Baseball Record Never to be Broken

[ngineer]

Saw in the paper today, that on this day in 1930, the Philadelphia Athletics successfully pulled off a triple steal in both the first and fouth innings. Hasn't been accomplished since.:rotateh:

[Ronbo]

Let's talk about a record that really never will be broken. That double triple steal in one game is a good one but could be matched. It's not beyond belief that someone could do it again.

This will never be matched or broken.

Cy Young won 511 games in 22 years. That's 23.2 wins a season for 22 years! That will never be broken. This is by far the most unattainable baseball record.

[AppGuy04]

Let's talk about a record that really never will be broken. That double triple steal in one game is a good one but could be matched. It's not beyond belief that someone could do it again.

This will never be matched or broken.

Cy Young won 511 games in 22 years. That's 23.2 wins a season for 22 years! That will never be broken. This is by far the most unattainable baseball record.

Maybe not the average wins per year, but the total could be challenged one day

[blueballs]

Johnny Van Der Meer threw back to back 9 inning no hitters. That one will surely never be broken.

I would doubt Rickey Henderson's career stolen base record will ever be challenged.

Off the top of my head I don't know who holds the record for innings pitched in a season but I can assure you it won't be broken either.

I could name a few more but I don't want to hijack the thread...

[Gil Dobie]

61 Home Runs in a season by a non-performance enhanced player.

[GeauxColonels]

Maybe not the average wins per year, but the total could be challenged one day
I'm not so sure of that. I mean back when Cy Young played, there weren't pitching rotations like there are today. Pitchers don't pitch in enough games per year to reach those kind of win totals. Also, when they get up in years, teams tend to start using them less to give the arms more time to recover...plus they put some on pitchcounts and they're pulled before the outcome of the game is decided, so they get no credit for a win or loss.

[AppGuy04]

I'm not so sure of that. I mean back when Cy Young played, there weren't pitching rotations like there are today. Pitchers don't pitch in enough games per year to reach those kind of win totals. Also, when they get up in years, teams tend to start using them less to give the arms more time to recover...plus they put some on pitchcounts and they're pulled before the outcome of the game is decided, so they get no credit for a win or loss.

Yeah, it would take alot of luck, ie not getting no decisions

[Marcus Garvey]

I'm not so sure of that. I mean back when Cy Young played, there weren't pitching rotations like there are today. Pitchers don't pitch in enough games per year to reach those kind of win totals. Also, when they get up in years, teams tend to start using them less to give the arms more time to recover...plus they put some on pitchcounts and they're pulled before the outcome of the game is decided, so they get no credit for a win or loss.

Also, Cy Young pitched in the dead ball era. Also, not only was it okay to "deface" a baseball, it was customary. The pitcher usually "broke" in the baseball before the game. By deforming it, a pitcher could put a lot of movement on it. Throwing hard and fast wasn't as important back then. An arm could go a lot longer.

[89Hen]

Saw in the paper today, that on this day in 1930, the Philadelphia Athletics successfully pulled off a triple steal in both the first and fouth innings. Hasn't been accomplished since.:rotateh:
Not to nitpick, but that's more of a feat than a record, no? You want a record that won't be broken, gotta be Cal Ripken's. It's not that somebody couldn't, but who would want to?

[Marcus Garvey]

Not to nitpick, but that's more of a feat than a record, no? You want a record that won't be broken, gotta be Cal Ripken's. It's not that somebody couldn't, but who would want to?

I'm going to disagree because 20 years ago, EVERYBODY said the same thing about Lou Gehrig's record, which Cal eventually broke.

[OL FU]

61 Home Runs in a season by a non-performance enhanced player.

IS that because we will never see another non-performance enhanced player?

[89Hen]

I'm going to disagree because 20 years ago, EVERYBODY said the same thing about Lou Gehrig's record, which Cal eventually broke.
1. Cal Ripken 2632
2. Lou Gehrig 2130
3. Everett Scott 1307

It will never be broken. Miguel Tejada who has the longest active streak is actually #7 all-time with a little over 1000. He would need to not miss a game between now and 2016.

[Engineer91]

Not to nitpick, but that's more of a feat than a record, no? You want a record that won't be broken, gotta be Cal Ripken's. It's not that somebody couldn't, but who would want to?

Also a feat, but it will never be replicated ... due to rule changes. Stealing 1st base.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

Also a feat, but it will never be replicated ... due to rule changes. Stealing 1st base.

