Garlington, Jr. USA 1944-12-03 Ardennes, Belgium, Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1944 CPL Woodfin Grady Gaston, Jr. USA 1945-01-19 France World War II KIA
1944 1LT Walter Edward Gibson USA 1944-06-11 France World War II KIA
1944 1LT Ralph Alexander Hardee USA 1944-08-09 Brittany, France World War II KIA
1944 1LT Enon Walter Harvey, Jr. USAAC 1945-07-13 over Bonin Islands World War II KIA/MIA
1944 1LT William Alvin Henson, II USAAC 1944-09-28 over Magdeburg, Germany World War II KIA
1944 2LT Caswell Marbury Higgs USA 1945-03-28 Germany World War II KIA
1944 2LT Arthur Bradlee Hunt, Jr. USA 1944-11-21 Europe World War II KIA
1944 SGT John Evans James, Jr. USA 1944-12-25 Germany World War II KIA
1944 PFC Harvey Robert Kolker USA 1945-01-10 Ardennes, Belgium, Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1944 1LT Richard Lee Mann USAAC 1944-04-20 over France World War II KIA
1944 CPT William Kennedy Mauldin USAF 1952-02-21 over Sinan-ri, North Korea Korean War KIA
1944 1LT Archibald Solomon Mills, Jr. USAAC 1943-09-21 over South Pacific World War II KIA
1944 2LT Edwin Browning Moore USA 1945-03-01 Belgium World War II KIA
1944 PFC William John Nally USAAC 1945-06-25 Mindoro Island, Phillipines World War II KIA
1944 1LT Richard Paul Padgett USA 1945-04-30 South Pacific World War II KIA
1944 1LT Paul Richardson USAAC 1944-06-27 over Europe World War II KIA
1944 1LT Herman Franklin Ridenour USAAC 1944-04-10 over Yangkai AB, China World War II KIA
1944 SGT Marvin Roth USA 1945-04-25 Germany World War II KIA
1944 1LT Albert Harold Sims USAAC 1945-03-28 over Chungking, China World War II KIA/MIA
1944 2LT Samuel Rigby Sprott, Jr. USAAC 1944-03-20 over Germany (Body not recovered) World War II KIA/MIA
1944 1LT Charles Marion Thirlkeld, Jr. USA 1945-01-03 Ardennes, Belgium, Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1944 1LT Richard Harry Whitaker USAAC 1944-06-30 over Lake Balaton, Hungary World War II KIA
1945 PFC Andrew Nourse Alexander, Jr USA 1945-08-10 DNB Battlefield Disease - Kunming, China World War II KIA
1945 CPL Joseph Altomari USA 1945-05-10 DNB Germany World War II KIA
1945 SSG Hugh Van Der Veer Batchelder USA 1945-01-01 Phillipsbourg, France World War II KIA
1945 CPL Robert Alexander Bates USA 1944-11-03 Holland World War II KIA
1945 PFC Frederick Scott Campbell, Jr. USAAC 1945-05-26 over Tokyo, Japan World War II KIA
1945 PFC Archelaus Augustus Drake, III USA 1944-12-05 Ratzweiller, France World War II KIA
1945 SSGT Griffeth Harrison Fort USAAC 1944-12-17 over Deutsch-Lieben, Czechoslovakia World War II KIA
1945 1LT Henry David Fulmer, Jr. USAAC 1944-12-19 over Europe World War II KIA
1945 2LT James Guy Gilbert, Jr. USAAC 1944-12-23 over Germany World War II KIA
1945 PVT Harry Frierson Hendry, Jr. USA 1945-01-13 Luxembourg World War II KIA
1945 1LT James Culpeper Hill, Jr. USAAC 1945-02-20 over Kawasakia, Japan World War II KIA/MIA
1945 SSGT Lucius Joseph Jumper USAAC 1945-01-02 over Pacific World War II KIA/MIA
1945 PVT Vestal Malone USA 1946-01-05 DOW suffered during The Battle of the Bulge World War II KIA
1945 S1C Joy McDowell Marriott, Jr. USN 1945-05-03 Lost aboard Sub USS Lagarto SS-371) off Malay World War II KIA/MIA
1945 1LT Frederick Davenport Melton USA 1944-10-03 Holland World War II KIA
1945 PVT James Hollenbeck Morehouse, Jr. USA 1945-03-18 Germany World War II KIA
1945 PFC John Wilber Peterson USA 1945-03-06 Germany World War II KIA
1945 PVT David Prichard Pilson USMC 1945-04-10 Okinawa World War II KIA
1945 PFC Marion Stuckey USA 1945-01-04 Europe World War II KIA
1945 1LT John Mason Whiting Stulz USAAC 1945-08-01 over China/Burma/India Theater World War II KIA/MIA
1945 PFC Wilson Adelbert Wendt USA 1945-04-11 Germany World War II KIA
1945 1LT Jack Brinson Whitaker USMC 1944-12-31 South Pacific World War II KIA
1946 SSG Raleigh Blackwell Batten USAAC 1945-03-11 over Germany World War II KIA
1946 1LT William Beattie Bendure USA 1945-01-27 Sinz, Germany World War II KIA
