Task force recommends football return to ETSU

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

Found this gem today per WJHL and looks very promising.

http://www2.wjhl.com/news/2012/dec/05/task-force-recommends-football-return-etsu-ar-2400530/

[kdinva]

Does look promising.........does anyone know if they have upgraded the turf in the Mini-dome, or they'll wait until FB actually comes back to J. City. A VMI football parent told me in the late '90s that the air in that place was stagnet, and the floor/astro-turf smelled of pee.

[Laker]

I hope that they start it up again. Any guess as to what football conference they might get into?

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

I hope that they start it up again. Any guess as to what football conference they might get into?

Options include the Pioneer (non-scholarship, members in midwest and one on the West Coast and Northeast), Big South (relatively new league, should be competitive for autobid if they go scholarship) and SoCon (where they used to be before they canned football).

[Mr. C]

If ETSU were to bring back football, I could see the Bucs coming back to the SoCon very easily.

[walliver]

I wonder if they will restart scholarship football?

If they do restart football, they need to find a way to play outside.

[Laker]

Question that probably deserves a thread:

I've noticed that teams starting up football tend to be in the South. Teams that have dropped football are on the coasts. There used to be all kinds of teams in California- Fullerton, Long Beach, Pacific- and all kinds of teams in the Northeast- Boston U, St. John's, Iona. Western Washington dropped the sport.

Even in the Midwest there have been teams started in St. Scholastica and Presentation. The goal was to get more males into these predominately female schools.

Why the difference in regions? Obviously this group is interested in football or we wouldn't be on here, but there must be opinions.

[MplsBison]

The difference is simply a matter of getting the line up through the X number of approval committees.

In the south, football is so important that schools will actually spend good money to get the sports. Most other places don't like to spend that kind of money.


Take Alabama for instance: they won't even allow the lottery in the state, good money that could help rural schools survive.

But you're GD right they'll pay Nick Saben $10 million a year to make sure the Tide are in the BCS title game.

[citdog]

The difference is simply a matter of getting the line up through the X number of approval committees.

In the south, football is so important that schools will actually spend good money to get the sports. Most other places don't like to spend that kind of money.


Take Alabama for instance: they won't even allow the lottery in the state, good money that could help rural schools survive.

But you're GD right they'll pay Nick Saben $10 million a year to make sure the Tide are in the BCS title game.


games of chance are sinful. the Southern People like football.


also grits.

[MplsBison]

games of chance are sinful. the Southern People like football.


also grits.

Mississippi and Georgia have casinos. Georgia has a state lottery.

It's money that can be used for schools.


Once the old whites in power die out (can't come soon enough), the state will be dragged kicking and screaming to progress by the new, young policy makers who take their place. And I will be grinning ear to ear.

[citdog]

Mississippi and Georgia have casinos. Georgia has a state lottery.

It's money that can be used for schools.


Once the old whites in power die out (can't come soon enough), the state will be dragged kicking and screaming to progress by the new, young policy makers who take their place. And I will be grinning ear to ear.

Why should you care about the domestic politics of States which you don't reside in and have no ties to. Alabama will do what she wants and as a Sovereign State she has the right to do. It would behoove outsiders to quit meddling in the domestic affairs of the Southern States. as..........




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[DFW HOYA]

Why the difference in regions? Obviously this group is interested in football or we wouldn't be on here, but there must be opinions.

Most western schools that dropped did so for scheduling or gender equity reasons. Midwestern/southern schools have tended to drop over funding. The MAAC schools dropped off because of declining support and the unstable nature of that conference, while Northeastern and Hofstra (and Western Washington in Div. II) were more by presidential fiat.

[MplsBison]

Why should you care about the domestic politics of States which you don't reside in and have no ties to. Alabama will do what she wants and as a Sovereign State she has the right to do. It would behoove outsiders to quit meddling in the domestic affairs of the Southern States. as..........