How do you steal first base? Are you saying that it used to be considered a stolen base when the batter reached first following a dropped third strike?

[Tod]

Also a feat, but it will never be replicated ... due to rule changes. Stealing 1st base.

Wouldn't it be stealing 2nd, 3rd and Home?

[AppGuy04]

Wouldn't it be stealing 2nd, 3rd and Home?

Only way I can think of, bases would have to be loaded

[Marcus Garvey]

1. Cal Ripken 2632
2. Lou Gehrig 2130
3. Everett Scott 1307

It will never be broken. Miguel Tejada who has the longest active streak is actually #7 all-time with a little over 1000. He would need to not miss a game between now and 2016.

I repeat:
I'm going to disagree because 20 years ago, EVERYBODY said the same thing about Lou Gehrig's record, which Cal eventually broke.
:)

[89Hen]

Fortunately, neither of us will be alive to see it happen if it is broken, so we will both die thinking I was correct. :p

BTW, would you agree that it is the most unattainable then? Name another record where #3 is less than 50% of the way there.

[SiouxFallsJack]

The 749 complete games pitched by Cy Young will never be broken. Clemens and Maddux are the only active pitchers with more than 100.

[BigApp]

Cy Young won 511 games in 22 years. That's 23.2 wins a season for 22 years! That will never be broken. This is by far the most unattainable baseball record.

If Clemens played the last few years on a team that could score, he'd be my guess to approach it. Even still, Rocket's the best ever, IMHO:nod: :nod:

[AZGrizFan]

Maybe not the average wins per year, but the total could be challenged one day

Sorry, but no. Not in this day of 5 pitcher rotations and big money short careers.

[blackfordpu]

Sports Illustrated article about reocrds that most likely will not be broken.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/pete_mcentegart/07/21/ten.spot/index.html

[BigApp]

It used to be that if a runner was on 1st, and advanced to 3rd on a single, he was credited with a stolen base.

[ngineer]

Let's talk about a record that really never will be broken. That double triple steal in one game is a good one but could be matched. It's not beyond belief that someone could do it again.

This will never be matched or broken.

Cy Young won 511 games in 22 years. That's 23.2 wins a season for 22 years! That will never be broken. This is by far the most unattainable baseball record.

I'm not saying it's the only record not to be broken, but with the way the game is played today, what manager is going to send all three baserunners at once? He'd be crucified in the press if not pilloried in the street...:read:

[Tod]

I'm not saying it's the only record not to be broken, but with the way the game is played today, what manager is going to send all three baserunners at once? He'd be crucified in the press if not pilloried in the street...:read:

That would depend on whether or not he's successful. ;)

[Gil Dobie]

Ty Cobb's lifetime average of .367, Gwynn has come the closest lately .338

Ty Cobb .367
Rogers Hornsby .358
Joe Jackson .356
..............................
14. T Gwynn .338

[Tod]

I don't know a hell of a lot about baseball (so keep 'em coming), but I read one time that, mathematically, one of the most impressive records is Ted Williams' accomplishment of reaching base safely in 16 consecutive at-bats. I know it may not sound that impressive, but apparently it's a remarkable feat.

[UNHWildCats]

Noway No how will anyone pass Cy Youngs win record.

Cy Young did that in a day when he would start near 50 times a season, today u get about 33 a season assuming u stay healthy.

As for 61, Big Papi may make a run towards it this year.

755 A Rod will surpass that before hes done.

[AZGrizFan]

Noway No how will anyone pass Cy Youngs win record.

Cy Young did that in a day when he would start near 50 times a season, today u get about 33 a season assuming u stay healthy.

As for 61, Big Papi may make a run towards it this year.

755 A Rod will surpass that before hes done.

Agreed on all fronts.

Big Papi hell! How about Howard or Pujols this year?

[Tod]

Agreed on all fronts.

Big Papi hell! How about Howard or Pujols this year?

Again, I don't follow baseball that closely, but it seems like people are always asking these questions around the all-star break.

:twocents:

[SuperJon]

61 Home Runs in a season by a non-performance enhanced player.

His name is Albert Pujols. He missed 19 games this year and is still something like 2nd in homeruns.

[Gil Dobie]

His name is Albert Pujols. He missed 19 games this year and is still something like 2nd in homeruns.

It's possible, but others have had a 30+ HR's by all-star break, and tired or got injured in the second half.