1946 Richard Burns 1944-09-01 over Southern France World War II KIA/MIA
1946 2LT Thomas E. Campbell, Jr. USAAC 1945-03-24 over Germany World War II KIA
1946 SGT Frank William Cantillion USA 1944-05-02 Italy World War II KIA
1946 PVT Ross L. Carmichael USA 1944-02-23 Italy (Body not recovered) World War II KIA/MIA
1946 SGT Gerald Richard Casey USMC 1945-02-21 Iwo Jima World War II KIA
1946 SGT Edward Gray Cherry, Jr. USA 1945-03-15 Germany World War II KIA
1946 CPL John Henry Cotter USMC 1945-02-19 Iwo Jima World War II KIA
1946 PVT Walter Steele Covington, Jr. USA 1944-12-09 Vossenack, Germany World War II KIA
1946 1LT Joseph Ambrose Doyle, Jr. USAAC 1945-04-28 over Italy World War II KIA
1946 PFC Joseph Gibbs Ferrel USA 1944-11-17 Aachen, Germany World War II KIA
1946 SGT John Lawrence Glynn, Jr. USA 1945-01-28 Belgium World War II KIA
1946 SGT Jule Hancock, Jr. USAAC 1944-10-14 over Yugoslavia (Body not recovered) World War II KIA/MIA
1946 SSGT James William Hendon, Jr. USAAC 1945-03-01 over Belgium World War II KIA
1946 PFC Harry Bell Launius, Jr. USA 1945-01-27 Nenning, Germany World War II KIA
1946 PVT John Bunyan McMillan, Jr. USA 1944-12-30 Nenning, Germany World War II KIA
1946 1LT Richard Heilman Metzger USAAC 1945-05-12 over Germany World War II KIA
1946 PVT Fielding Jessup Nelson USA 1944-06-02 Anzio Beachhead World War II KIA
1946 SSG Kingsley Robert Pearse USA 1944-11-14 France World War II KIA
1946 2LT John Eugene Pound USAF 1952-02-22 over Tsu Bu, South Korea Korean War KIA
1946 SGT James Calvin Raymond USAAC 1945-04-02 over Germany World War II KIA
1946 PFC James Davis Rembert USA 1945-04-14 Germany World War II KIA
1946 1LT David Albert Robins USAAC 1944-07-21 over Salsburg, Austria World War II KIA/MIA
1946 SSG Robert Cowan Rolph USA 1945-02-25 Haverhof, Germany World War II KIA
1946 PVT Waverly Owen Skidmore USA 1944-10-13 Germany World War II KIA
1946 SGT Henry Sylvain Solomon USAAC 1945-03-10 over Tokyo, Japan World War II KIA/MIA
1946 CPL William Arthur Teague, II USAAC 1945-07-01 over Japan World War II KIA
1946 PVT Charles Alister Witsell, Jr. USA 1944-05-26 Italy World War II KIA
1946 SSG Thomas Franklin Woodhead USA 1944-12-10 Obergrich, Germany World War II KIA
1946 PFC John Kenneth Zahn, Jr. USA 1944-09-11 France World War II KIA/MIA
1947 2LT Solomon Lee Van Meter, III USMC 1953-07-09 South Korea Korean War KIA
1948 PVT Thomas Edward Hinton, Jr. USMC 1945-12-05 North China World War II KIA
1948 1LT Wesley Hartwell Johnson USA 1950-07-27 Hadong, South Korea Korean War KIA
1949 2LT Frank Elwood Bloomenshine USA 1950-08-25 South Korea Korean War KIA
1949 1LT James Futrell Exley USA 1951-04-05 North Korea Korean War KIA
1949 1LT William Calvin Hall USA 1951-04-25 Uijonbu, South Korea Korean War KIA
1949 1LT John William Hill, Jr. USMC 1952-09-10 over Pohang, South Korea Korean War KIA
1949 1LT Edmund Jones Lilly, III USA 1950-09-03 South Korea Korean War KIA
1949 2LT Edward Rutledge Ravenel, III USA 1950-09-05 Hill 303, South Korea Korean War KIA
1950 1LT Herman Louis Falk, Jr. USA 1951-05-31 Died while POW (2/12/51) Korean War KIA/POW
1950 1LT William Henry McLellan USA 1951-09-19 North Korea Korean War KIA
1950 2LT William Kendrick Mordecai USA 1950-11-15 Wonsan Harbor, South Korea Korean War KIA
1950 1LT Clyde P. Padgett, Jr. USA 1951-01-03 Seoul, South Korea Korean War KIA
1950 1LT Richard Tarlton Smock USA 1951-06-06 Chollyon-Dong North Korea DSC Korean War KIA
1951 1LT Bob Pearce Cannon USAF 1952-12-04 over Suwon AF, South Korea Korean War KIA
1951 1LT James Franklin Davis USAF 1953-05-10 over South Korea Korean War KIA/MIA
1951 PVT William Clyde Fowler USA 1951-01-30 South Korea Korean War KIA
1951 1LT Myrth Jimmie Killingsworth USA 1952-10-14 North Korea Korean War KIA
1951 LTC Rodolph Lee Nunn, Jr. USAF 1968-06-06 Quang Tri, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1951 2LT Thomas Preston Pearce USA 1952-08-12 North Korea Korean War KIA
1951 MAJ Sam Michael Savas, Jr. USA 1965-10-12 RVN Vietnam Stroke
1951 SGT Desmond K. Wilkerson USAF 1950-11-28 over Sinanjo AF, North Korea Korean War KIA
