AGS Top 25 - Week 3 Poll Results

[AGSPoll]

1 North Dakota State Bison 2918 - 108
2 Sam Houston State Bearkats 2588 - 2
3 Old Dominion Monarchs 2523
4 Youngstown State Penguins 2476 - 3
5 Montana State Bobcats 2330
6 Northern Iowa Panthers 2073
7 Wofford Terriers 1996
8 The Citadel Bulldogs 1924 - 3
9 James Madison Dukes 1880
10 Eastern Washington Eagles 1724
11 Illinois State Redbirds 1594
12 Georgia Southern Eagles 1564
13 Montana Grizzlies 1500
14 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1215
15 Towson Tigers 1203
16 Stony Brook Seawolves 1142
17 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 1062
18 Cal Poly Mustangs 1032
19 Appalachian State Mountaineers 999
20 McNeese State Cowboys 987
21 New Hampshire Wildcats 874
22 Maine Black Bears 688
23 Central Arkansas Bears 520
24 Indiana State Sycamores 457
25 Eastern Kentucky Colonels 190

Most significant win: The Citadel
Most signicant loss: Appalachian State

26 Albany Great Danes 171
27 Sacramento State Hornets 144
28 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 134
29 Samford Bulldogs 110
30 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 91
31 Lafayette Leopards 74
32 Harvard Crimson 68
33 Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks 63
34 South Dakota State Jackrabbits 52
35 Tennessee State Tigers 49
36 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 40
37 Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 29
38 Richmond Spiders 24
39 Villanova Wildcats 22
40 Northern Arizona Lumberjacks 22

[Fear the Bird]

Go ahead anybody explain Montana vs App please

[SpeedkingATL]

Alien abductions in the Boone area??????
Go ahead anybody explain Montana vs App please

[crusader11]

Old Dominion at #3? Not sure how they can be ranked ahead of Youngstown State and The Citadel.

They haven't exactly challenged themselves with their non-conference schedule: Duquesne, Hampton, Campbell.

[Apphole]

Alien abductions in the Boone area??????

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[bluehenbillk]

It's close, the poll is still ugly, but it's better than TSN & the coaches.

Too low: Wofford, McNeese, UNH, UCA & Ind St

Too High: ODU, GSU, Montana, Lehigh, App

[AppAlum2003]

Go ahead anybody explain Montana vs App please

Easy... and I completely agree with the ranking.

Montana and App was a very close game. Citadel completely thumped ASU.

Good teams don't get completely blown out of their own building like ASU did. I don't care that Citadel beat GSU the week before. That kind of drubbing that ASU took AT HOME on Saturday would have been unacceptable if the opponent was Oklahoma. It honestly looked like a college team playing a high school team.

[slostang]

Go ahead anybody explain Montana vs App please

I did not vote, but one could make a case that Montana lost a close one on the road against ASU would probably beat ASU at home.

[superman7515]

Easy... and I completely agree with the ranking.

Montana and App was a very close game. Citadel completely thumped ASU.

Good teams don't get completely blown out of their own building like ASU did. I don't care that Citadel beat GSU the week before. That kind of drubbing that ASU took AT HOME on Saturday would have been unacceptable if the opponent was Oklahoma. It honestly looked like a college team playing a high school team.

So if App is a bad team and they beat Montana, clearly Montana should be a worse team and not ranked higher than them.

[Fear the Bird]

I did not vote, but one could make a case that Montana lost a close one on the road against ASU would probably beat ASU at home.

Fair enough so that gets Montana 1500 poll points to ASU 999? No matter where you rank them they should be side by side

[bluehenbillk]

I had Montana ahead of App - to be honest I dropped App from the top 25 altogether - they just got run off the field - literally. That's loss #2 - they should be more worried about the postseason right now versus where they're at in a poll.....

[Gringer1]

Citadel with 3 1st place votes. Looking at their resume, they probably do have the most quality FCS wins so far. I expect teams like Wofford and NDSU to be better than Citty by season's end, but right now they haven't put together the kind of body of work the Charleston Dogs have.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

It's early and with short data people may also be looking at 2-1 as opposed to 1-2 and that the one win was close.

App is way better than they showed last weekend and that will prove itself out in a few more weeks. When you drop one in that fashion there is gonna be a price paid in the polls and taking just the one head to head isn't necessarily a better measuring stick.

[andy7171]

Yikes Towson gets the CAA win, but drops. How bad to we have to punish poor St. Francis to stay at #15?

[I-16Bandit]

I respect The Citadel and think they are a very good team, but honestly not a #8 team. Not yet.

[Grizalltheway]

It's close, the poll is still ugly, but it's better than TSN & the coaches.

Too low: Wofford, McNeese, UNH, UCA & Ind St

Too High: ODU, GSU, Montana, Lehigh, App

There's only one Montana school that's ranked too high, and it isn't the Griz.

[crusader11]

I respect The Citadel and think they are a very good team, but honestly not a #8 team. Not yet.

Why not?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

My crack at it...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: James Madison Dukes
5: The Citadel Bulldogs
6: Old Dominion Monarchs
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Georgia Southern Eagles
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Albany Great Danes
14: Wofford Terriers
15: Montana State Bobcats
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Appalachian State Mountaineers
19: Cal Poly Mustangs
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Towson Tigers
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Indiana State Sycamores
24: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
25: Lafayette Leopards

[Squealofthepig]

Delaware, Samford and NAU all seem to be flying a bit under the radar; they'll be on the road this week (@William and Mary, @WCU, @Montana), will be really interested to see their results/rankings next week.

[Dane96]

Yikes Towson gets the CAA win, but drops. How bad to we have to punish poor St. Francis to stay at #15?

I dropped you guys a bunch. Watched the whole game and was not impressed with either W&M or Towson.

Lot of season left though.

[narc]

It's close, the poll is still ugly, but it's better than TSN & the coaches.

Too low: Wofford, McNeese, UNH, UCA & Ind St

Too High: ODU, GSU, Montana, Lehigh, App

Can everyone just agree to rank ODU a bit lower in the top 10? High rankings early in the season seem to make me nervous. If they're 7-1 or 8-0 on 28 October, I'm all for a top 5 ranking but putting up ridiculous numbers against lesser opponents when other teams are playing more competitive teams makes it a bit premature.

[asucrutch23]

It's early and with short data people may also be looking at 2-1 as opposed to 1-2 and that the one win was close.

App is way better than they showed last weekend and that will prove itself out in a few more weeks. When you drop one in that fashion there is gonna be a price paid in the polls and taking just the one head to head isn't necessarily a better measuring stick.

I gotta agree with this. I think you have to take the whole season into consideration and there are bound to be upsets. Can't always use head-to-heads to rank teams IMO. If a 5-7 team beat a 10-2 team I'm gonna have that 10-2 team ahead in the polls. I think Montana over App is justified because of the drubbing App took at home to The Citadel. If the App-UM game was at Wa-Griz, I dare say Montana probably would have come out on top.

[I-16Bandit]

Why not?

It's too early to tell if App and Georgia Southern are having down years or not. Both teams are regarded as powerhouses every year, but what if this is a year when they aren't? The Citadel could have just beaten 2 mediocre teams.

In a week or two, we'll see. But now, it's too early in my opinion.

[Dane96]

Delaware, Samford and NAU all seem to be flying a bit under the radar; they'll be on the road this week (@William and Mary, @WCU, @Montana), will be really interested to see their results/rankings next week.

I don't think Samford and NAU are under the radar at all.

I consistently have them in that 22-30 pool to round out my poll however I frankly think neither has done enough to get into the Top 25.

[JTCowboy]

Not sure how McNeese drills Weber on the road and drops from #19 to #20. No big deal but if your going to have a poll at least be real. Appst beats Montana and now the griz is ahead becuase Appst loses.

[frozennorth]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: Stony Brook Seawolves
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: James Madison Dukes
6: The Citadel Bulldogs
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Georgia Southern Eagles
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers
15: Cal Poly Mustangs
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: Old Dominion Monarchs
22: Towson Tigers
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: North Dakota Fighting Sioux

edit: oh god i forgot delaware again xnonono2x

[WrenFGun]

Someone tell me who Stony Brook has beaten. Anyone. Bueller? Hell, someone tell me anyone Stony Brook has beaten in their program history. Unbelievable ranking them this high.

Think Lehigh is also pretty overranked based on how they've played. Same with Montana State. Appalachian State should still be above Montana ... Citadel is as real as it gets 3 games into the season..

[DSUrocks07]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Old Dominion Monarchs
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Illinois State Redbirds
6: The Citadel Bulldogs
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Georgia Southern Eagles
11: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: Montana State Bobcats
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Sacramento State Hornets
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Towson Tigers
20: Appalachian State Mountaineers
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
25: McNeese State Cowboys

Let the rage commence, I'm looking at you UNH posters xcoffeex

[Apphole]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: Stony Brook Seawolves
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: James Madison Dukes
6: The Citadel Bulldogs
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Georgia Southern Eagles
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers
15: Cal Poly Mustangs
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: Old Dominion Monarchs
22: Towson Tigers
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: North Dakota Fighting Sioux

Good poll
(that's what she said)

[Ivytalk]

Nothing like hand-to-hand combat over early season AGS polls. This looks pretty good to me.

[ccd494]

How do you fall in the polls after you beat an FCS team 51-7 on the road?