Georgia and Mississippi aren't southern, sovereign states?

Just because you're from the south doesn't mean you're required to be ignorant.

[mcveyrl]

Does look promising.........does anyone know if they have upgraded the turf in the Mini-dome, or they'll wait until FB actually comes back to J. City. A VMI football parent told me in the late '90s that the air in that place was stagnet, and the floor/astro-turf smelled of pee.

If you consider no turf an upgrade then yes, they have upgraded it. I spend some time over there working with their baseball team and sports science department. It is just the basketball floor and some indoor tennis court facilities. There's an indoor track and indoor baseball workout equipment, but no indication that football was ever played there.

I think they just upgraded their soccer complex and I could see them maybe expanding that.

Funny, I saw a shirt in the grocery store the other day that said ETSU Football: Undefeated since 2003.

[citdog]

Georgia and Mississippi aren't southern, sovereign states?

Just because you're from the south doesn't mean you're required to be ignorant.


the PEOPLE of Alabama choose NOT to have those in THEIR State. meddling in the domestic politics of the States led to the most devastating war ever seen on this continent and even having to momentarily give up THE CAUSE WE WILL NOT TOLERATE BEING DICTATED TO BY OUTSIDERS. BELOW SUMS UP OUR FEELINGS.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnNWtDRrHrQ

[superman7515]

Once the old whites in power die out (can't come soon enough), the state will be dragged kicking and screaming to progress by the new, young policy makers who take their place. And I will be grinning ear to ear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbVvc9y6rMM

[dgtw]

Saban's salary is paid by the athletic department, which is self supporting. No taxpayer (including mine) money is used.

How big is the high school stadium in Johnson City?

[proasu89]

Georgia and Mississippi aren't southern, sovereign states?

Just because you're from the south doesn't mean you're required to be ignorant.



Mpls, keeping threads on topic since 2006!

[MplsBison]

the PEOPLE of Alabama choose NOT to have those in THEIR State. meddling in the domestic politics of the States led to the most devastating war ever seen on this continent and even having to momentarily give up THE CAUSE WE WILL NOT TOLERATE BEING DICTATED TO BY OUTSIDERS. BELOW SUMS UP OUR FEELINGS.

Right since it's nearly impossible to become a legal resident of Alabama. Something like moving there and residing for a whole 30 days! Woo hoo, now I'm an insider!

[MplsBison]

Saban's salary is paid by the athletic department, which is self supporting. No taxpayer (including mine) money is used.

How big is the high school stadium in Johnson City?

All the same, it shows you how screwed up the priorities are in that state.

Alabama football represents everything wrong with the state.

[citdog]

Right since it's nearly impossible to become a legal resident of Alabama. Something like moving there and residing for a whole 30 days!

WHAT IS SO HARD FOR YOU YANKEE SCUM TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THESE TYPE OF ISSUES. YOU WILL NOT DICTATE TO US WHAT IS OR IS NOT ACCEPTGABLE WITHIN THE LIMITS OF OUR STATES. THE SOUTH BY GOD IS GOING TO BE RUN BY SOUTHRONS.

[MplsBison]

WHAT IS SO HARD FOR YOU YANKEE SCUM TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THESE TYPE OF ISSUES. YOU WILL NOT DICTATE TO US WHAT IS OR IS NOT ACCEPTGABLE WITHIN THE LIMITS OF OUR STATES. THE SOUTH BY GOD IS GOING TO BE RUN BY SOUTHRONS.

Well, I can definitely say I am not a south ron.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Oh, how I've waited for this day that citdog and Mpls get in an all-out flame war. xpopcornx

[ElCid]

I think it would be great to get them back into the SOCON. Whether App St and Ga. So. leave or not.

[ElCid]

And as a point of trivia, I still think it would be great to have them back in the SOCON even though the last victory ETSU had before they folded was against the Citadel.