1952 MAJ Amos Oliver Fox USAF 1968-04-23 Ninh Thuan, RVN Vietnam Air loss
1952 MAJ Richard Herman Schmidt USA 1966-05-17 RVN Vietnam Ground
1952 LTC William Robert Spillers USAF 1969-12-17 Binh Duong, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1956 CPT Donald Bryant Button USAF 1968-05-24 Thailand Vietnam Air loss
1956 LTC Robert Henry Carter, Jr. USA 1969-05-27 Kontum, RVN Vietnam Ground
1956 MAJ Leo Michael Donker USA 1966-04-03 RVN Vietnam Ground
1956 MAJ Roger Lee Graham USA 1969-06-10 Quang Nam, RVN Vietnam Ground
1957 MAJ James Westley Ayers USMC 1967-05-26 Quang Tri, RVN Vietnam Ground
1957 CPT Terry Denver Cordell USA 1962-10-15 RVN Vietnam Shot down
1957 CPT Thomas Joseph Margle USAF 1968-02-15 Ninh Thuan, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1958 1LT Raymond Edgar Doyle, Jr. USAF 1963-04-12 Thailand Vietnam Air loss
1959 CPT Clarence Larry Moorer USA 1963-12-12 RVN Vietnam Shot down
1959 CPT Hugh Reavis Nelson USA 1966-06-05 RVN Vietnam Shot down
1959 CPT David John Wick Widder USA 1965-03-24 RVN Vietnam Shot down
1959 MAJ William Esley Wood, Jr. USAF 1971-04-21 Quang Tri, RVN Vietnam Air loss
1960 CPT John Werner Carlson USAF 1966-12-07 Tay Ninh, RVN Vietnam MIA/Shot down
1961 LCDR Jere Alen Barton USN 1970-06-07 Kien Tuong, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1961 MAJ Samuel Richard Bird USA 1984-10-18 Bong Son, RVN Vietnam WIA Jan 27, '67
1961 MAJ James Terry Jackson USAF 1972-03-23 Laos Vietnam MIA/Shot down
1961 CPT Benjamin Edward Kelly, Jr. USA 1967-08-30 Bihn Dinh, RVN Vietnam Ground
1961 CPT Thomas Curtis Metsker USA 1965-11-14 Ia Drang Valley, RVN Vietnam Ground
1961 CPT William David Howsa Ragin USA 1964-08-20 Kien Hoa,RVN Vietnam Ground
1961 MAJ David Bruce Tucker USA 1967-10-01 RVN Vietnam Shot down
1962 CPT William Forman Abernethy USA 1967-07-21 Long Khanh, RVN Vietnam Ground
1962 CPT Henry Albert Deutsch USA 1965-05-11 RVN Vietnam Ground
1962 CPT Thomas Simcock Hubbell USMC 1967-12-27 Thua Thien, RVN Vietnam Ground
1962 CPT Kurt Lloyd Kuhns, Sr. USA 1967-09-08 RVN Vietnam Air loss
1962 CPT Richard Edward Legate USA 1967-03-25 RVN Vietnam Ground
1962 CPT William Daniel Sands, III USA 1967-03-22 Pleiku, RVN Vietnam Ground
1962 Capt William A. Thomas USAF 1972-04-21 RVN Vietnam Air Loss
1963 CPT Sam Festis Beach, Jr. USAF 1968-01-17 Quang Tri, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1963 2/Lt. Davis J. Boardman USA 1968-02-01 Ground Long An, RVN Vietnam KIA
1963 MAJ Robert Gerald Hunter USAF 1966-05-25 over Ban-Ban,Laos Vietnam Shot down
1963 1LT Richard Mershon Milikin, III USAF 1967-08-20 North Vietnam Vietnam MIA/Shot down
1963 2LT Phillip Jacob Moog USA 1966-08-10 RVN Vietnam Ground
1963 Unk Viruch Tangnoi RTA 1968-06-25 Unknown Vietnam Royal Thai Army?
1964 CPT Charles Edward Heine USA 1969-01-03 RVN Vietnam Shot down
1964 CPT Anthony George Prior USA 1968-05-27 Binh Long, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1964 2LT Richard James Regan USMC 1965-08-11 Quang Nam, RVN Vietnam Ground
1964 1LT James Clinton Tarkenton, III USA 1967-03-19 Binh Duong, RVN Vietnam Ground
1964 1LT William Judson Thomason USA 2006-01-15 0 Vietnam WIA Nov '66
1964 1LT Hugh William Wellons USA 1966-10-13 RVN Vietnam Ground
1965 2LT Joseph Cyril Missar, Jr. USMC 1966-05-06 Quang Nam, RVN Vietnam Ground
1965 1LT Frank Monroe Murphy USA 1966-12-07 RVN Vietnam Ground
1965 MAJ Woodrow Wilson Parker, II USAF 1968-04-24 North Vietnam Vietnam Shot down
1965 1LT Arthur Clifton Retzlaff USA 1967-07-10 Kontum RVN Vietnam Ground
1966 1LT Stephen Winfield Davis USA 1967-08-18 Quang Tin, RVN Vietnam Ground
1966 CPT Thomas Walter Foy USA 1968-05-15 Binh Dinh, RVN Vietnam Ground
1966 2LT John Luther Fuller, Jr. USMC 1967-03-23 Quang Nam, RVN Vietnam Ground
1966 CPT Fred Orr Jackson, Jr. USA 1969-09-05 Binh Long, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1966 1LT Mark Mac Donald Serrem USA 1968-01-31 Pleiku, RVN Vietnam Ground