[frozennorth]

Someone tell me who Stony Brook has beaten. Anyone. Bueller? Hell, someone tell me anyone Stony Brook has beaten in their program history. Unbelievable ranking them this high.


central connecticut and pace

[frozennorth]

How do you fall in the polls after you beat an FCS team 51-7 on the road?

by getting jumped by the citadel

[Humble Steward]

How does B-CU fall 7 spots after facing an FBS opponent on the road? Every other team that faced an FBS opponent drops only 1 or two spots. Wow!!!

[andy7171]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: Stony Brook Seawolves
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: James Madison Dukes
6: The Citadel Bulldogs
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Georgia Southern Eagles
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers
15: Cal Poly Mustangs
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: Old Dominion Monarchs
22: Towson Tigers
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: North Dakota Fighting Sioux

edit: oh god i forgot delaware again xnonono2x

xlolxxlolx
Did you think Pace was a National Contender and your hopes dashed when SB beat em by 70? I mean the soundly beat CCSU and hung in there against Syracuse, but...

#4!?!

[NHwildEcat]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Old Dominion Monarchs
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Illinois State Redbirds
6: The Citadel Bulldogs
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Georgia Southern Eagles
11: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: Montana State Bobcats
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Sacramento State Hornets
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Towson Tigers
20: Appalachian State Mountaineers
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
25: McNeese State Cowboys

Let the rage commence, I'm looking at you UNH posters xcoffeex

No rage this time...this is the first time you ranked UNH...sounds like you are finally beginning to understand :)

[NHwildEcat]

How does B-CU fall 7 spots after facing an FBS opponent on the road? Every other team that faced an FBS opponent drops only 1 or two spots. Wow!!!

Not true...UNH dropped 6 spots I believe after playing Minny. But I agree...no one should drop THAT far from one game playing up...

[DSUrocks07]

How does B-CU fall 7 spots after facing an FBS opponent on the road? Every other team that faced an FBS opponent drops only 1 or two spots. Wow!!!

the ones below 25 are just points counted from posters who voted them into their own Top 25. If you have them in at 25 the previous week they get 1 point (AFAIK) and then they are out the next week they get 0 points.

[Squealofthepig]

How does B-CU fall 7 spots after facing an FBS opponent on the road? Every other team that faced an FBS opponent drops only 1 or two spots. Wow!!!

I think B-C is not represented on the same number of ballots as other teams that fell to an FBS opponent (and others have fallen similarly); so a slight drop by a small number of voters won't overtake slight gains by teams appearing on more ballots. (I don't have B-C in my top 25, but they stayed unmoved in my 26-35, fwiw).

[DSUrocks07]

No rage this time...this is the first time you ranked UNH...sounds like you are finally beginning to understand :)

That not having UNH in the Top (20)25 is a crime against humanity...gotcha xpeacex

[frozennorth]

xlolxxlolx
Did you think Pace was a National Contender and your hopes dashed when SB beat em by 70? I mean the soundly beat CCSU and hung in there against Syracuse, but...

#4!?!

do you have any meaningful criticism?

[dbackjon]

Why is UNH ranked so high?

Why is NAU getting NO love?

UNH has played two crappy FCS teams, and got smoked by Minnesota, the same Minnesota team that three OT to beat an UNLV team NAU beat?


And Stony Brook #3? That is one ugly NECB Poll there.

[MSUBobcat]

Yikes Towson gets the CAA win, but drops. How bad to we have to punish poor St. Francis to stay at #15?

What constitutes as dropping to you? They were #16 in last week's poll (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgtKAORz8z6vdHVBbTM1ZHF6aHJYRGJfakk2SjBGc mc#gid=0) and is now #15. I'd say that's more than fair considering a 3 point win at home to a winless team. Lafayette beat them by the same amount and they did it @W&M and they aren't ranked in the top 25.

[MTfan4life]

How does B-CU fall 7 spots after facing an FBS opponent on the road? Every other team that faced an FBS opponent drops only 1 or two spots. Wow!!!

They didn't necessarily drop. Teams moved above them. A lot of teams in that area of the rankings had a good weekend. Regardless, the previous poll shouldn't have much of an effect on your newest poll, especially in the first couple weeks.

[Dane96]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Old Dominion Monarchs
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Illinois State Redbirds
6: The Citadel Bulldogs
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Georgia Southern Eagles
11: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: Montana State Bobcats
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Sacramento State Hornets
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Towson Tigers
20: Appalachian State Mountaineers
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
25: McNeese State Cowboys

Let the rage commence, I'm looking at you UNH posters xcoffeex

SAC STATE?!?!?!? REALLY??

Oh my.

[dbackjon]

SAC STATE?!?!?!? REALLY??

Oh my.

2-1, with an FBS loss, and a BCS win. Why NOT Sac State?

Yet you have no issue with Stony Brook? HMMMM

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Everybody else is complaining so I might as well:

Why is NDSU not a consensus #1? 8 of you clearly don't know what you're doing.

/snark

[andy7171]

do you have any meaningful criticism?

Why so high then? what would ODU be ranked if you hadn't had them in the 20s? Did you attend Pace?

[NHwildEcat]

Why is UNH ranked so high?

Why is NAU getting NO love?

UNH has played two crappy FCS teams, and got smoked by Minnesota, the same Minnesota team that three OT to beat an UNLV team NAU beat?


And Stony Brook #3? That is one ugly NECB Poll there.

UNH has 2 FCS wins...NAU has 0.

[Hambone]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: The Citadel Bulldogs
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Cal Poly Mustangs
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Georgia Southern Eagles
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
16: McNeese State Cowboys
17: Northern Iowa Panthers
18: Appalachian State Mountaineers
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Towson Tigers
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Sacramento State Hornets

[andy7171]

Holy crap! I've got my websites all confused. Please disregard anything I have said to theis point.

[OhioHen]

Go ahead anybody explain Montana vs App please

Despite the head-to-head leading some to conclude that Appalachian State should be ahead of Montana, most would say 2-1 is better than 1-2.

[AppAlum2003]

So if App is a bad team and they beat Montana, clearly Montana should be a worse team and not ranked higher than them.

It's about overall performance... Montana, although they lost to ASU, has been "in" every game they've played. ASU was close in 1 1/2 games and looked awful the rest of the way.

[Squealofthepig]

SAC STATE?!?!?!? REALLY??

Oh my.

I have 'em in my 26-35 range - FBS loss (to a bad NMSU team); FBS win (to what can only be an even worse Colorado team); and a conference home FCS win vs. a perennial BSC bottom-dweller (though I do expect some noise from UNC this year). They should be looked at, but I'll agree #15 seems pretty high (especially without NAU being included, which has a very similar record: FBS loss (blowout to Arizona State); FBS win (UNLV); blowout win vs. a lower division team).

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Despite the head-to-head leading some to conclude that Appalachian State should be ahead of Montana, most would say 2-1 is better than 1-2.

The head-to-head argument gets harder and harder to use as the season goes on because tof upsets. At some point, the body of work becomes the most important indicator imo.

[Dane96]

So wins over three horrific teams and that poster had them in the Top 15?! Yeah...they were in my 30ish range as well w/ NAU.

WOWSER!

[BullDog85]

I did not vote, but one could make a case that Montana lost a close one on the road against ASU would probably beat ASU at home.Not if you turnover the ball a lot. 4 turnovers will sink most teams any day if the opponent has competitive talent.

[Humble Steward]

Not true...UNH dropped 6 spots I believe after playing Minny. But I agree...no one should drop THAT far from one game playing up...

Agreed. We will continue to play the games. Next up: Tennessee St. Good out of conference game against an undefeated opponent (3-0).

[dbackjon]

UNH has 2 FCS wins...NAU has 0.



NAU has an FBS win, so that is even better.

[NHwildEcat]

Agreed. We will continue to play the games. Next up: Tennessee St. Good out of conference game against an undefeated opponent (3-0).

Best of luck...we have a matchup with an undefeated league mate in ODU on the road! A win Saturday will most certainly boost us in the polls, and give us a great start to the CAA portion of our schedule!

[Dane96]

NAU has an FBS win, so that is even better.

Over a team that would be in the middle-lower dredges of FCS.

[NHwildEcat]

NAU has an FBS win, so that is even better.

It is nice...but I don't agree that it is worth 2 blow out wins against teams from the same level. Sure you got a win against UNLV...after getting smoked by ASU...in your logic doesn't that offsett one another? And then a win against a lower level team? Who cares...talk to me when you guys play a game against teams that can actually qualify for the FCS playoffs. Right now...NAU is not in...not even close. Heck, your going to need to win out to get in...good luck.

[PantherRob82]

Go ahead anybody explain Montana vs App please

App Got smoked at home. Montana lost AT App and it was close. Montana has 2 D-I wins. People slide teams.

Personally, I had Montana right behind App in my poll.

[WrenFGun]

UNH has 2 FCS wins...NAU has 0.

There is no reason UNH should be ranked above a team with an FBS win unless they have a bad FCS loss, IMO. No team should, really.

[dbackjon]

Over a team that would be in the middle-lower dredges of FCS.