[Engineer91]

How do you steal first base? Are you saying that it used to be considered a stolen base when the batter reached first following a dropped third strike?


The way it went was a guy got on first and then they wanted a hit and run type of play. The batter swung and missed and the guy stole second. On the next pitch he "stole back first". So he went backwards around trhe bases. The next year they ruled that you could not uhhh ... un-advance?? I think this was back in the late 1800's.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

The way it went was a guy got on first and then they wanted a hit and run type of play. The batter swung and missed and the guy stole second. On the next pitch he "stole back first". So he went backwards around trhe bases. The next year they ruled that you could not uhhh ... un-advance?? I think this was back in the late 1800's.

I don't understand, strategically, why you would do that even if legal. What could you possibly gain by going backwards? Maybe they were better sportsman back in those days and wanted to give the opponent a fair chance at a double play ball. :)

[89Hen]

I don't understand, strategically, why you would do that even if legal. What could you possibly gain by going backwards? Maybe they were better sportsman back in those days and wanted to give the opponent a fair chance at a double play ball. :)
I was thinking the same thing. I can't come up with a reason you'd want to. I'm starting to doubt this ever happened in professional baseball... I could see it happening in T-ball. :eyebrow:

[AppGuy04]

Maybe both forwards and backwards counted as a steal

[Engineer91]

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Stolen_base

"The last recorded instance of a player "stealing" first base during a conventional, caught pitch occurred on September 4, 1908. Detroit's Germany Schaefer, in a game against Cleveland, was on second base and his teammate Davy Jones was on third. In an attempt to draw a throw that would permit Jones to safely steal home, Schaefer bolted for first base. Cleveland's catcher didn't fall for the trick and held the ball, allowing Schaefer to "steal" first base. In another instance, after a botched double steal wherein the man on third (Davy Jones again), failed to try for home while Schaefer had reached second safely from first, Schaefer proclaimed that he'd try again, and darted back to first on the next pitch. This tactic of reverse-stealing has since been outlawed."

[89Hen]

"The last recorded instance of a player "stealing" first base during a conventional, caught pitch occurred on September 4, 1908. Detroit's Germany Schaefer, in a game against Cleveland, was on second base and his teammate Davy Jones was on third. In an attempt to draw a throw that would permit Jones to safely steal home, Schaefer bolted for first base. Cleveland's catcher didn't fall for the trick and held the ball, allowing Schaefer to "steal" first base. In another instance, after a botched double steal wherein the man on third (Davy Jones again), failed to try for home while Schaefer had reached second safely from first, Schaefer proclaimed that he'd try again, and darted back to first on the next pitch. This tactic of reverse-stealing has since been outlawed."
And this is why we've never heard of Davy Jones or Germany Schaefer. They're morons. Still, there is no strategy to that. In the first case, why did he have to go all the way to first? If the attempt was to draw the ball to him, stay halfway between the bags until something happens. In the second instance, if they didn't try to throw him out the first time, why would they try the second time. Like I said, morons.

[Gil Dobie]

And this is why we've never heard of Davy Jones or Germany Schaefer. They're morons. Still, there is no strategy to that. In the first case, why did he have to go all the way to first? If the attempt was to draw the ball to him, stay halfway between the bags until something happens. In the second instance, if they didn't try to throw him out the first time, why would they try the second time. Like I said, morons.

I have heard of them. :eyebrow:

[SunCoastBlueHen]

And this is why we've never heard of Davy Jones

A little know fact - after that play his angry teammates through his locker into the sea, hense the expression.

http://www.cheers-becker.de/c_cliff_02.JPG

[89Hen]

A little know fact - after that play his angry teammates through his locker into the sea, hense the expression.

http://www.cheers-becker.de/c_cliff_02.JPG
xlolx :bow:

[UNHWildCats]

Again, I don't follow baseball that closely, but it seems like people are always asking these questions around the all-star break.

:twocents:


Yea Ortiz had 31 at the break and has been a better power hitter in the second half in past years.

[walliver]

And this is why we've never heard of Davy Jones


A little know fact - after that play his angry teammates through his locker into the sea, hense the expression.

Was that before he played with The Monkees?

[ngineer]

Another record came to me today as I left Citizens Bank Park and walked past the statue of Connie Mack---his 3700+ wins as a manager will never be broken. John McGraw is second and about 1,000 behind.....:nod: