Payton/Buchanan Favorites?

[smallcollegefbfan]

Below is a look at those who I figure to be the best vote getters from most for the awards. I think Maysonet takes the Payton while I still think the Buchanan is wide open. If I had to pick a top 3 though I would go with Underwood, McCabe, and Tartt.

How about you guys? Who would you pick so far?


PAYTON

RB Zach Bauman, Northern Arizona, Jr.
211 carries, 1138 yards, 5.4ypc, 8 TD, 113.8 yds/gm, 30 catches, 204 yards, 1 TD in 10 games.

RB Shakir Bell, Indiana State, Jr.
251 carries, 1421 yards, 5.7ypc, 11 TD, 142.1 yds/gm, 19 catches, 142 yards, 7.5ypc, 1 TD in 10 games.

FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr.
216 carries, 1528 yards, 7.1ypc, 15 TD, 152.8 yds/gm, 2 catches, 8 yards in 10 games.

QB Casey Brockman, Murray State, Sr.
339-491, 3540 yards, 25 TD, 9 INT, 69.0%, 354.0 yds/gm, 91 carries, 13 yards, 6 TD in 10 games.

QB Matt Brown, Illinois State, Sr.
203-324, 2464 yards, 19 TD, 10 INT, 62.7%, 246.4 yds/gm, 33 carries, 76 yards, 5 TD in 10 games.

RB Matt Denham, Eastern Kentucky, Sr.
287 carries, 1386 yards, 4.8ypc, 14 TD, 126.0 yds/gm, 14 catches, 175 yards, 3 TD in 11 games.

RB Tim Flanders, Sam Houston State, Sr.
166 carries, 1087 yards, 6.5ypc, 16 TD, 108.7 yds/gm, 9 catches, 77 yards, 1 TD in 10 games.

QB Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois, Jr.
287-466, 3374 yards, 27 TD, 13 INT, 337.4 yds/gm, 72 carries, 17 yards, 2 TD in 10 games.

QB Taylor Heinicke, Old Dominion, Jr.
303-446, 3801 yards, 31 TD, 12 INT, 67.9%, 380.1 yds/gm, 105 carries, 387 yards, 3.7ypc, 8 TD in 10 games.

WR Brandon Kaufman, Eastern Washington, Jr.
56 catches, 1109 yards, 19.8ypc, 10 TD, 110.9 yds/gm in 10 games.

WR Erik Lora, Eastern Illinois, Jr.
115 catches, 1479 yards, 12.9ypc, 11 TD, 147.9 yds/gm in 10 games.

RB Miguel Maysonet, Stony Brook, Sr.
223 carries, 1721 yards, 7.7ypc, 19 TD, 156.5 yds/gm, 3 catches, 43 yards, 1 TD in 11 games.

QB Gavin McCarney, Colgate, Jr.
134-214, 2041 yards, 14 TD, 5 INT, 62.6%, 204.1 yds/gm, 152 carries, 1131 yards, 7.4ypc, 21 TD in 10 games.

QB DeNarius McGhee, Montana State, Jr.
230-333, 2479 yards, 21 TD, 8 INT, 247.9 yds/gm, 95 carries, 223 yards, 4 TD in 10 games.

WR Aaron Mellette, Elon, Sr.
88 catches, 1210 yards, 13.8ypc, 17 TD, 121.0 yds/gm, 2 carries, 5 yards in 10 games.

QB Wynrick Smothers, Central Arkansas, Jr.
226-337, 2517 yards, 27 TD, 9 INT, 67.1%, 251.7 yds/gm, 87 carries, 360 yards, 4.1ypc, 3 TD in 10 games.

QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Sr.
273-439, 3139 yards, 23 TD, 10 INT, 62.2%, 285.4 yds/gm, 68 carries, -75 yards, 2 TD in 11 games.

RB Trabis Ward, Tennessee State, Jr.
285 carries, 1316 yards, 4.6ypc, 15 TD, 131.6 yds/gm, 16 catches, 206 yards in 10 games.

RB Deonte Williams, Cal Poly, Sr.
193 carries, 1319 yards, 6.8ypc, 12 TD, 131.9 yds/gm, 8 catches, 52 yards, 1 TD in 10 games.