1967 1LT Fred Joshua Carter USAF 1969-11-05 Khanh Hoa, RVN Vietnam Air loss
1967 CPT Glenn Richard Cook USAF 1969-10-21 Ninh Thuan, RVN Vietnam MIA/Shot down
1967 2LT Frederick Young Holjes USA 1968-03-22 Thua Thien, RVN Vietnam Ground
1967 HM2 William Livingston Mc Cormick USN 1969-03-07 Quang Nam, RVN Vietnam Ground
1967 CPT George Louis Miner USA 1969-08-17 Thua Thien, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1967 SGT Thomas Duckett O'Connor USMC 1968-01-03 Quang Nam, RVN Vietnam Ground
1967 1LT Richard William O'Keefe USAF 1971-02-11 Ninh Thuan, RVN Vietnam Air loss
1967 CPT George Thomas Taylor, Jr. USA 1971-05-21 Quang Tri, RVN Vietnam Ground
1967 1LT Bruce Richard Welge USA 1969-01-26 RVN Vietnam Ground
1968 CPT Barry Kenneth Allmond USAF 1972-05-11 Binh Long, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1968 CPT Ronald Anthony Ashe USAF 1972-07-30 U-Tapao RTAFB, Thailand Vietnam Air loss
1968 1LT John Fredrick Bradman USA 1970-02-18 Phuoc Long, RVN Vietnam Accident
1968 1LT Carl Alfred Peterson USA 1969-08-10 Thua Thien, RVN Vietnam Ground
1968 1LT Kenneth Martin Schlie USA 1970-10-20 Quang Ngai, RVN Vietnam Air loss
1968 1LT Charles E. Suprenant, Jr. USAF 1970-04-02 Dak Seang, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1968 CPT Robert Francis Woodhouse, Jr. USA 1970-07-07 Thua Thien, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1969 1LT Christopher L. Clearwaters USA 1971-02-20 Phuoc Long, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1969 CPT Joe Wofford Eubanks USA 1972-06-02 Pleiku, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1969 CPT Carter Avery Howell USAF 1972-03-07 Saravane, Laos Vietnam MIA/Shot down
1969 WO1 Ephriam Rutledge Liles, II USA 1969-07-04 Phuoc Long, RVN Vietnam Shot down
1969 1LT Richard Glenn Repole USA 1970-07-08 Quang Ngai, RVN Vietnam Ground
1969 SSG Robert Francis Scherdin USA 1968-12-29 Cambodia Vietnam MIA/Ground
1977 CPT Michael F. Ritz USA 1983-10-26 Calliste, Grenada, 82nd Airborne Grenada KIA
1981 1LT Charles Jeffrey Schnorf USMC 1983-10-23 USMC Barracks, Beirut, Lebanon Lebanon KIA
1984 CPT Mario J. Fajardo USA 1991-02-26 Desert Storm, 27th ENG Bn (combat) (airborne) 20th ENG BDE Persian Gulf War KIA
1985 LTC Chad Buehring USA 2003-10-26 Baghdad, Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
1985 MSG Robert V. Derenda USA 2005-08-05 Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
1987 Officer Arsenio Domingo Jr. CPD 2006-01-07 Over Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
1989 CPT Patrick McKenna USA 1994-04-14 Over northern Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
1993 CPT Christopher Kenny USA 2004-05-03 Baghdad, Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
1996 CPT Benjamin Sammis USMC 2003-04-05 Over central Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
1997 CPT Daniel W. Eggers USA 2004-05-29 Afghanistan War on Terrorism KIA
1997 MAJ Brian Michael Mescall USA 2009-01-09 Jaldak, Afghanistan War on Terrorism KIA
1998 LTJG Peter Ober USN 2003-07-16 In air crash returning from combat War on Terrorism KIA
2001 1LT Shane Childers USMC 2003-03-21 Ramallah Oil Fields, Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
2001 1LT Dan Thomas Malcom USMC 2004-11-10 Fallujah, Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
2004 1LT Almar Fitzgerald USMC 2006-02-21 Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
2004 Capt Warren A. Frank USMC 2008-11-25 Biaj, Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
2004 Capt Ryan Hall USAF 2012-02-18 Killed during combat op in Afghanistan War on Terrorism KIA
2004 1/Lt Ryan Rawl SC Army National Guard 20 June 2012 Khost, Afghanistan War on Terrorism KIA
2005 1LT Joshua Booth USMC 2006-10-17 Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
2005 LCPL Timothy Creager USMC 2004-07-01 Iraq War on Terrorism KIA
2007 Sgt. Aaron Whitman USA 2013-01-10 Nangarhar Province, Afghanistan War on Terrorism KIA
2009 LCPL Jonathan A. Taylor USMC 2009-12-01 Helmand province of Afghanistan War on Terrorism KIA

