#2 EWU vs. ISU

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Eastern Washington Eagles (10-2) vs Illinois State Redbirds (9-3)

Saturday, Dec. 8, 2012 • 3:00 p.m. Pacific
Roos Field (8,600) • Cheney, Wash.

TV: ESPN3
Webcast: ESPN3
Radio: http://spokaneradio.com/player/kxlxam.html

Series: ISU leads 1-0. (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/bigsky/eastern_washington/opponents_records.php?teamid=1509)


The Redbirds will probably not be swayed by seeing lots of red at “The Inferno” this week in the quarterfinals of the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision Playoffs.

The Eastern Washington University football team puts its 6-0 record against the 6-0 road record of Illinois State this Saturday (Dec. 8) at Roos Field in Cheney, Wash. Kickoff on EWU’s red turf is 3:05 p.m. Pacific time in a game broadcast live on ESPN3.

While Eastern advanced in the playoffs with yet another come-from-behind performance – a 29-19 victory over Wagner last Saturday (Dec. 1) -- the Redbirds upset Appalachian State 38-37 in overtime in Boone, N.C. As a result, 9-3 ILS will get to travel West this time to face the 10-2 Eagles. The only losses this season for the Redbirds were home setbacks to Southern Illinois (17-0), Missouri State (24-17) and North Dakota State (38-20).

Eastern finished the regular season ranked fourth in the final regular season Sports Network Top-25 poll, and earned a the No. 2 seed in the playoffs. The Redbirds were ranked 16th in the poll, but were as high as ninth after starting the season 5-0 for the first time since 1967

The Eagles are 6-0 at Roos Field, and are 16-2 at The Inferno since 2010 when the red turf was installed and the stadium was renamed to Roos Field (formerly Woodward Field). Eastern was 8-0 at home during the debut year when EWU won the NCAA Division I title.

The Redbirds are from the Missouri Valley Conference, which includes top-ranked and No. 1 seed North Dakota State. Of their six road wins, three have come versus ranked foes – 35-28 over No. 8 Youngstown State on Oct. 13, 17-10 over No. 14 Indiana State on Nov. 3 and 38-37 versus seventh-seeded Appalachian State last week.

Eastern captured a share of the Big Sky Conference title and the league’s automatic playoff berth with a 7-1 league record. Of Eastern’s seven Big Sky wins this season, six came by a combined margin of 28 points – one by seven points, two six-point wins and a trio by just three points.

In all, Eastern has won six games this season when trailing in the third quarter (Montana, Montana State, Sacramento State, UC Davis, Portland State, Wagner). Since 2010, Eastern has won 11 games when they’ve trailed or been tied in the fourth quarter, including three this season (Montana, Montana State, UC Davis).

On the other side of the coin, the Eagles are only seven points from an unbeaten season, having last-possession chances to pull out wins in both of their losses. Baldwin is enjoying the team’s climb to get back to the NCAA Division I Championship Game in Frisco, Texas, it won in 2010.

“You don’t go to the bottom of Mount Rainier and say you are going to take it one step at a time – you go to climb to the top of it,” he said. “That’s my mindset -- I am going to climb to the top of the mountain, but the question is how are we going to get to the top? It’s the team that takes care of each step. You have your eye on that prize, but you have to understand the process. We talk about 180 minutes (left) and they know the process in those 180 minutes. The next 60 minutes are the most important.”

Eastern is 0-1 all-time against Illinois State, losing 31-14 at Spokane’s Albi Stadium in 1987. The Eagles are 2-8 all-time versus current members of the Missouri Valley Conference, including a 38-31 overtime victory over North Dakota State in Cheney in the quarterfinals of the 2010 Playoffs.

The Redbirds had the top passing offensive in the MVC, with a current average of 253.6 yards per game to rank 25th in FCS. Senior quarterback Matt Brown, who passed for 322 yards and five touchdowns versus Appalachian State, is 22nd nationally with an average of 249.8 yards per game. Illinois State’s offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach is Luke Huard, who is formerly from Puyallup, Wash., and played at North Carolina.

Eastern is ranked ninth in FCS in passing offense (301.2 per game), but Illinois State has the nation’s ninth-best defensive passing efficiency rating (105.7). The Redbirds have intercepted 16 passes to rank fourth nationally, including seven by senior free safety Ben Erickson to rank second in FCS (0.58 per game)
http://goeags.com/sports/m-footbl/2012-13/Releases/12fbDec3IllinoisState

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KREM2
Raw Video: Beau Baldwin looks ahead to FCS Quarterfinals (http://www.krem.com/video/raw/Raw-Beau-Baldwin-looks-ahead-to-FCS-Quarterfinals-182134941.html) (12/4)

Spokesman-Review (Jim Allen)
Eastern’s attendance ‘incredible’ (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/dec/04/easterns-attendance-incredible/) (12/4)
Eastern prepares for another tough test (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/dec/05/eastern-prepares-for-another-tough-test/) (12/5)
Illinois State’s Huard looks forward to return to Cheney (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/dec/05/illinois-states-huard-looks-forward-to-return-to/) (12/5)
Post All-American (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/dec/05/post-all-american/) (12/5)
EWU football Live Chat (http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/sportslink/2012/dec/06/ewu-football-live-chat/) (12/6)
Eastern offense leans more on pass (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/dec/06/eastern-offense-leans-more-on-pass/) (12/6)
Edwards defines perseverance (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/dec/07/edwards-defines-perseverance/) (12/7)
Brown can do plenty (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/dec/08/brown-can-do-plenty/) (12/8)

Pantagraph (Randy Reinhardt & Randy Kindred)
For several ISU players, coaches, trip to E. Washington a homecoming (http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/for-several-isu-players-coaches-trip-to-e-washington-a/article_4f95d708-3e8c-11e2-87a5-0019bb2963f4.html) (12/4)
Powerful, versatile Underwood anchors Redbird defensive line (http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/powerful-versatile-underwood-anchors-redbird-defensive-line/article_b53b4724-3f44-11e2-98e3-001a4bcf887a.html) (12/5)
Winning is ‘routine’ for ISU on the road (http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/columnists/kindred/kindred-winning-is-routine-for-isu-on-the-road/article_f67fd59e-3e70-11e2-8ab0-0019bb2963f4.html) (12/5)
E. Washington to use two-quarterback attack vs. ISU (http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/e-washington-to-use-two-quarterback-attack-vs-isu/article_84b366a0-400b-11e2-953e-001a4bcf887a.html) (12/6)
‘The Inferno’ at Eastern Washington to be rather cold Saturday (http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/the-inferno-at-eastern-washington-to-be-rather-cold-saturday/article_a3c49962-40e0-11e2-a10a-001a4bcf887a.html) (12/7)
Redbirds, Eastern Washington 'eerily similar' (http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/redbirds-eastern-washington-eerily-similar/article_e6f52c60-40cc-11e2-bac0-001a4bcf887a.html) (12/7)

The Sports Network
Quarterfinal foes Illinois State, Eastern Washington are similar (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/news/news.aspx?id=4548169) (12/5)

NCAA.com
Eastern Wash. defends home turf (http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/weekend-preview/2012-12-05/eastern-wash-defends-home-turf) (12/6)

Big Sky Conference Podcasts
EWU's Beau Baldwin - Dec. 5 (http://bigskyconf.com/podcasts.aspx?podcast=557)

GoRedbirds.com
Redbirds Advance To FCS Quarterfinals To Face Eastern Washington (http://www.goredbirds.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/120512aaa.html) (12/4)

[Twentysix]

The amount of red on the field is going to be just down right stupid. Go redbirds.

[theasushow]

Thank God somebody started this thread...as great as ISU's win was this weekend, they have another do or die game in 6 days.

[EdubAlum]

The amount of red on the field is going to be just down right stupid. Go redbirds.

only took 3 posts before a bison fan came trolling...can we seriously try and keep this one on point please?

[theasushow]

you might as well change the thread title to "#2 EWU vs. ISU (but ISU has no fans so NDSU will come take over and turn the thread into a pissin contest over which conference is stronger)

[IBleedYellow]

Go get em Redbirds! Not trolling, but I agree with 26, that's going to be a hell of a lot of red on the field this weekend.

[DJOM]

Let's go Redbirds. As a resident of Illinois---good to see ISU here.

[Red & Black]

only took 3 posts before a bison fan came trolling...can we seriously try and keep this one on point please?

Good luck.


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[asujch]

if EWU can shut down #12 it'l be game over for the redbirds

[FargoBison]

only took 3 posts before a bison fan came trolling...can we seriously try and keep this one on point please?

Well the teams both wear red and will be playing on a hideous red field....how is that post not on point?

[swaghook]

I don't see it as trolling fans from other teams are going to post their thoughts on the game. I like ISU's chances in this game so IMO it will not be an upset if they win this one.

[kalm]

I don't see it as trolling fans from other teams are going to post their thoughts on the game. I like ISU's chances in this game so IMO it will not be an upset if they win this one.

This will be one of the more intelligent NDSU posts in this thread.

[isured89]

Not to be that guy, but I'm going to be that guy. The helmet logo for ISU is wrong. Not sure why that long neck Redbird head is all over the internet. I've never actually seen it on an ISU uniform.

Looking forward to seeing our guys on the red turf. I haven't done much research on the Eagles, so I won't even attempt an analysis at this point. The tighter than expected game with Wagner has me wondering what they did...but I'm sure a look through the game thread can tell me more. Hopefully my Birds can move to 7-0 on the road this season!

Should be a good one, the Birds don't know how to win or lose without it being close.

[BisonBohl]

Lets go Redbirds!

[Red & Black]

Well the teams both wear red and will be playing on a hideous red field....how is that post not on point?

A) That's your opinion, and B) ISU's away uni's are all white, except for the numbers. So yeah, there's that.


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[Redbirdgrad]

Good luck to a classy program and an even classier fan base.

[FargoBison]

A) That's your opinion, and B) ISU's away uni's are all white, except for the numbers. So yeah, there's that.


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The field is hideous but so is UCA's(actually that is something beyond hideous) and so is Boise's. I guess I should have said both teams have red in their uniforms, that said the whole red thing isn't much of playing advantage...it just makes it tougher to watch.

[Gil Dobie]

ISU happens to be in the same conference as NDSU, so there is NDSU interest in this game.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Good luck to a classy program and an even classier fan base.

You will find out how ****ty the fan base is at EWU, prepare to be wowed...................

[Southern Bison]

You will find out how ****ty the fan base is at EWU, prepare to be wowed...................

Precisely! It makes us Bison fans only look enthusiastic when ScreaminEagle shows up. Not to worry Redbirds fans, fellow MVFCers and MSU will have your backs this week.

[NDSU09]

only took 3 posts before a bison fan came trolling...can we seriously try and keep this one on point please?

C'mon, man. You could at least let us do something wrong first :)

[Redbirdgrad]

If you didn't realize my post was completely tongue in cheek, I apologize.


I hope we tear up their horrendous red field on the way out after we stomp them up and down it.


Oh yeah. Good luck.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

You will find out how ****ty the fan base is at EWU, prepare to be wowed...................

I know you're bitter about being denied EWU bandwagon membership, but I told you weeks ago that our allotment has been filled for the year. I do thank you for being my biggest fan, your support is greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work Alfalfa, and better luck next year! xthumbsupx

[Screamin_Eagle174]

If you didn't realize my post was completely tongue in cheek, I apologize.