[ETSUfan1]

Great news for ETSU. For those asking about the dome, it will be out of the question. Our new president has already said a new outdoor stadium will be built. Would make a nice practice facility though.

I would love to be back in the SoCon. Really anywhere other than the ASUN would be great. That league is abysmal.

[citdog]

Well, I can definitely say I am not a south ron.


then kindly STAY OUT OF OUR AFFAIRS.

[UNAPride]

Why should you care about the domestic politics of States which you don't reside in and have no ties to. Alabama will do what she wants and as a Sovereign State she has the right to do. It would behoove outsiders to quit meddling in the domestic affairs of the Southern States. as..........

Is this a satirical user? I feel like I'm reading the Onion with their comments on this thread.

[Bisonoline]

WHAT IS SO HARD FOR YOU YANKEE SCUM TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THESE TYPE OF ISSUES. YOU WILL NOT DICTATE TO US WHAT IS OR IS NOT ACCEPTGABLE WITHIN THE LIMITS OF OUR STATES. THE SOUTH BY GOD IS GOING TO BE RUN BY SOUTHRONS.

Considering all the Federal money your state receives and all the laws enacted to bring you under control hows that working for you?xcoffeex

[citdog]

Is this a satirical user? I feel like I'm reading the Onion with their comments on this thread.



well this should make you really cry.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwlWsQMFtrM

[citdog]

Considering all the Federal money your state receives and all the laws enacted to bring you under control hows that working for you?xcoffeex


military retirees lead to that #. even if that wasn't the case just consider it reparations for your illegal war of coercion waged against the laws of war and defenseless civilians.

[Bisonoline]

military retirees lead to that #. even if that wasn't the case just consider it reparations for your illegal war of coercion waged against the laws of war and defenseless civilians.

Its not the case but---- when will your family be paying reparations for all the slaves you scumbags owned?

[citdog]

Its not the case but---- when will your family be paying reparations for all the slaves you scumbags owned?

Slaves? i've never heard of that......now we might have swapped out some yardwork in exchange for food and room and board and some health care but this is the first i'm hearing about this.

[asumike83]

Great news for ETSU. For those asking about the dome, it will be out of the question. Our new president has already said a new outdoor stadium will be built. Would make a nice practice facility though.

I would love to be back in the SoCon. Really anywhere other than the ASUN would be great. That league is abysmal.

I always wondered why they played indoors, seemed odd. It would make a nice practice facility, could probably be used by your other sports as well. Getting ETSU back in the SoCon would be fine with me, I'd much rather have them than Presbyterian or Gardner-Webb. They've got history with the conference and it is such an easy drive from ASU. If we are still around, I'd welcome the opportunity to travel to a road game and stay in Boone.

[Skyhawk71]

Saban's salary is paid by the athletic department, which is self supporting. No taxpayer (including mine) money is used.

How big is the high school stadium in Johnson City? Science Hill Stadium- 6,500, nice brick stadium, large chairback section- turf field

[Stonewall D]

Once the old whites in power die out (can't come soon enough), the state will be dragged kicking and screaming to progress by the new, young policy makers who take their place. And I will be grinning ear to ear.

Excuse me?

[MplsBison]

Excuse me?

Sure, you're excused.

Did you have something to say?

[mcveyrl]

Science Hill Stadium- 6,500, nice brick stadium, large chairback section- turf field

That stadium is only a couple of years old too. It's a ways from campus, but it could serve as a temporary site while they built something on or close to campus.

I was listening to the radio this morning and they were interviewing the head of the task force. It doesn't sound like they are pursuing the non-scholarship route. One of the main topics was Title IX compliance and the detailed report apparently deals with those issues and gives possible sports that could be added to comply with Title IX. There was also mention of hopefully being invited to the SoCon.

[Stonewall D]

Once the old whites in power die out (can't come soon enough), the state will be dragged kicking and screaming to progress by the new, young policy makers who take their place. And I will be grinning ear to ear.

