PL's 1st Scholarship Class.....

[CFBfan]

Does anyone have any insight or info on recruits that are being brought in for official visits or that have committed already?

[Franks Tanks]

Does anyone have any insight or info on recruits that are being brought in for official visits or that have committed already?

Lafayette has 3 commits thus far.

A RB from North Penn High school (Mayfield) who said he had interest at one point from schools like Rutgers and Temple (I know what does that really mean).

We have a DE who committed to Lafayette over offers from Towson and Toledo according to the young man, and a quality O-linemen who had an offer from Albany.

Lehigh has a QB comitted from the Lehigh Valley who is a quality player, and I believe 2 big OL kids.


In the very early stages it appears our commits are guys we wouldn't have signed without scholarships, but hard to know for sure.

[RichH2]

LU also has a ** LB from Fla and a big LB/FB from Pennridge

[Gater]

Colgate only has one signee listed on ESPN (which is all I have access to). He is a two star recruit with offers to Youngstown St. and Penn.

[RichH2]

Open recruiting period now, so campus visits will yield more info. For us a slightly different recruiting model. We can certainly recruit many more kids that we could not have gotten before, key is whether we get enuf of them. Hopefully coaches learned from Fordham's first few yrs of schollies. FU went after FBS level recruits, did get a few but failed the vast majority of the time, leading to a series of subpar seasons. Do not overreach. We need to go after same top tier for FCS kids that we always have and get more of them.

[Go Green]

Colgate only has one signee listed on ESPN .

FWIW, Dartmouth signed a safety who had a Colgate scholarship offer. Mark Bavaro's son.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/high-school/post/_/id/20302/recruiting-notes-preps-bavaro-set-for-dartmouth

[CFBfan]

Colgate only has one signee listed on ESPN (which is all I have access to). He is a two star recruit with offers to Youngstown St. and Penn.

do you know what position?

[ngineer]

Big *** OL from Muhlenberg HS has committed to Lehigh. Supposedly had offers from some Big East schools.

[RichH2]

Darn it n you beat me to it.

[Franks Tanks]

Big *** OL from Muhlenberg HS has committed to Lehigh. Supposedly had offers from some Big East schools.

Link?

[Pard4Life]

Link?

Same one as on the Pards board... Zach Duffy... http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/165440/zach-duffy

[Pard4Life]

Our unofficial list from our board:

Some players with offers listed on ESPN:

Shawn Wilkins, #236 WR (how do you even determine that?), 6'3", 181 lbs, Uxbridge, MA; Offers: Albany, Brown, CCSU, Coastal Carolina, Dartmouth, Fordham, Gtown, Marist, Harvard, Lafayette, Lehigh, Monmouth, UPenn, Princeton, Yale, URI, Wagner, RMU... 31 catches, 603 yards, 4 TDs... info from the non-pay portion: "Wilkins will provide versatility on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball at the skill position. Displays good height but lacks bulk and strength on a lean frame. Lacks great burst and acceleration but will build up momentum with straight-lined speed downfield at the receiver position. "


Will Heikkinen, WR, Andover, MA 6'2", 194 lbs: Colgate, Lafayette, Princeton, Dartmouth

Parker Clonts, OLB, Tampa, FL, Jesuit HS, 5'11", 165 lbs (is this for real?): Air Force, Lafayette, Lehigh

Brandon Spatz, WR, Philadelpha, Father Judge HS, 6'0, 195lbs: Bryant, Lafayette, Lehigh, Monmouth, URI, Temple, Stony Brook, Villanova, W&M... 40 dash: 4.58secs

Caleb Scepaniak, Binghampton, NY, Union-Endicott, ATHLETE, QB 6'5", 225, Offers from: Buffalo, Fordham, Wagner, Cornell .. we are the only other FCS on the list, along with lower-level BCS teams... "Scepaniak left (BC) without an offer but he didn't seem too down when we talked to him. He plans on returning for the June 9 camp and he knows that's his best chance to pick up that coveted offer. He also plans on camping at NC State, Iowa, Illinois and Indiana. Scepaniak told EagleAction.com that he would like to make a decision by the beginning of August. So far he has offers from Buffalo, Cornell, Fordham and Wagner.


Kevin Weller, West Lawn, PA, Wilson HS (isn't this ZZ's HS?) 6'1", 220lb QB, list includes Lafayette, Bucknell, Harvard, Holy Cross, Ill. State, and BCS's like Missouri, Florida State, South Carolina... so I don't know...

James Staten, WR, 6'4", 190lbs, Towson, MD, List: Brown, Bucknell, Davidson, Lafayette, Marist, Monmouth, RMU, Towson, Stony Brook, and the rest BCS: Northwestern, WVU, Temple, Mizzou, Ohio

Caleb Johnson, OLB, 6'4", 215 lbs, Northern Lehigh, offers from: Lafayette, Bucknell, Holy Cross, Colgate, Pittsburgh, UMass... Rivals 2-star, 5.4 rating

Matt Donoghue, 2-star, 5.4 rating, whom we listed above, OL, offers from LC, Bucknell, lists the rest as BCS like BC, Temple, Duke

Michael Wiand, ILB, Mifflinburg, 6'2", 205, lists: Bucknell, Monmouth, Indiana, Lafayette, PSU, Temple, Ohio St.

Tim Vangelas, WR, Colts Neck, NJ, 6'3", 175: Offers: Lafayette, Colgate, Bucknell; lists Colgate, HC, Penn, Princeton, Lehigh, Temple, among others

Tyrin Spencer, OLB, 6'2", 205, Ocean Springs, MS.. even though it seems like he is wrongly associated with us due to his proximity to the "other Lafayette", he lists Columbia and some southern schools

Graham Resseguie, S, 5'11", 180lbs, Lincoln, NE, Pius X Lincoln, Lists: Drake, Lafayette, South Dakota, Valpo, K-State, Nebraska

Kyle Downer, QB, 6'3", 210lbs, Vienna, VA... offered by JMU, lists Bucknell, Richmond, Towson, Lafayette, WM, Virginia, Duke, VTech, Maryland

Javancy Jones, OLB, 6'1", 205lbs, 2-star rivals rating, 5.4 rating, Macon, MS, offered by: Arkansas St., lists: Harvard, Lafayette, Princeton, Stanford, Yale, Miss. State, Alabama, Memphis, SMU

Micah Tennant, 6'6', OT, 305lbs, Ligonier Valley PA... Lafayette and Lehigh

QB Brandon Lavia, Central Dauphin, Harrisburg Ht:6'1" Wt:205 lbs 40:4.65 secs; Boston Coll., Bowling Green Bucknell Cornell Lafayette Lehigh Maryland Massachusetts Penn St. Pennsylvania Princeton Purdue Temple Towson William & Mary Yale

Chris O'Connor, Archbishop Wood, Sr., 6-6, 285, guard. http://articles.philly.com/2012-10-28/sports/34765425_1_offensive-linemen-position-by-position-rankings-archbishop-wood

Marquise Watson, 6'0'', 255 lbs. DT, Paramus Catholic, NJ (thank you Chris Partridge)... offers from us, Maryland, Miami OH, Monmouth, Temple... interest from Boise State, Pitt, Rutgers

Watson high on Boise State... Several states are represented on Boise State’s roster. New Jersey is not one of them. They do find themselves in the top group of one prospect from the Garden State, though.

Defensive tackle Marquise Watson (Paramus, N.J./Paramus Catholic) reports a handful of offers including FBS programs Maryland, Miami (Ohio) and Temple. Colgate, Lafayette and Monmouth have also offered.

The Broncos have not, but Watson made a visit to Boise and the Broncos are among Watson’s favorites along with those three FBS programs to offer and Pittsburgh and Rutgers.