Still an FBS win... ;)

Better than a win over Pace and CCSU

[bjtheflamesfan]

Here is my poll ballot for week 3. Somehow my week 2 ballot either didnt go out or I didnt get the email confirming week 2. That said, I did have a lot of movement from week 1 to now:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Old Dominion Monarchs
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Towson Tigers
9: Georgia Southern Eagles
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Cal Poly Mustangs
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: The Citadel Bulldogs
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Indiana State Sycamores
25: Albany Great Danes

Feel free to tell me Im crazy or stupid or any other criticisms you have to offer

[narc]

Best of luck...we have a matchup with an undefeated league mate in ODU on the road! A win Saturday will most certainly boost us in the polls, and give us a great start to the CAA portion of our schedule!

I'm looking forward to seeing a great game, although tailgating at 8-9 AM may take a few drinks.

[DJnva]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: Stony Brook Seawolves
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: James Madison Dukes
6: The Citadel Bulldogs
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Georgia Southern Eagles
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers
15: Cal Poly Mustangs
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: Old Dominion Monarchs
22: Towson Tigers
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: North Dakota Fighting Sioux

edit: oh god i forgot delaware again xnonono2x

ODU #21? I can buy them not being #3 or whatever, but 21? And you must be giving a lot of weight to Stony Brook's loss to Syracuse, because the other 2 opponents are bigger lightweights than ODU's opponents.

[JMUNJ08]

Here is my poll ballot for week 3. Somehow my week 2 ballot either didnt go out or I didnt get the email confirming week 2. That said, I did have a lot of movement from week 1 to now:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Old Dominion Monarchs
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Towson Tigers
9: Georgia Southern Eagles
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Cal Poly Mustangs
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: The Citadel Bulldogs
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Indiana State Sycamores
25: Albany Great Danes

Feel free to tell me Im crazy or stupid or any other criticisms you have to offer

I wish you luck as posters see Cit at 22, App at 12 and Grizz at 6...

[kingranch]

Here is my poll ballot for week 3. Somehow my week 2 ballot either didnt go out or I didnt get the email confirming week 2. That said, I did have a lot of movement from week 1 to now:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Old Dominion Monarchs
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Towson Tigers
9: Georgia Southern Eagles
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Cal Poly Mustangs
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: The Citadel Bulldogs
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Indiana State Sycamores
25: Albany Great Danes

Feel free to tell me Im crazy or stupid or any other criticisms you have to offer

good poll, flip flop youngstown and uni and it is spot on, and move citadel into the top ten, after all they took out two top five teams in back to back weeks

[MTfan4life]

Here is my poll ballot for week 3. Somehow my week 2 ballot either didnt go out or I didnt get the email confirming week 2. That said, I did have a lot of movement from week 1 to now:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Old Dominion Monarchs
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Towson Tigers
9: Georgia Southern Eagles
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Cal Poly Mustangs
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: The Citadel Bulldogs
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Indiana State Sycamores
25: Albany Great Danes

Feel free to tell me Im crazy or stupid or any other criticisms you have to offer

Why is a win over the #9 team in your poll and an annihilation on the road against the #12 team in your poll and having zero losses only worthy of being ranked #22?

[CID1990]

Why is a win over the #9 team in your poll and an annihilation on the road against the #12 team in your poll and having zero losses only worthy of being ranked #22?

I'm just going to say Rip Van Winkle and leave it at that.

[MSUBobcat]

Finally popped my poll cherry. Here's mine:

1. NDSU Bison
2. SHSU Bearkats
3. ODU Monarchs
4. YSU Penguins
5. MSU Bobcats
6. Wofford Terriers
7. JMU Dukes
8. UNI Panthers
9. The Citadel Bulldogs
10. EWU Eagles
11. GSU Eagles
12. UM Grizzlies
13. Cal Poly Mustangs - maybe a little higher than most, but I think they finish in the top 3 of the BSC, one of the stronger conferences, so seemed appropriate
14. ASU Mountaineers - guess I should have pounded them harder in my poll after their shellacking
15. SBU Seawolves
16. McNeese State Cowboys - undefeated with FBS win, pound BBQ on the road, yet fall 1 spot in the AGS poll xconfusedx
17. ISU Redbirds
18. Lehigh Mountain Hawks - wasn't impressed by a 3 point win over Princeton at home
19. Delaware Fighting Blue Hens
20. UNH Wildcats
21. Towson Tigers - should have beaten W&M at home more convincingly IMO
22. Maine Black Bears
23. ISU Sycamores
24. UCA Bears
25. Albany Great Danes


Bash as necessary.xpeacex

[MR. CHICKEN]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: Stony Brook Seawolves
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: James Madison Dukes
6: The Citadel Bulldogs
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Georgia Southern Eagles
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers
15: Cal Poly Mustangs
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: Old Dominion Monarchs
22: Towson Tigers
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: North Dakota Fighting Sioux

edit: oh god i forgot delaware again xnonono2x


xdontknowxxdontknowxxdontknowx

[bjtheflamesfan]

I had App at 5 after the win last week but when they got their doors blown off by The Citadel, I felt it necessary to drop them accordingly. As for having the aforementioned Bulldogs that low, They are good, I will agree. That said, I didnt see that win over App as reason to launch them into the upper stratosphere and they suddenly become a top 5-10 team.

[BullDog85]

It's too early to tell if App and Georgia Southern are having down years or not. Both teams are regarded as powerhouses every year, but what if this is a year when they aren't? The Citadel could have just beaten 2 mediocre teams.

In a week or two, we'll see. But now, it's too early in my opinion.App is questionable. GSU is not. GSU will probably right the ship and run the table except against Wofford. I see El Cid, GSU and Wofford in the top tier in the SoCon this year. They just had ball control issues in Charleston likely due to young inexperienced ball handlers. Their ball handlers are big and fast and can and will plow you under. Russell is a beast on their D-line. You will not run up the middle on this guy. I'm glad we found a way to beat them.

[Mattymc727]

Its wild seeing everyone go wild over a week 3 poll.....Who cares if your team was ranked 14 or 22? Play the games, qualify for the playoffs, justification is shown on the field. Personally, UNH could be ranked outside the top 25 right now and I could care less, I think that would be a bad poll, but why whould I cry over a poll made by fans? Everyone relax, if your team is as good as you think it is, then they will win their games, and you can talk later, when there is something to boast about.

[NHwildEcat]

Its wild seeing everyone go wild over a week 3 poll.....Who cares if your team was ranked 14 or 22? Play the games, qualify for the playoffs, justification is shown on the field. Personally, UNH could be ranked outside the top 25 right now and I could care less, I think that would be a bad poll, but why whould I cry over a poll made by fans? Everyone relax, if your team is as good as you think it is, then they will win their games, and you can talk later, when there is something to boast about.

Having the discussion afterwards is half of the reason for the poll. It is an additional way for everyone to ply their input and it also allows all of us a better perspective on FCS at a national level. If people are willing to throw their individual poll results out then they know they are going to create responses...that is why they expose their polling decisions.

[dbackjon]

Having the discussion afterwards is half of the reason for the poll. It is an additional way for everyone to ply their input and it also allows all of us a better perspective on FCS at a national level. If people are willing to throw their individual poll results out then they know they are going to create responses...that is why they expose their polling decisions.

Exactly.

The discussion helps fans across the board learn more about the teams they are voting/not voting for, and hopefully lets voters think a little more about their picks.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Having the discussion afterwards is half of the reason for the poll. It is an additional way for everyone to ply their input and it also allows all of us a better perspective on FCS at a national level. If people are willing to throw their individual poll results out then they know they are going to create responses...that is why they expose their polling decisions.

I take my voting very seriously. I owe it to myself and the AGS community to post my poll. After three weeks it hasn't been quoted once so I must be doing something right....

[Mattymc727]

Having the discussion afterwards is half of the reason for the poll. It is an additional way for everyone to ply their input and it also allows all of us a better perspective on FCS at a national level. If people are willing to throw their individual poll results out then they know they are going to create responses...that is why they expose their polling decisions.

Thats perfectly fine. Polling is an important part of the season and is a good assessment for everyone to analyze. But there are a lot of posters getting a bit drematic over a few postions in an early season poll. Its mostly a matter of opinion at this point, so no need to overreact. Im not thinking of any poster in mind either, just a general thought after reading this thread.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

It's close, the poll is still ugly, but it's better than TSN & the coaches.

Too low: Wofford, McNeese, UNH, UCA & Ind St

Too High: ODU, GSU, Montana, Lehigh, App

I'm curious as to why you think GSU it too high? Because we lost to The Citadel by 2 on the road?
And I agree with D-back, why is UNH too low while you also don't think NAU is too low as well?

My ballot, and in retrospect, I probably should have had NAU in over UNH.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Old Dominion Monarchs
3: The Citadel Bulldogs
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Youngstown State Penguins
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Northern Iowa Panthers
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: James Madison Dukes
16: Towson Tigers
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Maine Black Bears
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

[bluehenbillk]

This was my submitted poll, flame away as you will....


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Wofford Terriers
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: McNeese State Cowboys
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: The Citadel Bulldogs
9: Old Dominion Monarchs
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Georgia Southern Eagles
17: Towson Tigers
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
23: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

[Dane96]

Please explain Central Arkansas...

[BlueHenSinfonian]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: Illinois State Redbirds
4: Old Dominion Monarchs
5: The Citadel Bulldogs
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: McNeese State Cowboys
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Cal Poly Mustangs
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Appalachian State Mountaineers
20: Sacramento State Hornets
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Towson Tigers
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Northern Iowa Panthers


Tough week. I kept Montana above Appy despite the head to head because of two halfway decent wins to one. UNI might be better than #25 this week, and if they'd won either of their FBS Games I'd have them in the top 10, but with no D1 wins I can't vote them any higher this week.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: Illinois State Redbirds
4: Old Dominion Monarchs
5: The Citadel Bulldogs
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: McNeese State Cowboys
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Cal Poly Mustangs
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Appalachian State Mountaineers
20: Sacramento State Hornets
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Towson Tigers
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Northern Iowa Panthers


Tough week. I kept Montana above Appy despite the head to head because of two halfway decent wins to one. UNI might be better than #25 this week, and if they'd won either of their FBS Games I'd have them in the top 10, but with no D1 wins I can't vote them any higher this week.

GSU unranked? :( Sam at 14?

[Dane96]

Sam Houston i bet was a crapshoot on a ton of ballots.

Honestly...they were the hardest team for me to rank.

[Nickels]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: Illinois State Redbirds
4: Old Dominion Monarchs
5: The Citadel Bulldogs
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: McNeese State Cowboys
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Cal Poly Mustangs
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Appalachian State Mountaineers
20: Sacramento State Hornets
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Towson Tigers
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Northern Iowa Panthers


Tough week. I kept Montana above Appy despite the head to head because of two halfway decent wins to one. UNI might be better than #25 this week, and if they'd won either of their FBS Games I'd have them in the top 10, but with no D1 wins I can't vote them any higher this week.
bahaha worst poll ever.

[bluehenbillk]

Please explain Central Arkansas...

Sure...I look for teams to impress me. UCA has had 2 comfortable wins - one against a half-decent Murray St team. Their only loss is at a SEC team - Ole Miss & the game was pretty much even for about 3 quarters. There are a bunch of teams below them that just haven't done much THIS season to deserve to be ranked higher than them IMHO.

By the way, in the month of September I don't look at my previous weeks polls - I just go thru my Phil Steele book, write down all the teams I consider rankable - try to rate them (top 5, 6-10, ...21-25, etc) and then put them in order. Probably takes 30-40 minutes to come up with it.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

GSU unranked? :( Sam at 14?

I took Appy's win over Montana over GSU's win over Jacksonville and playing Citadel closer. I should have had GSU in there somewhere, the bottom 5 is hard to figure out right now.

SHSU is in a similar place to UNI - no D1 wins, but I will give teams who made the NC game last year the benefit of the doubt.

[JMUNJ08]

bahaha worst poll ever.

Ask a question please... You can see he went by D1 wins as part of the criteria in his poll. Yes, teams are in whacky spots but he has his opinion and can prob back it up. Ok, did my good deed for a UDEL poster for the year, carry on...

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Ask a question please... You can see he went by D1 wins as part of the criteria in his poll. Yes, teams are in whacky spots but he has his opinion and can prob back it up. Ok, did my good deed for a UDEL poster for the year, carry on...

Hard to be taken seriously when that crap represents a full 1.8 percent of his total posts.

[frozennorth]

ODU #21? I can buy them not being #3 or whatever, but 21? And you must be giving a lot of weight to Stony Brook's loss to Syracuse, because the other 2 opponents are bigger lightweights than ODU's opponents.

why should ODU be any higher?

if it make you feel better, there is really no difference between 15-22 here.



More to the point of this thread, why is ODU getting any top-10 consideration at all?

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Hard to be taken seriously when that crap represents a full 1.8 percent of his total posts.

Wait, mine or Nickels' ? I try to vote based on where teams are each week and the season up to that point. I know others try to vote based on where things wil fall out by the end of the season. I think either way can be valid, and that's why the AGS poll usually ends up looking better than the others - it's a consensus effort from a lot of people with different methods, opinions, and systems.

[Nickels]

Please "back it up" then, i want to hear this...

[DSUrocks07]

SAC STATE?!?!?!? REALLY??

Oh my.

No one said anything last week...xeyebrowx

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Wait, mine or Nickels' ? I try to vote based on where teams are each week and the season up to that point. I know others try to vote based on where things wil fall out by the end of the season. I think either way can be valid, and that's why the AGS poll usually ends up looking better than the others - it's a consensus effort from a lot of people with different methods, opinions, and systems.

We all try to vote based on what we think is important. The new guy is butthurt that you put Sam Houston much lower than he thinks. I'm kind of on your side with too many teams in the top 10 bereft of DI wins.

[DSUrocks07]

Regarding Sac State, their schedule sets up rather favorably. No Montana; with MSU, Weber and Cal Poly at home. Only tough road games I forsee are EWU and SUU and with a bye before playing @ UC-Davis. That #15 seems like a pretty good ranking to me. NAU is just outside my Top 25 as well.

[Sam_Kats]

Not about being butthurt. It's about someone making a dumb poll prediction. #1-#6....sure, whatever. That's up for debate. But #14?? Give me a break. Since when does playing a Top 30 FBS team tight until the last 5 minutes knock you in the polls? And, by the way, Baylor would score 100 on 10 of the teams you have ranked above Sam. Last year we got hammered by a few AGS'ers for NOT playing anyone & the title game is decided by 2 plays against a VERY good NDSU team. Then we drop in the polls for playing a very good Baylor team for 55 minutes?? Which is it?

Hey, good thing the polls don't matter. Carry on :D

[Dane96]

Sure...I look for teams to impress me. UCA has had 2 comfortable wins - one against a half-decent Murray St team. Their only loss is at a SEC team - Ole Miss & the game was pretty much even for about 3 quarters. There are a bunch of teams below them that just haven't done much THIS season to deserve to be ranked higher than them IMHO.

By the way, in the month of September I don't look at my previous weeks polls - I just go thru my Phil Steele book, write down all the teams I consider rankable - try to rate them (top 5, 6-10, ...21-25, etc) and then put them in order. Probably takes 30-40 minutes to come up with it.

Murray State: lost to FSU 69-3; lost to Central Ark 42-20; beat a bad MSU team 28-23
Ole Miss: Beat Central Ark 49-27; Beat a Bad UTEP team 28-10; lost to Texas 66-31.

So Central Ark owns ONE WIN against a very low middle to lower end Murray State team...and that's how they get to #13?

I can see an argument for Top 25...heck I batted with that. But TOP 13- Not a chance in hell. There are definitely a half dozen if not more teams with better on-field performances.

Your opinion but I find it difficult to grasp w/ on-field results.

[Dane96]

Regarding Sac State, their schedule sets up rather favorably. No Montana; with MSU, Weber and Cal Poly at home. Only tough road games I forsee are EWU and SUU and with a bye before playing @ UC-Davis. That #15 seems like a pretty good ranking to me. NAU is just outside my Top 25 as well.

Ahhh...so now we vote on FUTURE schedules and potential.

****...everyone head to Vegas...I have a shot at being President. Put some cashish down. Potential baby.....POOOOOOO-TENTIAL.

[DSUrocks07]

Not about being butthurt. It's about someone making a dumb poll prediction. #1-#6....sure, whatever. That's up for debate. But #14?? Give me a break. Since when does playing a Top 30 FBS team tight until the last 5 minutes knock you in the polls? Last year we got hammered by a few AGS'ers for NOT playing anyone & the title game is decided by 2 plays against a VERY good NDSU team.

Hey, good thing the polls don't matter. Carry on :D

It's kinda tough to figure out where Sam is at when their first three weeks were, BYE, D2, FBS. Especially compared to other teams that have played FCS competition.

Although #14 is a bit much. But there's a lot left to be seen from the Kats

[DSUrocks07]

Ahhh...so now we vote on FUTURE schedules and potential.

****...everyone head to Vegas...I have a shot at being President. Put some cashish down. Potential baby.....POOOOOOO-TENTIAL.

Again, you're a little late to the party as I had them at the same ranking last week...xdontknowx

[LehighU11]

First season actually taking the time to do these. Critique as you please...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Old Dominion Monarchs
5: The Citadel Bulldogs
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Georgia Southern Eagles
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Towson Tigers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
19: Appalachian State Mountaineers
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: Lafayette Leopards
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Indiana State Sycamores

[frozennorth]

First season actually taking the time to do these. Critique as you please...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Old Dominion Monarchs
5: The Citadel Bulldogs
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Georgia Southern Eagles
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Towson Tigers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
19: Appalachian State Mountaineers
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: Lafayette Leopards
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Indiana State Sycamores
excellent first effort

[Sam_Kats]

And I still say Stony Brook is Top 8

[Nickels]

First season actually taking the time to do these. Critique as you please...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Old Dominion Monarchs
5: The Citadel Bulldogs
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Georgia Southern Eagles
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Towson Tigers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
19: Appalachian State Mountaineers
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: Lafayette Leopards
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Indiana State Sycamores

Now this is a good poll.

[Dane96]

Again, you're a little late to the party as I had them at the same ranking last week...xdontknowx

I commented on your Poll last week. And I don't care where they were last week. This week they have no business being where they are in your ranking. It's week to week folks...

...it's ok to go...OH ****...this Team isn't Top 20 right now.

[DSUrocks07]

I commented on your Poll last week. And I don't care where they were last week. This week they have no business being where they are in your ranking. It's week to week folks...

...it's ok to go...OH ****...this Team isn't Top 20 right now.

Opinion.

