Why Floyd why?

[AppGuy04]

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/tdf2006/news/story?id=2531225

Tour de France champion Floyd Landis tested positive for high levels of testosterone during the race, his Phonak team said Thursday on its Web site.

The statement came a day after cycling's world governing body said an unidentified rider had failed a drug test during the Tour.

[goasu984Life]

USA!
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[FUwolfpacker]

Hopefully the B sample will be clean, or maybe it was just the shots he was receiving for his arthritic hip. If true, this will make the French quite happy. They couldn't get Armstrong, but at least they'll be able to rag this guy.

Sigh....and it was such a good story too: smh : .

[bodoyle]

I heard this early this morning....what a moron.

:nonono2: :mad: xidiotx :bang: :nonono2: :mad: xidiotx :bang: :nonono2: :mad: xidiotx :bang: :nonono2: :mad: xidiotx :bang:

[89Hen]

Floyd Landis tested positive for high levels of testosterone during the race
Of course he did, he rode like a stud, the testosterone had to be flowing naturally!

[goasu984Life]

They are going to test his "B" sample, kind of like an appeals process, I guess.

[UNHWildCats]

basically the B sample will also test positive as its the other half of the sam,e sample taken and split. However Landis has already said he will appeal the positive test and someone on ESPNNews this morning said everytime someone has appealed a positive test they have won. soo stay tuned.

[goasu984Life]

Why do I feel a sense of pride seeing that the American Tour de France winner was caught cheating? It is like a football coach told me once. If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying!

[UNHWildCats]

when the news broke yesterday about someone failing a test I knew it was Landis dunno why but I just knew it.

[AppGuy04]

when the news broke yesterday about someone failing a test I knew it was Landis dunno why but I just knew it.

b/c they didn't get Lance, so now they wanna scapegoat Floyd

[walliver]

According to ESPN, his testoterone level was actually low. Unfortunately his epitestostorone/testosterone ratio was out of balance. This ratio seems to be the way they determine whether a high testosterone level is due to drugs or just overactive testicles. He may have used testoterone in the past, but did not have a high level during the Tour de France.

[TexasTerror]

I'm very interested to see what comes of this...

Landis has had his reputation ruined regardless of the outcome. It will be a shame if Landis and/or Phonak have to feel reprucissions in any regards (losing placements, $$$ fines, etc) due to all of this and let's hope the truth emerges one way or another, none of this going in circles that we've seen in the Bonds case...

[ngineer]

Landis absolutely denied an wrongdoing tonight as reported on the radio. I hope the 'B' sample is okay, plus there can be other explanations so we'll have to stay tuned....

[UNHWildCats]

aything short of corruption at the lab in France, with the hatred of America thats not out of the question. Sample B will test the same as Sample A since they both came from the same cup of piss. lol. they just dumped half in one and half in another

[Tod]

aything short of corruption at the lab in France, with the hatred of America thats not out of the question. Sample B will test the same as Sample A since they both came from the same cup of piss. lol. they just dumped half in one and half in another

Unless somebody contaminated A after they were separated.

Nah!

[Tod]

when the news broke yesterday about someone failing a test I knew it was Landis dunno why but I just knew it.

It probably wouldn't have been very newsworthy if it had been anybody else.

[AppGuy04]

Sucks for Floyd if he is innocent

[UNHWildCats]

Sucks for Floyd if he is innocent

I agree nothing should have been said til after it was all settled

[Chi Panther]

Cycling has to be the worst sport for performance enhancing drug corruption.....

I actually think they are all cheating....but its part of the sport.

Whats sad to me........is they would probably have to fall to about 50th place before they actually find someone who really hasn't doped in the past 12 months.

If Ivan Baso and Jan Ullrich were both caught and they are the 2 most talented active riders.....like it or not......EVERYONE is doping.

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

[chattanoogamocs]

Cycling has to be the worst sport for performance enhancing drug corruption.....