Danny Grasso, 6'3'', 210 lbs. OLB, Bergen Catholic, NJ.. offered from Navy, lists us and Colgate


Mike Kelly, 6'1'', 205 lbs. ILB, West Chester, OH Lakota West HS... offers from us, Brown, Indiana State, Princeton, Villanova, Yale... lists Harvard, Kent State, Ohio

Brother of 'Bama LB could go Ivy League... The Kelly family must be proud. One son is at the No. 1 BCS program for football. Another could be off to the No. 1 school for academics.

Lakota West (West Chester, Ohio) inside linebacker Mike Kelly is hearing from a few MAC schools, but his eyes are on the top three academic institutions in the country according to the latest U.S. News & World Report rankings.

Although Ivy League programs do not give out athletic scholarships, Lakota West coach Larry Cox said his 6-foot-1, 205-pound linebacker has been approached by Princeton and Yale to play football at their respective school. Harvard is evaluating Kelly now and could also do the same, Cox said.

Devlin Brennan, OL, 6'3, 285, Our Lady of Lourdes, Poughkepsie, NY (Andy?), 2-star, Offered by us, Dartmouth, Bucknell, Army ... seems high on Army

Zach Madden, 6'5, 240, DE, Cherokee, Marlton, NJ... Offered by us, Cornell, Monmouth, Penn... lists Temple, Colorado, Richmond, Wofford, Yale, UConn, Brown

Leon Cummings, 5'8, 173, RB, Gainesville, FL, Salisbury School... lists us, Albany, Bucknell, Brown Stain, Maine, UNH, Stony Brook, PSU, NC State, Michigan, Bowling Green

Brandon Spatz, a 6-1, 200-pound junior wide receiver and linebacker, is being recruited by a number of Division I-AA programs, including William and Mary, Lehigh, and Lafayette. http://articles.philly.com/2012-0..._1_croke-park-crusaders-ireland/2

[Franks Tanks]

Same one as on the Pards board... Zach Duffy... http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/165440/zach-duffy

I remember that one-- thanks

[CFBfan]

Our unofficial list from our board:

Some players with offers listed on ESPN:

Shawn Wilkins, #236 WR (how do you even determine that?), 6'3", 181 lbs, Uxbridge, MA; Offers: Albany, Brown, CCSU, Coastal Carolina, Dartmouth, Fordham, Gtown, Marist, Harvard, Lafayette, Lehigh, Monmouth, UPenn, Princeton, Yale, URI, Wagner, RMU... 31 catches, 603 yards, 4 TDs... info from the non-pay portion: "Wilkins will provide versatility on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball at the skill position. Displays good height but lacks bulk and strength on a lean frame. Lacks great burst and acceleration but will build up momentum with straight-lined speed downfield at the receiver position. "


Will Heikkinen, WR, Andover, MA 6'2", 194 lbs: Colgate, Lafayette, Princeton, Dartmouth

Parker Clonts, OLB, Tampa, FL, Jesuit HS, 5'11", 165 lbs (is this for real?): Air Force, Lafayette, Lehigh

Brandon Spatz, WR, Philadelpha, Father Judge HS, 6'0, 195lbs: Bryant, Lafayette, Lehigh, Monmouth, URI, Temple, Stony Brook, Villanova, W&M... 40 dash: 4.58secs

Caleb Scepaniak, Binghampton, NY, Union-Endicott, ATHLETE, QB 6'5", 225, Offers from: Buffalo, Fordham, Wagner, Cornell .. we are the only other FCS on the list, along with lower-level BCS teams... "Scepaniak left (BC) without an offer but he didn't seem too down when we talked to him. He plans on returning for the June 9 camp and he knows that's his best chance to pick up that coveted offer. He also plans on camping at NC State, Iowa, Illinois and Indiana. Scepaniak told EagleAction.com that he would like to make a decision by the beginning of August. So far he has offers from Buffalo, Cornell, Fordham and Wagner.


Kevin Weller, West Lawn, PA, Wilson HS (isn't this ZZ's HS?) 6'1", 220lb QB, list includes Lafayette, Bucknell, Harvard, Holy Cross, Ill. State, and BCS's like Missouri, Florida State, South Carolina... so I don't know...

James Staten, WR, 6'4", 190lbs, Towson, MD, List: Brown, Bucknell, Davidson, Lafayette, Marist, Monmouth, RMU, Towson, Stony Brook, and the rest BCS: Northwestern, WVU, Temple, Mizzou, Ohio

Caleb Johnson, OLB, 6'4", 215 lbs, Northern Lehigh, offers from: Lafayette, Bucknell, Holy Cross, Colgate, Pittsburgh, UMass... Rivals 2-star, 5.4 rating

Matt Donoghue, 2-star, 5.4 rating, whom we listed above, OL, offers from LC, Bucknell, lists the rest as BCS like BC, Temple, Duke

Michael Wiand, ILB, Mifflinburg, 6'2", 205, lists: Bucknell, Monmouth, Indiana, Lafayette, PSU, Temple, Ohio St.

Tim Vangelas, WR, Colts Neck, NJ, 6'3", 175: Offers: Lafayette, Colgate, Bucknell; lists Colgate, HC, Penn, Princeton, Lehigh, Temple, among others

Tyrin Spencer, OLB, 6'2", 205, Ocean Springs, MS.. even though it seems like he is wrongly associated with us due to his proximity to the "other Lafayette", he lists Columbia and some southern schools

Graham Resseguie, S, 5'11", 180lbs, Lincoln, NE, Pius X Lincoln, Lists: Drake, Lafayette, South Dakota, Valpo, K-State, Nebraska

Kyle Downer, QB, 6'3", 210lbs, Vienna, VA... offered by JMU, lists Bucknell, Richmond, Towson, Lafayette, WM, Virginia, Duke, VTech, Maryland

Javancy Jones, OLB, 6'1", 205lbs, 2-star rivals rating, 5.4 rating, Macon, MS, offered by: Arkansas St., lists: Harvard, Lafayette, Princeton, Stanford, Yale, Miss. State, Alabama, Memphis, SMU

Micah Tennant, 6'6', OT, 305lbs, Ligonier Valley PA... Lafayette and Lehigh

QB Brandon Lavia, Central Dauphin, Harrisburg Ht:6'1" Wt:205 lbs 40:4.65 secs; Boston Coll., Bowling Green Bucknell Cornell Lafayette Lehigh Maryland Massachusetts Penn St. Pennsylvania Princeton Purdue Temple Towson William & Mary Yale

Chris O'Connor, Archbishop Wood, Sr., 6-6, 285, guard. http://articles.philly.com/2012-10-28/sports/34765425_1_offensive-linemen-position-by-position-rankings-archbishop-wood

Marquise Watson, 6'0'', 255 lbs. DT, Paramus Catholic, NJ (thank you Chris Partridge)... offers from us, Maryland, Miami OH, Monmouth, Temple... interest from Boise State, Pitt, Rutgers

Watson high on Boise State... Several states are represented on Boise State’s roster. New Jersey is not one of them. They do find themselves in the top group of one prospect from the Garden State, though.

Defensive tackle Marquise Watson (Paramus, N.J./Paramus Catholic) reports a handful of offers including FBS programs Maryland, Miami (Ohio) and Temple. Colgate, Lafayette and Monmouth have also offered.

The Broncos have not, but Watson made a visit to Boise and the Broncos are among Watson’s favorites along with those three FBS programs to offer and Pittsburgh and Rutgers.