Mine is different. If they look bad next week yet still win they will fall. You're acting like I have any given team locked into a spot as long as they win games when my track record proves otherwise. xdontknowx

[Dane96]

First season actually taking the time to do these. Critique as you please...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Old Dominion Monarchs
5: The Citadel Bulldogs
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Georgia Southern Eagles
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Towson Tigers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
19: Appalachian State Mountaineers
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Cal Poly Mustangs
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: Lafayette Leopards
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Indiana State Sycamores

Little different then my poll...but a heck of an effort. See...it's stuff like this where you can some valid back and forth on positioning, etc. For example, I wanted to keep SHSU higher like you did...but I couldn't bring myself to do it based on what has gone down this week. That said, you can easily justify the SHSU #2 slot.

Same with ISU and Lafayette. Both were in my final 10 to get my 20-25...and both didn't make it. However, each one of them easily could have.

Great poll.

[Dane96]

Opinion.

Mine is different. If they look bad next week yet still win they will fall. You're acting like I have any given team locked into a spot as long as they win games when my track record proves otherwise. xdontknowx


When you make comments like, "future schedules...", I question your understanding of what a poll means.

That comment alone was a WTF moment for me.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Please "back it up" then, i want to hear this...


1: North Dakota State Bison - defending champs, 3-0 with FBS win

2: Youngstown State Penguins - 3-0, BCS win, 2 D1 wins, one high quality

3: Illinois State Redbirds - 3-0 3 D1 wins, 1 FBS

4: Old Dominion Monarchs - 3-0 all D1

5: The Citadel Bulldogs - 3 D1 wins, 2 quality

6: Montana State Bobcats - 3-0, 2 D1

7: McNeese State Cowboys - 3-0, 2 D1, 1 FBS

8: Wofford Terriers - 3-0, 2 D1

9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks - 3-0 all D1

10: James Madison Dukes - 2-1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to BCS team

11: Cal Poly Mustangs - 2-0, both D1, 1 FBS

12: Montana Grizzlies - 2 -1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to ranked FCS

13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens - 3-0, 2 D1

14: Sam Houston State Bearkats - 1-1, defending NC game team, only loss to BCS team,

15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks - 2-1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to FBS

16: Eastern Washington Eagles - 1-1, FBS win, only loss to BCS TEAM

17: Stony Brook Seawolves - 2 - 1, 1 D1 win, only loss to BCS team

18: Albany Great Danes - 2-1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to ranked FCS

19: Appalachian State Mountaineers - 1-2, 1 D1 win vs ranked FCS, losses to FBS and ranked FCS

20: Sacramento State Hornets - 2-1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to FBS

21: Samford Bulldogs - 3 -0, 2 D1 wins

22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels - 2 - 1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to BCS team

23: Towson Tigers - 1 - 1, 1 D1 win, only loss to FBS

24: Maine Black Bears - 1-1, 1 D1 win, only loss to BCS team

25: Northern Iowa Panthers 1-2, 0 D1 wins, only losses to BCS teams, one was close

[DSUrocks07]

When you make comments like, "future schedules...", I question your understanding of what a poll means.

That comment alone was a WTF moment for me.

I was referring to Sac State' season itself and their playoff chances, not directly to their position in the poll.

EDIT: to clarify further, whether or not the rest of the season plays out to justify a given ranking is irrelevant. RIGHT NOW. Who they have played and whom they have beaten ranks up there with the best of them. Everyone gives YSU and Ill. State credit for beating down Pitt and Eastern Michigan, yet you want to take away from the fact that they beat Colorado, "because they're no good"? You can't make that argument and then ignore it in regards to other teams.

[THE HERD]

App is questionable. GSU is not. GSU will probably right the ship and run the table except against Wofford. I see El Cid, GSU and Wofford in the top tier in the SoCon this year. They just had ball control issues in Charleston likely due to young inexperienced ball handlers. Their ball handlers are big and fast and can and will plow you under. Russell is a beast on their D-line. You will not run up the middle on this guy. I'm glad we found a way to beat them.

Are you talking Russell from GSU? If so we ran up the middle and every other direction on Russell and company last winter......so it can be done.

[PantherRob82]

2: Youngstown State Penguins - 3-0, BCS win, 2 D1 wins, one high quality


YSU has 3 D-I wins.

[Twentysix]

1: Youngstown State Penguins
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Illinois State Redbirds
4: Stony Brook Seawolves
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: James Madison Dukes
7: Old Dominion Monarchs
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Cal Poly Mustangs
11: The Citadel Bulldogs
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Albany Great Danes
15: Maine Black Bears
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Lafayette Leopards
22: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
23: Montana State Bobcats
24: Georgia Southern Eagles
25: Central Arkansas Bears

comence bitchfest! :D

[bluehenbillk]

Murray State: lost to FSU 69-3; lost to Central Ark 42-20; beat a bad MSU team 28-23
Ole Miss: Beat Central Ark 49-27; Beat a Bad UTEP team 28-10; lost to Texas 66-31.

So Central Ark owns ONE WIN against a very low middle to lower end Murray State team...and that's how they get to #13?

I can see an argument for Top 25...heck I batted with that. But TOP 13- Not a chance in hell. There are definitely a half dozen if not more teams with better on-field performances.

Your opinion but I find it difficult to grasp w/ on-field results.

If all you can tell me on my poll is that UCA should be in the 18-23 range versus 13 then I'll consider it analytically relevant.

[LehighU11]

Little different then my poll...but a heck of an effort. See...it's stuff like this where you can some valid back and forth on positioning, etc. For example, I wanted to keep SHSU higher like you did...but I couldn't bring myself to do it based on what has gone down this week. That said, you can easily justify the SHSU #2 slot.

Same with ISU and Lafayette. Both were in my final 10 to get my 20-25...and both didn't make it. However, each one of them easily could have.

Great poll.
Thanks! There's so much turbulence this early in the season and too small of a sample size to gauge many of the teams, but I did my best. SHSU was tough for me to keep at 2, but their first half performance against Baylor was enough to stay in that slot.

20-25 were a struggle. Despite a somewhat close game against a sloppy UPenn, Lafayette's win at W&M against a team who has lost by just 7 total points to Maryland, Laf, and Towson gave me enough of a reason to put them in there.

Three weeks in and this is more work than I thought!

[BEAR]

If all you can tell me on my poll is that UCA should be in the 18-23 range versus 13 then I'll consider it analytically relevant.

Not trying to get in on this debate but I look at my bears like this:
Last year playoffs.
This year hung with Ole Miss and the results were just like Sam Houstons in their last game.
Zero problem with Murray State and Bacone.

But I still have ZERO idea of how this team can play!

Playing Sam Houston might not be much of a gauge since Sam is ranked so high. Better gauge will be against SFA and McNeese.

Top 25 team as far as offense goes. Defense is lacking greatly. Hence the reason IF they get into the playoffs they won't go further than first round IMO. But I just don't see us getting by Sam OR McNeese. SFA is to be determined. Getting into the playoffs will be a feat. Even if Sam doesn't win the conference and both UCA and Sam share equal records, SAm will get the nod.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Having the discussion afterwards is half of the reason for the poll. It is an additional way for everyone to ply their input and it also allows all of us a better perspective on FCS at a national level. If people are willing to throw their individual poll results out then they know they are going to create responses...that is why they expose their polling decisions.

Bingo brother. FWIW, getting too upset over any poll isn't my way but saying this is a fan poll as if it has less value than the other ones doesn't make too much sense to me either. There is not a poll out there that more closely reflects where the teams actually end up than this one does year in and year out.

I think that's part of the reason fans fight it out so hard on these threads.

[Nickels]

1: North Dakota State Bison - defending champs, 3-0 with FBS win

2: Youngstown State Penguins - 3-0, BCS win, 2 D1 wins, one high quality

3: Illinois State Redbirds - 3-0 3 D1 wins, 1 FBS

4: Old Dominion Monarchs - 3-0 all D1

5: The Citadel Bulldogs - 3 D1 wins, 2 quality

6: Montana State Bobcats - 3-0, 2 D1

7: McNeese State Cowboys - 3-0, 2 D1, 1 FBS

8: Wofford Terriers - 3-0, 2 D1

9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks - 3-0 all D1

10: James Madison Dukes - 2-1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to BCS team

11: Cal Poly Mustangs - 2-0, both D1, 1 FBS

12: Montana Grizzlies - 2 -1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to ranked FCS

13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens - 3-0, 2 D1

14: Sam Houston State Bearkats - 1-1, defending NC game team, only loss to BCS team,

15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks - 2-1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to FBS

16: Eastern Washington Eagles - 1-1, FBS win, only loss to BCS TEAM

17: Stony Brook Seawolves - 2 - 1, 1 D1 win, only loss to BCS team

18: Albany Great Danes - 2-1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to ranked FCS

19: Appalachian State Mountaineers - 1-2, 1 D1 win vs ranked FCS, losses to FBS and ranked FCS

20: Sacramento State Hornets - 2-1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to FBS

21: Samford Bulldogs - 3 -0, 2 D1 wins

22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels - 2 - 1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to BCS team

23: Towson Tigers - 1 - 1, 1 D1 win, only loss to FBS

24: Maine Black Bears - 1-1, 1 D1 win, only loss to BCS team

25: Northern Iowa Panthers 1-2, 0 D1 wins, only losses to BCS teams, one was close
It seems to me you think beating a trash fbs team is more impressive than giving a qaulity fbs team a game, which is logic I dont agree with.