I actually think they are all cheating....but its part of the sport.

Whats sad to me........is they would probably have to fall to about 50th place before they actually find someone who really hasn't doped in the past 12 months.

If Ivan Baso and Jan Ullrich were both caught and they are the 2 most talented active riders.....like it or not......EVERYONE is doping.

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

Well, I don't agree that "everyone is doping"...and I also think it is naive to say that cycling is the worst for performance enhancement...many other sports are probably just as bad, but, many turn a blind eye (or have had a wink, wink, nudge, nudge system in place in the past...cough NFL, MLB)...cycling is the most tested group in the world (do they test the winners of a football game 5 minutes after the game? ...every stage winner and every yellow jersey winner + other randonms are tested every day of the Tour) so it makes sense that more get caught...or at least get accused.

What makes me frustrated is cycling is also the worst "guitly until proven innocent" sport in the world...and I have little faith left in the doping control agencies (who when they do screw up...it is in their best interest to cover up their own mistakes...that sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it has some real foundations that make me very leery)

What makes this sample of Floyd's so odd is that all his other samples throughtout the race (he was test on more than one occasion) all came back fine...testosterone is one of the easiest to detect (also the easiest to screw up)...he knew he would be tested the minute he got off his bike after riding the stage...why in the world would he do it when he knew he would get caught?

Tour de France champion Floyd Landis tested positive for high levels of testosterone, but experts tell WebMD that there could be many reasons why.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,206001,00.html

[bluehenbillk]

It doesn't shock me, I found it intereresting that a Mennonite would be such a good cyclist.

[AppGuy04]

It doesn't shock me, I found it intereresting that a Mennonite would be such a good cyclist.
why is that shocking, he started riding as a kid, hell, didn't you see the video of his parents riding their bikes to and from church, the store, etc

[SeattleGriz]

Cycling has to be the worst sport for performance enhancing drug corruption.....

I actually think they are all cheating....but its part of the sport.

Whats sad to me........is they would probably have to fall to about 50th place before they actually find someone who really hasn't doped in the past 12 months.

If Ivan Baso and Jan Ullrich were both caught and they are the 2 most talented active riders.....like it or not......EVERYONE is doping.

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

I think you are correct Chi Panther.

I do feel that if you were to get everyone clean, the results would most likely be the same - the performance enhancers just push the level of competition through the roof.

They can take drugs and not worry about testing positive because the drugs are SO far ahead of the testing. I actually am quite suprised that Landis tested positive. I feel it was because of something his "drug coach" didn't anticipate.

Look at all the expulsions before the Tour - did any of them test positive? No, they were caught because the whole doping ring was uncovered and they were linked to it.

The question about drugs I always ask is this, "Who would you rather see out there? Someone performing unbelievable feats, or someone you think you could beat if you competed"? I want to see guys get their legs ripped off in the Tour.

[bluehenbillk]

why is that shocking, he started riding as a kid, hell, didn't you see the video of his parents riding their bikes to and from church, the store, etc

C'mon, those photos are staged. I live in Amish country, they don't ride bikes, they use scooters.

[AppGuy04]

C'mon, those photos are staged. I live in Amish country, they don't ride bikes, they use scooters.

news to me, but if thats true, then i would agree

[goasu984Life]

Well, Landis just had a press conference to say that he is innocent. We shall see.

[bluehenbillk]

What's he gonna do? Hopefully not pull the Rafael Palmiero finger pointing to Congress routine. At least he remembered how to speak English (aka Sammy Sosa).

[goasu984Life]

I'm gonna wait until the B sample test comes back. Maybe he is telling the truth.

[Cocky]

Well, Landis just had a press conference to say that he is innocent. We shall see.


He and Barry Bonds should get the same lawyer.

[Tod]

Here's a good take on the issue from MSNBC.com.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14068756/

[SeattleGriz]

Just wanted to add this to help put some more perspective on the testing.