[Apphole]

When ever you post that word document of all the fallen Cid soldiers, it double posts and makes me spend a full 2.5 seconds scrolling. This is unacceptable. Please just type in a code word or something and we will all know what you mean. Jesus, man.

[chattownmocs]

Turning each program from two-win teams into perennial post-season programs. Not bad for 1-year and 2-year stays respectively.

If the offensive coordinator gets credit for that then why would you want him as head coach?

[chattownmocs]

There is not connection between these two sentences whatsoever outside of your own twisted, delusional brain.

No one here is capable of the mental gymnastics you are, and therefore, will never get the connection.

It's pretty simple. If they were about to move up, they would be able to hire a better, more established head coach.

[ASUMountaineer]

Citdog, if you'd post it a third time, it might sink in. Twice just isn't enough.

I'll stick with our "question mark" any day over a bunch of "cadets" that can't take on women. I guess it's a good thing the SoD has lifted the ban preventing women from the front lines.

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All smack and joking aside, Yahweh bless those men that have fought and died in the service of our country. xnodx

[asumike83]

His 1-7 record against ASU is quite impressive. Kudos. That's a whopping .125 winning percentage against ASU. Yup, beating that *** like it was his job. xlolx

To be fair, that 1 win against Appalachian is as many as the last three Citadel coaches combined. So, relatively, 1-7 is beating that a** like it's his job.

[citdog]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ3j5jp5IoY


Was that so hard Yosefs?

[ASUMountaineer]

To be fair, that 1 win against Appalachian is as many as the last three Citadel coaches combined. So, relatively, 1-7 is beating that a** like it's his job.

xlolx

[ASUMountaineer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ3j5jp5IoY


Was that so hard Yosefs?

I wanted to play along a little while more before dropping THE picture. xlolx

[Apphole]

It's pretty simple. If they were about to move up, they would be able to hire a better, more established head coach.

We turned Tim Horton, an established SEC coach, down for SS. Is that good enough for you? SS is a very smart, offensive mastermind. I'm not sure what you think these lower-tier FBS programs are capable of. Name a Sunbelt school that can just pull any old established FBS coach from a successful job somewhere. It doesn't happen. Satterfield was a fine choice.

[asumike83]

It's pretty simple. If they were about to move up, they would be able to hire a better, more established head coach.

Wrong. Even the big boys regularly hire first time coaches. I think Satterfield is a good hire whether we move up tomorrow, 5 years from now or never. You act like we are the first program to ever promote from within. He played at ASU and spent 12 years on the staff with a couple years at Toledo/FIU mixed in.

ODU has had great success beginning a program after hiring an experienced assistant with no prior head coaching experience. Chip Kelly had zero head coaching experience when Oregon hired him and he's in the NFL now. Jimbo Fisher? Long-time Bowden assistant as OC/QB coach, took over the program with no head coaching experience. David Shaw at Stanford? Internal OC promotion. Muschamp at Florida? No head coaching experience. Mark Richt at Georgia? Never a head coach before being hired in Athens. That is 5 of the top 10 programs in the final FBS poll who have head coaches who took the job with no prior head coaching experience.

Otherwise, great point.

[mountaineer in Cane Land]

paladanfan, I remember about 6 or 7 years ago when App was really spending alot of money on the athletic program, the Chancellor at Furman felt he had to go public and address their future plans for the athletic dept. Paraphrasing, but he basically said,Furman will not be influenced by what other schools were doing, that athletics will not be the driving force of the University, and that they had no plans to improve the facilities. I actually admired his stand, that Furman University will first and foremost be a school of academics, and not of athletics. App went thru the same thing from the early 90's until 2003 with our chancellor Browski, he hated athletics and believed that they should be funded only the minimal amount, alot of App fans blame him for the lack of vision of the athletic dept during his tenure, but he was the greatest fundraiser the school ever had, he was so good, that we started taking state funding from NC, NC State, to the point that they considered us a serious theat. He also improved academics to the point where now, the average SAT scores are in the top tier of the State, and that the average GPA of incoming freshman is 3.99. His mistakes was he could not or would not create a balance between academics and athletics. The thing about Furman is they have a huge endowment, and if they wanted to could easily build the nicest facilices in the FCS, maybe your new administration is trying to create a balance between academics and athletics, if thats the case its only a matter of time before Furman is back in the playoffs. To be honest I have no fear of the Cit, and Chatt might have blown their chance, but you guys are the one program I fear making a comeback, you got the money, the question is, what are you going to do with it?