I hope we tear up their horrendous red field on the way out after we stomp them up and down it.


Oh yeah. Good luck.

Speaking of clAss.....

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Not to be that guy, but I'm going to be that guy. The helmet logo for ISU is wrong. Not sure why that long neck Redbird head is all over the internet. I've never actually seen it on an ISU uniform.

Looking forward to seeing our guys on the red turf. I haven't done much research on the Eagles, so I won't even attempt an analysis at this point. The tighter than expected game with Wagner has me wondering what they did...but I'm sure a look through the game thread can tell me more. Hopefully my Birds can move to 7-0 on the road this season!

Should be a good one, the Birds don't know how to win or lose without it being close.

Looks the same to me.

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[dudeitsaid]

Should be a good one, the Birds don't know how to win or lose without it being close.

Well, they will be in good company, as that has been EWU's style all season, with 8 games this year being decided by a touchdown or less!

[Twentysix]

ISUr 28 EWU 17 from my bracket. It will probably be closer than that though.

[BisonBohl]

I think EWU gets the win (have them in Frisco with NDSU) but will gladly cheer for the Redbirds to wreck my bracket.

[Red & Black]

If you didn't realize my post was completely tongue in cheek, I apologize.


I hope we tear up their horrendous red field on the way out after we stomp them up and down it.


Oh yeah. Good luck.


Classy...

[GoVols]

I'm guessing there will be few Redbird fans in the seats as its a 2000mile trip to Cheney. But flights from Chicago are in the $450 range


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[kalm]

Thx for the compliments on the field girls! It looks terrific in these photo's but significantly better in person if you can believe that!


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[robsnotes4u]

Thx for the compliments on the field girls! It looks terrific in these photo's but significantly better in person if you can believe that!


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It is interesting to say the least. I don't like watching the red uniforms on it, has quite the hypnotic effect. I would advise no drinking when watching on tv, it will give you the bed spins


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[REALBird]

We have fans, most of us tend to watch from a distance instead of getting into the proverbial whizzing match about SoCon speed, the strength of the MVFC, blue turf, red turf, who got snubbed, the dominance of the Bison over FCS.

But we do appreciate those of you kind enough to cheer our team on, or who think we have a chance. A few years ago I might have talked more smack, but when you're between playoff bids as long as we've been....you temper that enthusiasm and just root for your team. We're 7-0 on the road, so either we continue that streak or it ends. Like to think we've got as good a chance to win despite the #2 next to your name.

All the pressure is on you guys to hold serve. Should be a good game.

[clawman]

I hope we tear up their horrendous red field on the way out after we stomp them up and down it.



And you guys are funny tooxlolxxlolxxlolx

[clawman]

Are you afraid of something??

[deez_na]

This should be a great game, EW better play better than they did against Wagner or this could be a disappointing game. Illinois St will be a tougher matchup imo then Wagner.

[REALBird]

This should be a great game, EW better play better than they did against Wagner or this could be a disappointing game. Illinois St will be a tougher matchup imo then Wagner.

Saw in the EWU/Wagner thread someone asked how many FBS transfers Wagner had. Doesn't seem like it made much of a difference, but I do believe we have about 18 or so on our team. #3 and #4 Evan Friarson and Nate Palmer are pretty good compliments from Illinois to our home grown talent Colton Underwood who was on the Buchanon list.

Our OL has given up less than 10 sacks this year and average around 310-315, 6'3". Not sure what EWU's Defense looks like, but your Offense looks decent.

[Red & Black]

This should be a great game, EW better play better than they did against Wagner or this could be a disappointing game. Illinois St will be a tougher matchup imo then Wagner.

This we can agree on. It'll take a much better effort than we've put forth in the past 3 games...since the Cal Poly game, really. Turn-overs have been the main problem. We turned the ball over multiple times against PSU, and even in the Wagner game we were -3 in TO margin. I guess any time you can be -3 on TO's and still win by ten it's good, but against better teams that won't get it done.


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[Red & Black]

Our OL has given up less than 10 sacks this year and average around 310-315, 6'3". Not sure what EWU's Defense looks like, but your Offense looks decent.

Our two primary ends can really get after the QB. Ceja in particular, though not overly huge, is very athletic, can really get after the QB. Our two main D Tackles are in the 290-300 pound range...Pulu can be very disruptive inside and gets doubled a lot.


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[kalm]

Saw in the EWU/Wagner thread someone asked how many FBS transfers Wagner had. Doesn't seem like it made much of a difference, but I do believe we have about 18 or so on our team. #3 and #4 Evan Friarson and Nate Palmer are pretty good compliments from Illinois to our home grown talent Colton Underwood who was on the Buchanon list.

Our OL has given up less than 10 sacks this year and average around 310-315, 6'3". Not sure what EWU's Defense looks like, but your Offense looks decent.

Yeah, it looks like you guys pass protect well and also get after the passer. Our defense is a bit Jekyl and Hide. We outgained Cal Poly on the ground, easily handled a potent UND offens and held Washington State and Idaho scoreless in the second half. But get absolutely diced the Griz on the ground and by a mediocre Davis in the 2nd quarter, giving up 22 points only to turn around and shut them down in the 2nd half. The consistency is that we seem to be pretty solid in pass defense and do not give up many big plays.

Some of it is injury related, and I think we are getting healthy. The PSU game was a bit of a circus in the rain with turnovers and some missed tackles. But against Wagner, the offense handed them 10 points at the start of the third quarter off turnovers. Without that, the score would have been closer to what everybody expected.

The defense is capable of making plays when it counts. If we take care of the football, I like our chances.

[REALBird]

if EWU can shut down #12 it'l be game over for the redbirds

Seems #13 is more important than #12. #12 Tyrone Walker is our all time leader in Rec, Rec Yrds, and TD's. But when #13 Matt Brown, the MVFC leader in Passing Yds throws 5 TD's and had a few nice runs for First Down against App St. you may want to pay attention to him as well. That's at least Matt Brown's second 5'TD game this year, maybe third if I'm not mistaken. When he's on, he can be pretty good. When he's off......UGH!

[steelbison]

Seems #13 is more important than #12. #12 Tyrone Walker is our all time leader in Rec, Rec Yrds, and TD's. But when #13 Matt Brown, the MVFC leader in Passing Yds throws 5 TD's and had a few nice runs for First Down against App St. you may want to pay attention to him as well. That's at least Matt Brown's second 5'TD game this year, maybe third if I'm not mistaken. When he's on, he can be pretty good. When he's off......UGH!

Brown is very good!!! Ill St is the only team to actually move the ball consistently on our Defense all year.

They also have a decent running game. Against us #85 was the guy who was killing us so they have more than #12.

Ill State also has a great pass rush and I think lead the Valley in Sacks.


Predicting a Illst 35 EWU 28 type of game.

Good luck to both teams!

[Southern Bison]

Ill St. 27
EWU 24

[Redbirdgrad]

Good to see all the Valley love on here.


So tell me EWU fans....

Besides the red turf monster we have to be afraid of, why should we be worried about this game? I know nothing about your school except for the field.

Thanks in advance.

[Twentysix]

Good to see all the Valley love on here.


So tell me EWU fans....

Besides the red turf monster we have to be afraid of, why should we be worried about this game? I know nothing about your school except for the field.

Thanks in advance.

The three thousand people in attendance will all have cowbells. Be worried.

[dudeitsaid]

A few years ago I might have talked more smack, but when you're between playoff bids as long as we've been....you temper that enthusiasm and just root for your team. We're 7-0 on the road, so either we continue that streak or it ends. Like to think we've got as good a chance to win despite the #2 next to your name.

All the pressure is on you guys to hold serve. Should be a good game.

Agree with this. Personally, I think this is anyone's game. EWU has been far from dominant this year. They have shown they can win any game they are in. But playing games close is going to bite them in these playoffs, and this could be the game that happens on. I personally feel that this is a very even matchup, and the victory will be within two points.

[kalm]

The three thousand people in attendance will all have cowbells. Be worried.

We've also petitioned to have Bill Fette as the replay official.

Aside from that, we have a receiving corps that's every bit as good as App. Brandon Kaufmann is 6'5", fast enough to stretch the field, and has GREAT techinique. Im guessing he will be at least a mid round draft pick. Nick Edwards is 6'3", and was an AA last year, with 18 TDs. 6'3" Greg Hurd is having a better year than Edwards.

We are a two headed beast at QB with SMU transfer Kyle Padron getting the last two starts and RS frosh Vernon Adams getting the majority of the starts. Padron is 6'4" and more of a pocket passer but has good feet if needed. Adams is duel threat, throws it well, and is very elusive. Their combined #'s on the season are 61% completion rate for 3602 yards 25 TDs, 11 int's with an average of 301 yds/game. Those are relatively low TD and yardage numbers but we are far more balanced this year.

How about you?

[deez_na]

I'll be watching the NDSU game obviously but i would love to see this matchup. I'm guessing Illinois State wins a close one on the road 27-24

[Twentysix]

We've also petitioned to have Bill Fette as the replay official.

xlolx!!!! ISUr is sunk in that case.

[Gil Dobie]

No one has ever answered the question, "Who is Bill Fette". I think Kalm finally did saying he is a replay official.

[Redbirdgrad]

We've also petitioned to have Bill Fette as the replay official.

Aside from that, we have a receiving corps that's every bit as good as App. Brandon Kaufmann is 6'5", fast enough to stretch the field, and has GREAT techinique. Im guessing he will be at least a mid round draft pick. Nick Edwards is 6'3", and was an AA last year, with 18 TDs. 6'3" Greg Hurd is having a better year than Edwards.

We are a two headed beast at QB with SMU transfer Kyle Padron getting the last two starts and RS frosh Vernon Adams getting the majority of the starts. Padron is 6'4" and more of a pocket passer but has good feet if needed. Adams is duel threat, throws it well, and is very elusive. Their combined #'s on the season are 61% completion rate for 3602 yards 25 TDs, 11 int's with an average of 301 yds/game. Those are relatively low TD and yardage numbers but we are far more balanced this year.

How about you?

I don't see anything regarding your defense???


Our breakdown:

Matt Brown, Sr.QB - athletic, mobile QB that can beat you with his feet just as much as he can with his arm. Thrown for 2998 yards on the season, with 25 TDs. Doesn't take off too often, but when he does he's capable of picking up a 3rd and long just with his feet.

Darrelynn Dunn, Sr. RB - bruising RB who can lower the shoulder pads and get you 3 or 4, or just as easy break one for 20. 917 yards on the season with 12 rushing TDs.

Tyrone Walker, Sr. WR - stud WR who has 1171 yards on the season with 8 TDs. He's your chain mover on underneaths as well as your deep threat over the top.

Offensive line hadn't played before this year, but came together nicely and keep Brown's pocket clean so he can pick defenses apart. If Dunn and Brown get going at the same time, it's curtains for teams.

We score 29.83 points per game, good enough for 35th in FCS. With the defense we have, nearly 30 points per game is usually enough to get the win.


On defense:

Colton Underwood, Jr. DL - 10.5 sacks on the year (10th in FCS) with a fantastic motor and impossible to block all game. Very fun to watch.