Mpls, please explain what you mean by "whites in power die out (can't come soon enough)"

[citdog]

Mpls, please explain what you mean by "whites in power die out (can't come soon enough)"


his new username is wesleymplsbison.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMzk89bYjiQ

[CID1990]

Right since it's nearly impossible to become a legal resident of Alabama. Something like moving there and residing for a whole 30 days! Woo hoo, now I'm an insider!

If Alabama didn't exist, you wouldn't be able to live there.

Right, MensaBison?

[MplsBison]

Mpls, please explain what you mean by "whites in power die out (can't come soon enough)"

It's self explanatory, although you clearly left out part of the context (old). Perhaps you can elaborate on which part of the statement you find confusing?

[CID1990]

Oh, how I've waited for this day that citdog and Mpls get in an all-out flame war. xpopcornx

My b!tch should know better...

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[ETSUfan1]

ETSU could kick off in 2016


http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Sports/article.php?id=103671

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

Most western schools that dropped did so for scheduling or gender equity reasons. Midwestern/southern schools have tended to drop over funding. The MAAC schools dropped off because of declining support and the unstable nature of that conference, while Northeastern and Hofstra (and Western Washington in Div. II) were more by presidential fiat.

ETSU did in football by presidential fiat.

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

Great news for ETSU. For those asking about the dome, it will be out of the question. Our new president has already said a new outdoor stadium will be built. Would make a nice practice facility though.

I would love to be back in the SoCon. Really anywhere other than the ASUN would be great. That league is abysmal.

Welcome to AGS from a fellow Buc.

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

And now the students like the idea as well, could there be a Bring Back Buc Football group in the future...

http://johnsoncitypress.com/News/article.php?id=103676

[ETSUfan1]

And now the students like the idea as well, could there be a Bring Back Buc Football group in the future...

http://johnsoncitypress.com/News/article.php?id=103676

https://www.facebook.com/BucFootball?fref=ts

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I've been following ETSU's steadfast support for bringing back football since the president (as was mentioned) pretty much did it in by presidential fiat. Every year for the last (six, at least?) years there have been alumni and some students clamoring for its return at any level. If Buc Football comes back, it could be a textbook for any alumni organization who is serious about starting or re-starting football. I do know the key is continuous, multi-year support.

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

And now a column from the Johnson City Press.

http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Opinion/article.php?id=103669

Note the number of anti-football fanatics in the comments section.

[T-Dog]

I would be fine with ETSU joining the SoCon if ASU went to FBS.

I feel good for the ETSU Football Foundation. They've gone through some dark years and have been shunned and at times blacklisted by thier own school.

I went to the Mini Dome last year for the ASU/ETSU basketball game and it was sad to see. Student interest was completely dead. Some did show up, but most just conversated behind the bleachers like it was high school. The Dome itself is a fading relic of a past generation. Ceiling tiles were hanging down, one side of the building was deemed unsafe for public use and the hallways were dark and unsanitary. That building badly needs to be destroyed.

[49RFootballNow]

And now a column from the Johnson City Press.

http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Opinion/article.php?id=103669

Note the number of anti-football fanatics in the comments section.

These folks always come out. Its best to bulldoze over them with facts.

[UAalum72]

Question that probably deserves a thread:

I've noticed that teams starting up football tend to be in the South. Teams that have dropped football are on the coasts. There used to be all kinds of teams in California- Fullerton, Long Beach, Pacific- and all kinds of teams in the Northeast- Boston U, St. John's, Iona.
Northeastern teams which have started football since 1990:
Division I - Bryant - 2006
Robert Morris - 1994
Monmouth - 1993
Sacred Heart - 1991
Division II - New Haven - 2009 (restarted after five years off)
Lincoln - 2008 (restarted after 48 years)
Merrimack - 1996
St. Anselm - 1998
Division III - Morrisville SUNY - 2006
Maritime College SUNY - 2006 (restarted after 17 years)
Husson ME - 2003
Utica College NY - 2001
Mount Ida MA - 1999
Becker MA - 2005
Castleton VT - 2009
Anna Maria MA - 2009