[ASUMountaineer]

Wrong. Even the big boys regularly hire first time coaches. I think Satterfield is a good hire whether we move up tomorrow, 5 years from now or never. You act like we are the first program to ever promote from within. He played at ASU and spent 12 years on the staff with a couple years at Toledo/FIU mixed in.

ODU has had great success beginning a program after hiring an experienced assistant with no prior head coaching experience. Chip Kelly had zero head coaching experience when Oregon hired him and he's in the NFL now. Jimbo Fisher? Long-time Bowden assistant as OC/QB coach, took over the program with no head coaching experience. David Shaw at Stanford? Internal OC promotion. Muschamp at Florida? No head coaching experience. That is 4 of the top 10 programs in the final FBS poll who have head coaches who took the job with no prior head coaching experience.

Otherwise, great point.

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[chattownmocs]

We turned Tim Horton, an established SEC coach, down for SS. Is that good enough for you? SS is a very smart, offensive mastermind. I'm not sure what you think these lower-tier FBS programs are capable of. Name a Sunbelt school that can just pull any old established FBS coach from a successful job somewhere. It doesn't happen. Satterfield was a fine choice.

A position coach? haha...That was your alternative to Satterfield. Proves my point.

[chattownmocs]

Wrong. Even the big boys regularly hire first time coaches. I think Satterfield is a good hire whether we move up tomorrow, 5 years from now or never. You act like we are the first program to ever promote from within. He played at ASU and spent 12 years on the staff with a couple years at Toledo/FIU mixed in.

ODU has had great success beginning a program after hiring an experienced assistant with no prior head coaching experience. Chip Kelly had zero head coaching experience when Oregon hired him and he's in the NFL now. Jimbo Fisher? Long-time Bowden assistant as OC/QB coach, took over the program with no head coaching experience. David Shaw at Stanford? Internal OC promotion. Muschamp at Florida? No head coaching experience. Mark Richt at Georgia? Never a head coach before being hired in Athens. That is 5 of the top 10 programs in the final FBS poll who have head coaches who took the job with no prior head coaching experience.

Otherwise, great point.

Yes the Big boys hire the top assistants in the country as well as proven head coaches from lower levels. What they do not do is hire the OC from let's say USF, very often if ever. You are confused about what the comparison actually is. As much as you guys want to pretend that this is normal, it isn't. It's not that fact that they hired a coordinator, it is the fact that they hired a guy, who like it or not, was an FCS school.

[Apphole]

A position coach? haha...That was your alternative to Satterfield. Proves my point.

Nothing will ever prove any point you make since your statements are fundamentally false.

Anyway, name a Sunbelt program that's been able to hand pick a head coach with successful head coaching experience in the FBS. It doesn't happen. You think a head coach at any level of FBS program would move to the same position at a move-up, likely take a pay cut, and have to start from scratch?

[chattownmocs]

Nothing will ever prove any point you make since your statements are fundamentally false.

Anyway, name a Sunbelt program that's been able to hand pick a head coach with successful head coaching experience in the FBS. It doesn't happen. You think a head coach at any level of FBS program would move to the same position at a move-up, likely take a pay cut, and have to start from scratch?

How many Sunbelt school hired an FCS coordinator. I could be wrong but I doubt it happens. The coordinator part alone is not the issue it is the combination of FCS and and coordinator.

[Apphole]

How many Sunbelt school hired an FCS coordinator. I could be wrong but I doubt it happens. The coordinator part alone is not the issue it is the combination of FCS and and coordinator.

Are having trouble with reading again? He turned a terrible SBC program into a very good one. He was the OC at FBS FIU for two years. Does that not make him an FBS OC? Does spending one year in the same capacity at Appalachian force that fact from his resume? You're an idiot.

[chattownmocs]

Are having trouble with reading again? He turned a terrible SBC program into a very good one. He was the OC at FBS FIU for two years. Does that not make him an FBS OC? Does spending one year in the same capacity at Appalachian force that fact from his resume? You're an idiot.

You don't make any sense whatsoever. He was at App State when he was hired. If he turned any program around as a coordinator than you would think he could do it App State for another year and they wouldn't have needed to fire Jerry one year before he retired. It is not possible to turn around a program as a coordinator. Can you help a unit? Can that help the team? duh. If App State is giving a coordinator credit for turning any program around then they are destined for failure.

[asumike83]

Yes the Big boys hire the top assistants in the country as well as proven head coaches from lower levels. What they do not do is hire the OC from let's say USF, very often if ever. You are confused about what the comparison actually is. As much as you guys want to pretend that this is normal, it isn't. It's not that fact that they hired a coordinator, it is the fact that they hired a guy, who like it or not, was an FCS school.

Glad to see you are backtracking already. First, you said we would have gotten a "better, more established head coach" if we really wanted to move up. Now, a coordinator is fine, just not one from an FCS program? Aside from the fact that Satterfield had success as an FBS coordinator before coming back last year, that assertion still makes no sense. If you can coach football, you can coach football. If you're talking about a big SEC job that has the stress of national media coming with it, that might make sense but clearly that is not the case.