[RabidRabbit]

1: North Dakota State Bison - defending champs, 3-0 with FBS win

2: Youngstown State Penguins - 3-0, BCS win, 2 D1 wins, one high quality

3: Illinois State Redbirds - 3-0 3 D1 wins, 1 FBS

4: Old Dominion Monarchs - 3-0 all D1

5: The Citadel Bulldogs - 3 D1 wins, 2 quality

6: Montana State Bobcats - 3-0, 2 D1

7: McNeese State Cowboys - 3-0, 2 D1, 1 FBS

8: Wofford Terriers - 3-0, 2 D1

9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks - 3-0 all D1

10: James Madison Dukes - 2-1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to BCS team

11: Cal Poly Mustangs - 2-0, both D1, 1 FBS

12: Montana Grizzlies - 2 -1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to ranked FCS

13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens - 3-0, 2 D1

14: Sam Houston State Bearkats - 1-1, defending NC game team, only loss to BCS team,

15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks - 2-1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to FBS

16: Eastern Washington Eagles - 1-1, FBS win, only loss to BCS TEAM

17: Stony Brook Seawolves - 2 - 1, 1 D1 win, only loss to BCS team

18: Albany Great Danes - 2-1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to ranked FCS

19: Appalachian State Mountaineers - 1-2, 1 D1 win vs ranked FCS, losses to FBS and ranked FCS

20: Sacramento State Hornets - 2-1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to FBS

21: Samford Bulldogs - 3 -0, 2 D1 wins

22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels - 2 - 1, 2 D1 wins, only loss to BCS team

23: Towson Tigers - 1 - 1, 1 D1 win, only loss to FBS

24: Maine Black Bears - 1-1, 1 D1 win, only loss to BCS team

25: Northern Iowa Panthers 1-2, 0 D1 wins, only losses to BCS teams, one was close

Nice Poll and justification.

[darell1976]

Here was my poll (the first one I didn't have UND in it)



1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Old Dominion Monarchs
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Northern Iowa Panthers
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: James Madison Dukes
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
15: Cal Poly Mustangs
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: Towson Tigers
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Indiana State Sycamores
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Sacramento State Hornets

[frozennorth]

why are people ranking ODU in the top 5? someone, please explain!!!

[darell1976]

why are people ranking ODU in the top 5? someone, please explain!!!

I put them at #2 because teams ahead of them lost so they just moved up.

[RabidRabbit]

It seems to me you think beating a trash fbs team is more impressive than giving a qaulity fbs team a game, which is logic I dont agree with.

Yes, beating a "trash" FBS is a win, and counts as one of 7 D-I wins that is needed. Giving a BCS, or a ranked FBS team a "good game" is still a loss, and doesn't get the team into the final "pool" to be selected. If all the D-I wins come against teams with no/ limited (less that 63), or have no history of play-off success, then likely to not get ranked as high. Lehigh is a current "anomolie" because their wins aren't against top D-I teams. But they have a very similar team to one that had a play-off win last year, and challenged NDSU in Fargo, which is always a tough game to get the W.

[UNIFanSince1983]

why are people ranking ODU in the top 5? someone, please explain!!!

My guess is most of them realize ODU was very good last year. They had them high in the preseason, and they have handled business exactly like they should with teams ahead of them losing. If people move teams based on their preseason there has been no reason to move ODU down.

[Twentysix]

Yes, beating a "trash" FBS is a win, and counts as one of 7 D-I wins that is needed. Giving a BCS, or a ranked FBS team a "good game" is still a loss, and doesn't get the team into the final "pool" to be selected. If all the D-I wins come against teams with no/ limited (less that 63), or have no history of play-off success, then likely to not get ranked as high. Lehigh is a current "anomolie" because their wins aren't against top D-I teams. But they have a very similar team to one that had a play-off win last year, and challenged NDSU in Fargo, which is always a tough game to get the W.


xlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolx

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=313442449

Sorry, I just couldn't let that one go.

[RabidRabbit]

Rabid thoughts on week 3.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Old Dominion Monarchs
5: Illinois State Redbirds
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Sacramento State Hornets
9: Northern Iowa Panthers
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
12: Cal Poly Mustangs
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Montana State Bobcats
17: The Citadel Bulldogs
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: Appalachian State Mountaineers
20: Georgia Southern Eagles
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: Towson Tigers
23: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

xlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolx

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=313442449

Sorry, I just couldn't let that one go.

They did better than GSU, that's for sure. It was still a game midway through the 3rd quarter until Colvin threw that pick in the end zone. NDSU was just so freakin good last year.

[Vitojr130]

xlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolx

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=313442449

Sorry, I just couldn't let that one go.

lolololol to be fair, they did put up like 350 yards against us.
Gotta love that bend-but-don't-break defense!! Or maybe it was because Bohl put the second string in...
lolololol

[msupokes1]

Normally I consider the AGS poll to be pretty accurate but this has got to be the worst poll I have every seen come from AGS. How does McNeese drop in the ranking after completely dominating a decent Big Sky team on the road. I can tell that most voters on here do not do there research. This poll is a disgrace.

[gotts]

For the sake of taking my lashings...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: The Citadel Bulldogs
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Old Dominion Monarchs
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Cal Poly Mustangs
11: Georgia Southern Eagles
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Towson Tigers
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Lafayette Leopards

I'll be the first to admit that I don't see the east coast picture as clearly as some out there. It's a learning process and every week I learn something new to help shape the poll. This early on, there are always going to be angles of "Team X performed like this against Team Y so they should be ahead of Team Z," it's impossible to have all those angles covered. Furthermore, yes, I will admit that some teams don't get the recognition that they might deserve in this poll, but if they are worthy of it, the evidence will be there and I will have them closer to where "they should be" in upcoming weeks.

I would love to have even more time to follow all the different FCS games, but there are only so many hours on a Saturday and so many hours to sort through the plethora of information available on Sunday. The tricky part for me is trying to stay away from the subjective pieces and look at things objectively.

Anyways, at the end of the day can't everyone agree to crack a cold one, take a deep breath, waste countless hours at work reading up on FCS, and try to "do better" on their polls next week? :D

[DJnva]

why should ODU be any higher?

if it make you feel better, there is really no difference between 15-22 here.

More to the point of this thread, why is ODU getting any top-10 consideration at all?

Because they finished last year as a top 10 team, return most of those starters (15), and have Taylor Heinicke for the entire year (he's now played 12 games in his career--36 TDs, 5 INT). Their claim on the top 10 is no weaker than any team at this point of the season.

Your poll is the one that has ODU ranked vastly different than others. Tell us why. Also explain why you'd have Stony Brook that high?

[Tod]

Normally I consider the AGS poll to be pretty accurate but this has got to be the worst poll I have every seen come from AGS. How does McNeese drop in the ranking after completely dominating a decent Big Sky team on the road. I can tell that most voters on here do not do there research. This poll is a disgrace.

How do we know Weber State is decent, they're 0-3 (though it's been a tough schedule)?

[msupokes1]

How do we know Weber State is decent, they're 0-3 (though it's been a tough schedule)?

How do you know any team is decent? App st is 1-2, are they decent? Mcneese was a 3 point underdog. With 5 minutes left in the 4th q mcneese was up 35-7, was ahead in total yards 550-130. Even if they aren't decent those stats are impressive and worthy of at least staying where you are not falling.

[JSUBison]

I agree with DJnva about ODU. They were a good team last year and so far have shown no signs of a let down year. They haven't played a killer schedule yet, but we'll see how it goes once CAA conference play begins. My poll:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Old Dominion Monarchs
3: Illinois State Redbirds
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: The Citadel Bulldogs
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: McNeese State Cowboys
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Georgia Southern Eagles
12: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: James Madison Dukes
16: Cal Poly Mustangs
17: Towson Tigers
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Appalachian State Mountaineers
23: Sacramento State Hornets
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Albany Great Danes

[WrenFGun]

Man, I'm seeing a ton of polls without UNH. Do people really think losing to now 3-0 Minnesota was so bad to drop them from the rankings all-together? They're dropping spots despite beating CCSU by 33 and beating Holy Cross by 21? They have a +54 point differential against FCS competition.

I definitely agree with putting teams like NAU, Poly and Sac. State ahead due to FBS wins...but Stony Brook, Lehigh, and a few others I'm not sure I understand.

[JMUNJ08]

Man, I'm seeing a ton of polls without UNH. Do people really think losing to now 3-0 Minnesota was so bad to drop them from the rankings all-together? They're dropping spots despite beating CCSU by 33 and beating Holy Cross by 21? They have a +54 point differential against FCS competition.

I definitely agree with putting teams like NAU, Poly and Sac. State ahead due to FBS wins...but Stony Brook, Lehigh, and a few others I'm not sure I understand.

