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CSN-info
October 11th, 2012, 01:05 AM
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The Gridiron Power Index (GPI), the index ranking for the NCAA Division I FCS and a top indicator of at-large playoff selection debuts for the 2012-13 season with unbeaten and defending national champion North Dakota State in the top spot.

The Missouri Valley Football Conference has six teams in the top 25; the Big Sky and Southern Conferences have four teams each; the Colonial Athletic Association and Southland Conference have three each; the Ohio Valley Conference has two; Northeast and Big South Conferences plus the Ivy League each have one. (Games through 10/8/12)

For conference average rankings, the Missouri Valley Football Conference has a clear lead with the Southern and Big Sky Conferences knotted close behind. Also the Colonial Athletic Association plus the Southland and Ohio Valley Conferences are hovering tightly within reach.

The Final 2012 GPI will be released once all the college football games have been played, in January 2013. The GPI is an exclusive property of College Sporting News, maintained since 2001 and has been used officially by the NCAA since 2008 for selecting specific Division I Football National Championship tournament participants.

10/09/2012 GPI Top 25
Rank, School, Rating
1. N Dakota St (1.00)
2. Montana St (5.00)
3. E Washington (5.43)
4. Old Dominion (6.00)
5. Cal Poly (6.57)
6. Youngstown St (7.29)
7. Ga Southern (7.43)
8T. James Madison (9.14)
8T. Wofford (9.14)
10. Harvard (11.86)
11. Northern Arizona (13.00)
12. S Dakota St (15.00)
13. Sam Houston St (16.00)
14. Appalachian St (16.57)
15. Stony Brook (17.00)
16. Illinois St (17.71)
17. Cent Arkansas (18.86)
18. Tennessee St (19.14)
19. McNeese St (19.71)
20. Northern Iowa (20.14)
21. Albany (20.57)
22. New Hampshire (20.71)
23. E Kentucky (21.57)
24. Samford (21.71)
25. Indiana St (22.86)

Conference Ranking:
Rank, League, Total Average
1. Missouri Valley Football Conference (25.34)
2. Southern Conference (30.00)
3. Big Sky Conference (33.18)
4. Colonial Athletic Association (37.01)
5. Southland Conference (38.77)
6. Ohio Valley Conference (42.00)
7. Ivy League (53.50)
8. Patriot League (57.63)
9. Big South Conference (63.86)
10. Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference (65.61)
11. Northeast Conference (66.83)
12. Southwestern Athletic Conference (75.96)
13. Pioneer Football League (76.77)

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danefan
October 11th, 2012, 07:10 AM
The GPI is an exclusive property of College Sporting News, maintained since 2001 and has been used officially by the NCAA since 2008 for selecting specific Division I Football National Championship tournament participants.


Oversell of the century again.

Are we going to do this all year long again?

It has never been used to select any team. in years past a modified version of this GPI has been one of three pieces of the Bridge AQ criteria used to determine whether a team from a conference that qualifies for and applied for an AQ but wasn't awarded one should receive an at large bid. That only applies to the PFL now and no PFL team has ever gotten the 8 DI wins with two OOC against AQ conferences. The third factor in the Bridge AQ would have been an average ranking of 16 or higher in the TSN, Coaches and modified computer only GPI.

This version of the GPI hasn't been used for anything else by anyone else.

Carry on.

Professor Chaos
October 11th, 2012, 09:34 AM
Oversell of the century again.

Are we going to do this all year long again?

It has never been used to select any team. in years past a modified version of this GPI has been one of three pieces of the Bridge AQ criteria used to determine whether a team from a conference that qualifies for and applied for an AQ but wasn't awarded one should receive an at large bid. That only applies to the PFL now and no PFL team has ever gotten the 8 DI wins with two OOC against AQ conferences. The third factor in the Bridge AQ would have been an average ranking of 16 or higher in the TSN, Coaches and modified computer only GPI.

This version of the GPI hasn't been used for anything else by anyone else.

Carry on.

Hello, DaneFan. We appreciate your feedback. Thank you for your interest in CSN's GPI.

bluehenbillk
October 11th, 2012, 09:54 AM
Same analysis I've given every other "poll":

Too High: Harvard (#10??, seriously? wow), UNI (1-4, but #20, do they need 6 losses to exit this? cmon man)

Too Low: Wofford (undefeated in polls "top 2 league" but tied for 8th?). UNH & Lehigh (interesting they're too high in every other poll by this one probably goes too far at #27).

As far as the committee using this, well they meet over a full weekend, they will use the bathroom, what else should they wipe with?

Still the item(s) that have consistently outperformed this endangered & fault-ridden abomination are the AGS & CS.com polls.

Dane96
October 11th, 2012, 09:57 AM
I thought this thing DIED.

I also thought the NCAA officially stated this was not used by the committee.

All you have to do is look at Harvard...at 10. I have seen Harvard live, and no...they are not a Top 10...let alone a Top 20 team. Honest to goodness.


.....yawn.

tingly
October 11th, 2012, 10:48 AM
There is an interview with last year's committee chair (http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/11/16/in-fcs-huddle-committee-agonizes-over-final-picks/) who said, "We look at everything that's available to us. We look at the polls, we look at the rankings, the ratings, whatever might be available to us." (limited to BCS-style computer ratings?)

Then there was the John McCutcheon interview in last year's thread where he said the committee doesn't use those things in their decisions.

The only way I can marry the 2 is that they do use anything, but only to catch a mistake. They wouldn't say, "Our #5 seed NDSU should be #1 because all the computers say so." But they could say, "All the computers have NDSU at #1 and we have them at #5. We should pour over NDSU's schedule again."