Ben Ericksen, Sr. DB - 7 ints on the year (1st in FCS) and is a ball hawking safety. If our front 7 get the pressure we're used to getting, your QB will put the ball in Ericksen's hands once this game. He has a knack for finding the ball.


Our defense is 23rd in FCS right now, giving up only 323.08 yards per game.
29th in rushing defense, 37th in passing defense. Very balanced here.
Our defense is 5th in FCS in sacks, with 38 on the year.
Turnover Margin is +9 on the year. 15th in FCS.

[Walkon79]

Precisely! It makes us Bison fans only look enthusiastic when ScreaminEagle shows up. Not to worry Redbirds fans, fellow MVFCers and MSU will have your backs this week.

What? I would rather go to Cheney than face ISU :) We're undefeated on the tampon and I think ISU is just better :)

[TheRevSFA]

Thx for the compliments on the field girls! It looks terrific in these photo's but significantly better in person if you can believe that!


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Serious question and not meant as trolling, but how long until it turns pink? Did they plan for fading?

[Walkon79]

Serious question and not meant as trolling, but how long until it turns pink? Did they plan for fading?

It IS pink when it snows a little :)

[bobcateconomist]

As someone with experience in watching EWU home games on TV, here are a few tips:

1. Wear sunscreen.
2. Adjust the settings on your monitor. Black and White doesn't even fix the problem.
3. What am I saying? Give up and listen to it on the radio, your retinas will thank you.

I'm predicting that a team with a bird mascot and red colors wins this one.

[SpeedkingATL]

I realize that ISU has been a great road team but back to back trips to Boone (hard to get to) and Cheney will be a challenge for the Redbirds. (see Nova 2010) I think there a many similarities to EWU and the ASU team that ISU beat on Saturday. I would expect this to be a pretty close matchup.

Question for EWU posters. How difficult is it for teams playing on that red turf for the first time. I realize it's still football but it would just seem weird to me playing on it the first time and would be a small advantage to the Eagles. Thoughts??

[WeAreNorthDakota]

I realize that ISU has been a great road team but back to back trips to Boone (hard to get to) and Cheney will be a challenge for the Redbirds. (see Nova 2010) I think there a many similarities to EWU and the ASU team that ISU beat on Saturday. I would expect this to be a pretty close matchup.

Question for EWU posters. How difficult is it for teams playing on that red turf for the first time. I realize it's still football but it would just seem weird to me playing on it the first time and would be a small advantage to the Eagles. Thoughts??

I don't think it's anything that wouldn't be overcome in pregame warmups. There's a multipurpose gym on UND's campus whose floor is a hideous shade of red but playing basketball on it was never any different for me. I've never see EWU's field in person but I imagine the effect is much greater on a spectator than a player.

[REALBird]

I realize that ISU has been a great road team but back to back trips to Boone (hard to get to) and Cheney will be a challenge for the Redbirds. (see Nova 2010) I think there a many similarities to EWU and the ASU team that ISU beat on Saturday. I would expect this to be a pretty close matchup.

Question for EWU posters. How difficult is it for teams playing on that red turf for the first time. I realize it's still football but it would just seem weird to me playing on it the first time and would be a small advantage to the Eagles. Thoughts??

Once upon a time our End Zones were Red. As long as our guys dont stop short and drop the ball ala Deshaun Jackson, I think we will be OK. Hell, out colors are Red and White too, maybe our guys will be just as geeked to play on the Red Turf.

[kalm]

I realize that ISU has been a great road team but back to back trips to Boone (hard to get to) and Cheney will be a challenge for the Redbirds. (see Nova 2010) I think there a many similarities to EWU and the ASU team that ISU beat on Saturday. I would expect this to be a pretty close matchup.

Question for EWU posters. How difficult is it for teams playing on that red turf for the first time. I realize it's still football but it would just seem weird to me playing on it the first time and would be a small advantage to the Eagles. Thoughts??

I don't think it really matters. At least opposing teams never indicate that it does. As my friend Ranger points out, it takes about one play and then you're just watching another football game and forget about the color. Other than that it's just an extremely handsome playing surface.

[Sylvergunsuperman]

It IS pink when it snows a little :)

Its not Pink, it's Light Red. :) Say what you want about The Inferno. You are still talking about it. The players love it, the fans love it, and the community loves it. If we didn't have a great football team it would be a gimmick. Since we have one of the best football teams in all of FCS then it just adds to the fact that the field is AWESOME. It's not supposed to fade. The Gateway....when its done will make it even better. I expect a very good game from both teams this weekend. EWU wins in a close one (what else is new) EWU 35-ISU 31.

[Sammy94]

Go Redbirds!!! Sam doesn't do well with colored turf so if we get passed MSU this weekend, I'd rather we play elsewhere. Then again, it would be nice to be Big Sky Champs by TKO for the 2nd year in a row. This should be a great game. Good luck to both schools. Let's just hope we get to face the winner.

[Walkon79]

What? I would rather go to Cheney than face ISU :) We're undefeated on the tampon and I think ISU is just better :)

Check that. A home SF game would be SWEET!! (I know, we have a game first)

Go Redbirds!!!

[howroark]

IMO the Inferno looks amazing in person. The closer to the field you get the better it looks. Sometimes when you are up high the color gets uneven because the black rubber pellets are more noticeable on a red surface than a green one. I cannot understand when people get so bent out of shape about the field... it is synthetic. There is nothing about the product that requires it to be green except for nostalgia and tradition. Some people hate change, some people love it. EWU and Cheney are not your typical people and they love being unique. I do too.

[howroark]

The manufacturer has guaranteed it will not fade to pink. If it does then they get to deal with their insurance company. Besides it is common for synthetic fields to be replaced every 7-10 years so it is already 3 seasons into its useful life. The team recruiters say that the most recognizable aspect of EWU to unfamiliar players is the red turf. The players like it and that is all that really matters. Keep the talent train moving and more championships will follow.

[moosbah]

Thx for the compliments on the field girls! It looks terrific in these photo's but significantly better in person if you can believe that!


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Serious question (apologize if someone already asked this). Since the NCAA said Boise St. can't wear all blue on their blue field, how is EWU allowed to wear all red on their red field?

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Serious question (apologize if someone already asked this). Since the NCAA said Boise St. can't wear all blue on their blue field, how is EWU allowed to wear all red on their red field?

The NCAA didn't ban BSU from wearing the blue at home, the MWC did. The Big Sky has no beef. We usually wear all black though.

[moosbah]

The NCAA didn't ban BSU from wearing the blue at home, the MWC did. The Big Sky has no beef. We usually wear all black though.

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

The manufacturer has guaranteed it will not fade to pink. If it does then they get to deal with their insurance company. Besides it is common for synthetic fields to be replaced every 7-10 years so it is already 3 seasons into its useful life. The team recruiters say that the most recognizable aspect of EWU to unfamiliar players is the red turf. The players like it and that is all that really matters. Keep the talent train moving and more championships will follow.

This. Also, the more other people hate it, can't stand it, b*tch about it... the more our players and fans laugh and get fired up about it.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Getting back to the game, this should be an awesome fight between two teams that look very similar in regards to offense and defense. ISU gets more turnovers, but EWU's offense is slightly better and we of course have homefield advantage. Our WRs are the X factor though... they can't be stopped.


EWU 38
ISU 31

(look familiar, bison fans? xlolx )

[Redbirdgrad]

this should be an awesome fight between two teams that look very similar in regards to offense and defense


???

Please describe how Eastern Washington looks anything like Illinois State on defense.

[SpeedkingATL]

Go Redbirds!!! Sam doesn't do well with colored turf so if we get passed MSU this weekend, I'd rather we play elsewhere. Then again, it would be nice to be Big Sky Champs by TKO for the 2nd year in a row. This should be a great game. Good luck to both schools. Let's just hope we get to face the winner.

I can only imagine how awful Sammy's orange uniforms would look on that red field. ISU will fit right in.

[ST_Lawson]

Should be a good game, but I gotta root for my fellow Illinois state institution in the battle of the angry birds on the red turf.

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[robsnotes4u]

???

Please describe how Eastern Washington looks anything like Illinois State on defense.

Or offense i think ISU is definitely better.

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[Redbirdgrad]

Eastern Washington Offense: #21 in FCS, 432.25 yards per game
Illinois State Defense: #23 in FCS, 323.08 yards per game

Illinois State Offense: #50 in FCS, 386.50 yards per game
Eastern Washington Defense: #68 in FCS, 383.58 yards per game



I see a problem for Eastern Washington in this game...

ISU's offense will be able to get exactly what they've gotten all year.
EWU's offense? They might struggle...

The game will be won/lost when EWU has the ball.
If EWU can get closer to the 432 they're used to, they should win.
If they're held to the 323 ISU's used to giving up... it could be a long evening for them.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

???

Please describe how Eastern Washington looks anything like Illinois State on defense.

Both run a 4-3 and are good at keeping points off the board. ISU has 16 INTs and 8 fumble recoveries for 24 turnovers, EWU has 10 INTs and 12 fumble recoveries for 22 turnovers. EWU allows 23 points per game, ISU allows 24. Both have active MLBs with 117/118 tackles... well above the 2nd leading tackler. ISU tends to blitz more with their LBs I assume from looking at their stats... they have about 10 more sacks than EWU's LBs, which accounts for ISU's 38 total sacks, and EWU's 29... almost all of ours come from the DL. Both have a very successful DE... EWU with Jerry Ceja and his 11 sacks, ISU with Colton Underwood with his 10.5. ISU has more TFL's, so either they're better at getting penetration, or it's because teams in the MVFC run a lot more. ISU allows 3.5 ypc for 129 ypg on the ground, EWU 3.9 and 159, so the Redbirds are definitely better at stopping the run, but not by a lot. ISU and EWU are also similar against the pass... EWU gives up 30 yards more per game, and have allowed 2 more TDs (12) than INTs (10). ISU has 16 INTs to 13 TDs allowed.

MVFC offenses average 23.7 ppg, BSC offenses average 29.7 ppg. So while ISU has marginally better defensive statistics, they're also against less high-powered offenses. EWU and ISU are pretty similar overall though. Should be a great matchup.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Or offense i think ISU is definitely better.

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And you would be wrong, once again.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Eastern Washington Offense: #21 in FCS, 432.25 yards per game
Illinois State Defense: #23 in FCS, 323.08 yards per game

Illinois State Offense: #50 in FCS, 386.50 yards per game
Eastern Washington Defense: #68 in FCS, 383.58 yards per game



I see a problem for Eastern Washington in this game...

ISU's offense will be able to get exactly what they've gotten all year.
EWU's offense? They might struggle...

The game will be won/lost when EWU has the ball.
If EWU can get closer to the 432 they're used to, they should win.
If they're held to the 323 ISU's used to giving up... it could be a long evening for them.

Like I mentioned in my post breaking down and comparing the defenses, the offenses in the MVFC are lower scoring and move the ball less than in the BSC, I would assume because they keep it on the ground a lot more. Also, it's not so much about yards, but scoring and %'s.

EWU D: 23 ppg, 84% redzone scores, 58% redzone TDs.
ISU O: 29.8 ppg, 91% redzone scores, 71% redzone TDs.