Danny Grasso, 6'3'', 210 lbs. OLB, Bergen Catholic, NJ.. offered from Navy, lists us and Colgate


Mike Kelly, 6'1'', 205 lbs. ILB, West Chester, OH Lakota West HS... offers from us, Brown, Indiana State, Princeton, Villanova, Yale... lists Harvard, Kent State, Ohio

Brother of 'Bama LB could go Ivy League... The Kelly family must be proud. One son is at the No. 1 BCS program for football. Another could be off to the No. 1 school for academics.

Lakota West (West Chester, Ohio) inside linebacker Mike Kelly is hearing from a few MAC schools, but his eyes are on the top three academic institutions in the country according to the latest U.S. News & World Report rankings.

Although Ivy League programs do not give out athletic scholarships, Lakota West coach Larry Cox said his 6-foot-1, 205-pound linebacker has been approached by Princeton and Yale to play football at their respective school. Harvard is evaluating Kelly now and could also do the same, Cox said.

Devlin Brennan, OL, 6'3, 285, Our Lady of Lourdes, Poughkepsie, NY (Andy?), 2-star, Offered by us, Dartmouth, Bucknell, Army ... seems high on Army

Zach Madden, 6'5, 240, DE, Cherokee, Marlton, NJ... Offered by us, Cornell, Monmouth, Penn... lists Temple, Colorado, Richmond, Wofford, Yale, UConn, Brown

Leon Cummings, 5'8, 173, RB, Gainesville, FL, Salisbury School... lists us, Albany, Bucknell, Brown Stain, Maine, UNH, Stony Brook, PSU, NC State, Michigan, Bowling Green

Brandon Spatz, a 6-1, 200-pound junior wide receiver and linebacker, is being recruited by a number of Division I-AA programs, including William and Mary, Lehigh, and Lafayette. http://articles.philly.com/2012-0..._1_croke-park-crusaders-ireland/2

I'm familiar with NJ, the Bergen Catholic LB (Grasso) also has offers from U Del, Towson, Elon, along with Navy, Gate and LC (GU and 3 Ivies also but obviously no scholly from them) Looks like a number of these kids would be nice grabe for the PL.....

[Pard4Life]

I'm familiar with NJ, the Bergen Catholic LB (Grasso) also has offers from U Del, Towson, Elon, along with Navy, Gate and LC (GU and 3 Ivies also but obviously no scholly from them) Looks like a number of these kids would be nice grabe for the PL.....

Thanks... the recruiting sites can be inconsistent with their lists, but these are solid competition. If we beat these schools out, very encouraging...

[Neighbor2]

Patriot League WILL be moving up in ability. Never to the level of a NDSU, of course (wink, wink). Unfortunately, it will take a full 3-5 years to manifest itself correctly. Holding our breath, removing the sand from our faces will not be easy.

Gotta give Pard4Life, Franks Tanks, Rich, among others props for the intensity they bring in keeping up with this progression.

[RichH2]

Zach Duffy 6'5 310 *** Scouts ** Rivals. Listed also ESPN
I have him on LU board also.

[RichH2]

Tennant verballed Lehigh.

[RichH2]

Clonts wgt 213, but I believe he verballed Elon.

[Pard4Life]

Tennant verballed Lehigh.

Another 300+ pound giant for Lehigh...

[RichH2]

P4L
Nice recruit. Last 2 years Pards beat us out on just about all head to heads on OL recruits. Nice to finally win one. Mayfield a stud. He will be very good.
I know Bison have a couple of zAthlete types , did not notice any others. Fordham has an up to date list of recruits on their board.

[breezy]

Holy Cross has 5 reported verbals to date (unofficial of course).

RB GABE GUILD, Shawnee Mission South, KS

TE LUCAS NIKOLAISEN, DeSmet Jesuit, MO

QB PETER PUJALS, Loyola Academy, IL

WR/DB LUKE FORD, Loyola Academy, IL

DB KYLE YOUNG, Roxbury, NJ

[Pard4Life]

Nice national reach for HC...

Pards landed a local WR from the preceeding list today: Tim Vangelas, WR, Colts Neck, NJ, 6'3", 175: Offers: Lafayette, Colgate, Bucknell, Monmouth; lists Colgate, HC, Penn, Princeton, Lehigh, Temple, among others

[jdb037]

I know of two commits for the Bison

Nick O'Brien 5'8 165 (ATH) Exeter, PA
2* Devlin Brennan 6'3 280 (OL/DL) Poughkeepsie, NY. Offers from Army, Dartmouth, and Lafayette according to Rivals

[Pard4Life]

Oh wow you got Brennan? He showed up on yahoo a few days ago as an uncommitted... pretty good.

[jdb037]

Oh wow you got Brennan? He showed up on yahoo a few days ago as an uncommitted... pretty good.

MSG Varsity reported it last night on Twitter. Same section as my high school so I keep tabs on the few local kids who come out of that area. Not great football but this appears to be a good get for Susan.

Just saw on Twitter a little while ago that Bucknell got another commitment.

Nathan Medrano 6-0 (WR/CB) San Diego, CA. Can't find too much on him other than a few highlight videos

[Fordham]

Fordham

LB Marlon Crook (http://rivals.yahoo.com/bwi/football/recruiting/player-Marlon-Crook-136134;_ylt=Ap321JzjD97BFunUtN8CdUvNrJB4)

QB Brandon Fields (http://rivals.yahoo.com/bwi/football/recruiting/player-Brandon-Fields-119777;_ylt=AjulN21v9BmI8c.orraNmsrNrJB4)

WR Kyvaune Brammer (http://rivals.yahoo.com/bwi/football/recruiting/player-Kyvaune-Brammer-140826;_ylt=AhdPWSzpyAcvw1.earouWH_NrJB4)

OL/DL Charlie Credendino (http://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/ny/harrison/harrison-high-school3/charlie-credendino)

[TheValleyRaider]

Poughkeepsie, eh? Wonder if I should have made a few phone calls...

[CFBfan]

Fordham

LB Marlon Crook (http://rivals.yahoo.com/bwi/football/recruiting/player-Marlon-Crook-136134;_ylt=Ap321JzjD97BFunUtN8CdUvNrJB4)

QB Brandon Fields (http://rivals.yahoo.com/bwi/football/recruiting/player-Brandon-Fields-119777;_ylt=AjulN21v9BmI8c.orraNmsrNrJB4)

WR Kyvaune Brammer (http://rivals.yahoo.com/bwi/football/recruiting/player-Kyvaune-Brammer-140826;_ylt=AhdPWSzpyAcvw1.earouWH_NrJB4)

OL/DL Charlie Credendino (http://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/ny/harrison/harrison-high-school3/charlie-credendino)

Crook looks like a very nice get for the Rams.
IMHO Moorehead really knows what he is doing and I think might be the better of all PL coaches at recruiting right now with scholarship background and he may well be next seasons coach of the year

[Pard4Life]

Crook looks like a very nice get for the Rams.
IMHO Moorehead really knows what he is doing and I think might be the better of all PL coaches at recruiting right now with scholarship background and he may well be next seasons coach of the year

Marlon Cook looks like a real get.. who turns down an offer from Harvard and FBS Ohio?

[Fordham]

Marlon Cook looks like a real get.. who turns down an offer from Harvard and FBS Ohio?

Not sure about Harvard. Maybe his parents are loaded and he would have been paying full freight? Other than that, I've got nothing.

Also add Tebucky Jones, Jr to the class as a transfer from UCONN

[Pard4Life]

It seems like Fordham has become a UConn transfer magnet. That said, Fordham has had two transfers in two years... is this to be expected at all PL's with schollies?

[Fordham]

He will be our 4th transfer. OL from Penn St, DL from Duke, QB from UCONN and now Tebucky.

I think it'll become much, much more common at all PL schools.