RB Zach Zenner, South Dakota State, Fr.
224 carries, 1539 yards, 6.9ypc, 9 TD, 153.9 yds/gm, 24 catches, 153 yards, 6.4ypc in 10 games.


BUCHANAN

CB Robert Alford, Southeastern Louisiana, Sr.
37 tackles, 5 TFL, 4 INT, 7 PBU in 10 games.

LB Matt Evans, New Hampshire, Sr.
103 tackles, 8.5 TFL, 3 sacks, 2 PBU in 10 games.

CB Steven Godbolt III, Tennessee State, Soph.
41 tackles, 6 INT, 5 PBU, 2 FF in 9 games.

DE Zach Hodges, Harvard, Soph.
27 tackles, 14 TFL, 9 sacks, 10 QBH in 9 games.

DT Montori Hughes, UT Martin, Sr.
38 tackles, 8.5 TFL, 4 sacks, 1 PBU, 10 QBH in 10 games.

LB Jeremy Kimbrough, Appalachian State, Sr.
128 tackles, 9 TFL, 3.5 sacks, 1 INT, 1 QBH in 11 games.

LB Robert McCabe, Georgetown, Sr.
144 tackles, 14 TFL, 5.5 sacks, 1 PBU in 10 games.

DT Caraun Reid, Princeton, Sr.
31 tackles, 7 TFL, 4.5 sacks, 1 FF, 2 BLK, 1 Safety in 8 games.

LB Stephon Robertson, James Madison, Jr.
92 tackles, 8.5 TFL, 1 sack, 1 INT, 5 PBU, 1 FF in 10 games.

DT Brent Russell, Georgia Southern, Sr.
32 tackles, 7.5 TFL, 3.5 sacks, 1 QBH, 1 BLK in 9 games.

DE Caleb Schreibeis, Montana State, Sr.
35 tackles, 13 TFL, 10 sacks, 1 PBU, 7 QBH, 7 FF in 9 games.

LB Ian Sluss, Portland State, Sr.
97 tackles, 11 TFL, 2 sacks, 4 INT/returned 2 for TDs, 3 PBU, 2 QBH, 4 FR/returned one for TD, 1 FF in 10 games.

S Jaquiski Tartt, Samford, Soph.
87 tackles, 3 TFL, 4 INT/returned one for TD, 10 PBU, 2 FR/returned one for TD, 1 FF in 10 games.

S Darnell Taylor, Sam Houston State, Sr.
67 tackles, 2 TFL, 2 sacks, 2 INT, 5 PBU, 1 QBH, 1 FR, 1 FF in 10 games.

DE Brandon Thurmond, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Sr.
56 tackles, 22 TFL, 15.5 sacks, 1 PBU, 7 QBH, 3 FR, 1 FF, 1 BLK in 10 games.

LB Jordan Tripp, Montana, Jr.
82 tackles, 13 TFL, 5.5 sacks, 1 INT, 2 PBU, 2 QBH, 1 FR returned for TD, 4 FF in 10 games.

DE Davis Tull, Chattanooga, Soph.
52 tackles, 16.5 TFL, 10 sacks, 6 QBH, 3 FF in 10 games.

DE Colton Underwood, Illinois State, Jr.
84 tackles, 17 TFL, 8.5 sacks, 1 PBU, 8 QBH, 1 BLK in 10 games.

CB B.W. Webb, William & Mary, Sr.
41 tackles, 1 TFL, 6 PBU, 2 FR, 1 FF in 10 games.

CB Marcus Williams, North Dakota State, Jr.
19 tackles, 4 INT/returned one for TD, 3 PBU, 8 KR, 203 yards, 25.4avg, 3 PR, 78 yards, 26.0avg in 9 games.

[Go...gate]

I don't know how McCarney does not get in the top 3.

[jmufan999]

Stephon Robertson is an amazing player, but you can't vote for a JMU defensive player this year. Good luck to all the candidates.

My vote would be for Marcus Williams.

[HailSzczur]

I like Zenner for the Payton. Not sure about the Buchanan though, don't know much about the candidates

[citdog]

Tomorrow on the FCS Wedge we will have Tim Mcdonnell from the Sports Network on to discuss the postseason awards.