EWU O: 31.6 ppg, 89% redzone scores, 61% redzone TDs.
ISU D: 24 ppg, 89% redzone scores, 70% redzone TDs.

So as you can see, it will be pretty easy for EWU to reach or exceed its scoring numbers, and harder for ISU to reach theirs. xcoffeex

[NDSU1980]

Love to see the Redbirds win. What would be great would be an all MVFC final in Frisco.

[Redbirdgrad]

So while ISU has marginally better defensive statistics, they're also against less high-powered offenses.

Guess I disagree with this statement.

The offenses in the MVFC can put up points with anyone (see our game at ASU last weekend), but we have better defenses keeping the numbers down.

We don't go against less high-powered offenses at all, we just actually play defense in our conference.

[Redbirdgrad]

Like I mentioned in my post breaking down and comparing the defenses, the offenses in the MVFC are lower scoring and move the ball less than in the BSC, I would assume because they keep it on the ground a lot more. Also, it's not so much about yards, but scoring and %'s.

EWU D: 23 ppg, 84% redzone scores, 58% redzone TDs.
ISU O: 29.8 ppg, 91% redzone scores, 71% redzone TDs.

EWU O: 31.6 ppg, 89% redzone scores, 61% redzone TDs.
ISU D: 24 ppg, 89% redzone scores, 70% redzone TDs.

So as you can see, it will be pretty easy for EWU to reach or exceed its scoring numbers, and harder for ISU to reach theirs. xcoffeex

We score 29.8 ppg in a defensive conference
You score 31.6 ppg in an offensive conference

We score TDs on 71% of our redzone opportunities in a defensive conference
You score TDs on 61% of your redzone opportunities in an offensive conference

We're going up against a defense weaker than we're used to
You're going up against a defense stronger than you're used to


Using your numbers, I'm not sure how you came to your conclusion... xcoffeex

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Offensively, ISU and EWU have efficient QBs who move the ball with both their arm and feet. ISU's Matt Brown has 25 TDs and 10 INTs, and is ranked 19th in pass eff. at 143.05. EWU's Kyle Padron and Vernon Adams have combined to pass for 25 TDs and 11 INTs, and rank 30th (139.13) and 9th (152.15) respectively in pass eff. rating. EWU does pass for about 50 yards more per game, 300 to 250. Matt Brown has 140 yards on 50 rushing attempts (2.8 ypc), but 6 rush TDs. KP and VA have 372 yards on 95 attempts (3.9 ypc) and 3 rush TDs. Both teams rush for almost exactly 132 yards per game, and both teams' RBs have a combined 15 rush TDs. ISU has a primary back in Darrelynn Dunn who gets the bulk of the carries, yardage, and TDs and a supplemental back in Cameron Hunt who only gets about 25 yards a game, but averages 4.2 ypc. EWU splits pretty evenly between Quincy Forte and Demetrius Bronson, since Jordan Talley has been held out 5 weeks or so with a concussion. Bronson of course gets the bulk of the carries in goal to go situations, as he's the bigger, more physical back, hence 10 TDs to Forte's 2.

[CopperCat]

Guess I disagree with this statement.

The offenses in the MVFC can put up points with anyone (see our game at ASU last weekend), but we have better defenses keeping the numbers down.

We don't go against less high-powered offenses at all, we just actually play defense in our conference.

I promise you that the big sky can play defense. Just ask stony brook.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

We score 29.8 ppg in a defensive conference
You score 31.6 ppg in an offensive conference

We score TDs on 71% of our redzone opportunities in a defensive conference
You score TDs on 61% of your redzone opportunities in an offensive conference

We're going up against a defense weaker than we're used to
You're going up against a defense stronger than you're used to


Using your numbers, I'm not sure how you came to your conclusion... xcoffeex

That's because you're either blind, or just being a blatant homer. ISU isn't facing the MVFC, they're facing EWU.

Yes, we score TDs 61% of the time, but your D allows TDs 70% of the time in the RZ.
Yes, your offense scores TDs 71% of the time, but our D allows TDs only 58% of the time in the RZ.
Teams score 29.7 ppg in our conference, we only allow 23. Teams score 23.7 ppg in your conference, ISU allows 24.

Do you get it yet? xcoffeex

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Guess I disagree with this statement.

The offenses in the MVFC can put up points with anyone (see our game at ASU last weekend), but we have better defenses keeping the numbers down.

We don't go against less high-powered offenses at all, we just actually play defense in our conference.

We don't go against less high-powered defenses at all, we just actually have potent offenses in our conference. See how easy that is?

Fact remains, ISU allows essentially the average points scored by offenses in the MVFC, EWU has allowed essentially a TD less than the average points scored by offenses in the Big Sky.

[Redbirdgrad]

That's because you're either blind, or just being a blatant homer.
x

Hahahahahaha... pot... kettle...

Misconstruing stats to support your argument is exactly what youre doing. Just showing you it works both ways. App State thought the numbers worked out in their favor too, and we see where that got them!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I promise you that the big sky can play defense. Just ask stony brook.

That contest was destined to be a carbon copy of the 'Cat-'Griz game. SHSU will be a much more difficult test for the MSU defense.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Hahahahahaha... pot... kettle...

Misconstruing stats to support your argument is exactly what youre doing. Just showing you it works both ways. App State thought the numbers worked out in their favor too, and we see where that got them!

I'm not misconstruing the stats at all... I've presented all of them for both teams. This should be a very close game, but EWU's scoring D is better than ASU's by about a TD, while our offense is only a point and a half less than ASU's. Considering that, and both ISU and EWU's TD scoring % in the RZ, this game is going to come down to who can force more FGs, and it will likely be EWU.

EWU by 6 or 7.

[kalm]

We score 29.8 ppg in a defensive conference
You score 31.6 ppg in an offensive conference

We score TDs on 71% of our redzone opportunities in a defensive conference
You score TDs on 61% of your redzone opportunities in an offensive conference

We're going up against a defense weaker than we're used to
You're going up against a defense stronger than you're used to


Using your numbers, I'm not sure how you came to your conclusion... xcoffeex

Whether the BSC doesn't play D or the MVFC doesn't play O is an interesting debate.

Taking a look at our OOC schedule, we held Washington State to less points than 5 of their FBS opponents. We held their 9th ranked FBS passing offense to 247 yards, almost 100 yards less than their average. Idaho who admittedly is not very good but still FBS was also held to less points than 11 of their 12 opponents and only 237 total yards

Our other OOC opponent, Cal Poly, who is of course is in our conference, but is ranked 7th in the nation in scoring offense at 36.7 its/game was held to less points than any of it's other opponents except SHSU. Rush defense is our weakness, but we also held Cal Poly to 75 yards less rushing than their average.

So we can play defense and have at times absolutely shut down some potent offenses like UND and Wagner for entire halfs. I also happen to think other teams in the BSC can play some D. our 10th best team UC Davis held South Dakota State to 12 points, Cal Poly was the first team to seriously limit SHSU's production in over 2 months, and I think MSU might be the best defense of the bunch.

I really do think injuries played a roll with some of our issues like the Montana game. We are healthy now and I expect our D to show up again this Saturday.

[SpeedkingATL]

Good luck ISU. Since you beat App you may as well advance another round. Enjoy the red turf.

BTW the black EWU uniforms are killer!

[boonedocks]

Guess I disagree with this statement.

The offenses in the MVFC can put up points with anyone (see our game at ASU last weekend), but we have better defenses keeping the numbers down.

We don't go against less high-powered offenses at all, we just actually play defense in our conference.



As much as it pains me to say, putting up points against ASU isn't really that impressive. The defenses the rest of the way will be much better than ours.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Updated the first two posts with game info.

[Soups]

Loving the EWU vs ISU banter! I thinks it is pretty funny to watch the predictions of a victor off of whose regular season stats where better to determine the out come of a FCS quarter final playoff game. Good luck with that one.

I am sure in the end people will blame it on the RED Turf. How come no one complains about playing a team with all green uniforms on GREEN turf? OMG!

Go EAGS!!

[THE HERD]

I think EWU gets the win (have them in Frisco with NDSU) but will gladly cheer for the Redbirds to wreck my bracket.

EWU isn't making it to Frisco with their D. Will probably be done after this one.

[Redbirdgrad]

EWU isn't making it to Frisco with their D. Will probably be done after this one.

Finally some common sense!!!

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Finally some common sense!!!

You obviously don't understand the substantial difference between common sense and hate-fueled ignorance.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

EWU isn't making it to Frisco with their D. Will probably be done after this one.

We allow less points per game than ISU, despite playing in a high scoring conference, and OOC games consisting of two FBS and Cal Poly... xcoffeex

But I see that you're afraid UNDS would lose to EWU yet again if they met up in Frisco. Understandable. xcoffeex

[FargoBison]

Aside from the turf this should be a great game. I still have no idea who I think will win.

ISUR played great out at App but now they have to turn around and play on the opposite end of the country. Neither team is exactly a model for consistency though. All I can say is that I expect a lot of offense.

[kingranch]

if ndsu were to meet ewu in frisco, would our battle cry be "remember the tampon"

[kalm]

if ndsu were to meet ewu in frisco, would our battle cry be "remember the tampon"

In the case of some of your fans...absolutely.

[THE HERD]

We allow less points per game than ISU, despite playing in a high scoring conference, and OOC games consisting of two FBS and Cal Poly... xcoffeex

But I see that you're afraid UNDS would lose to EWU yet again if they met up in Frisco. Understandable. xcoffeex

If we make it to Frisco I would love to play EWU........easy win. Plus we'd have the whole stadium to ourselves. :D

[Redbirdgrad]

I'm not misconstruing the stats at all... I've presented all of them for both teams. This should be a very close game, but EWU's scoring D is better than ASU's by about a TD, while our offense is only a point and a half less than ASU's. Considering that, and both ISU and EWU's TD scoring % in the RZ, this game is going to come down to who can force more FGs, and it will likely be EWU.

EWU by 6 or 7.

Let me explain something about RZ TD%. It doesn't tell you anything.

Take these 2 teams:

Team A:

5 total drives:
Stops 3 opponents drives on the 30, and gives up 3 made field goals.
Lets the opponent into the red zone twice, and surrenders 2 TDs and 0 FG.
Total points scored: 23
Red Zone TD% - 100%

Team B:

5 total drives:
Stops 1 opponents drive on the 30, and gives up 1 made field goal.
Lets the opponent into the red zone four times, and surrenders 3 TDs and 1 FG.
Total points scored: 27
Red Zone TD% - 75%


Team B had a better defensive TD% than Team A so their defense MUST be better right???

Red Zone TD% doesn't tell the whole story... it's a meaningless stat without other facts to back it up.

[Red & Black]

If we make it to Frisco I would love to play EWU........easy win. Plus we'd have the whole stadium to ourselves. :D

Only because you guys already bought up all the tickets. We travelled pretty well in 2010 with maybe 5-6k folks in attendance.


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[robsnotes4u]

Let me explain something about RZ TD%. It doesn't tell you anything.