[RichH2]

I agree. PL will ne a viable option now for kids not playing or just not comfortable at FBS or other FCS schools. Dont expect it to be a flood but certainly a number most every year.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh seems to be interested in ACC RB McDermott from what I gather. How true is that?

[DFW HOYA]

Interesting thread.

Unfortunately, I have nothing to add to it.

[RichH2]

GU just offered 3 recruits in the Tampa area.

As to McDermott, it is very true. Nick is recruiting him as well. He is a Eachus type runner. He is a borderline.FBS recruit.

[Pard4Life]

Interesting thread.

Unfortunately, I have nothing to add to it.


xrolleyesx

[Franks Tanks]

GU just offered 3 recruits in the Tampa area.

As to McDermott, it is very true. Nick is recruiting him as well. He is a Eachus type runner. He is a borderline.FBS recruit.

I've seen McDermott several times. He is a very good athlete, but also very small. The kids seems to be about 5'9" and 170 pounds. I could be wrong but he looks tiny out there. He has good vision and is quick and tough, but really nothing like Eachus. He would be a no brainer in the old non-scholly PL. Probably still a PL scholarship player, but I would be concerned about his size and durability.

[ngineer]

Seems remeniscent of Eric Rath of Pius X who had a nice little run at Lehigh about 10 years ago. He's had tremendous numbers...somewhat like Barket, as well? Who's "Nick" that is recruiting him?

[RichH2]

Tank
He is 5'11 200. Not to concerned about durability, he is averaging over 30 carries a game. Not the fastest guy but tremendous leg drive and field vision. I would rather a scatback, but what do I know. Recruit weekend for us, so we'll get some idea who Andy is targetting.
Shafnisky. Of course have no idea if he can qualify or is even interested.

[Franks Tanks]

Tank
He is 5'11 200. Not to concerned about durability, he is averaging over 30 carries a game. Not the fastest guy but tremendous leg drive and field vision. I would rather a scatback, but what do I know. Recruit weekend for us, so we'll get some idea who Andy is targetting.
Shafnisky. Of course have no idea if he can qualify or is even interested.

Listed as 180 on ESPN site. I would suspect McDermott would be very interested in Lehigh as he has no other published offers at this point.

[RichH2]

Philly paper had him at 6'0 200. Call had him at 5'11 195, so I split the difference.

[busybee14]

Wags has a Duke wr transfer,working on getting name

[CFBfan]

Wags has a Duke wr transfer,working on getting name

no offense but xfering from Duke to Wagner seems like a very foolish move???

[Pard4Life]

no offense but xfering from Duke to Wagner seems like a very foolish move???

For some, football is sadly a priority.

[GateRaider63]

Colgate -

Jake Melville - QB - Sparta, NJ - https://twitter.com/hchoffV/status/279397366723915776
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1051011/highlights/20345376
Grant Siegel - OL - Gulliver Prep, FL - Grant Siegel decided to end the recruiting process a few days ago by making a commitment. "I visited Colgate last weekend and I verbally ... (You have to pay for the rest, but I'm guessing this is him saying he verbally commits to Colgate)

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Colgate -

Jake Melville - QB - Sparta, NJ - https://twitter.com/hchoffV/status/279397366723915776
Grant Siegel - OL - Gulliver Prep, FL - Grant Siegel decided to end the recruiting process a few days ago by making a commitment. "I visited Colgate last weekend and I verbally ... (You have to pay for the rest, but I'm guessing this is him saying he verbally commits to Colgate)

"... decided instead to go Lehigh, who's better!" :D Just kidding. I'd imagine you're right!

[GateRaider63]

"... decided instead to go Lehigh, who's better!" :D Just kidding. I'd imagine you're right!

Haha, here's some further confirmation about his commitment to the best team in the league... http://247sports.com/Player/Grant-Siegel-27334

[Tribal]

Welp, since there's rumor W&M may join the PL...we have 6 verbal commits so far.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Welp, since there's rumor W&M may join the PL...we have 6 verbal commits so far.

Go on...

[Tribal]

Nothing to report unless you see something in this article--as numerous CAAzone posters apparently have--indicating that W&M may find a new home in the PL. I don't see it.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/fairbank-blog/dp-spt-blog-wm-driscoll-20121217,0,7727605.post?page=1

If you click the link, quickly hit the STOP button or the page will default to an undesirable page. In other words, don't give it an opportunity to fully upload.

It's no secret that the PL has offered W&M a place at the table. Whether or not that move would be a good thing is open to debate.

[DFW HOYA]

W&M moving down in conferences? That's about as stupid as...well, you know..

[Pard4Life]

Yes, there was truth to the rumor of W&M to the PL, as well as UNH, or so I've heard from excellent sources. Both were actually in discussions to join the PL for football last summer, but when the CAA added Albany and Stony Brook, both were satisfied with the new line-up. W&M was concerned that schools like ODU were letting in anyone to play football. If there is anymore instability in the CAA, I can see W&M moving.

[breezy]

The story I heard -- directly from a person definitely in position to know -- was that New Hampshire and Richmond had tentatively agreed to join the PL and that plans for a public announcement were in the works. However, the CAA added Albany and Stony Brook, which caused the tentative agreement to unravel.

[DFW HOYA]

One of the under-reported issues about PL scholarships is that's it's not 15 per year up to 60, but no more than 30 within two years.

In theory, a school could offer fewer in one year and then have more for a perceived stronger class the following year; say, 10 and 20 instead of 15 and 15.

[Pard4Life]

The story I heard -- directly from a person definitely in position to know -- was that New Hampshire and Richmond had tentatively agreed to join the PL and that plans for a public announcement were in the works. However, the CAA added Albany and Stony Brook, which caused the tentative agreement to unravel.

Right, the "paper work was filled out" is how it was told to me. But I was told WM, not Richmond... specifically citing academics.

[RichH2]

It was UNH and W&M. Altho, I gather there was serious inquiry from UR. For a short while PL was hot as CAA sought to stabilize. Once it did heat faded. Not impossible in the future but that would await PL success w 60

. Patience. .

[Tribe4SF]

The W&M rumors are pure fantasy. The school was approached by the PL to ascertain if there might be interest, and the answer was no. The barriers to W&M considering the PL remain, and we have little in common with PL schools other than a strong liberal arts focus for undergrads, and academic selectivity.

With Villanova's press conference yesterday, their commitment to FCS, and CAA football is now clear. The CAA has nine football members who are not going anywhere. The strong suit in Eastern FCS football remains in the hands of the CAA. If Delaware and/or JMU should move up, the CAA will have little trouble adding new football members. Villanova, Richmond, UNH and W&M are not going to sacrifice competitive advantages to be part of a league they don't really fit in. As W&M AD Terry Driscoll said yesterday re the PL, "They have much more in common with each other than we do with them".

[Lehigh Football Nation]

The W&M rumors are pure fantasy. The school was approached by the PL to ascertain if there might be interest, and the answer was no. The barriers to W&M considering the PL remain, and we have little in common with PL schools other than a strong liberal arts focus for undergrads, and academic selectivity.

With Villanova's press conference yesterday, their commitment to FCS, and CAA football is now clear. The CAA has nine football members who are not going anywhere. The strong suit in Eastern FCS football remains in the hands of the CAA. If Delaware and/or JMU should move up, the CAA will have little trouble adding new football members. Villanova, Richmond, UNH and W&M are not going to sacrifice competitive advantages to be part of a league they don't really fit in. As W&M AD Terry Driscoll said yesterday re the PL, "They have much more in common with each other than we do with them".

Methinks thou protest too much.