[GeauxLions94]

I like Zenner for the Payton. Not sure about the Buchanan though, don't know much about the candidates

I like Zenner also (saw him first hand and he's a load) ... also like Maysonet, Breitenstein and Flanders for Payton

As for Buchanan, flip a coin but Tartt, Underwood and Evans could be top three ... I also like Alford (SLU), he's had a very good year and could be one of the first FCS players picked in the NFL Draft.

[ITmonarch10]

I like Miguel Maysonet too ,but you have to remember hes done for the season while the other players still have 1 game left.
*Cough Homer pick* I also like Taylor Heinicke too. I think he can break 4000 yards and toss a couple more touch downs against JMU.

[GeauxLions94]

I like Miguel Maysonet too ,but you have to remember hes done for the season while the other players still have 1 game left.
*Cough Homer pick* I also like Taylor Heinicke too. I think he can break 4000 yards and toss a couple more touch downs against JMU.

Throw him in there too.

[Appattk]

FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr.
216 carries, 1528 yards, 7.1ypc, 15 TD, 152.8 yds/gm, 2 catches, 8 yards in 10 games.

THIS kid is a beast! xnodx

He is single handily keeping Wofford in post season talks...

[smallcollegefbfan]

I like Zenner also (saw him first hand and he's a load) ... also like Maysonet, Breitenstein and Flanders for Payton

As for Buchanan, flip a coin but Tartt, Underwood and Evans could be top three ... I also like Alford (SLU), he's had a very good year and could be one of the first FCS players picked in the NFL Draft.

Alford should be the first FCS player drafted. I'll be surprised if he, Mellette, Sorensen, Rogers, and Goard are not the first ones taken.

[The Eagle's Cliff]

Taylor Heinicke is the biggest reason for ODU's success.

Brent Russell won't win because his stats aren't flashy, but no other player "disturbs" offenses and forces the OC to plan around him than Brent.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I like Miguel Maysonet too ,but you have to remember hes done for the season while the other players still have 1 game left.
*Cough Homer pick* I also like Taylor Heinicke too. I think he can break 4000 yards and toss a couple more touch downs against JMU.

The only reason I don't have Heinicke and Garoppolo in my personal top 5 is because their numbers are inflated due to running a no huddle offense. They are both getting a lot more reps than all the other QBs because they don't huddle and run the hurry up.

[UNH Fanboi]

I like Heineken for the Payton.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Taylor Heinicke is the biggest reason for ODU's success.

Brent Russell won't win because his stats aren't flashy, but no other player "disturbs" offenses and forces the OC to plan around him than Brent.

Russell was in my top 5 but the fact he has missed a game due to suspension, been arrested, and the lack of big numbers I believe he finishes out of the top 5 but in the top 10. He's a name whose reputation should at least earn him a top 10 spot with all of that other stuff going against him.

[UNH Fanboi]

The only reason I don't have Heinicke and Garoppolo in my personal top 5 is because their numbers are inflated due to running a no huddle offense. They are both getting a lot more reps than all the other QBs because they don't huddle and run the hurry up.

Nonsense. That's like Shaq's numbers were inflated because he was tall.

If it were so easy to put up 4000 yards running the no huddle, why isn't everyone doing it?

[asumike83]

FB Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Sr.
216 carries, 1528 yards, 7.1ypc, 15 TD, 152.8 yds/gm, 2 catches, 8 yards in 10 games.

THIS kid is a beast! xnodx

He is single handily keeping Wofford in post season talks...

For what it's worth, Steven Miller has more all-purpose yards and just as many touchdowns, albeit in one more game.

222 carries, 1307 yards, 5.9 YPC, 11 TD
29 receptions, 367 yards, 4 TD

Unless EB has a big day against South Carolina, their stats will be virtually even. Miller was just an unknown commodity entering the year, doesn't have the same body of work over his career.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Nonsense. That's like Shaq's numbers were inflated because he was tall.

If it were so easy to put up 4000 yards running the no huddle, why isn't everyone doing it?

Not everyone is running no huddle all game every game. I'm not saying he isn't good but just saying his numbers are higher than than they would be if they ran a pro style or more ground oriented game. Watch EKU play and you would know that Tom Brady couldn't put up 4,000 yards in that offense because of how much they run the ball. ODU throws pretty much every play and runs the hurry up.