Maybe you are confused about what the comparison is. A BCS school hiring a BCS coordinator as head coach is not much different than ASU hiring a head coach who has been a coordinator at the FCS and mid-major FBS level. We wouldn't have the money to poach a coveted BCS coordinator even if we were FBS. The fact that he has deep ties to the university and will be less likely to bolt for a bigger job if he sees success also plays a part in the decision.

We truly appreciate your misguided concern but we'll be just fine, thanks.

[ASUMountaineer]

Yes the Big boys hire the top assistants in the country as well as proven head coaches from lower levels. What they do not do is hire the OC from let's say USF, very often if ever. You are confused about what the comparison actually is. As much as you guys want to pretend that this is normal, it isn't. It's not that fact that they hired a coordinator, it is the fact that they hired a guy, who like it or not, was an FCS school.

That's fairly impressive for a guy to be a school.

[ASUMountaineer]

Glad to see you are backtracking already. First, you said we would have gotten a "better, more established head coach" if we really wanted to move up. Now, a coordinator is fine, just not one from an FCS program? Aside from the fact that Satterfield had success as an FBS coordinator before coming back last year, that assertion still makes no sense. If you can coach football, you can coach football. If you're talking about a big SEC job that has the stress of national media coming with it, that might make sense but clearly that is not the case.

Maybe you are confused about what the comparison is. A BCS school hiring a BCS coordinator as head coach is not much different than ASU hiring a head coach who has been a coordinator at the FCS and mid-major FBS level. We wouldn't have the money to poach a coveted BCS coordinator even if we were FBS. The fact that he has deep ties to the university and will be less likely to bolt for a bigger job if he sees success also plays a part in the decision.

We truly appreciate your misguided concern but we'll be just fine, thanks.

If what we're doing is drawing criticism from Chatty, we must be doing it right.

[asumike83]

If what we're doing is drawing criticism from Chatty, we must be doing it right.

I agree. Of course, we should be more sensitive to his own experiences with hiring a head coach who was a good FCS coordinator.

[Apphole]

I agree. Of course, we should be more sensitive to his own experiences with hiring a head coach who was a good FCS coordinator.

Oh my God I can't believe I didn't think of that. Chatty has Richmond's DC for a head coach.

If I had to guess, I would say chattown would respond with something like: "He is at UVA now, therefore, Chatty has a successful BCS DC for a head coach."

I could write a doctoral thesis on chattown if I was seeking a masters in psychology. He is a case study for the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

[chattownmocs]

Glad to see you are backtracking already. First, you said we would have gotten a "better, more established head coach" if we really wanted to move up. Now, a coordinator is fine, just not one from an FCS program? Aside from the fact that Satterfield had success as an FBS coordinator before coming back last year, that assertion still makes no sense. If you can coach football, you can coach football. If you're talking about a big SEC job that has the stress of national media coming with it, that might make sense but clearly that is not the case.

Maybe you are confused about what the comparison is. A BCS school hiring a BCS coordinator as head coach is not much different than ASU hiring a head coach who has been a coordinator at the FCS and mid-major FBS level. We wouldn't have the money to poach a coveted BCS coordinator even if we were FBS. The fact that he has deep ties to the university and will be less likely to bolt for a bigger job if he sees success also plays a part in the decision.

We truly appreciate your misguided concern but we'll be just fine, thanks.

I was talking about your head coaching position. Not necessarily a guy who was already a head coach somewhere else. Satterfield didn't do anything at the FBS level. He made his small reputation as an FCS coordinator. Which is why he came back to FCS as a coordinator. If offered him a head coaching job? Who was even interested? Certainly no one at the FBS level.

The bottom line is, based on the fire that you made, the hire was one of the most underwhelming in the history of college football.

[chattownmocs]

Oh my God I can't believe I didn't think of that. Chatty has Richmond's DC for a head coach.

If I had to guess, I would say chattown would respond with something like: "He is at UVA now, therefore, Chatty has a successful BCS DC for a head coach."

I could write a doctoral thesis on chattown if I was seeking a masters in psychology. He is a case study for the Dunning-Kruger Effect.


What would your thesis be if you were writing about your daily detailed descriptions of homosexual acts? What would that tell us about you?

BTW, Chattanooga coming off a 1-11 season with no aspirations of moving up to the next level hired a defensive coordinator right after he won won the national title.

Not really consistent with firing a legend for an offensive coordinator who can supposedly turn FBS programs around, but obviously didn't turn around the program that he is with currently and was working for during the year that got Jerry fired.

What they did was hired a very successful FCS coordinator, who was formerly a mildly successful low-level FBS coordinator. And this is a program that is supposed to be moving up.

[PaladinFan]

What would this forum be without intense arguments over hypothetical contingencies?

Satterfield will either be a successful head coach, or he will not. We should know pretty soon which is the case.

[citdog]

What would your thesis be if you were writing about your daily detailed descriptions of homosexual acts? What would that tell us about you?