Does anyone remember Tyler Hamilton? He was the US cyclist who won the Gold in the Olympics only to test positive for blood doping. Well, if anyone remembers, the drug testing group froze his B blood sample. For those of you who don't know, freezing completely wrecks blood, therefore they could test his B sample and had to let him keep his medal.

Basically, what I am saying is that crap happens.

Once again, I really feel that Floyd tested positive only by some unforeseen circumstance, people who dope are light years ahead of the testing. He will be proven innocent, even if he was taking enhancers.

[Tod]

Just wanted to add this to help put some more perspective on the testing.

Does anyone remember Tyler Hamilton? He was the US cyclist who won the Gold in the Olympics only to test positive for blood doping. Well, if anyone remembers, the drug testing group froze his B blood sample. For those of you who don't know, freezing completely wrecks blood, therefore they could test his B sample and had to let him keep his medal.

Basically, what I am saying is that crap happens.

Once again, I really feel that Floyd tested positive only by some unforeseen circumstance, people who dope are light years ahead of the testing. He will be proven innocent, even if he was taking enhancers.

The link I posted above talks about testosterone in particular, how it's not that great for performance enhancement (well, I can think of one way it would be), and how it takes a long time for it to work (so why did he not test positive until the 17th stage?).

[dirtbag]

Maybe I'm just stupid but... If his high testosterone level is normal for him, why has he not tested positive for high testosterone levels before the stage where he totally kicked butt?

[SeattleGriz]

The link I posted above talks about testosterone in particular, how it's not that great for performance enhancement (well, I can think of one way it would be), and how it takes a long time for it to work (so why did he not test positive until the 17th stage?).

Because Le Tour only tests something like the top 2 finishers per stage, and then a couple of random.

So, if you were dirty and didn't want to automatically get tested, you would want to finish 3rd or worse in every stage.

[Tod]

Because Le Tour only tests something like the top 2 finishers per stage, and then a couple of random.

So, if you were dirty and didn't want to automatically get tested, you would want to finish 3rd or worse in every stage.

Oh. I didn't know that. Very interesting, and somewhat silly, but I guess that would explain it.

BTW, I'm not just blindly saying the guy is innocent, I'm just having conversation. He may very well be guilty.

:( :( :(

Edit - I just looked it up, and Landis finished:

Stage 7 - 2nd
Stage 11 - 3rd
Stage 15 - 4th
Stage 17 - 1st (Yeah, I know, this is the one we're talking about)
Stage 19 - 3rd

I'd like to know what the results of any other tests were.

[SeattleGriz]

Oh. I didn't know that. Very interesting, and somewhat silly, but I guess that would explain it.

BTW, I'm not just blindly saying the guy is innocent, I'm just having conversation. He may very well be guilty.

:( :( :(

Edit - I just looked it up, and Landis finished:

Stage 7 - 2nd
Stage 11 - 3rd
Stage 15 - 4th
Stage 17 - 1st (Yeah, I know, this is the one we're talking about)
Stage 19 - 3rd

I'd like to know what the results of any other tests were.

Interesting isn't it? How can a guy test positive 11-12 days later? See what I mean about it being some abnormality in the testing? I firmly believe Floyd is smart enough to not test positive if guilty. Something funny going on.

[chattanoogamocs]

typical Floyd...kind quiet about it one day (probably a product of his upbringing)...then say "wait a minute" and BAM, comes out fighting the next day.

(just like stage 16 / 17...one day you think he is done, the next he is in charge)

Until proven otherwise, I believe in Floyd and I am glad that he is now fighting back.

While I support all American cyclists, I always thought Armstrong was arrogant, Hamilton a bit whiny, Levi too...and Hincapie never really has had the fight to win the Tour...