CSN-info
October 11th, 2012, 12:36 PM
I thought this thing DIED.
I also thought the NCAA officially stated this was not used by the committee.While the GPI does include biased polls which skew the ratings, the mix of good computer ratings offset the imbalance to produce a top indicator of postseason selection. Maybe Albany will finally get their first playoff win this year? By no means has "this thing died." Compared to other national rankings over time (no offense to fan messageboards, after all CSN created AGS) there has been no other that has outperformed the GPI. And as the following shows it is officially used by the NCAA committee for selecting specific Division I Football National Championship tournament participants despite what uninformed posters here might say:
16999

CSN-info
October 11th, 2012, 12:45 PM
This version of the GPI hasn't been used for anything else by anyone else.

That is patently incorrect. Besides being used by the NCAA Championship Committee and reported nationally, here is an example of how it is used by others:

Missouri Valley Football - Tiebreaker
In the event of a tie for the MVFC Championship, the following procedures will be used to break all ties to determine the league’s NCAA tournament representative:

TWO TEAMS ARE TIED
1. In there is a two-team tie following the round-robin results and the two tied teams played each other, the winner of the game will be declared champion.
2. If the tied teams did not play each other, then each team’s record against all common opponents in the league will be used to determine the automatic bid.
3. If the teams are still tied, then each team’s record against the next highest common opponent in the league standings will be used to determine the automatic bid.
4. If the teams are still tied, the latest available GPI ranking prior to NCAA selection shall be used as the final tiebreaker.

(Note: The Missouri Valley Football Conference is the highest ranked conference in this year's first installation of the GPI.)

danefan
October 11th, 2012, 01:16 PM
That is patently incorrect. Besides being used by the NCAA Championship Committee and reported nationally, here is an example of how it is used by others:

Missouri Valley Football - Tiebreaker
In the event of a tie for the MVFC Championship, the following procedures will be used to break all ties to determine the league’s NCAA tournament representative:

TWO TEAMS ARE TIED
1. In there is a two-team tie following the round-robin results and the two tied teams played each other, the winner of the game will be declared champion.
2. If the tied teams did not play each other, then each team’s record against all common opponents in the league will be used to determine the automatic bid.
3. If the teams are still tied, then each team’s record against the next highest common opponent in the league standings will be used to determine the automatic bid.
4. If the teams are still tied, the latest available GPI ranking prior to NCAA selection shall be used as the final tiebreaker.

(Note: The Missouri Valley Football Conference is the highest ranked conference in this year's first installation of the GPI.)

Has it been used? Or is it just a possible use?

Where has the committee ever said it used it?

Vitojr130
October 11th, 2012, 01:19 PM
That is patently incorrect. Besides being used by the NCAA Championship Committee and reported nationally, here is an example of how it is used by others:

Missouri Valley Football - Tiebreaker
In the event of a tie for the MVFC Championship, the following procedures will be used to break all ties to determine the league’s NCAA tournament representative:

TWO TEAMS ARE TIED
1. In there is a two-team tie following the round-robin results and the two tied teams played each other, the winner of the game will be declared champion.
2. If the tied teams did not play each other, then each team’s record against all common opponents in the league will be used to determine the automatic bid.
3. If the teams are still tied, then each team’s record against the next highest common opponent in the league standings will be used to determine the automatic bid.
4. If the teams are still tied, the latest available GPI ranking prior to NCAA selection shall be used as the final tiebreaker.

(Note: The Missouri Valley Football Conference is the highest ranked conference in this year's first installation of the GPI.)

Very nice! High-five!
17001

tingly
October 11th, 2012, 02:01 PM
And as the following shows it is officially used by the NCAA committee for selecting specific Division I Football National Championship tournament participants despite what uninformed posters here might say:
16999 and we're still uninformed. If CSN supplies the committee with the pared down GPI, then nothing above shows that they they have the full GPI of post #1 in the room. If CSN doesn't supply the pared down GPI, then the committee has the full GPI at their disposal.

Dane96
October 11th, 2012, 02:13 PM
While the GPI does include biased polls which skew the ratings, the mix of good computer ratings offset the imbalance to produce a top indicator of postseason selection. Maybe Albany will finally get their first playoff win this year? By no means has "this thing died." Compared to other national rankings over time (no offense to fan messageboards, after all CSN created AGS) there has been no other that has outperformed the GPI. And as the following shows it is officially used by the NCAA committee for selecting specific Division I Football National Championship tournament participants despite what uninformed posters here might say:
16999

Typical. How, praytell, does the fact that GPI is a hogwash of nonsense that is CATEGORICALLY NOT USED as a playoff selection tool have anything to do with Albany winning a playoff game.

Carry-on.

danefan
October 11th, 2012, 02:38 PM
Keep moving Ralph. You've made yourself irrelevant in the world of FCS football.

Congrats!

Dane96
October 11th, 2012, 02:51 PM
Oh wow...I didn't even see the part where he says CSN created AGS.

No, Ralph, you built a platform; it is the fans, family and probably players/coaches who truly CREATED the board. The content is what makes the board.

For that, a thanks goes out, otherwise...keep the propoganda elsewhere. The GPI is as powerful a tool to the NCAA as is a letter from a constituent to a Member of Congress; a tool...but has to be utilized.

clenz
October 11th, 2012, 02:58 PM
Dear Ralph...


**** off and die...


Signed,
Pretty much AGS user prior to 2010

eaglewraith
October 11th, 2012, 03:20 PM
Just wanting to post in the annual Ralph bashing thread.

Carry on.