Take these 2 teams:

Team A:

5 total drives:
Stops 3 opponents drives on the 30, and gives up 3 made field goals.
Lets the opponent into the red zone twice, and surrenders 2 TDs and 0 FG.
Total points scored: 23
Red Zone TD% - 100%

Team B:

5 total drives:
Stops 1 opponents drive on the 30, and gives up 1 made field goal.
Lets the opponent into the red zone four times, and surrenders 3 TDs and 1 FG.
Total points scored: 27
Red Zone TD% - 75%


Team B had a better defensive TD% than Team A so their defense MUST be better right???

Red Zone TD% doesn't tell the whole story... it's a meaningless stat without other facts to back it up.

Very good point. I like the logic


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[steelbison]

Both run a 4-3 and are good at keeping points off the board. ISU has 16 INTs and 8 fumble recoveries for 24 turnovers, EWU has 10 INTs and 12 fumble recoveries for 22 turnovers. EWU allows 23 points per game, ISU allows 24. Both have active MLBs with 117/118 tackles... well above the 2nd leading tackler. ISU tends to blitz more with their LBs I assume from looking at their stats... they have about 10 more sacks than EWU's LBs, which accounts for ISU's 38 total sacks, and EWU's 29... almost all of ours come from the DL. Both have a very successful DE... EWU with Jerry Ceja and his 11 sacks, ISU with Colton Underwood with his 10.5. ISU has more TFL's, so either they're better at getting penetration, or it's because teams in the MVFC run a lot more. ISU allows 3.5 ypc for 129 ypg on the ground, EWU 3.9 and 159, so the Redbirds are definitely better at stopping the run, but not by a lot. ISU and EWU are also similar against the pass... EWU gives up 30 yards more per game, and have allowed 2 more TDs (12) than INTs (10). ISU has 16 INTs to 13 TDs allowed.

MVFC offenses average 23.7 ppg, BSC offenses average 29.7 ppg. So while ISU has marginally better defensive statistics, they're also against less high-powered offenses. EWU and ISU are pretty similar overall though. Should be a great matchup.

Totally disagree with this.. The reason MVFC avg less than BSC per game is the defenses are a LOT better in the Valley. Has nothing to do with "high powered offenses" I watched a lot of BSC games this year. To say anyone other than Montana State played defense would be overstating it.

[THE HERD]

[QUOTE=Red & Black;1910474]Only because you guys already bought up all the tickets. We travelled pretty well in 2010 with maybe 5-6k folks in attendance.

That stadium in 2010 was roughly half full between both teams fans and probably not even that. Very halfass showing by the fans, not taking anything away from the two teams themselves just the fans.

[Redbirdgrad]

Just watched our preview of the game on goredbirds.com.

Our boys are jacked to play on the red turf.

Can't wait for Saturday...

[kalm]

Totally disagree with this.. The reason MVFC avg less than BSC per game is the defenses are a LOT better in the Valley. Has nothing to do with "high powered offenses" I watched a lot of BSC games this year. To say anyone other than Montana State played defense would be overstating it.

As mentioned earlier, our 10th best team held the Valley's third best team to 12 points.

[Redbirdgrad]

As mentioned earlier, our 10th best team held the Valley's third best team to 12 points.

This is one game. We're talking about an entire season and two entire conferences.

As in life, there are outliers.

[asumike83]

Both of these teams are going to score, likely into the 30's. I'm taking ISU, 34-31.

[Redbirdgrad]

Both of these teams are going to score, likely into the 30's. I'm taking ISU, 34-31.

I agree with this assessment.

Both offenses can put up points, but ISU's defense is clearly better. Should be a whale of a game.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Let me explain something about RZ TD%. It doesn't tell you anything.

Take these 2 teams:

Team A:

5 total drives:
Stops 3 opponents drives on the 30, and gives up 3 made field goals.
Lets the opponent into the red zone twice, and surrenders 2 TDs and 0 FG.
Total points scored: 23
Red Zone TD% - 100%

Team B:

5 total drives:
Stops 1 opponents drive on the 30, and gives up 1 made field goal.
Lets the opponent into the red zone four times, and surrenders 3 TDs and 1 FG.
Total points scored: 27
Red Zone TD% - 75%


Team B had a better defensive TD% than Team A so their defense MUST be better right???

Red Zone TD% doesn't tell the whole story... it's a meaningless stat without other facts to back it up.

Doesn't tell you anything? It tells you everything about RED ZONE DEFENSE. EWU is certainly better inside the red zone at keeping the offense from scoring TDs. Which is backed up by other facts such as we allow less points per game than ISU, which sinks a hole in your hypothetical for how ISU could be better than EWU in defending scoring opportunities.

Not to mention EWU's D allows nearly 7 points less than the conference scoring average. ISU allows slightly more than their conference scoring average. xcoffeex

[Screamin_Eagle174]

I agree with this assessment.

Both offenses can put up points, but ISU's defense is clearly better. Should be a whale of a game.

Wrong. EWU's is clearly better where it counts... on the scoreboard.

[kalm]

This is one game. We're talking about an entire season and two entire conferences.

As in life, there are outliers.

Perhaps, but our d averaged 14 Pts/game OOC, in the 4 conference wins against FBS
16 Pts/ game were given up, and in the playoffs, Big Sky teams have also been giving up an average of 16 including the offensive juggernaut of SHSU. The outliers are increasing.

[robsnotes4u]

The biggest factor is if ISU can take advantage of the inconsistency of play by EWU. EWU is a Jekyll and Hyde.


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[Redbirdgrad]

Doesn't tell you anything? It tells you everything about RED ZONE DEFENSE. EWU is certainly better inside the red zone at keeping the offense from scoring TDs.

Looks like you need to retake reading comprehension.

Yes, this tells you everything about RED ZONE DEFENSE.

But as I've PROVEN TO YOU, RED ZONE DEFENSE means absolutely nothing. It's an arbitrary line in the sand on a random yardline.

What about the scoring plays from the 21 yard line... aren't those as important as from the 20???

Please tell me you understand this.

[kalm]

Looks like you need to retake reading comprehension.

Yes, this tells you everything about RED ZONE DEFENSE.

But as I've PROVEN TO YOU, RED ZONE DEFENSE means absolutely nothing. It's an arbitrary line in the sand on a random yardline.

What about the scoring plays from the 21 yard line... aren't those as important as from the 20???

Please tell me you understand this.

Probably why it's an official NFL statistic and there's an entire cable channel named after it.

I'm sure it's insignificant.

[Redbirdgrad]

Which is backed up by other facts such as we allow less points per game than ISU, which sinks a hole in your hypothetical for how ISU could be better than EWU in defending scoring opportunities.



Drink all the coffee you want, if you believe your defense is better than ISU's, you're absolutely nuts.

Here are your best defensive performances:

3 pts allowed (to Idaho, the 120th scoring offense out of 120 teams in FBS)
17
17
19
24 (to Washington State, the 106th scoring offense in FBS)

Now here are ours:

3 pts allowed
10
14
14
17

Total of 5 best defensive performances:

Yours: 80 points, or 16 points per game.
Ours: 58 points, or 11.60 points per game.


You CONSISTENTLY let teams score 17 or more on you, and usually in the 20's. It's almost a given that no matter who you go up against, they're getting 17 from you. Now it's all a matter of HOW MUCH MORE a team can get.

Whereas us, unless we're playing the #1 team in the country (ND St) or playing in overtime (the App score and Eastern scores were inflated due to this), we're holding teams to a lower score.


Please, please, please put down the coffee and start looking closer at the numbers and stats. Don't make the same mistake App fans did.

[Redbirdgrad]

Probably why it's an official NFL statistic and there's an entire cable channel named after it.

I'm sure it's insignificant.

That cable channel was made for fantasy football players with ADD who just want to see teams score.

The only significance is the money and revenue it brings in.

There's also statistics for number of coin flips a team has won and lost in a year. Your point?

[kalm]

Drink all the coffee you want, if you believe your defense is better than ISU's, you're absolutely nuts.

Here are your best defensive performances:

3 pts allowed (to Idaho, the 120th scoring offense out of 120 teams in FBS)
17
17
19
24 (to Washington State, the 106th scoring offense in FBS)

Now here are ours:

3 pts allowed
10
14
14
17

Total of 5 best defensive performances:

Yours: 80 points, or 16 points per game.
Ours: 58 points, or 11.60 points per game.


You CONSISTENTLY let teams score 17 or more on you, and usually in the 20's. It's almost a given that no matter who you go up against, they're getting 17 from you. Now it's all a matter of HOW MUCH MORE a team can get.

Whereas us, unless we're playing the #1 team in the country (ND St) or playing in overtime (the App score and Eastern scores were inflated due to this), we're holding teams to a lower score.


Please, please, please put down the coffee and start looking closer at the numbers and stats. Don't make the same mistake App fans did.

Dayton, EMU, WIU, MSI. Granted, you had a nice showing against ISU...just like we did against UND and Cal Poly, both of which would be at or near the top of the MVFC in offense.

These two teams are very comparable in their accomplishments and stats on both sides of the ball. Pretty tough to say one is definitively better. But I'm guessing that won't keep you from trying.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Looks like you need to retake reading comprehension.

Yes, this tells you everything about RED ZONE DEFENSE.

But as I've PROVEN TO YOU, RED ZONE DEFENSE means absolutely nothing. It's an arbitrary line in the sand on a random yardline.

What about the scoring plays from the 21 yard line... aren't those as important as from the 20???

Please tell me you understand this.

I understand quite fine... you've provided a hypothetical whereby ISU might be better than EWU in scoring defense, but you have not provided stats to back up said hypothetical advantage.

Like I said, EWU allows less points per game, and our RZ defense is significantly better, which is most certainly significant. Please try to ward off the bison ignorance that appears to be rubbing off on you. xcoffeex

[kalm]

That cable channel was made for fantasy football players with ADD who just want to see teams score.

The only significance is the money and revenue it brings in.

There's also statistics for number of coin flips a team has won and lost in a year. Your point?

That you're funny.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Drink all the coffee you want, if you believe your defense is better than ISU's, you're absolutely nuts.

Here are your best defensive performances:

3 pts allowed (to Idaho, the 120th scoring offense out of 120 teams in FBS)
17
17
19
24 (to Washington State, the 106th scoring offense in FBS)

Now here are ours:

3 pts allowed
10
14
14
17

Total of 5 best defensive performances:

Yours: 80 points, or 16 points per game.
Ours: 58 points, or 11.60 points per game.


You CONSISTENTLY let teams score 17 or more on you, and usually in the 20's. It's almost a given that no matter who you go up against, they're getting 17 from you. Now it's all a matter of HOW MUCH MORE a team can get.

Whereas us, unless we're playing the #1 team in the country (ND St) or playing in overtime (the App score and Eastern scores were inflated due to this), we're holding teams to a lower score.


Please, please, please put down the coffee and start looking closer at the numbers and stats. Don't make the same mistake App fans did.

Ahhh, I see. Overtime (and thus redzone) scores don't count against the defense. Gotcha.

Let's look at the worst 5 performances.

EWU:

34
30
28
28
26

= 29.2

ISU

51
38
37
31
28

= 37

So coupled with your stats of the 5 best defensive performances, EWU is more consistent overall, whereas ISU is consistently INCONSISTENT, and gives up a lot of points to good offensive teams, of which EWU is very good. Good stuff. xcoffeex xcoffeex xcoffeex

[Redbirdgrad]

I understand quite fine... you've provided a hypothetical whereby ISU might be better than EWU in scoring defense, but you have not provided stats to back up said hypothetical advantage.