I don't think you have to be Nostradamus to see that UNH and William & Mary in particular have been batting their eyelashes in the direction of the Patriot League. Personally I think UNH did so to force the CAA's hand to scramble to add Albany and Stony Brook, and thus secure the role of kingmaker in "CAA Football", which they did. As for William & Mary, I think their public flirtation with the Patriot League gives them options if the CAA either strays too far or breaks apart. If something were to happen, they'll have a place to go.

I don't think W&M is on the verge of joining the PL or anything like that. But if there are more moves in the CAA, like Delaware and JMU leaving for the MAC, for example, they might re-evaluate their options, and the PL might be their landing strip (along with Richmond in football).

[Tribe4SF]

Methinks thou protest too much.

I don't think you have to be Nostradamus to see that UNH and William & Mary in particular have been batting their eyelashes in the direction of the Patriot League. Personally I think UNH did so to force the CAA's hand to scramble to add Albany and Stony Brook, and thus secure the role of kingmaker in "CAA Football", which they did. As for William & Mary, I think their public flirtation with the Patriot League gives them options if the CAA either strays too far or breaks apart. If something were to happen, they'll have a place to go.

I don't think W&M is on the verge of joining the PL or anything like that. But if there are more moves in the CAA, like Delaware and JMU leaving for the MAC, for example, they might re-evaluate their options, and the PL might be their landing strip (along with Richmond in football).

There's no protest in what I said, just the facts. W&M has not been "flirting" with the PL, it's been the other way around. As to UNH "flirting" to force the CAA's hand, we all know you're a daydreamer, and that's just another daydream.

CAA football ain't going away, and the PL ain't cute enough to make anyone bat their eyelashes. If the PL wants to be attractive to any of the CAA schools, they'd need to address the AI, and the no-redshirt rule before "batting their eyes" any further.

[CFBfan]

There's no protest in what I said, just the facts. W&M has not been "flirting" with the PL, it's been the other way around. As to UNH "flirting" to force the CAA's hand, we all know you're a daydreamer, and that's just another daydream.

CAA football ain't going away, and the PL ain't cute enough to make anyone bat their eyelashes. If the PL wants to be attractive to any of the CAA schools, they'd need to address the AI, and the no-redshirt rule before "batting their eyes" any further.

And the thread is officialy hijacked!!

[Lehigh Football Nation]

There's no protest in what I said, just the facts. W&M has not been "flirting" with the PL, it's been the other way around. As to UNH "flirting" to force the CAA's hand, we all know you're a daydreamer, and that's just another daydream.

http://weblogs.dailypress.com/sports/etcblog/2012/04/william_and_mary_patient_amid.html


William and Mary’s academic profile has led observers to wonder for years if the Tribe wouldn’t be a better fit in the Patriot League, whose members are smaller, private schools — William and Mary is public — with similar academic standards.

“We’ll be playing someplace. We’ve never been a great fit any place,” Driscoll said with a chuckle. “Being an outlier isn’t something new to us. We’ve had a long tradition here. There’s some reluctance, as always, to jump off the ship. I wish I had a little more clarification about what the CAA, if in fact these two schools move forward, what’s going to happen. Because then the conversations begin with Old Dominion and other people. Do they feel they have to move?”

Driscoll added, “For us to make a pre-emptive strike, it’s not really in our nature. It doesn’t mean we’re ignorant about what’s going on. It’s just that it’s a little early to get the troops up in arms about this or that when we don’t really have anything beyond speculation. There may be some interest from the Patriot League or some interest from somebody else. But at this point we’re in a little bit of a wait-and-see mode, evaluate what our options are and then make a decision — not to do anything too hastily."

Strange. Unlike you, I believe Driscoll meant exactly what he said.

[DFW HOYA]

The Patriot League needs W&M more than the Tribe needs the PL.

The PL has five football schools in some form of commitment, but that's it. Fordham is always going to be looking for a better deal, Georgetown probably needs to be looking, and the AU-BU-Loyola side of the house may soon have a different vision for the PL than the one currently housed in the Lehigh Valley.

PL football needs the academic and athletic gravitas of the Virginia schools, and these schools know that the PL wouldn't turn them down if it was 2 years, 5 years, or 20 years down the road. Thus, no hurry.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

The Patriot League needs W&M more than the Tribe needs the PL right now.

Fixed it for you. I have no doubt that's true today, but tomorrow, with Villanova, moves that might affect the CAA, who knows?


The PL has five football schools in some form of commitment, but that's it. Fordham is always going to be looking for a better deal, Georgetown probably needs to be looking, and the AU-BU-Loyola side of the house may soon have a different vision for the PL than the one currently housed in the Lehigh Valley.

If Fordham is always looking for a "better deal", how come they're not in the CAA right now? Truth is they are much more happy in the PL than you give credit for, and they just got the big prize, football scholarships and a football league on the fast track to their vision.

If AU, BU, and Loyola become a block and try to destroy football, the entire league will bust apart, but how are they going to prevent the original five football schools + Army and Navy from keeping that from happening? Is Lafayette or Bucknell really going to take an active role in dismantling their football programs? Is Holy Cross? Not to mention Fordham is a part of that conversation as well.


PL football needs the academic and athletic gravitas of the Virginia schools, and these schools know that the PL wouldn't turn them down if it was 2 years, 5 years, or 20 years down the road. Thus, no hurry.

Do they? If the NEC falls apart, schools will be falling into their lap as they look for where to go. If the CAA falls apart, schools will be falling into their lap, too. The PL is in a surprisingly strong position after realignment. It's telling that they haven't lost members, only gained.

[Fordham]

...
If Fordham is always looking for a "better deal", how come they're not in the CAA right now? Truth is they are much more happy in the PL than you give credit for, and they just got the big prize, football scholarships and a football league on the fast track to their vision.
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agreed

[Tribe4SF]

http://weblogs.dailypress.com/sports/etcblog/2012/04/william_and_mary_patient_amid.html



Strange. Unlike you, I believe Driscoll meant exactly what he said.

Yes he did...

"There may be some interest FROM the Patriot League or some interest from somebody else. But at this point we’re in a little bit of a wait-and-see mod, evaluate what our options are and then make a decision — not to do anything too hastily.”

Note that article is from last Spring. The communication between W&M and the PL has remained what it has been for over ten years now. The Patriot calls, and we say no.

[DFW HOYA]

Good discussion. Some thoughts.

1. Until Fordham committed to the PL in all sports, I think the lure of the CAA will have resonance in some quarters up at Rose Hill. The rapid rise of Stony Brook and how they were able to leverage football does not go unnoticed at Fordham, and while the PL may be a more reasonable destination for them, there will alwayas a wayward eye to Fordham recapturing the glory days in a more visible conference. I would not say the same for Holy Cross by contrast, because any competitive wanderlust has been beaten out of them over the past generation by their administration.

2. I do not argue that AU, Loyola, or BU are trying to destroy PL football. They may, however, seek priorities within the PL governance which are are closer to their needs and less for what Lehigh and Lafayette want for the league, including, but not limited to, future candidates which do not fit the smaller, liberal arts model established by Likins, Brooks, et al. way back when. Certainly BU, and to some degree American, do not fit this model.

3. The PL has not lost schools inasmuch as the academic-athletic model it embraces is not easily convertible to another conference. Move Colgate to all sports in the CAA or A-10 and they would suffer across the board.

[Tribe4SF]

Fixed it for you. I have no doubt that's true today, but tomorrow, with Villanova, moves that might affect the CAA, who knows?



If Fordham is always looking for a "better deal", how come they're not in the CAA right now? Truth is they are much more happy in the PL than you give credit for, and they just got the big prize, football scholarships and a football league on the fast track to their vision.

If AU, BU, and Loyola become a block and try to destroy football, the entire league will bust apart, but how are they going to prevent the original five football schools + Army and Navy from keeping that from happening? Is Lafayette or Bucknell really going to take an active role in dismantling their football programs? Is Holy Cross? Not to mention Fordham is a part of that conversation as well.