Midwest bias... Got you guys at 19 and Lehigh at 22 fwiw. I have believed in NAU before and am hesitant to put them in until I see more. Poly (15) and Sac St (25) both made it though

[PantherRob82]

Completely new poll this week. After 3 weeks I tried to base it more on performance than expectations, but there were some teams that still had a little bit of "feeling" to them. Because I create a new poll each week, I don't worry about it too much. Teams will end up where they belong as the games play out. Might be high on: McNeese, UNH, Cal Poly, JMU, Stony Brook. Might be too low on: SHSU and Montana State.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: The Citadel Bulldogs
4: Illinois State Redbirds
5: Old Dominion Monarchs
6: McNeese State Cowboys
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Cal Poly Mustangs
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Wofford Terriers
11: James Madison Dukes
12: Georgia Southern Eagles
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Appalachian State Mountaineers
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Northern Iowa Panthers
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Eastern Washington Eagles
21: Towson Tigers
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Lehigh Mountain Hawks

[Sammy94]

Perhaps to high on Montana

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Georgia Southern Eagles
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Towson Tigers
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: McNeese State Cowboys
17: The Citadel Bulldogs
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Appalachian State Mountaineers
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Illinois State Redbirds
23: Indiana State Sycamores
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

[frozennorth]

Because they finished last year as a top 10 team, return most of those starters (15), and have Taylor Heinicke for the entire year (he's now played 12 games in his career--36 TDs, 5 INT). Their claim on the top 10 is no weaker than any team at this point of the season.

Your poll is the one that has ODU ranked vastly different than others. Tell us why. Also explain why you'd have Stony Brook that high?

Because SBU was better than ODU last year, brings back similar numbers, and had some pretty awesome transfers.

You both lost in the round of 16, but sbu lost to the better team and played better doing it. Additionally, they beat a better team in the playoffs than you did.

Since then, your team has dined on some delicious puff-pastries. What exactly am I supposed to be rating you on? The games you haven't played or the team you didn't beat?

[da_Bison]

lets hear it

1: Sam Houston State Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Youngstown State Penguins
6: Old Dominion Monarchs
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Wofford Terriers
9: The Citadel Bulldogs
10: Georgia Southern Eagles
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Indiana State Sycamores
16: Cal Poly Mustangs
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Maine Black Bears
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
23: Albany Great Danes
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Lehigh Mountain Hawks

[ngineer]

Go ahead anybody explain Montana vs App please

Only thing I can think of is "what have you done lately?" I agree.

[jmufan999]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: The Citadel Bulldogs
6: Towson Tigers
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Indiana State Sycamores
15: Wofford Terriers
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Maine Black Bears
19: Cal Poly Mustangs
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: McNeese State Cowboys

[MSUBobcat]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: The Citadel Bulldogs
6: Towson Tigers
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: Old Dominion Monarchs
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Indiana State Sycamores
15: Wofford Terriers
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Maine Black Bears
19: Cal Poly Mustangs
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: McNeese State Cowboys

Not bad, though I question the motive of giving Towson the #6 ranking for a bad loss to an underwhelming Kent State team and a 3 pt victory at home over winless W&M. Lafayette also beat W&M by 3 on the road yet didn't even make your top 25. xconfusedx

[danefan]

Lots of varying opinions on Albany.

Going from 13th to not ranked and everywhere in between.

[Mattymc727]

Completely new poll this week. After 3 weeks I tried to base it more on performance than expectations, but there were some teams that still had a little bit of "feeling" to them. Because I create a new poll each week, I don't worry about it too much. Teams will end up where they belong as the games play out. Might be high on: McNeese, UNH, Cal Poly, JMU, Stony Brook. Might be too low on: SHSU and Montana State.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Youngstown State Penguins
3: The Citadel Bulldogs
4: Illinois State Redbirds
5: Old Dominion Monarchs
6: McNeese State Cowboys
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Cal Poly Mustangs
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Wofford Terriers
11: James Madison Dukes
12: Georgia Southern Eagles
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Appalachian State Mountaineers
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Northern Iowa Panthers
18: Indiana State Sycamores
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Eastern Washington Eagles
21: Towson Tigers
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Lehigh Mountain Hawks

You really think UNH is a top ten team? I think thats a bit much right now, maybe if UNH beats ODU this weekend. I think UNH and Maine should be ranked side by side at this point, both got trounced vs FBS opponents but trounced their FCS opponents

[McNeese72]

How do you know any team is decent? App st is 1-2, are they decent? Mcneese was a 3 point underdog. With 5 minutes left in the 4th q mcneese was up 35-7, was ahead in total yards 550-130. Even if they aren't decent those stats are impressive and worthy of at least staying where you are not falling.

Hush your mouth. Under the radar is where we want to be right now. ;)

http://www.geauxcowboys-eastside.org/images/stealthbomber.jpg

Doc

[melloware13]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: The Citadel Bulldogs
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Cal Poly Mustangs
7: McNeese State Cowboys
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
14: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Georgia Southern Eagles
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Wofford Terriers
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Eastern Washington Eagles
25: North Dakota Fighting Sioux

I've noticed it's difficult to compare still at this point, the next few weeks should help to mix the teams a bit better. I put App out for this week because that score shouldn't happen at home (in my opinion).

[PantherRob82]

You really think UNH is a top ten team? I think thats a bit much right now, maybe if UNH beats ODU this weekend. I think UNH and Maine should be ranked side by side at this point, both got trounced vs FBS opponents but trounced their FCS opponents

That's the beauty. I could have any team not ranked next week, or an unranked team in the top 10. I don't see anyone below them with a more convincing resume so far. :)

[UNIFanSince1983]

Lots of varying opinions on Albany.

Going from 13th to not ranked and everywhere in between.

UNI is ranked anywhere from Top 5 to unranked and it is hard for me to argue with any of them.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

[Fear the Bird]

So if App is a bad team and they beat Montana, clearly Montana should be a worse team and not ranked higher than them.

This...in the first 3 weeks of the season, if you get a head to head you have to look at it. Sure it's much different in week 12 when a 4-6 team knocks of a 9-1 in conference. But what else do we have to go by? Again I'm not defending App for getting their doors blown off at the Rock, but if you are calling Citadel a top 10, top 5, team, the sweetheart of the week, you are giving them credit. You can't both give credit and say App sucks. Records are ridiculous if you are going to honestly sit here and say that Montana's thrilling wins over USD and Liberty are so much better than losing to Eastern Carolina.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

This...in the first 3 weeks of the season, if you get a head to head you have to look at it. Sure it's much different in week 12 when a 4-6 team knocks of a 9-1 in conference. But what else do we have to go by? Again I'm not defending App for getting their doors blown off at the Rock, but if you are calling Citadel a top 10, top 5, team, the sweetheart of the week, you are giving them credit. You can't both give credit and say App sucks. Records are ridiculous if you are going to honestly sit here and say that Montana's thrilling wins over USD and Liberty are so much better than losing to Eastern Carolina.

yes, I'd rather have those thrilling wins than the thrilling loss and I do not believe App is better than Montana on a nuetral field and I also don't care where Montana is ranked. I do know that both of those teams (App & Montana) should both have a steep upside from here on out but neither is better than the other right now and neither is probably top 10 material right now.

But your opinion is just that and not widely shared so you'll just have to live with the thought your have it right, just like the rest of us do.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Oh, and I can easily see Montana dropping the next two games that should be able to exploit us and make this fairly easy for everyone as well. But if they don't then that steep upside is being scaled quickly.

We are very vulnerable to NAU and EWU right now and it's not a good time to be playing them so you'll be able to probably bump this and say "SEE, I TOLD YOU SO!"

[Fear the Bird]

Oh, and I can easily see Montana dropping the next two games that should be able to exploit us and make this fairly easy for everyone as well. But if they don't then that steep upside is being scaled quickly.

We are very vulnerable to NAU and EWU right now and it's not a good time to be playing them so you'll be able to probably bump this and say "SEE, I TOLD YOU SO!"

I wouldn't do that because a poll is point in time, not based on projections. I was only saying as of today, I don't think you can rank Montana ahead of a team that beat them, regardless of location. If Montana were to drop both, even one of those, yes it would be a moot point - but it wouldn't solidify or do damage to my current point of view. I have no clue if Montana or App is a better team, I can only go by what happened head to head. FWIW, I have App at 16 and Montana 17 this week.

[Sammy94]

Hush your mouth. Under the radar is where we want to be right now.

Under the National radar maybe, but I know a few folks that see you.

[MTfan4life]

I wouldn't do that because a poll is point in time, not based on projections. I was only saying as of today, I don't think you can rank Montana ahead of a team that beat them, regardless of location. If Montana were to drop both, even one of those, yes it would be a moot point - but it wouldn't solidify or do damage to my current point of view. I have no clue if Montana or App is a better team, I can only go by what happened head to head. FWIW, I have App at 16 and Montana 17 this week.


Not necessarily. Even the definition of a poll is clearly subjective to people on here. The poll is going to be subjective too. Not all people believe that a poll should simply be point in time. IMO, the goal of a poll is to attempt to pick the 25 best teams. Not the 25 teams who have won specific games, but the 25 best teams in my mind. I'll base the judgment off results, but not exclusively. I'm not going to rank a FCS team simply because they got lucky enough to have one of the worst FBS schools on their schedule and get a win out of it.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I wouldn't do that because a poll is point in time, not based on projections. I was only saying as of today, I don't think you can rank Montana ahead of a team that beat them, regardless of location. If Montana were to drop both, even one of those, yes it would be a moot point - but it wouldn't solidify or do damage to my current point of view. I have no clue if Montana or App is a better team, I can only go by what happened head to head. FWIW, I have App at 16 and Montana 17 this week.