Like I said, EWU allows less points per game, and our RZ defense is significantly better, which is most certainly significant. Please try to ward off the bison ignorance that appears to be rubbing off on you. xcoffeex

Hypothetical arguments are made all the time.

Redzone defense is not signifcant which I proved to you with a counterpoint to your argument.


Let me ask you a hypothetical question. You're coaching a football team and you need a kicker.

Kicker A comes out and makes 75 out of 100 field goal attempts from 35 yards out.
Kicker B comes out and makes 4 out of 5 field goal attempts from 35 yards out.

Which kicker do you recruit?

If field goal percentage was everything, isn't the clear winner B? He's 5% better!!!
But hold on, you have more of a sample size with A, so does that change things?

Unless you have more information, Red Zone %, like FG% means nothing.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Updated with more links.
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?125432-2-EWU-vs-ISU&p=1907259&viewfull=1#post1907259

[Redbirdgrad]

Ahhh, I see. Overtime (and thus redzone) scores don't count against the defense. Gotcha.

Let's look at the worst 5 performances.

EWU:

34
30
28
28
26

= 29.2

ISU

51
38
37
31
28

= 37

So coupled with your stats of the 5 best defensive performances, EWU is more consistent overall, whereas ISU is consistently INCONSISTENT, and gives up a lot of points to good offensive teams, of which EWU is very good. Good stuff. xcoffeex xcoffeex xcoffeex


Now that's funny stuff. You threw in two overtime games (one double overtime) and our game agaisnt the toughest team either of us has played, hands down.

Should overtime points be counted in points against? No... not at all. Regulation points are what matter, don't even try to argue otherwise.

(As a side note while we have 2 days until the real showdown, please go look at that EIU game. Worst officiated game of all time, hands down. Both teams will agree, and both coaches are on record as saying so!)


The only thing consistent about EWU is that you spot teams 17 points a game.

I'd MUCH rather have a defense capable of giving up 7-10 than a defense than I know will always give up 17-20.

You're really PROUD of a defense that gives up that much on a regular basis???

[Redbirdgrad]

Updated with more links.
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?125432-2-EWU-vs-ISU&p=1907259&viewfull=1#post1907259

Another side note, you're doing a heck of a job with the game thread, please keep it up!!!

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Hypothetical arguments are made all the time.

Redzone defense is not signifcant which I proved to you with a counterpoint to your argument.


Let me ask you a hypothetical question. You're coaching a football team and you need a kicker.

Kicker A comes out and makes 75 out of 100 field goal attempts from 35 yards out.
Kicker B comes out and makes 4 out of 5 field goal attempts from 35 yards out.

Which kicker do you recruit?

If field goal percentage was everything, isn't the clear winner B? He's 5% better!!!
But hold on, you have more of a sample size with A, so does that change things?

Unless you have more information, Red Zone %, like FG% means nothing.

xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox

You just went full retard. Never go full retard.

Redzone defense IS significant because the vast majority of scores come from within the redzone. And since you have no facts to back up your "ISU could hypothetically be better than EWU in scoring defense," your argument is useless.

Here's another hypothetical that has no impact on this game: If EWU scored 100 points per game, and never allowed opponents to score more than 10 points per game, EWU would win!

xlmaox

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Another side note, you're doing a heck of a job with the game thread, please keep it up!!!

Thanks. I intend to.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Now that's funny stuff. You threw in two overtime games (one double overtime) and our game agaisnt the toughest team either of us has played, hands down.

Should overtime points be counted in points against? No... not at all. Regulation points are what matter, don't even try to argue otherwise.

(As a side note while we have 2 days until the real showdown, please go look at that EIU game. Worst officiated game of all time, hands down. Both teams will agree, and both coaches are on record as saying so!)


The only thing consistent about EWU is that you spot teams 17 points a game.

I'd MUCH rather have a defense capable of giving up 7-10 than a defense than I know will always give up 17-20.

You're really PROUD of a defense that gives up that much on a regular basis???

You're a riot. OT scoring DOES count... it's why they have OTs, because neither defense or offense was good enough in regulation. Regulation points are what matter? So you didn't win 2 games then, you tied them. Unless you're arguing that OT scoring doesn't count because it's easier to score from the 25 yard line... which defeats your argument against RZ defensive numbers, then... wait. All offensive scoring counts against a defense, no matter the difficulty. But yes, HOW DARE I include points scored against the ISU D by the best team they played, or OT points. Lunacy! xlolx

[Redbirdgrad]

You just went full retard. Never go full retard.

Redzone defense IS significant because the vast majority of scores come from within the redzone. And since you have no facts to back up your "ISU could hypothetically be better than EWU in scoring defense," your argument is useless.

Here's another hypothetical that has no impact on this game: If EWU scored 100 points per game, and never allowed opponents to score more than 10 points per game, EWU would win!



Thats how children act when they're losing an argument? Name calling? Really? I thought you were better than that.


Here is why your argument for Red Zone % is useless:

You've let teams in the red zone more times this year and teams have scored more points off of you in the red zone. That's a fact.

Eastern Washington - 45 drives in their red zone. 217 points given up.
Illinois State - 37 drives in their red zone. 203 points given up.

You see, ISU believes in stopping teams BEFORE they get inside the 20. EWU just lets them right on in. This is evidenced by:

# of 1st downs allowed per game:

Eastern Washington - 20.00 per game
Illinois State - 17.75 per game.

(This means opponents drives are longer on average per game than yours)

Oh, and this one is fun too...

3rd down % defense:

Eastern Washington: 83/191 - 43.46%
Illinois State: 62/182 - 34.07%

(This means that even if you manage to get a team into 3rd down, you're giving them a 1st almost half the time anyways).



You see, here at Illinois State, we play defense during the entire length of the field, not just in the "red zone" for your magical % to work out.

Clearly at Eastern Washington, you do not.

Again, enjoy your coffee.

Sorry to use stats in an otherwise fun argument.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Thats how children act when they're losing an argument? Name calling? Really? I thought you were better than that.


Here is why your argument for Red Zone % is useless:

You've let teams in the red zone more times this year and teams have scored more points off of you in the red zone. That's a fact.

Eastern Washington - 45 drives in their red zone. 217 points given up.
Illinois State - 37 drives in their red zone. 203 points given up.

You see, ISU believes in stopping teams BEFORE they get inside the 20. EWU just lets them right on in. This is evidenced by:

# of 1st downs allowed per game:

Eastern Washington - 20.00 per game
Illinois State - 17.75 per game.

(This means opponents drives are longer on average per game than yours)

Oh, and this one is fun too...

3rd down % defense:

Eastern Washington: 83/191 - 43.46%
Illinois State: 62/182 - 34.07%

(This means that even if you manage to get a team into 3rd down, you're giving them a 1st almost half the time anyways).



You see, here at Illinois State, we play defense during the entire length of the field, not just in the "red zone" for your magical % to work out.

Clearly at Eastern Washington, you do not.

Again, enjoy your coffee.

Sorry to use stats in an otherwise fun argument.


You DO realize that since EWU has allowed LESS points than ISU on the season (in the same number of games), yet more points inside the redzone (barely), that ISU therefore has allowed MORE scores from beyond the redzone, which means ISU's defense gives up more big scoring plays than EWU, thus defeating your hypothetical, right? .................................................. ...................... xcoffeex

So that means that ISU plays good defense most of the time, but then *****s the bed and gives up big plays... which is reflected in your game scores...

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Not to mention how many 3rds downs the other team converts, how many yards they get, etc etc don't matter. The ONLY thing that matters in the end is points scored, and we allow less than ISU, and more consistently. EWU bends but doesn't break. ISU breaks against good teams.

That said, it will be a very good game, because both teams are more alike than they are different.

[Redbirdgrad]

You DO realize that since EWU has allowed LESS points than ISU on the season (in the same number of games), yet more points inside the redzone (barely), that ISU therefore has allowed MORE scores from beyond the redzone, which means ISU's defense gives up more big scoring plays than EWU, thus defeating your hypothetical, right? .................................................. ...................... xcoffeex

So that means that ISU plays good defense most of the time, but then *****s the bed and gives up big plays... which is reflected in your game scores...


Defeating my hypothetical? This wasn't hypothetical, these were actual numbers, stats, and figures.

Funny, now that I've shown you that you've given up MORE points in the red zone than us, it's all of a sudden "barely". Also, of the two overtime games. 3 of the drives in the red zone were because the ball was placed on the 25 and moved 5 yards into it. 16 points and 3/3 from the RZ% were because of that ball placement. Take those away and you have 187 points scored and only 30/34 drives resulting in a score (88%, which is "barely" 84%).

Didn't see any objection to my first down or 3rd down stats, so you know I'm right about that... good, I see some common ground there.


Now it's just getting you to realize that part of red zone defense is PREVENTING THE OTHER TEAM FROM GETTING IN THE RED ZONE....

We can work on that...

[Redbirdgrad]

Let me ask you another question, since you're holding onto this points scored stat like your life depended on it... which team's schedule is harder?

Sagarin Rankings:



Illinois State
Eastern Washington


44
77


90
87


91
89


93
136


100
144


117
148


122
151


142
159


150
161


176
167


191
173


212
175





As you can see, our toughest opponent was MUCH tougher than yours.
Opponents 2 and 3 for each of us were comparable.
The next SIX opponents for ISU were tougher.
The final three were easier than yours.


The depth of the Missouri Valley made ISU's path to here MUCH tougher than Eastern Washington's.

Yes, we've given up 1 point more per game (and I'm even letting you include the overtime scores), but there's a reason for that. Give Eastern Washington our schedule and I guarantee the field puts up 12 more points in 12 weeks.

[Walkon79]

Probably too late, but why didn't you guys push ESPN for Gameplan? Sure would be nice to see this on real TV on Saturday.


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[Screamin_Eagle174]

Defeating my hypothetical? This wasn't hypothetical, these were actual numbers, stats, and figures.

Funny, now that I've shown you that you've given up MORE points in the red zone than us, it's all of a sudden "barely". Also, of the two overtime games. 3 of the drives in the red zone were because the ball was placed on the 25 and moved 5 yards into it. 16 points and 3/3 from the RZ% were because of that ball placement. Take those away and you have 187 points scored and only 30/34 drives resulting in a score (88%, which is "barely" 84%).

Didn't see any objection to my first down or 3rd down stats, so you know I'm right about that... good, I see some common ground there.


Now it's just getting you to realize that part of red zone defense is PREVENTING THE OTHER TEAM FROM GETTING IN THE RED ZONE....

We can work on that...

Your hypothetical was that ISU allowed less TDs from beyond the redzone, when in reality they allow more than EWU, which I see you failed to acknowledge. Considering we've allowed 8 more drives in the redzone, and only given up 14 more points, I'd say our defense holding teams to that many FGs is pretty impressive. Like I said earlier, you can drive on us, but we're tougher to score TDs on. ISU gives up more big plays and TDs beyond the 20, and lots of points to good teams. I do love that you're desperately holding onto the idea that OT points and NDSU's points scored against your D don't matter or count. Pretty funny stuff.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Let me ask you another question, since you're holding onto this points scored stat like your life depended on it... which team's schedule is harder?