Do they? If the NEC falls apart, schools will be falling into their lap as they look for where to go. If the CAA falls apart, schools will be falling into their lap, too. The PL is in a surprisingly strong position after realignment. It's telling that they haven't lost members, only gained.

And as pointed out, it's telling that the PL still has seven football members, despite continuing efforts to expand. The PL built their house based on a shared vision with extreme parameters. They weren't thinking of the need to expand then, and they should be able to see that football expansion is unlikely with those parameters.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Yes he did...

"There may be some interest FROM the Patriot League or some interest from somebody else. But at this point we’re in a little bit of a wait-and-see mod, evaluate what our options are and then make a decision — not to do anything too hastily.”

Note that article is from last Spring. The communication between W&M and the PL has remained what it has been for over ten years now. The Patriot calls, and we say no.

It's been a lot longer than that - try 1985! xlolx

But that doesn't change that W&M lately has looked at the PL as a Plan B. I bet Driscoll's feelings have not changed since last spring. They're waiting and seeing what happens (as any athletic director would), and not proactively panicking and jumping anywhere, but still weighing the options. Nobody can argue that the CAA has seen upheaval in the past year, so it's only responsible for him to look at everything.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

And as pointed out, it's telling that the PL still has seven football members, despite continuing efforts to expand. The PL built their house based on a shared vision with extreme parameters. They weren't thinking of the need to expand then, and they should be able to see that football expansion is unlikely with those parameters.

For a quarter century, I would agree with you, but now, I don't happen to agree.

[RichH2]

Somewhat interesting hijack, but topic is either late or premature.
Agree this is a wait & see time. Events over next 3-4 yrs will determine outcome. PL needs to be as athletically competitive as they are academically. W&M,UR Wofford are academic schools in athletic conferences. PL also ,like IL, an academic one which these schools could easily qualify for. But why should they now when athletically it would be a step down.

[Tribe4SF]

It's been a lot longer than that - try 1985! xlolx

But that doesn't change that W&M lately has looked at the PL as a Plan B. I bet Driscoll's feelings have not changed since last spring. They're waiting and seeing what happens (as any athletic director would), and not proactively panicking and jumping anywhere, but still weighing the options. Nobody can argue that the CAA has seen upheaval in the past year, so it's only responsible for him to look at everything.

On that we can agree, but that's not the only option for us, even as a plan B. The SoCon faces it's own issues, but we have history with many of their members. Driscoll isn't the only one looking at everything. W&M alums are weighing in, and if the PL somehow was proffered by him you would see a sizeable stink.

The CAA is going to come through this all just fine.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Any word on coaching shake-ups? This could obviously play a role in recruiting. Cecchini's name doesn't seem to be floating around nearly as much as last year despite putting together another very solid offense. Coen seems pretty committed as well.

[Fordham]

Why has Cecchini not gotten his chance yet? Seems like he would be a tremendous pick up

[Pard4Life]

. Patience. .

Thanks, Obi-wan.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Why has Cecchini not gotten his chance yet? Seems like he would be a tremendous pick up

He interviewed for the Yale job last year. I'm guessing he's waiting, to some extent, to see if Coen departs. Cech is the obvious successor shoud Andy leave. I don't see Dave sticking around too much longer though.

[Pard4Life]

He interviewed for the Yale job last year. I'm guessing he's waiting, to some extent, to see if Coen departs. Cech is the obvious successor shoud Andy leave. I don't see Dave sticking around too much longer though.

I pray he does not... he goes, Andy is merely mortal.

[RichH2]

Thanks P4L. Just bored with endless repetiton on expansion.
My guess is HC job Dave's if Andy moves on as all our coaches, save Whitehead, have done. Issue is how long will he wait. If perfect spot for him comes up, who knows?

[ngineer]

Andy is very happy where he is, so I think it would have to be a significant upgrade in pay and/or solid stepping stone toward the 'big time' to get him to leave. Some guys, like Tavani, don't need to coach in the 'big time' to have great satisfaction in coaching and having postive impacts on young men. I would think Cecchini also likes being back at LU and would leave if the 'right' HC opened up, like interviewing at Yale last year. We're either on 'borrowed time' with Coen, or he could be here 20 years from now. Leckonby was HC for about 15 years before becoming AD. He may have been the longest tenured HC at LU. Run a clean program, have good academic record and be 'in the hunt' most of the time and you'll be set for life at a PL school.

[RichH2]

Leck was a great coach. An old fashioned gentleman and an absolute dictator to us. As a frosh, he scared the bejeezus out of me and all the rest of us.
The world is much different today. Rare for coaches to stay for a career. Hope Andy makes it.

[Franks Tanks]

Andy is very happy where he is, so I think it would have to be a significant upgrade in pay and/or solid stepping stone toward the 'big time' to get him to leave. Some guys, like Tavani, don't need to coach in the 'big time' to have great satisfaction in coaching and having postive impacts on young men. I would think Cecchini also likes being back at LU and would leave if the 'right' HC opened up, like interviewing at Yale last year. We're either on 'borrowed time' with Coen, or he could be here 20 years from now. Leckonby was HC for about 15 years before becoming AD. He may have been the longest tenured HC at LU. Run a clean program, have good academic record and be 'in the hunt' most of the time and you'll be set for life at a PL school.

I would be surpised if Coen went anywhere.

Cornell's head job is open so maybe Cecchini will go after that. Cecchini has been the OC at various FCS schools for pretty much a decade. It is a good gig, but must be a bit tiresome for someone who was once a very hot rising star. Gotta think a guy like him will eventually want to be in charge of his own program, or be the OC at a FBS school.

[carney2]

Tavani is available. Make him an offer. PLEASE!

[RichH2]

Scuttlebutt is Lazor, OC at UVA may be frontrunner for Cornell HC.
Just to hijack thread back to recruits, LU got a commitment last night from DE Brad Smith , Jesuit HS.
Decommitted from USF when Holtz fired. Also offered by AF,Duke,BC.
ESPN ***,Rivals**,Scouts **.

[LUHawker]

Scuttlebutt is Lazor, OC at UVA may be frontrunner for Cornell HC.
Just to hijack thread back to recruits, LU got a commitment last night from DE Brad Smith , Jesuit HS.
Decommitted from USF when Holtz fired. Also offered by AF,Duke,BC.
ESPN ***,Rivals**,Scouts **.

When was the last (first?) time we got a ***?

Seems like our recruits have more accolades than in past years. By itelf, of course, it means nothing, but suggests that schollies having an impact already.

It also appears that our PL brethren, in general, are seeing similar results.

[RichH2]

LOL Zach Duffy *** OL ,LU this year.
xthumbsupx

[DFW HOYA]

When was the last (first?) time we got a ***? Seems like our recruits have more accolades than in past years. By itelf, of course, it means nothing, but suggests that schollies having an impact already.


Will be looking forward to the six schools announcing in February, and one in May.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Will be looking forward to the six schools announcing in February, and one in May.

Don't know if PL (save Hoyas) are going to be participating in the NLI program this year.

[DFW HOYA]

Don't know if PL (save Hoyas) are going to be participating in the NLI program this year.

One doesn't have to be an NLI school to announce in February. I know why Georgetown doesn't announce in February (i.e, recruits on the list decommit) but the May announcement is more an acknowledgement than a news story.

[RichH2]

I thought PL had accepted LOI procedure.??

[Pard4Life]

Can't help but think that the Pards are falling behind here.. Lehigh two serious recruits and we are still looking for the first. Had scholarships been offered in 2009, it would have possibly been the reverse, before admin arrogance and Tavani ineptitude took over.