I don't think Heinicke finishes in the top 2, maybe 3. I have him 3rd on my list right now.

Maysonet should walk away with this thing. Remember, he has kept an All-Big Ten RB on the bench and leads the nation in rushing and ypc among those in the top 20 in rushing at 7.72.

[smallcollegefbfan]

For what it's worth, Steven Miller has more all-purpose yards and just as many touchdowns, albeit in one more game.

222 carries, 1307 yards, 5.9 YPC, 11 TD
29 receptions, 367 yards, 4 TD

Unless EB has a big day against South Carolina, their stats will be virtually even. Miller was just an unknown commodity entering the year, doesn't have the same body of work over his career.

Also, remember that in Wofford's system the FB is going to have good numbers. Look at their list few FBs. They all have over 1,000 yards. I think EB is the best of the recent ones but he's not a next level guy. I think his body of work and name are going to put him in the top 3 but if you look at just this season I don't see how Maysonet doesn't walk away with it. I would usually discount it a little bit since he hasn't faced an elite FCS defense but he's keeping a projected mid round pick and All-Big Ten RB on the bench. That's very impressive and Walter Payton Worthy.

[DJnva]

The only reason I don't have Heinicke and Garoppolo in my personal top 5 is because their numbers are inflated due to running a no huddle offense. They are both getting a lot more reps than all the other QBs because they don't huddle and run the hurry up.

They've thrown about as much as Brockman and Sorenson. Are they also not in the Top 5?

I mean, teams take advantage of where the talent lies. It's like penalizing a great runner because his team relies on him so much they feed him the ball. That's the point.



I don't think Heinicke finishes in the top 2, maybe 3. I have him 3rd on my list right now.


So, is he not in your Top 5, or is he 3rd?

[ODUCoach]

ODU throws pretty much every play and runs the hurry up.

397 Rushing attempts
453 Passing attempts

Not nearly the disparity many people think.

Sure, Heinicke throws the ball a bunch. But, everyone knows he's going to toss it around, yet he still completes 68% of his passes for 380 yards and 3 TDs per game.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Marcus Williams gets the old Darrell Revis treatment. They just don't throw to his side of the field. That combined with the MVFC's penchant for the rushing attack and he might not have the statistical juice but should definitely be in consideration for his effectiveness on the field.

[BEAR]

QB Wynrick Smothers, Central Arkansas, Jr.
226-337, 2517 yards, 27 TD, 9 INT, 67.1%, 251.7 yds/gm, 87 carries, 360 yards, 4.1ypc, 3 TD in 10 games

I had no idea Smothers was doing this well. Way to go Professor!

[SpeedkingATL]

Kimbrough has had a heck of a year for App but the defense overall has been rather porous so I'm not sure how that would affect his candidacy.

[Go Apps]

I think Kimbrough on the Buchannan

[smallcollegefbfan]

They've thrown about as much as Brockman and Sorenson. Are they also not in the Top 5?

I mean, teams take advantage of where the talent lies. It's like penalizing a great runner because his team relies on him so much they feed him the ball. That's the point.


So, is he not in your Top 5, or is he 3rd?

I have Heinicke 3rd. I think he's really good. I just won't vote him #1. As far as the others I do not have them that high. I watched the film and Sorensen has been too inconsistent to be top 5 while Brockman to me just isn't quite as good as the others.

Remember though, I put all of these guys in the top 20 so now I'm just nitpicking among the elite. Trying to find ways to separate one from another because they are all great players. We all need to remember that by me putting them on this list I am saying they are all elite or very good FCS players. They are all among the best in the nation so there is no reason to get upset when one of us puts one over another. Like I said, I'm mostly trying to find ways to separate a big group of 20 into 5 deserving names.

[smallcollegefbfan]

397 Rushing attempts
453 Passing attempts

Not nearly the disparity many people think.

Sure, Heinicke throws the ball a bunch. But, everyone knows he's going to toss it around, yet he still completes 68% of his passes for 380 yards and 3 TDs per game.