I had Montana neck and neck as well with App one spot up and it was around 14, 15, 16 as well but I can see that under slightly different parameters of how one does things it could be just the opposite as well.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Not necessarily. Even the definition of a poll is clearly subjective to people on here. The poll is going to be subjective too. Not all people believe that a poll should simply be point in time. IMO, the goal of a poll is to attempt to pick the 25 best teams. Not the 25 teams who have won specific games, but the 25 best teams in my mind. I'll base the judgment off results, but not exclusively. I'm not going to rank a FCS team simply because they got lucky enough to have one of the worst FBS schools on their schedule and get a win out of it.

That is exactly it. It all depends on your philosophy on how you see these things. If there are 120 voters you will have 120 different philosophies on reaching the objective.

[Fear the Bird]

I had Montana neck and neck as well with App one spot up and it was around 14, 15, 16 as well but I can see that under slightly different parameters of how one does things it could be just the opposite as well.

Agreed and I can see that perspective all day long - App or Montana within 1 or 2 spots either direction playing the 2 wins card or the if it was at Montana, maybe they win by a touchdown - I guess I was just blown away by how much disparity there was on a whole

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Agreed and I can see that perspective all day long - App or Montana within 1 or 2 spots either direction playing the 2 wins card or the if it was at Montana, maybe they win by a touchdown - I guess I was just blown away by how much disparity there was on a whole

Troof, App took a big hit due to perceptions which are very likely to change if The Citadel keeps up the superlative play and that loss won't look as shocking as it did last week to a lot of people.

[BisonBacker]

1 North Dakota State Bison 2918 - 108
2 Sam Houston State Bearkats 2588 - 2
3 Old Dominion Monarchs 2523
4 Youngstown State Penguins 2476 - 3
5 Montana State Bobcats 2330
6 Northern Iowa Panthers 2073
7 Wofford Terriers 1996
8 The Citadel Bulldogs 1924 - 3
9 James Madison Dukes 1880
10 Eastern Washington Eagles 1724
11 Illinois State Redbirds 1594
12 Georgia Southern Eagles 1564
13 Montana Grizzlies 1500
14 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1215
15 Towson Tigers 1203
16 Stony Brook Seawolves 1142
17 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 1062
18 Cal Poly Mustangs 1032
19 Appalachian State Mountaineers 999
20 McNeese State Cowboys 987
21 New Hampshire Wildcats 874
22 Maine Black Bears 688
23 Central Arkansas Bears 520
24 Indiana State Sycamores 457
25 Eastern Kentucky Colonels 190

Most significant win: The Citadel
Most signicant loss: Appalachian State

26 Albany Great Danes 171
27 Sacramento State Hornets 144
28 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 134
29 Samford Bulldogs 110
30 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 91
31 Lafayette Leopards 74
32 Harvard Crimson 68
33 Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks 63
34 South Dakota State Jackrabbits 52
35 Tennessee State Tigers 49
36 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 40
37 Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 29
38 Richmond Spiders 24
39 Villanova Wildcats 22
40 Northern Arizona Lumberjacks 22

Just bringing this up to the current page for those who want to see it again for conversation.

[McNeese72]

Under the National radar maybe, but I know a few folks that see you.

Nah, we are in full stealth mode. You only think you see us. :D

Doc

[crossfire07]

Better have some good glasses if you want to see our short skinny guys.

[MSUBobcat]

Finally popped my poll cherry. Here's mine:

1. NDSU Bison
2. SHSU Bearkats
3. ODU Monarchs
4. YSU Penguins
5. MSU Bobcats
6. Wofford Terriers
7. JMU Dukes
8. UNI Panthers
9. The Citadel Bulldogs
10. EWU Eagles
11. GSU Eagles
12. UM Grizzlies
13. Cal Poly Mustangs - maybe a little higher than most, but I think they finish in the top 3 of the BSC, one of the stronger conferences, so seemed appropriate
14. ASU Mountaineers - guess I should have pounded them harder in my poll after their shellacking
15. SBU Seawolves
16. McNeese State Cowboys - undefeated with FBS win, pound BBQ on the road, yet fall 1 spot in the AGS poll xconfusedx
17. ISU Redbirds
18. Lehigh Mountain Hawks - wasn't impressed by a 3 point win over Princeton at home
19. Delaware Fighting Blue Hens
20. UNH Wildcats
21. Towson Tigers - should have beaten W&M at home more convincingly IMO
22. Maine Black Bears
23. ISU Sycamores
24. UCA Bears
25. Albany Great Danes


Bash as necessary.xpeacex

My radar has picked up a blip. It looks like a team that should not be taken lightly, but some of my peers are saying nothing to see here. Sounds like a conspiracy to me.... xeyebrowx :D

[BEAR]

I see you Cowboys. I can't wait for the McNeese v. SHSU game Oct. 20. I'll be there for that one. Honestly I think that game will decide the conference. IF the Bears happen to pull off the upset this weekend, that will be the only thing that makes that matchup less intriguing. But I doubt that will happen.

[McNeese72]

I think we are under The FCS Wedge radar, too. But that can be expected with a guy that came from USL running the show (at least, I assume he is the one running the show).

Doc

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I think we are under The FCS Wedge radar, too. But that can be expected with a guy that came from USL running the show (at least, I assume he is the one running the show).

Doc

He isn't. I am. You are most certainly not under the radar. We made special mention of your friend and his cause tonight to try and help and you were discussed when you had the FBS upset and also, of course, mentioned in the poll discussion.

On top of that Emory has talked about McNeese, SHSU, and SFA as being very tough teams from the SLC that he knows well and always have great athletes...so either I'm misremembering or you are leg pulling here Doc.

That isn't even mentioning TheRevSFA giving you equal time in the SLC segment every week.

Glad you've given a listen man.xthumbsupx

[FargoBison]

I have McNeese in my top 10, I'm very impressed with what they have done thus far. I also have The Citadel and Cal Poly in my top 10, that said I do try to base my poll more on this year and less on what happened in the past.

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

Hell, JMU didn't even give up as many points to WVU as App St. did to The Citadel! This one did hurt App St., not so much in the fact that they lost, but that it was that ugly hurt them big time in the style point category. I am not convinced they can come out the of the SoCon with a playoff spot yet. Montana win is bigger now than ever and is their saving grace. I see GSU and Samford both as challenging, and the rivalry with Furman one never knows what will happen. 1-2 in those games leaves App on the brink of playoff elimination.

[crossfire07]

My radar has picked up a blip. It looks like a team that should not be taken lightly, but some of my peers are saying nothing to see here. Sounds like a conspiracy to me.... xeyebrowx :D

They are right.Nothing to see here.keep moving.Just some skinny slow boys from Louisiana trying to play football.

[FormerPokeCenter]

We haven't done anything since 2002...I try not to get too excited...so we beat a Slumbelch team and a Division II school....Weber State's 0-3....

Unless we do something significant in conference, I'm still unimpressed....nothing to see here....

[McNeese72]

On top of that Emory has talked about McNeese, SHSU, and SFA as being very tough teams from the SLC that he knows well and always have great athletes...so either I'm misremembering or you are leg pulling here Doc.



Hey, don't take me as a one of those serious type bitchers. Emory is a USL guy. I'm an old McNeese fan. It is only natural that I should get on his case. :) It was a bitter instate rivalry back in the day. Think Montana-Montana St. and you get the idea.

I do like and appreciate the show.

Now I need to get back to those bags I'm packing with sand,
Doc

;)

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Hey, don't take me as a one of those serious type bitchers. Emory is a USL guy. I'm an old McNeese fan. It is only natural that I should get on his case. :) It was a bitter instate rivalry back in the day. Think Montana-Montana St. and you get the idea.

I do like and appreciate the show.

Now I need to get back to those bags I'm packing with sand,
Doc

;)

Got it. I did think you were serious and had just missed the talks about McNeese that had happened.

BTW, I still have a whole bunch of sandbags that I was using in 07, 08, and 2009 with the BSC fans. Grab a few if you need em'.

http://www.ci.turlock.ca.us/images/sandbags.jpg

[TheRevSFA]

He isn't. I am. You are most certainly not under the radar. We made special mention of your friend and his cause tonight to try and help and you were discussed when you had the FBS upset and also, of course, mentioned in the poll discussion.

On top of that Emory has talked about McNeese, SHSU, and SFA as being very tough teams from the SLC that he knows well and always have great athletes...so either I'm misremembering or you are leg pulling here Doc.

That isn't even mentioning TheRevSFA giving you equal time in the SLC segment every week.

Glad you've given a listen man.xthumbsupx

Yeah Emory didn't mention the Rev in the thing about FPC's ride, but that's okay. The Rev isn't about spotlight. The Rev is about getting money, occasionally calling in the SLC conference (which I hope you guys like) and on occasion making the witty remark.

[superman7515]

Yeah Emory didn't mention the Rev in the thing about FPC's ride, but that's okay. The Rev isn't about spotlight. The Rev is about getting money, occasionally calling in the SLC conference (which I hope you guys like) and on occasion making the witty remark.

And talking about himself in the third person. ;)

[ursus arctos horribilis]

It wasn't Emory talking about the FPC ride in the first place it was citdog from what ursus heard.

[TheRevSFA]

It wasn't Emory talking about the FPC ride in the first place it was citdog from what ursus heard.

The Rev misspoke and meant citdog. Apologies to emory and ursus

[TheRevSFA]

And talking about himself in the third person. ;)

The Rev's abundance of awesome requires the occasional post in third person.