Sagarin Rankings:



Illinois State
Eastern Washington


44
77


90
87


91
89


93
136


100
144


117
148


122
151


142
159


150
161


176
167


191
173


212
175





As you can see, our toughest opponent was MUCH tougher than yours.
Opponents 2 and 3 for each of us were comparable.
The next SIX opponents for ISU were tougher.
The final three were easier than yours.


The depth of the Missouri Valley made ISU's path to here MUCH tougher than Eastern Washington's.

Yes, we've given up 1 point more per game (and I'm even letting you include the overtime scores), but there's a reason for that. Give Eastern Washington our schedule and I guarantee the field puts up 12 more points in 12 weeks.

Darn it, you got me. EWU and ISU are pretty similar and evenly matched all around. It's not like I've been saying that from the beginning or anything...

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Probably too late, but why didn't you guys push ESPN for Gameplan? Sure would be nice to see this on real TV on Saturday.


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It's even nicer watching it in person. :D

[Walkon79]

I get it dude. But there's other fans that might have more than a passing interest. Don't you guys ever do watch/satellite parties?

Oh wait, forgot this was Directional Washington :)


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[Walkon79]

Just like u SE, only thinking about yourself, and 8,000 other fans :)


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[Screamin_Eagle174]

Just like u SE, only thinking about yourself, and 8,000 other fans :)


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Hey, not my fault Montanans have yet to hear about the internets.


Wait a minute, HOW DID YOU POST THAT!?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

EWU loses by at least 17 points..............and they deserve it........just a bunch (16 or 17) of front running fans that run their cockholsters better than a $20 dollar whore (SE174s Mom) but they dont smell like sweaty shoes from Payless. (SE174s mom)

[Redbirdgrad]

Your hypothetical was that ISU allowed less TDs from beyond the redzone, when in reality they allow more than EWU, which I see you failed to acknowledge. Considering we've allowed 8 more drives in the redzone, and only given up 14 more points, I'd say our defense holding teams to that many FGs is pretty impressive. Like I said earlier, you can drive on us, but we're tougher to score TDs on. ISU gives up more big plays and TDs beyond the 20, and lots of points to good teams. I do love that you're desperately holding onto the idea that OT points and NDSU's points scored against your D don't matter or count. Pretty funny stuff.

I never failed to acknowledge that. You're talking about Red Zone Defense %, and I showed you why that's worthless. But like always you're trying to look for a new angle once I threw some facts in your face.

The problem is that you've allowed 8 more drives in the redzone and given up 14 more points. You're allowing teams to complete their 3rd downs and extend drives into the red zone. I'd be worried about that if I were you.

Deperately holding onto the idea that NDSU point's scored against don't matter or count? Please show me where I said that. They absolutely count, but 38 points to North Dakota State is better than 34 to Portland State any day of the week. We've played a tougher schedule, which is where the points against comes into play.

And I'm sorry, but OT points and "red zone" stats mean very little. I've shown you why, but you refuse to see that. Maybe the legalization that just happened last night is getting to you, but you're in trouble and you know it.

The only thing you had to hang your hat on was a defensive red zone percentage and you clung to it as long as you could. I showed you MANY stats that refute that and others that give ISU the edge. Yet you keep hanging on.

I commend your dedication to your school. That's why you're called a fan.

Now it's time to be a realist and wakeup to the fact that EWU doesn't have the advantage in this game you thought they do.

Tell me how your defense is going to get any pressure when our line is significantly better than your d line?
Tell me how your offense is going to get open on long routes when our defensive line is significantly better than your o line?

Football is won in the trenches, where we have an advantage, and defense is played ALL OVER THE FIELD... not just when you get to the 20s.



I looked at every other defensive stat and couldn't find any of them that favored you, so I'll ask the question that wasn't answered 7 pages ago... why is the EWU defense being compared to the ISU defense again?

Enjoy that herb.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

EWU loses by at least 17 points..............and they deserve it........just a bunch (16 or 17) of front running fans that run their cockholsters better than a $20 dollar whore (SE174s Mom) but they dont smell like sweaty shoes from Payless. (SE174s mom)

Awww, that's so sweet of my biggest fan to show up and wish us well! Speaking of well-wishing, next time you visit your ex-wife, will you say hello to my son? It's been about 12 or 13 years since I've been out that far into the boonies.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

I never failed to acknowledge that. You're talking about Red Zone Defense %, and I showed you why that's worthless. But like always you're trying to look for a new angle once I threw some facts in your face.

The problem is that you've allowed 8 more drives in the redzone and given up 14 more points. You're allowing teams to complete their 3rd downs and extend drives into the red zone. I'd be worried about that if I were you.

Deperately holding onto the idea that NDSU point's scored against don't matter or count? Please show me where I said that. They absolutely count, but 38 points to North Dakota State is better than 34 to Portland State any day of the week. We've played a tougher schedule, which is where the points against comes into play.

And I'm sorry, but OT points and "red zone" stats mean very little. I've shown you why, but you refuse to see that. Maybe the legalization that just happened last night is getting to you, but you're in trouble and you know it.

The only thing you had to hang your hat on was a defensive red zone percentage and you clung to it as long as you could. I showed you MANY stats that refute that and others that give ISU the edge. Yet you keep hanging on.

I commend your dedication to your school. That's why you're called a fan.

Now it's time to be a realist and wakeup to the fact that EWU doesn't have the advantage in this game you thought they do.

Tell me how your defense is going to get any pressure when our line is significantly better than your d line?
Tell me how your offense is going to get open on long routes when our defensive line is significantly better than your o line?

Football is won in the trenches, where we have an advantage, and defense is played ALL OVER THE FIELD... not just when you get to the 20s.



I looked at every other defensive stat and couldn't find any of them that favored you, so I'll ask the question that wasn't answered 7 pages ago... why is the EWU defense being compared to the ISU defense again?

Enjoy that herb.

Wow, you really are that dense. You refuted nothing... what you did was show that ISU's defense gives up TDs at a higher rate both inside and outside the redzone. Like you said, defense is played ALL OVER THE FIELD, so I guess what I'm wondering is why you didn't let your team know that??

Also, those are your opinions about how the two OLs and DLs stack up. We will find out on Saturday. How do you like crow?

[kalm]

Let me ask you another question, since you're holding onto this points scored stat like your life depended on it... which team's schedule is harder?

Sagarin Rankings:



Illinois State
Eastern Washington


44
77


90
87


91
89


93
136


100
144


117
148


122
151


142
159


150
161


176
167


191
173


212
175





As you can see, our toughest opponent was MUCH tougher than yours.
Opponents 2 and 3 for each of us were comparable.
The next SIX opponents for ISU were tougher.
The final three were easier than yours.


The depth of the Missouri Valley made ISU's path to here MUCH tougher than Eastern Washington's.

Yes, we've given up 1 point more per game (and I'm even letting you include the overtime scores), but there's a reason for that. Give Eastern Washington our schedule and I guarantee the field puts up 12 more points in 12 weeks.

Meh...

Washington State and Idaho are equal to EMU and NDSU. Cal Poly is clearly better than EIU. I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt and throw out Dayton. The conference schedules are comparable with your one marquee win being at home against ISUr. I'll take ours over seeded Montana State on the road.

Your posts are getting longer and longer. To quote a chinese proverb...he attempts to justify, often does not convince.

[ndsubison]

Guess I disagree with this statement.

The offenses in the MVFC can put up points with anyone (see our game at ASU last weekend), but we have better defenses keeping the numbers down.

We don't go against less high-powered offenses at all, we just actually play defense in our conference.

"BOOM"! Go RedBirds! Go Valley! And GO BISON!!

[Redbirdgrad]

Meh...

Washington State and Idaho are equal to EMU and NDSU. Cal Poly is clearly better than EIU. I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt and throw out Dayton. The conference schedules are comparable with your one marquee win being at home against ISUr. I'll take ours over seeded Montana State on the road.

Your posts are getting longer and longer. To quote a chinese proverb...he attempts to justify, often does not convince.

You're either drunk, or confused. We are ISU red, and we played ISU blue on the road. Hard for our marquee win to be against ourselves.

Please don't try and justify Washington State as being anywhere close to North Dakota State. NDSU would win that game by 20.
Idaho was the lowest scoring team in the FBS. They were horrible. Might as well have played Dayton.

The conference schedules are comparable????? Yes, you're clearly drunk. Everyone, and I repeat EVERYONE will tell you the Valley is much better.

[Redbirdgrad]

Wow, you really are that dense. You refuted nothing... what you did was show that ISU's defense gives up TDs at a higher rate both inside and outside the redzone. Like you said, defense is played ALL OVER THE FIELD, so I guess what I'm wondering is why you didn't let your team know that??

Also, those are your opinions about how the two OLs and DLs stack up. We will find out on Saturday. How do you like crow?

I guess you missed all those stats I threw around earlier. It's ok, we know they don't teach that stuff up in the northwest.

You really want me to start throwing out numbers on the O-Line and D-Line now?

If you want to read, you can start by researching the amount of sacks each O-Line has given up, and the amount of sacks each D-Line has earned.

Go ahead, I'll wait...

[Walkon79]

Hey, not my fault Montanans have yet to hear about the internets.


Wait a minute, HOW DID YOU POST THAT!?

You wouldn't have any friends to invite to a watch party anyway :)


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[kalm]

You're either drunk, or confused. We are ISU red, and we played ISU blue on the road. Hard for our marquee win to be against ourselves.

Please don't try and justify Washington State as being anywhere close to North Dakota State. NDSU would win that game by 20.
Idaho was the lowest scoring team in the FBS. They were horrible. Might as well have played Dayton.

The conference schedules are comparable????? Yes, you're clearly drunk. Everyone, and I repeat EVERYONE will tell you the Valley is much better.

So sorry about the ISUr thingy...but I think you're projecting a little with the NDSU margin of victory and I'm drunk part.

[kalm]

But I think it's great that at least 2 of the ISU's are improving in the subdivision.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

I guess you missed all those stats I threw around earlier. It's ok, we know they don't teach that stuff up in the northwest.

You really want me to start throwing out numbers on the O-Line and D-Line now?

If you want to read, you can start by researching the amount of sacks each O-Line has given up, and the amount of sacks each D-Line has earned.

Go ahead, I'll wait...

Yeah, I guess I did miss all those stats. Last I checked EWU's DL has not gone up against ISU's OL, and EWU's OL hasn't gone up against ISU's DL, so there are no stats to compare... until after the game. Now, if you wanted to compare EWU's OL and ISU's OL, that would be possible. I know things are real simple out there in the midwest, but please try to think before you post. You're making bi-son fans seem halfway intelligent.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

You wouldn't have any friends to invite to a watch party anyway :)


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Words hurt! xbawlingx

[Redbirdgrad]

Screamin and the rest of the EWU bunch...

It's been a fun week of back and forth but my schedule is slammed today and wont be able to participate in any banter.

Good luck tomorrow. We both have strong teams deserving of a semifinal opportunity.

While we disagree on who has the advantage over different situations, we both agree that it will be a whale of a ball game.

Take care and good luck!

[steelbison]

Looking at these teams they are equal or very close in a lot of categories.

Two things that stick out to me. EWU WR avg over 19 yards a catch. That's impressive!!!!! If Ill St wants a chance they have to keep him under control Easier said than done.