A lot of Heinicke's rushing comes on him not seeing anything open and running the ball. It's not a huge disparity but if you took the plays he just runs when there is no one open and look at the play called then you probably have another 40 plays where the intention then the ball was snapped was to throw.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Marcus Williams gets the old Darrell Revis treatment. They just don't throw to his side of the field. That combined with the MVFC's penchant for the rushing attack and he might not have the statistical juice but should definitely be in consideration for his effectiveness on the field.

He definitely should. With his rep I have him in my top 5. He and Alford are both very underrated. Alford, Webb, McCray, and Williams are my top 4 CBs in FCS with Dax Swanson, Godbolt, and a couple others in that next tier.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I think Kimbrough on the Buchannan

Kimbrough has been good. I have him and McCabe listed as the most likely to finish in the top 5 among LBs.

Matt Evans has been down from last year while Tripp hasn't had the consistency of big games you look for in a top guy. I think Tripp is the most physically gifted and pro ready of the LBs. If Tripp put up the consistent numbers that McCabe and Kimbrough have this year I think he would be #2 or #3 easily, maybe #1.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

He definitely should. With his rep I have him in my top 5. He and Alford are both very underrated. Alford, Webb, McCray, and Williams are my top 4 CBs in FCS with Dax Swanson, Godbolt, and a couple others in that next tier.

The fact that the NDSU defense is just sick beyond belief will help a lot.

[Sam_Kats]

Unfortunately for Flanders & Taylor, they've had 3-4 2nd halves off this year.

[BEAR]

Unfortunately for Flanders & Taylor, they've had 3-4 2nd halves off this year.

That's alright. Flanders will see plenty of playing time on Sundays. xbowx

[smallcollegefbfan]

That's alright. Flanders will see plenty of playing time on Sundays. xbowx

Flanders will certainly have a shot. I have him as a free agent on my 2014 board for now but he has a year to develop and could certainly find himself on the draft board.

[fatmonarch]

A lot of Heinicke's rushing comes on him not seeing anything open and running the ball. It's not a huge disparity but if you took the plays he just runs when there is no one open and look at the play called then you probably have another 40 plays where the intention then the ball was snapped was to throw.

I think you are missing the point. Those numbers were the teams rushing to passing, not heinickes. We have had over 200 yards rushing the past three games and our running back had over 100 all three games. One of the things that makes heinicke so great is that teams game plan just for him. They drop safety's back deep every play and only rush 3 most plays just to cover everybody. Heinicke takes advantage by scrambling and picking up yards any way possible. How can you not have a division 1 record holder with his kind of numbers winning this thing? He is the only reason odu is 10-1. Our defense is awful.

[GateRaider63]

I don't know how McCarney does not get in the top 3.

I'm not sure either...

QB Gavin McCarney, Colgate, Jr.
134-214, 2041 yards, 14 TD, 5 INT, 62.6%, 204.1 yds/gm, 152 carries, 1131 yards, 7.4ypc, 21 TD in 10 games.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I think you are missing the point. Those numbers were the teams rushing to passing, not heinickes. We have had over 200 yards rushing the past three games and our running back had over 100 all three games. One of the things that makes heinicke so great is that teams game plan just for him. They drop safety's back deep every play and only rush 3 most plays just to cover everybody. Heinicke takes advantage by scrambling and picking up yards any way possible. How can you not have a division 1 record holder with his kind of numbers winning this thing? He is the only reason odu is 10-1. Our defense is awful.

Maysonset is breaking records as well and one thing to remember is that he is doing something none of these others can say. He is keeping a BCS All-Conference RB on the bench. He's a NFL caliber player and leading the nation in rushing. Like you said, Heinicke is the focus but you have good WRs and a RB who can make plays. Your defense is bad. SBU leans on Maysonet heavily as well.

With that said, I think Heinicke is going to be the CAA OFF POY this year for sure and finish in the top 5 for the Payton. I have Heinicke #2 on my ballot right now. I have seen him and Maysonet both 3-4 times each and Maysonet is the better player and the more physically dominant player of the two. You are focusing on the fact I'm saying I won't have him #1 on my ballot but being #2 is not shabby. I also know that some voters are not going to vote him because you guys are moving up. While I don't punish your players who were recruited as FCS players and are on a team with 63 scholarships I know some who are.

[cpalum]

I dont think that Cal Poly has ever had a Payton award winner...