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Northeastern teams which have started football since 1990:
Division I - Bryant - 2006
Robert Morris - 1994
Monmouth - 1993
Sacred Heart - 1991
Division II - New Haven - 2009 (restarted after five years off)
Lincoln - 2008 (restarted after 48 years)
Merrimack - 1996
St. Anselm - 1998
Division III - Morrisville SUNY - 2006
Maritime College SUNY - 2006 (restarted after 17 years)
Husson ME - 2003
Utica College NY - 2001
Mount Ida MA - 1999
Becker MA - 2005
Castleton VT - 2009
Anna Maria MA - 2009

Without looking I can name a bunch of D-I schools in the Northeast that have disbanded football since 1990 as well.

Siena
Canisius
St. Peter's
LaSalle
St. John's
Iona
Fairfield
Hofstra
Northeastern
BU

Expand that to D-II/III/NAIA and I bet it's a net negative rather than positive.

Don't get me wrong, it's great there have been so many programs popping up at all levels. It's just that there's an equal and opposite reaction in the East with presidents that want to tear them down.

[kperk014]

Does look promising.........does anyone know if they have upgraded the turf in the Mini-dome, or they'll wait until FB actually comes back to J. City. A VMI football parent told me in the late '90s that the air in that place was stagnet, and the floor/astro-turf smelled of pee.

That dates back to when the University of North Alabama christened the Mini Dome by beating the pee out of ETSU 37-21 but it wasn't nearly as bad as the 36-0 trouncing of Middle Tennessee State 3 years later.

[UAalum72]

A few others but not that many - Swarthmore, UMass-Lowell, UMass-Boston, Ramapo, Brooklyn, Upsala (college is closed).
http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/past.htm

Mansfield dropped varsity but started Sprint Football.

A lot more programs seemed to go under in the 1945-55 period. If you figure that the MAAC programs were run like D-III, only BU, Hofstra and Northeastern were major programs that shut down since current players were born. If Albany and Stony Brook start to be thought of at the same level it'll pretty much be a wash - not nearly the collapse that's been implied. The fading of the Ivy League is another contributor to that image.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

A few others but not that many - Swarthmore, UMass-Lowell, UMass-Boston, Ramapo, Brooklyn, Upsala (college is closed).
http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/past.htm

Mansfield dropped varsity but started Sprint Football.

A lot more programs seemed to go under in the 1945-55 period. If you figure that the MAAC programs were run like D-III, only BU, Hofstra and Northeastern were major programs that shut down since current players were born. If Albany and Stony Brook start to be thought of at the same level it'll pretty much be a wash - not nearly the collapse that's been implied. The fading of the Ivy League is another contributor to that image.

True that. Interestingly, I'm reading "When Saturdays Mattered Most" right now, and in there is revealed (in another context) one of the more underreported reasons why football programs were croaking from 1945-1955. Namely, it was an era of mass substitutions when the larger schools were simply fielding tons of athletes and subbing them in and out to keep them fresh. Teams like Fordham, Georgetown and the like, who relied on a squad of 10-12 great ironmen with no "depth" to compete, like the "Seven blocks of Granite", suddenly couldn't. It wasn't the only reason, but it had to be a big one.

By the mid-1950's there was a return to "ironmen football" and smaller squad sizes, but it was too late.

[Laker]

I'm reading "When Saturdays Mattered Most" right now, .

Author? That book sounds interesting!

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

I would be fine with ETSU joining the SoCon if ASU went to FBS.

I feel good for the ETSU Football Foundation. They've gone through some dark years and have been shunned and at times blacklisted by thier own school.