Question for the EWU fans. Have you played two QB's all year? and how does that work? Play the hot hand?

Looks like to me Padron is more of a passer and Adams more of a runner??


Good luck to both teams as it should be a hell of a game!

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Looking at these teams they are equal or very close in a lot of categories.

Two things that stick out to me. EWU WR avg over 19 yards a catch. That's impressive!!!!! If Ill St wants a chance they have to keep him under control Easier said than done.

Question for the EWU fans. Have you played two QB's all year? and how does that work? Play the hot hand?

Looks like to me Padron is more of a passer and Adams more of a runner??


Good luck to both teams as it should be a hell of a game!

Padron started the first two games against Idaho and Wazzu, then Baldwin surprised everyone by starting Adams against Weber. Both QBs played in that game and from then on for the most part, with Adams getting the starts, and Padron coming in when Baldwin sees an advantage. Right now I think Padron is getting the nod because he's been the hot hand. He came in the 3rd series in the PSU game and shredded them. Padron is primarily a pocket passer, a big guy at 6'4. He's surprisingly athletic though and can scramble. Adams is much smaller at 6'0 190, and can escape pressure easier and gain the yards on the ground... he reminds me a little of Mike Vick in his running, but not as strong an arm.

Edit: Updated the 2nd post with this article, which fits this post.
http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/e-washington-to-use-two-quarterback-attack-vs-isu/article_84b366a0-400b-11e2-953e-001a4bcf887a.html

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Updated.
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?125432-2-EWU-vs-ISU&p=1907259&viewfull=1#post1907259

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/140/bf66b7243d4449c3aed043e2f17129c7/l.jpg

Surprised you wiped that "mayo" off your chin..........................pssst we all know it wasnt mayo.............................

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Awww look, it's my favorite stalker! I know you're a diehard EWU fan too, but it's kind of creepy you follow me around with a camera. Plus, I told you, I'm not into butch lezzies.

Thanks for getting a good pic of me though. xthumbsupx

[Tubby Raymond]

If that's a good pic of you , can't imagine what a bad one would look like

[X-Factor]

This game has the making of being a classic q_final matchup. My biggest concern here is what color jerseys will be worn by both teams?!

[kalm]

This game has the making of being a classic q_final matchup. My biggest concern here is what color jerseys will be worn by both teams?!

I think the players get a say in this and it will probably be the all reds, keeping the tradition from 2010 alive. Then again, Baldwin gets constantly asked to make comparisons with that team in interviews and is always quick to point out that as a program they really don't talk that much about the NC year and that each season has it's own unique team.

So perhaps they differentiate.

Regardless, the all blacks are far and away our best uni's. But all reds with black helmets is about the only combo we haven't seen yet.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

If that's a good pic of you , can't imagine what a bad one would look like

My comment was rhetorical... there aren't any bad ones. :D

[Red & Black]

I think the players get a say in this and it will probably be the all reds, keeping the tradition from 2010 alive. Then again, Baldwin gets constantly asked to make comparisons with that team in interviews and is always quick to point out that as a program they really don't talk that much about the NC year and that each season has it's own unique team.

So perhaps they differentiate.

Regardless, the all blacks are far and away our best uni's. But all reds with black helmets is about the only combo we haven't seen yet.

I'm hoping for the All-Blacks...or at least the black helmets.


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[Screamin_Eagle174]

Updated with the final 3 pregame articles (2 Pentegraph, 1 Spokesman).

[RonanOShea]

Neat stadium here in Cheney. Should be a fun one.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9n6cYsCMAA20iF.jpg

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I'm hoping for the All-Blacks...or at least the black helmets.


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Racist

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Lets go Redbirds!

[Sam_Kats]

Hey, Alphie - we agree.

ISU!!!

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Hey, Alphie - we agree.

ISU!!!
Cool......but I dont give a *****..........................so................. .............................(that F Bomb was just for you)

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/140/bf66b7243d4449c3aed043e2f17129c7/l.jpg

ga....HEY!

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/140/bf66b7243d4449c3aed043e2f17129c7/l.jpg

ga....HEY!

Screaming Bagel....................the Pillsbury doughboy called...................he wants his tan back..........................................

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Man....what a *****hole stadium......................................xcoff eex

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I like ESPN, they cant even spell Padrons name right........................not that it matters hes a nobody that nobody knows anyway

[Cleets]

I will not watch this game on that abomination of a field... Ugh
What a disaster of a field / makes watching the game impossible

See ya later, I'm out!

[X-Factor]

Gawd what an eyesore that tampon field is

[Red & Black]

Man....what a *****hole stadium......................................xcoff eex

Tell us something we don't know, dickwad. You're like a broken record.


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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I will not watch this game on that abomination of a field... Ugh
What a disaster of a field / makes watching the game impossible

See ya later, I'm out!

Oh, it wont really be a game..........................but still I get what you are saying......................................for once

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Tell us something we don't know, dickwad. You're like a broken record.


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Your team isnt that good.........you dont know that or you are just unwilling to admit it to yourselves. xcoffeex

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The red thing......is so stupid and screams "look at me"..........................

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I like ISUR by about 10 in this one..

[NoDak 4 Ever]

The red thing......is so stupid and screams "look at me"..........................

I'm going to try but I really don't think I can watch this.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Illinois has too much team speed.........its evident already

[X-Factor]

Illinois has too much team speed.........its evident already


I thought SPEED was relegated to the socon?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Obvious PI that wasnt called

[GrizzlyBill]

The red thing......is so stupid and screams "look at me"..........................

Please refrain from posting this BS. Some are interested in the game.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

They need to go for this and set the tone................

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Big stand by EWU but still a nice opening drive by ISU that ends in points..

3-0 Ill St.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Please refrain from posting this BS. Some are interested in the game.

They think its funny to ruin threads so I am gonna show them how its done.................................screw EWU

[RonanOShea]

Always hurts to get inside the 10 and settle for 3.

[Sammy94]

Let's go Redbirds!!!

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Obvious holding call that wasnt called..............

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Not much defense in this one so far.

EWU with a big pass play for a TD

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Refs have this one in the bag.......how many flags are they NOT going to throw in this one?

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Please refrain from posting this BS. Some are interested in the game.

I do have to say this because I just asked my 2 year old "What color is that?" he said "Pink".

Perfect.

By the way, like all attention whores, they want you to talk about it.

[Red & Black]

Refs have this one in the bag.......how many flags are they NOT going to throw in this one?

The game just started. Already with the excuses?


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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

What a catch for a TD!!

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

More PI that wasnt called............TD Redbirds

[BNATION]

Obvious holding call that wasnt called..............

Dude you suck

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The game just started. Already with the excuses?


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Hell yeah I just want to fit in with your fanbase..............its all you do!!!

[Obzerver]

I do have to say this because I just asked my 2 year old "What color is that?" he said "Pink".

Perfect.

By the way, like all attention whores, they want you to talk about it.

ha...your kid is not only retarded but gay...perfect

[Mr. C]

About as much defense in this game as there was in Norfolk this afternoon.

[Mr. C]

At least someone can kick a field goal.

[Red & Black]

Hell yeah I just want to fit in with your fanbase..............its all you do!!!

Excuses? Excuses for what, exactly? Winning?


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[Red & Black]

About as much defense in this game as there was in Norfolk this afternoon.

Yep.


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[WrenFGun]

God, these defenses make me feel like I'm watching UNH ... kind of.

[Mr. C]

Hell yeah I just want to fit in with your fanbase..............its all you do!!!

You fit in with any team's fan base, except maybe the Bobkitties.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Block in the back.............

[Mr. C]

Wow. And now a kickoff return for a TD.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

EWU returns the ensuing KO for a TD

[Red & Black]

EWU returns the ensuing KO for a TD

Or maybe not.


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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Or maybe not.


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LOL....the K State player did this last week...I don't understand how you can be so careless. The EWU kid wasn't even close to crossing...

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Dont worry the refs got this one..........................

[WrenFGun]

Wow, what a dumb play!

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

What a screw job!

[Red & Black]

LOL....the K State player did this last week...I don't understand how you can be so careless. The EWU kid wasn't even close to crossing...

Agreed, what an idiot. Freshman play.


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[Mr. C]

Where are the refs from?

[Twentysix]

That was a touchback, omg that call was blown.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Where are the refs from?

Obviously Spokane

[RonanOShea]

These are Big South officials.

[bisonguy]

E Dubs just got Bill Fette'd. xlolx

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

No wonder Padron transfered..........great pass...........................xcoffeex

[Mr. C]

These are Big South officials.

Heaven help us. That's means they are really ACC officials.

[Mr. C]

No wonder Padron transfered..........great pass...........................xcoffeex

Just like Mitchell used to do.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

That was a touchback, omg that call was blown.

It's not a touchback. The samething happened last week during the K State-Texas game. The ball never crossed the goal line and ISU never possessed it. As a result it should have remained EWU ball where the ball was when the play was blown dead.

[BNATION]

Wow huge stop

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

EWU must have at least 80-100 people at the game...........things are looking up over there.

[Mr. C]

The difference between the GSU-ODU game and this one is no one out in Cheney can cover kickoffs.

[Red & Black]

It's not a touchback. The samething happened last week during the K State-Texas game. The ball never crossed the goal line and ISU never possessed it. As a result it should have remained EWU ball where the ball was when the play was blown dead.

Never let actual rules get in the way of blind hatred.


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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Thanks ESPN3...............

[Mr. C]

Suddenly the ESPN3 picture cut to the Dean Smith Center.

[Skjellyfetti]

Nice work, espn3.

[Twentysix]

Last year we had warren holloway attempt to stretch for the endzone, at the 1 yd line he fumbled the ball and it rolled into the endzone and out of bounds in the endzone (aka a deadball in the endzone) The ball was given to the other team on the 20 yd line.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

It's not a touchback. The samething happened last week during the K State-Texas game. The ball never crossed the goal line and ISU never possessed it. As a result it should have remained EWU ball where the ball was when the play was blown dead.

That ball was over the "plane" when it hit the ground, why isn't the goal line the end zone in that case?

[Mr. C]

And back from Chapel Hill to Cheney again.

[Twentysix]

The ball was in the white paint of the goal line watch the replay.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The ball was in the white paint of the goal line watch the replay.

He cant see it because of blind hate...............

[Mr. C]

And one quarter in the books.

[Mr. C]

He cant see it because of blind hate...............

It's hard to see anything on the Tabasco Turf.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Very obvious that the Redbirds are the better team.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

It's hard to see anything on the Tabasco Turf.

You are the second person I have heard say that..............

[Eaglegus2]

I cannot get ESPN3 but thanks for the radio link. Sounds like an awesome game so for.

[proasu89]

Score?

[Mr. C]

I cannot get ESPN3 but thanks for the radio link. Sounds like an awesome game so for.

At least your eyes won't hurt when this one is over.

[Mr. C]

ISU 17, EWU 10

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TD Illinois State!!

Made that look easy...

[Red & Black]

The ball was in the white paint of the goal line watch the replay.

The ball has to be recovered for it to be a touch-back. It was not...just sat there in the EZ.


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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Man State is going through the "Red Sieve Defense" easier than Screaming Beagles mom lays down for cash.........................