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I'd like to announce that Apphole and I will be married in Vermont in early June. The ceremony will feature a proxy for me as I refused to leave the Southern Confederacy.


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[asumike83]

Not really consistent with firing a legend for an offensive coordinator who can supposedly turn FBS programs around, but obviously didn't turn around the program that he is with currently and was working for during the year that got Jerry fired.

What they did was hired a very successful FCS coordinator, who was formerly a mildly successful low-level FBS coordinator. And this is a program that is supposed to be moving up.


Not that you typically let little things like facts get in the way but the decision to not renew Jerry's contract was made before Satterfield ever came back. I still think Cobb did a horrible job of communicating with both Jerry and the fans but there are documented, time-stamped communications requesting that Jerry step down right after the 2011 season and take an administrative role, which he declined because he still wanted to coach.

You can call his stint at FIU 'mildly successful' but Mario Cristobal spent 6 years there. He won 15 games in the two years that Satterfield was the OC and went to the only two bowl games in school history. He won 12 games in the other four years combined. Of course, that is not 100% due to his ability as an OC but to give him no credit for that would be ignoring the drastic difference in performance. He came back for a chance to be the head coach at his alma mater, not because he didn't succeed elsewhere.

Although it is at a different level of football, the rationale for the hire is the same as at other programs that have had continued success by hiring an assistant that knows the program and learned under a great coach. It gives some new energy to the program but also allows for continuity. We will know what he's got as a head coach in about 10 months time but I am confident in his ability.

[chattownmocs]

Not that you typically let little things like facts get in the way but the decision to not renew Jerry's contract was made before Satterfield ever came back. I still think Cobb did a horrible job of communicating with both Jerry and the fans but there are documented, time-stamped communications requesting that Jerry step down right after the 2011 season and take an administrative role, which he declined because he still wanted to coach.

You can call his stint at FIU 'mildly successful' but Mario Cristobal spent 6 years there. He won 15 games in the two years that Satterfield was the OC and went to the only two bowl games in school history. He won 12 games in the other four years combined. Of course, that is not 100% due to his ability as an OC but to give him no credit for that would be ignoring the drastic difference in performance. He came back for a chance to be the head coach at his alma mater, not because he didn't succeed elsewhere.

Although it is at a different level of football, the rationale for the hire is the same as at other programs that have had continued success by hiring an assistant that knows the program and learned under a great coach. It gives some new energy to the program but also allows for continuity. We will know what he's got as a head coach in about 10 months time but I am confident in his ability.

I guess you are right. This may not have anything to do with FBS. But the fact that the App State fans and administration are so sure their future is better with satterfield than Moore is the most ridiculous part of the whole thing.

[mountaineer in Cane Land]

funny that the hiring of Saterfield is being judged by a guy whos own coach has underachieved for the past 3 years.

[asumike83]

I guess you are right. This may not have anything to do with FBS. But the fact that the App State fans and administration are so sure their future is better with satterfield than Moore is the most ridiculous part of the whole thing.

On that, we can agree.

I think he was a good hire and that Coach Satterfield will do very well as a head coach. However, there are those who expect every problem the team had in 2012 to disappear with Jerry Moore in 2013 and that the 2013 ASU defense will be the 2012 Wofford defense because Woody is the DC. My expectations are to see continued production on offense and moderate defensive improvement but we won't know exactly what we've got until they take the field.

[ASUMountaineer]

What would your thesis be if you were writing about your daily detailed descriptions of homosexual acts? What would that tell us about you?

BTW, Chattanooga coming off a 1-11 season with no aspirations of moving up to the next level hired a defensive coordinator right after he won won the national title.

Not really consistent with firing a legend for an offensive coordinator who can supposedly turn FBS programs around, but obviously didn't turn around the program that he is with currently and was working for during the year that got Jerry fired.

What they did was hired a very successful FCS coordinator, who was formerly a mildly successful low-level FBS coordinator. And this is a program that is supposed to be moving up.

xlolx You brought it with that post Chatty. Some of your best work yet.

[PaladinFan]

On that, we can agree.

I think he was a good hire and that Coach Satterfield will do very well as a head coach. However, there are those who expect every problem the team had in 2012 to disappear with Jerry Moore in 2013 and that the 2013 ASU defense will be the 2012 Wofford defense because Woody is the DC. My expectations are to see continued production on offense and moderate defensive improvement but we won't know exactly what we've got until they take the field.

This is just my opinion, but I think App's defense will continue to struggle. I don't think it is about scheme or talent, but the offense.

Across the board, most college football teams that run high octane offenses out of the spread have soft defenses. It is difficult to produce a tough defense that practices every day against an offense like App State's. I think that is the primary reason you see "between the tackles" teams like Wofford, the Citadel, and GSU have so much success against the Mountaineer defense. All three of those teams put up staggering offensive numbers against the App defense.

I am reluctant to use the word "tough," but I think that pretty much sums it up. If this were just an "App State problem" I would think the DC could work miracles. I don't think it is. I think you see this over and over at the college level.