I went to the Mini Dome last year for the ASU/ETSU basketball game and it was sad to see. Student interest was completely dead. Some did show up, but most just conversated behind the bleachers like it was high school. The Dome itself is a fading relic of a past generation. Ceiling tiles were hanging down, one side of the building was deemed unsafe for public use and the hallways were dark and unsanitary. That building badly needs to be destroyed.

Could not agree anymore. When I was at ASU, Chancellor Borkowski made a statement that Owens Field House was the worst dressing room in the SoCon. With all due respect to the Chancellor, I submit that the Mini Dome was the worst football stadium in the SoCon (quite possibly the worst in FCS).

[Sonic98]

I'm assuming this has turned into a joke thread. I know where seriously not arguing about states' rights and meddlng.

[DFW HOYA]

Teams like Fordham, Georgetown and the like, who relied on a squad of 10-12 great ironmen with no "depth" to compete, like the "Seven blocks of Granite", suddenly couldn't. It wasn't the only reason, but it had to be a big one.

Not for Georgetown--it was carrying 81 scholarship players at the time.

The schools that dropped football during this period had three common characteristics: 1) urban schools mostly playing in rented professional stadiums, where the growth of the NFL were overshadowing the college product, 2) failure to promote the product to fans unconnected with the school, relying almost exclusively on walk-up tickets to fund the program, and 3) college presidents who sought to burnish their academic street cred (to use a decidedly non-1950's term) by closing down teams as an act of administrative will.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Not for Georgetown--it was carrying 81 scholarship players at the time.

The schools that dropped football during this period had three common characteristics: 1) urban schools mostly playing in rented professional stadiums, where the growth of the NFL were overshadowing the college product, 2) failure to promote the product to fans unconnected with the school, relying almost exclusively on walk-up tickets to fund the program, and 3) college presidents who sought to burnish their academic street cred (to use a decidedly non-1950's term) by closing down teams as an act of administrative will.

Not contesting these facts you've brought up - I agree with them all - but the 81 scholarship athletes were something that was unsustainable, too, financially for a school like Georgetown (and other religious-based schools like Xavier, Fordham, etc.) Certainly that was one big cost to go with 1), and it coincided with the rise of the big programs who were using that overpowering formula to crush the competition. In the 1930s, you could have a tiny squad and compete with anyone. In 1950, suddenly you needed 80-100 scholarship athletes just to get in the game.

Certainly presidents put their foot down, too. Some went as far as to call football "indentured servitude" to the school and thus opposed football for moral reasons - and it didn't help that football did best in the Jim Crow south, either.

[ASU_Fanatic]

They make too much sense for the SoCon especially since the SoCon is already needing teams. It would be cool to have them back, but I'm hoping by the time they are playing again App will be in the FBS.

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

They make too much sense for the SoCon especially since the SoCon is already needing teams. It would be cool to have them back, but I'm hoping by the time they are playing again App will be in the FBS.

You could very well be right, but check out this sportscaster's grown up Christmas list.

http://www2.wjhl.com/sports/2012/dec/21/kaseys-corner-ar-2430182/

[Wallace]

Memories... football back at ETSU is all good.

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

Dave Mullins is OUT as ETSU AD, Richard Sander (formerly of VCU) named interim AD.

http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/News/article.php?id=104214

In other news, Noland holds his conference today saying football discussion begins tomorrow and Sander (interim AD) will be leading the discussion per Kasey Marler @ WJHL.

https://twitter.com/kmarlerwjhl

[CID1990]

I would love to see ETSU come back to the SoCon, but I have just one request.

PLEASE get an outdoor stadium, and if that cannot happen, please clean the pee and old socks smell out of the dome.

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

Johnson City Press article on Sander, decision to come in a matter of weeks.

http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Sports/article.php?id=104234

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

This just in, ETSU SGA to hold a vote on the matter Tuesday.

http://www.easttennessean.com/news/football-restart-goes-to-vote-1.2976954#.UQaZUIaoZ8E