But Floyd is "everyman"...bit of a rebellious childhood, rode his bike even though his parents disapproved, won his first race wearing warm-ups ('cause his parents said he couldn't wear shorts), works hard, doesn't care about the spotlight and hollywood and rock stars, has a bum hip but never complains about it, drinks a beer and a bit of whiskey...during the fricking Tour!!!!

That is the kind of guy I want to cheer for, someone like me :thumbsup:

[Tod]

Interesting isn't it? How can a guy test positive 11-12 days later? See what I mean about it being some abnormality in the testing? I firmly believe Floyd is smart enough to not test positive if guilty. Something funny going on.

Most important, I think, is that from what the guy on MSNBC said, testosterone is a long term thing, not something you can just take a hit of and kick ass the next day.

We shall see. :confused:

[chattanoogamocs]

"I think everybody needs to take a step back and look at what we're talking about. Because testosterone is a bodybuilding steroid that builds mass," Kay said. "It builds mass over long-term use of weeks, months, and even years.

"And it's crazy to think that a Tour de France professional cyclist would be using testosterone, particularly in the middle of a race. It's a joke. Every sports medicine expert, physician, trainer, scientist that I've talked to in the last day, have really the same opinion, 'No way. This is a joke."'

--Dr. Brent Kay, on CNN's Larry King Live

[BigApp]

what I can't figger out is why these guys (the French) would inform everyone that he was guilty, but aren't 100% sure, and hence the 2nd test...

Unless.........the intent........is to soil...........an American's........victory

[Tod]

what I can't figger out is why these guys (the French) would inform everyone that he was guilty, but aren't 100% sure, and hence the 2nd test...

Unless.........the intent........is to soil...........an American's........victory

I hope you're wrong. :( :( :(

[blukeys]

C'mon, those photos are staged. I live in Amish country, they don't ride bikes, they use scooters.


I asked some Amish today while buying some tomatoes about this issue. Their comment about it is that there are some varieties of Mennonites which might allow bicycle riding but most wouldn't allow it. Like Bluehenbillk I see the Amish on scooters and for the 11 year old to 15 year old crowd I see a lot of roller blading.

[TexasTerror]

It's not getting any better for Floyd...

Cycling official: Landis had synthetic testosterone

By JULIET MACUR
New York Times

Tests performed on Floyd Landis' initial urine sample showed that some of the testosterone in his body came from an external source, and was not naturally produced by his own system, according to a person at the International Cycling Union with knowledge of the results.

That finding contradicts what Landis has claimed in his defense since the disclosure last week that he tested positive for an elevated ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone after his decisive performance in Stage 17 of the Tour de France. Landis won that stage in the Alps and improbably climbed to third place overall after he had struggled and plunged to 11th place the day before. He went on to claim the Tour title.

During a news conference in Madrid, Spain, on Friday, Landis said testosterone levels throughout his career were "natural and produced by my own organism."

But the French national anti-doping laboratory in Chatenay-Malabry performed a carbon isotope ratio test on the first of Landis' two urine samples provided after Stage 17 of the Tour, said the person, who works in UCI's anti-doping department. That test was done after Landis' ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone was found to be more than twice that allowed under World Anti-Doping Agency rules, the person said. The rules limit the ratio to 4-to-1. The normal range is between 1-to-1 and 2-to-1.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4085412.html

[bluehenbillk]

Looks like he's toast...cheater. I guess the next time we see him he'll be golfing with Rafael Palmiero & O.J.

[AppGuy04]

Those Menonites!

[AppGuy04]

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2539409

5am ET Saturday is Judgement Day

[*****]

he's being framed...

[ngineer]

I asked some Amish today while buying some tomatoes about this issue. Their comment about it is that there are some varieties of Mennonites which might allow bicycle riding but most wouldn't allow it. Like Bluehenbillk I see the Amish on scooters and for the 11 year old to 15 year old crowd I see a lot of roller blading.

I went to secondary school with Menonites. They are much more modern than the Amish. Menonites drive cars and use all sorts of appliances. The Amish is a much more strict sect.