And per the Cornell job, fired UVA coach Mike Faragalli is available, former OC of national champ Richmond. Wish Pards would get him back and dump Fein.

[Franks Tanks]

Can't help but think that the Pards are falling behind here.. Lehigh two serious recruits and we are still looking for the first. Had scholarships been offered in 2009, it would have possibly been the reverse, before admin arrogance and Tavani ineptitude took over.

And per the Cornell job, fired UVA coach Mike Faragalli is available, former OC of national champ Richmond. Wish Pards would get him back and dump Fein.

Matt Rothrock had offers from Towson and Toldeo. Not as goot as the new Lehigh commit but solid. Stars are very unreliable at our level, and the offer sheet is the best gauge of talent and demand.

Agree about Faragalli/Fien. I think Fien wants to move along as well and this would be a good timing to make a move.

[CFBfan]

Can't help but think that the Pards are falling behind here.. Lehigh two serious recruits and we are still looking for the first. Had scholarships been offered in 2009, it would have possibly been the reverse, before admin arrogance and Tavani ineptitude took over.

And per the Cornell job, fired UVA coach Mike Faragalli is available, former OC of national champ Richmond. Wish Pards would get him back and dump Fein.

If my source(s) is correct Colgate just picked up a commitment from a Bergen Cath LB who had a lot of offers including offers from U Del, Navy, Towson, Albany, Lafayette, Elon, W&M, and non scolly offers from G Town, and a number of Ivies

[carney2]

Can't help but think that the Pards are falling behind here.. Lehigh two serious recruits and we are still looking for the first. Had scholarships been offered in 2009, it would have possibly been the reverse, before admin arrogance and Tavani ineptitude took over.

And per the Cornell job, fired UVA coach Mike Faragalli is available, former OC of national champ Richmond. Wish Pards would get him back and dump Fein.

Let's see, if Frank can't coach on game day (and he can't), and now it appears that he struggles to recruit with scholarships, getting, at best, mild upticks over what he got without scholarships, what is he being paid for? As for the Faragalli for Fein switch, you could bring in a Bill Walsh or a Don Shula (I know, Walsh is dead, so note the "a") and it wouldn't make much difference as long as Frank has access to the headset.

[Franks Tanks]

Let's see, if Frank can't coach on game day (and he can't), and now it appears that he struggles to recruit with scholarships, getting, at best, mild upticks over what he got without scholarships, what is he being paid for? As for the Faragalli for Fein switch, you could bring in a Bill Walsh or a Don Shula (I know, Walsh is dead, so note the "a") and it wouldn't make much difference as long as Frank has access to the headset.

As we all know recruiting is an inexact science, and our class is far from being complete. By my count Lehigh has two 3 star guys (for what that's worth) that seemed to have really good offer sheets. So far I am satisfied with our recruits and I dare say all of them so far are guys we would have a lot of trouble landing without scholarships.

[Pard4Life]

Looking forward to what the carney ratings have to say.

[DFW HOYA]

Looking forward to what the carney ratings have to say.

Early guess:

1. Colgate
2. Fordham
3. Lehigh
4. Holy Cross
5. Lafayette
6. Bucknell
7. Georgetown

[carney2]

Looking forward to what the carney ratings have to say.

I have no idea at this time where the Patsy Ratings are headed - or if they're headed anywhere at all. It's a whole new game with scholarships.

[RichH2]

Way too early to decide on Patsy or success of schollies. Mahor campus visits in Jan. Also, we will still have the domino effect as some recruits are scooped up by FBS teams and others dont get the FBS offer they hoped for. Of course we'll still have Ivies in April.
Nice to get some kids we couldn't get last yr. I trust it will continue for all of us. Yeah DFW, even GU.
Exciting time for PL.

[GateRaider63]

If my source(s) is correct Colgate just picked up a commitment from a Bergen Cath LB who had a lot of offers including offers from U Del, Navy, Towson, Albany, Lafayette, Elon, W&M, and non scolly offers from G Town, and a number of Ivies

Is your source on the internet? Is it Dan Grasso?

[Andy]

63, didnt see this guy on your twitter:


EDDIE ROBINSON – Watch video
Lawrence, L.I., 6-1, 195, committed to Colgate
The sure-handed receiver had 51 catches for 1,156 yards and a Long Island record 19 touchdowns. On defense, he made 59 tackles, forcing three fumbles and making four interceptions. He returned one of those picks 30 yards for what proved to be the game-winning TD against Sayville in Class III LIC.

Msg varsity

[GateRaider63]

63, didnt see this guy on your twitter:


EDDIE ROBINSON – Watch video
Lawrence, L.I., 6-1, 195, committed to Colgate
The sure-handed receiver had 51 catches for 1,156 yards and a Long Island record 19 touchdowns. On defense, he made 59 tackles, forcing three fumbles and making four interceptions. He returned one of those picks 30 yards for what proved to be the game-winning TD against Sayville in Class III LIC.

Msg varsity

You will in a few minutes. Thanks!

Ryan

[CFBfan]

Is your source on the internet? Is it Dan Grasso?

Hi 63. No and Yes

[carney2]

Way too early to decide on Patsy or success of schollies.

True for anything to do with scholarships. Not necessarily true for the Patsies. I'm getting a glimmer of what would be involved with a new and still objective Patsy Rating system, and I'm not loving it. The old system would have to be trashed completely, and the new would require a lot more time and effort. On the other hand, I will, I know, become enraged when the supporters of a particular Patriot League school begin their annual chant of "Good group." "We really did well." when they have absolutely no basis for their chest thumping and it is probably a false read.

[RichH2]

Ever the curmudgeon we know and love. Agree rather ambiguous parameters w schollies. Advantage w old Patsys was an already set history of need aid recruiting. Now how do you compare and w who?
This yr why not just apply Patsy to groups and see what comes out.

[carney2]

Ever the curmudgeon we know and love. Agree rather ambiguous parameters w schollies. Advantage w old Patsys was an already set history of need aid recruiting. Now how do you compare and w who?
This yr why not just apply Patsy to groups and see what comes out.

Because the mind of the curmudgeon has actually conceived of "better" ways. The "olde Patsies" are not applicable to the scholarship situation. Rating service star systems would, for instance, receive far less weight in a "new" Patsy Rating system. It's a whole new world and it has been given some thought.

"Now how do you compare and w who?" Actually I think it's with whom, but you are the recipient of what passes for an education on South Mountain, so I won't go there. As always the philosophical underpinning would be that I wouldn't know a quality recruit if I tripped over him. In the land of scholarships I think we would be better able to apply the yardstick of "who else wanted him;" and if it's a lot of someone elses, even better; and if those someone elses are way up the football food chain, perhaps we're looking at gold.

Not to worry. Tomorrow is the 21st and we won't have to deal with any of this after that.

[RichH2]

Cute. Thanks for grammar correction. I usually look also to see who else listed as recruiting but unfortunately that's just as hit or miss, if not more so, than *. Most lists, other than ESPN, are kid's favorites not necessarily schools actually recruiting.. Certainly a factor but how would you quantify it.?
BCs,FBS, IL. That would indeed be a daunting endeavor. Well, I hope you come up w a system that satisfies you and isn't ridiculously time consuming. We all have enjoyed them.

[carney2]

Cute. Thanks for grammar correction. I usually look also to see who else listed as recruiting but unfortunately that's just as hit or miss, if not more so, than *. Most lists, other than ESPN, are kid's favorites not necessarily schools actually recruiting.. Certainly a factor but how would you quantify it.?
BCs,FBS, IL. That would indeed be a daunting endeavor. Well, I hope you come up w a system that satisfies you and isn't ridiculously time consuming. We all have enjoyed them.