I guess I don't know how it works? Can someone explain why a guy like Deonte Williams would not be further up this list?

RB Deonte Williams, Cal Poly, Sr.
193 carries, 1319 yards, 6.8ypc, 12 TD, 131.9 yds/gm, 8 catches, 52 yards, 1 TD in 10 games.

[Twentysix]

I dont think that Cal Poly has ever had a Payton award winner...

I guess I don't know how it works? Can someone explain why a guy like Deonte Williams would not be further up this list?

RB Deonte Williams, Cal Poly, Sr.
193 carries, 1319 yards, 6.8ypc, 12 TD, 131.9 yds/gm, 8 catches, 52 yards, 1 TD in 10 games.

I don't think the order of the names has anything to do with anything.

[cpalum]

I don't think the order of the names has anything to do with anything.

thanks ...I just picked that upxrolleyesx

[smallcollegefbfan]

I don't think the order of the names has anything to do with anything.

I have players listed alphabetically.

[fatmonarch]

Physically dominant in the big south isn't saying too much. I watched maysonet against liberty this weekend. I thought Terrance west was more physically dominant in the CAA. Basically what you are saying is that you are punishing heinicke for not having a BCS quarterback behind him and not being physical as a quarterback. Maysonets records are school and conference career records. Heinicke is a sophomore that set single game records for all of division 1.

[biggie]

Since Jamal Jackson was just added, I'll put his up. Don't expect him to win though.

QB Jamal Jackson, Appalachian State, Jr.
235-361, 2905 yards, 19 TD, 7 INT, 65.1%, 264.1 yds/gm, 108 carries, 334 yards, 3.1ypc, 5 TD in 11 games.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Physically dominant in the big south isn't saying too much. I watched maysonet against liberty this weekend. I thought Terrance west was more physically dominant in the CAA. Basically what you are saying is that you are punishing heinicke for not having a BCS quarterback behind him and not being physical as a quarterback. Maysonets records are school and conference career records. Heinicke is a sophomore that set single game records for all of division 1.

He certainly is the most physically dominant but if I put West on the list with his numbers you would laugh and say he does not belong. I combine stats, team record, level of competition, NFL potential, etc. all together to put who I think should be #1. I'm not punishing Heinicke but he's not the best player in FCS just like Bo Levi Mitchell was not last year. Heinicke is a great player and should be good in FBS but I'll be curious to see how his numbers do.

I'm not punishing anyone for not having an all-league BCS player behind them but I am giving extra to Maysonet because he's keeping a guy off the field who people in the Big Ten thought would dominate.

If you put West or Maysonet in the SEC or Big Ten they would be All-Conference for sure. I don't think Heinicke would be a star in the SEC or Big Ten but I do think he would be an above average player. Heinicke really impresses me with his vision, accuracy, mobility, etc. He just isn't quite big enough to take the punishment of those leagues and hold up at a high level throughout the season. Put him in that setting for one week though and I think he would do well. When Maysonet and West have been put up against FBS defenses they have shown that they not only can hang but truly belong there.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Since Jamal Jackson was just added, I'll put his up. Don't expect him to win though.

QB Jamal Jackson, Appalachian State, Jr.
235-361, 2905 yards, 19 TD, 7 INT, 65.1%, 264.1 yds/gm, 108 carries, 334 yards, 3.1ypc, 5 TD in 11 games.

I personally would have gone with Miller but in all honesty I don't think Jackson is quite in the top 20 group for now. I'm sure Mike Flynn is pushing Jackson but Jackson has been up and down this year. He really struggles when he has little time and has to make quick decisions. I would put Miller ahead of him. To be honest though I think EB and Mellette are head and shoulders above the others in the SoCon right now for OFF POY and Walter Payton nominations. Jackson and Miller would each finish 3rd at best in SoCon OFF POY voting right now. I think Kimbrough or Tartt wins the DEF POY award while OFF POY probably goes to EB, even though I think Mellette is truly the best offensive player and of the two will get drafted.

[biggie]

Probably knows that Miller doesn't have a chance to win this year and is a SR. While JJ does get the publicity setting him up for next year.

But Price may jump ahead next year if he improves any and gets to play every game.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Probably knows that Miller doesn't have a chance to win this year and is a SR. While JJ does get the publicity setting him up for next year.

But Price may jump ahead next year if he improves any and gets to play every game.

To be honest I'm not a big fan of that. Flynn did the same thing to Jason Hunter when he was better than Murrell and Hunter was completely snubbed but should have been top 10 his senior year. Next year is next year. This award is for this year and Miller is the better of the two.

Now, you bring up Price. Price is the most talented of all of them and if you really want to set someone up I'd nominate him but I'm looking at 2012 only and thus I'd take Miller because he's the speedster who has made big plays and he can do a lot. I think Miller deserves some attention but yes I agree that is what Flynn is doing and it's hurting Miller's name nationally for All-America Teams. I think Jerodis Williams, Miller, and EB all deserve some type of All-America mention this year.

[fatmonarch]

I think the biggest difference between maysonet and heinicke is Qb vs. RB. We are talking about who the most outstanding offensive player in FCS. Heinicke controls the best offense in FCS, not the most BCS ready. Tennessee tech has a BCS WR on their team. why isnt he in the discussion? Heinicke runs the offense, audibles plays, he extends plays way past where they should be, and makes the guys around him so much better. Running backs don't do that nearly as much and in some cases not at all. Ask GSU fans, UNH fans, or anybody else who played heinicke how crazy he is. Listen to opposing coaches talk about him pre and post game. I know heinicke wasn't on your preseason Payton watch list.

BTW, I know wests numbers are Not great this season. I was just throwing out that there are more physically dominating backs.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I think the biggest difference between maysonet and heinicke is Qb vs. RB. We are talking about who the most outstanding offensive player in FCS. Heinicke controls the best offense in FCS, not the most BCS ready. Tennessee tech has a BCS WR on their team. why isnt he in the discussion? Heinicke runs the offense, audibles plays, he extends plays way past where they should be, and makes the guys around him so much better. Running backs don't do that nearly as much and in some cases not at all. Ask GSU fans, UNH fans, or anybody else who played heinicke how crazy he is. Listen to opposing coaches talk about him pre and post game. I know heinicke wasn't on your preseason Payton watch list.

BTW, I know wests numbers are Not great this season. I was just throwing out that there are more physically dominating backs.

Rogers is not because he doesn't have the numbers. When I project this stuff and post who my #1 guy would be I take into account level of competition, size, athletic measurables, stats, coach and scout feedback, my own film evals, etc. If a player is the best but simply doesn't have the #s to compete for it I leave them off.

The only reason BW Webb is on my list is because he's been All-CAA for three years and is a clear cut NFL player. If he were new to the league this year he would be left off because his stats certainly don't merit consideration compared to the others.

I think Godbolt of TSU is underrated. He's going to be a NFL guy and the fact he is already showing that ability as a sophomore just goes to show that he will likely be like BW Webb and not be tested enough as a senior to put up the numbers but should still be on there if he keeps it up because he will have the reputation.

[Canyoncat]

He won’t get it, but would like to put a plug in for Caleb Schreibeis, SR DE Montana State. In 9 games (suspended one game) he has 11 Sacks, 13 TLF and 7 Forced Fumbles. I hope he at least gets the defensive MVP this year for the Big Sky Conference.

[Mr. C]

Kimbrough has had a heck of a year for App but the defense overall has been rather porous so I'm not sure how that would affect his candidacy.

Did you not see how bad the UNH defense was last year with Evans winning? He routinely was making a lot of tackles 20 yards upfield.

[KATS_21]

Flanders will certainly have a shot. I have him as a free agent on my 2014 board for now but he has a year to develop and could certainly find himself on the draft board.

Pretty impressive what Flanders has done so far. After last year's Montana game, I think everyone thought he had a shot at coming out his Jr. year. Its interesting that you see him as a free agent, not saying its right or wrong only time will tell.

[dgreco]

Jordan Brown of Bryant fell off, but Jordan Harris as a Jr. might get some consideration (and should get consideration as a Sr.)

16 Jordan Harris Jr WR 9 games 53 catch 1064 yards 118.2 avpg 20.1 avpc 13 td 1 pass attempt, 1 comp. 18 yds, 1 TD

[Saint3333]

For what it's worth, Steven Miller has more all-purpose yards and just as many touchdowns, albeit in one more game.