Cute curmudgeon. It has a ring to it, does it not?

Moving on and addressing your very valid comments, I would probably choose to deal with published offers only. None of this "interest" crap. My concern is that I would have to rely on the three rating services for the offers and I don't know how good they are at nailing these down. Quantification would be relatively easy with BCS offers being valued more highly than CAA, and CAA more highly than Ivy. I would probably not consider anyone else as Patsy Point worthy.

[RichH2]

I've found most reliable source for offers for sub FBS are local HS blogs. Well, I guess Andy,cr,breezy and I could help. Would you keep "needs" points as well?
Just to drive DFW nuts are Hoyas included or will you rate them on Old Patsy scale?

[carney2]

I've found most reliable source for offers for sub FBS are local HS blogs. Well, I guess Andy,cr,breezy and I could help. Would you keep "needs" points as well?
Just to drive DFW nuts are Hoyas included or will you rate them on Old Patsy scale?

Your first comment points out just how complicated and labor intensive this could become. As for our DC brethren, all would be treated as equals even though DFW keeps reminding us that we're not. Two systems and two scales wouldn't work. In the past Patsy Point totals in the 60s were considered pretty good. I have a feeling that if a new system (as I envision it) takes wing, the point totals will be much higher. This will not be because scholarships yield better recruits, but rather because the systems would not be compatible.

[RichH2]

" incompatible" would suit DFW's depression.

[DFW HOYA]

Your first comment points out just how complicated and labor intensive this could become. As for our DC brethren, all would be treated as equals even though DFW keeps reminding us that we're not.

I have no doubt that the schools will be treated as equals but there is a certain statistical bias that would hold that scholarship level recruits are, by definition, more highly valued than nonscholarship recruits. One can only imagine the reaction if Frank Tavani was told LC would not offer any scholarships at all, with the rationale that "we all get the same recruits either way."

[carney2]

I have no doubt that the schools will be treated as equals but there is a certain statistical bias that would hold that scholarship level recruits are, by definition, more highly valued than nonscholarship recruits. One can only imagine the reaction if Frank Tavani was told LC would not offer any scholarships at all, with the rationale that "we all get the same recruits either way."

Not sure that I understand this argument, but I've never been accused of even being in the drawer, let alone in the sharpest knife category.

I did miss one thing with RichH, however. He asked if the "needs" category would be retained. The answer at this time would be probably, but with considerably less emphasis. 60 total scholarships boils down to 15 per year, even though it doesn't have to work that way. Without redshirting - and I think we can count on it not happening - the numbers will be much smaller than we are used to. The coach will not be able to cover his quality mistakes with quantity recruiting. It will be more important than ever to cover all the recruiting bases in every class. An OL void such as Lafayette is currently recovering from will be virtual suicide in the new reality. "Needs" will be much more widespread and less specific. You will need a little of everything almost every year.

[breezy]

My understanding is that there will be a roster limitation of 95 in effect for 2013, and it will be further reduced to 90 in future years. Is this correct, or can anyone give me more detail on this?

While I agree that "other offers" might be a more valid measuring stick that Scout/YR/ESPN listings/ratings, I think it will be very difficult to get accurate info on this. Just like speed in the 40-yard dash, there will be alot of subjective puffery that can be misleading.

[RichH2]

95 is correct, as far as I know. The 90 not so sure. I'll try to find out.

[RichH2]

95 now

92 '14

90 '16

[van]

Not sure that I understand this argument, but I've never been accused of even being in the drawer, let alone in the sharpest knife category.

I did miss one thing with RichH, however. He asked if the "needs" category would be retained. The answer at this time would be probably, but with considerably less emphasis. 60 total scholarships boils down to 15 per year, even though it doesn't have to work that way. Without redshirting - and I think we can count on it not happening - the numbers will be much smaller than we are used to. The coach will not be able to cover his quality mistakes with quantity recruiting. It will be more important than ever to cover all the recruiting bases in every class. An OL void such as Lafayette is currently recovering from will be virtual suicide in the new reality. "Needs" will be much more widespread and less specific. You will need a little of everything almost every year.

Perhaps this bodes well for Lehigh, as Coach Coen has been very effective at recruiting balanced classes and is starting off with a nicely balanced roster.

[carney2]

Perhaps this bodes well for Lehigh, as Coach Coen has been very effective at recruiting balanced classes and is starting off with a nicely balanced roster.

It's way too soon to have any certainty, but the early returns indicate that all is boding well for Lehigh in this first year of scholarship recruiting.

[RichH2]

:) Agree much too soon to assess success of PL recruiting. Surprised if any of us has even half our recruits yet.LU at 9 but unlikely all are full schollies.
Frustrating period for mexbangx. Mid January campus weekends next up.xholyx

[carney2]

:) Agree much too soon to assess success of PL recruiting. Surprised if any of us has even half our recruits yet.LU at 9 but unlikely all are full schollies.
Frustrating period for mexbangx. Mid January campus weekends next up.xholyx

Why frustrating? In the past you knew little, if anything, until (for Lehigh) a week or two after LOI day. At his moment, with 9 names you absolutely know, you are way ahead of any other year.

[RichH2]

Not complaining about what we know now. Rather about this dead period . Dont expect much, if any, concret info until mid January. Guess I'm a greedy SOB.

[ngineer]

Looks like another great verbal from a DE in FL that decommitted from South Florida after Holtz got fired..us over Boston College, Duke and AFA?!

[1standgoal]

Fordham picks up commit from PA..
http://scoutingpa.com/index.php/view-profile.html?task=userProfile&user=693

[Brad82]

Anyone from RI HS FB sign with a PL team?

[RichH2]

Not from what I've seen Brad. There are a couple on some of the prospect lists I've read.

[GateRaider63]

Just posted on the Colgate Voy...

Joseph Figueroa -
Just committed to Colgate University !!! I am now a RAIDER !!! This recruiting process has been a roller-coaster, im just glad it all ended with me being in a great position like the one I'll have at Colgate.. My decision came down to two things Education & Opportunity to play EARLY & WIN !!! Colgate University provides me with the best of BOTH worlds.. A Top 10 education in the world as well as coming in and competing right away on the defending Patriot League Champions defense. #Go'Gate #Raiders #D1

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-27/sports/os-recruiting-joseph-figueroa-fort-pierce-ucf-usf-harvard-20120427_1_ucf-and-usf-spring-game-harvard

http://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/fl/fort-pierce/fort-pierce-central-high-school/joseph--figueroa

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Joseph-Figueroa-133590

[GateRaider63]

Brett Field, TE, 6'5" 240

http://www.uticaod.com/mid-yorkweekly/x1783188882/Local-high-school-football-players-recognized

http://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/ny/verona/vernonverona-sherrill-high-school/brett-field1

http://www.oneidadispatch.com/articles/2012/09/12/sports/athletes_of_the_week/doc505131787bb72031731169.txt

[CFBfan]

Any rumors/whispers about who might be on your campus for a visit this weekend?

[Bill]

CB
I haven't coached in years, but isn't this the "dead" period? Almost every football coach in the country will be at the AFCA convention starting Sunday....but I have been wrong before :)

[RichH2]

Dead period has ended, Bill. Earlier this week. For us staff is all around the country. Campus visits coming up. Students come back next weekend. Guess that will also be a recruit weekend. We've already had one which went very well.Signing day on 2/6.

[CFBfan]

any updates on visits and commits?

[RichH2]

Quite a few actually. Too many for me to post right now. Suggest goto LFN blog and to school boards. breezy for Cross and Andy for Pards have updated lists. For LU 9 commits listed on our board but none new for last 3-4 weeks . The next 2 weekends will interesting. For all but GU should be most of incoming recruits.