222 carries, 1307 yards, 5.9 YPC, 11 TD
29 receptions, 367 yards, 4 TD

Unless EB has a big day against South Carolina, their stats will be virtually even. Miller was just an unknown commodity entering the year, doesn't have the same body of work over his career.

He should at least be on the listing. Great year Miller.

[BEAR]

Pretty impressive what Flanders has done so far. After last year's Montana game, I think everyone thought he had a shot at coming out his Jr. year. Its interesting that you see him as a free agent, not saying its right or wrong only time will tell.

I think Flanders will have more than a shot IMO. But then I think so will Jessie Grandy but he'll won't make this list..former SEC WR now lighting up his SLC competition like they are standing still. Go Grandy.and Flanders!

[Samalum'10]

Flanders will certainly have a shot. I have him as a free agent on my 2014 board for now but he has a year to develop and could certainly find himself on the draft board.
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but what's keeping him from getting drafted?

[ElonPride]

Mellette wins it :)

One of the only things Elon can brag about this year, will be putting this young chap in the NFL

Receiving - 1220 yds, 17 TDS

[lionsrking2]

I think Flanders will have more than a shot IMO. But then I think so will Jessie Grandy but he'll won't make this list..former SEC WR now lighting up his SLC competition like they are standing still. Go Grandy.and Flanders!

Grandy is the biggest offensive difference maker in the SLC ... take him off their team and they're pretty average. Flanders is very good but anybody could gain yards in Sam's offensive scheme.

[AaronRodgersJewBeard]

He won’t get it, but would like to put a plug in for Caleb Schreibeis, SR DE Montana State. In 9 games (suspended one game) he has 11 Sacks, 13 TLF and 7 Forced Fumbles. I hope he at least gets the defensive MVP this year for the Big Sky Conference.

I'm obviously a little bit of a homer, but 7 forced fumbles is pretty nuts. Seems like some sites have him at 10 and some sites have him at 11 sacks. Would be nice to know which one is accurate.

[BigHouseClosedEnd]

I admit I haven't seen all these guys play but I have a hard time believing there's anyone better than Taylor Heinicke. Incredible player.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Don't mean to hijack the thread, but what's keeping him from getting drafted?

I think he's a very good back but I'm not sure he is a blazing fast enough guy to get drafted. I have him as a 4.6 guy and he does need to get stronger. Would also like to see him block more. I have not seen a game in the last 5-6 weeks though so I could totally change some of what I said here after I watch more tape on him soon.

I always remember the scheme he plays in as well as it's one that a lot of RBs that aren't draftable will pick up a lot of yards in.

[UNH72Plus]

Heinicke gets my vote. He has all the tools and can beat you with his arm and his legs. I watched him dissect an admittedly weak UNH defense for 730 passing yards and 61 rushing yards. He has 635 yards more total offense than his closest competitor. The one black mark on his record is the 12 ints.

Evans is having a good year, but certainly not up to last years performance. Does the fact that he won the Buchanan last year help him or hurt him this year?

[smallcollegefbfan]

Pretty impressive what Flanders has done so far. After last year's Montana game, I think everyone thought he had a shot at coming out his Jr. year. Its interesting that you see him as a free agent, not saying its right or wrong only time will tell.

I have talked with NFL teams about him and they agree with me that he is more of a PFA or very late round pick. He does not need to even put in paperwork to test the waters.

There are only 2 FCS players right now that I think might get a 5th round or better grade if they put in paperwork to the NFL Advisory Committee right now. Those two would be Da'Rick Rogers (he already declared) and EWU WR Brandon Kaufman. Although, I think Kaufman is probably a 4.60 type guy so closer to 5th round than the 2nd-3rd round projections media are giving him.

Had Jordan Tripp of Montana put together big time games every week and not had the injury flags from his past I think he could go 3rd round due to his measurables, athletic ability, and tackling.

Marcus Williams is going to get pretty solid projections next year but CBs need to show they can fly before they go high in the draft. Zach Bauman is a good one but he doesn't show enough as a blocker and receiver to be more than a mid rounder right now. IMO, FCS players should only declare if they have to or are told by NFL teams they could go in the top 100.