how many fcs poll's are there?

[LakesBison]

Coaches, AGS, CSN, CS what am i missing?

why is there 4-5 polls, cant everyone come together and produce just 1 poll?


also, why do AGS and CS polls get so much love when its just us idiot fans that vote.


flame away, im asking an honest question, because with 5 polls, I can take whatever one i like and use that as gospel on any given week, then use the other one the following week to fit into my agenda and back slappin'


then finally, FCS has a playoff system, so arent polls pointless?

[ElonFirefighter]

For one thing ags gets the love because all and all its pretty accurate. I sometimes see more homer votes in coaches polls.

[Apphole]

why do AGS and CS polls get so much love when its just us idiot fans that vote.

Because, year in and year out, they prove to be the best most accurate predictor for future games.

[DSUrocks07]

Because, year in and year out, they prove to be the best most accurate predictor for future games.

And the voters in these polls actually pay attention to the games played. AGS and CS were born out of the need for a more accurate FCS poll than what was being given by the media that covers it.

[LakesBison]

Still no one answered my question. is there 4, 5?

[frozennorth]

tsn, coaches, ags, csn, cs

[LakesBison]

5? argh, what a joke.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Ahem.

http://www.college-sports-journal.com/index.php/ncaa-division-i-sports/fcs-football/289-north-dakota-state-unanimous-no-1-in-csj-top-25-poll

[MTfan4life]

5? argh, what a joke.

Just combine the numbers from all polls you can find and create one from the totals. That's all you have to do to get one poll.

[BisonBacker]

5? argh, what a joke.
Simple answer is because they can produce one if they want. You don't like them don't look at them. Only 1 poll I look at and it's AGS. I don't bother with the Coaches poll because most of the time its not the coaches voting in them. Just someone assigned to do it for them and they don't pay enough attention to the FCS as a whole to make a educated vote.

[DJKyR0]

Just combine the numbers from all polls you can find and create one from the totals. That's all you have to do to get one poll.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gENVB6tjq_M

Considering the FBS system uses three "official" polls (coaches, AP, BCS kind of), why is five any more ridiculous?

[Lehigh Football Nation]

CSJ's poll is the only hand-picked poll of media and other professionals with a true, balanced, national view from experts on FCS football. As BB points out, other polls don't have the same level of national, or homer, or over-conference focus that CSJ's does.

[LakesBison]

FBS is 2, AP and coaches. BCS is just the final 4-5 weeks for natty champ purposes.

[frozennorth]

we might as well toss massey and saragrin into the mix. That gets us up to 8

[LakesBison]

frozen! NOOOOOOO!! haha

[BisonBacker]

FBS is 2, AP and coaches. BCS is just the final 4-5 weeks for natty champ purposes.

There is no such thing as a "Natty Champ" in BCS with the crappy bowl system and corrupt voting they use. xcoffeex

[DJKyR0]

FBS is 2, AP and coaches. BCS is just the final 4-5 weeks for natty champ purposes.

So why is 5/6/8 so much of a "joke," then? Folks have different opinions and very rarely are any two polls the exact same. As a fan of the FCS, don't you enjoy reading varying opinions on the state of our subdivision?

[MSUBobcat]

we might as well toss massey and saragrin into the mix. That gets us up to 8

I also conduct a poll. Ok, its just me picking teams out of a hat, but that gets us to 9 polls. Oh the humanity.

[MTfan4life]

we might as well toss massey and saragrin into the mix. That gets us up to 8

Those aren't polls, and CS doesn't have a poll this season. Massey and sagarin are formulas, and not done by humans other than the guy entering in the numbers.

[JSUBison]

Hey lakes, bisonville started a FCS poll this season, that makes 10. xeekx

[frozennorth]

Those aren't polls, and CS doesn't have a poll this season. Massey and sagarin are formulas, and not done by humans other than the guy entering in the numbers.

no **** huh?xcoffeex

[LakesBison]

Whats bIsInvIlle??

SUBison;1845157]Hey lakes, bisonville started a FCS poll this season, that makes 10. xeekx[/QUOTE]

[ursus arctos horribilis]

5? argh, what a joke.

Ok, now it's your turn. Why is it a joke? People are interested in doing it and it doesn't cost you a damn thing to have choices and so forth to compare so what exactly in your world makes this a bad thing?

Honestly, I want to know, just asking a question.

[Nickels]

Honestly most fcs polls at this point are a joke. How many of you that made polls watched every team in your top 30? Im guessing less .05% of you. Most are filled with extreme conference + regional bias, national media polls included.

[Vitojr130]

Honestly most fcs polls at this point are a joke. How many of you that made polls watched every team in your top 30? Im guessing less .05% of you. Most are filled with extreme conference + regional bias, national media polls included.

You'd be surprised.

When I submitted my picks for the Bisonville poll that just started, I spent a good hour and a half looking at all the teams and their records and who they played against and ranked them appropriately (in my mind anyway).

Because most polls at the FCS level do not really get used anywhere other than for recreational purposes (as far as I know, there is no gambling for FCS games), who cares if they are a joke or not? They are strictly for fun.

[Nickels]

You'd be surprised.

When I submitted my picks for the Bisonville poll that just started, I spent a good hour and a half looking at all the teams and their records and who they played against and ranked them appropriately (in my mind anyway).

Because most polls at the FCS level do not really get used anywhere other than for recreational purposes (as far as I know, there is no gambling for FCS games), who cares if they are a joke or not? They are strictly for fun.
An hour and half of looking at scores and opponents doesnt mean you know jack squat about half of the teams. No offense. I dont see how you could rank a team you havnt watched play.

There most certainly is gambling on FCS games. Though AGS user polls arn't important, the major fcs polls decide playoff eligibility and seeding. It seems alot of those polls are decided the same way, just looking at a few scores and team names.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Honestly most fcs polls at this point are a joke. How many of you that made polls watched every team in your top 30? Im guessing less .05% of you. Most are filled with extreme conference + regional bias, national media polls included.

No they are not and you are just throwing out whatever your perceived deal is here. I've went to the trouble of proving that the conference regional bias claim is pure horse**** but if you want to stick to that feel free but you are wrong.

Does everybody watch every game? Hell no, so f'n what? Nobody, doing any poll, gets to watch every game they are voting on. However on here they do get to have points of contention discussed, highlights shown, and a variety of other information that is available but unused by other pollsters.

Not perfect but so what? Still closest to what actually plays out on the field each year and any of the problems you want to point out (even if it not exactly news to anyone) don't really matter or are false in the grand scheme.

You don't like it? Who gives a ****?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

An hour and half of looking at scores and opponents doesnt mean you know jack squat about half of the teams. No offense. I dont see how you could rank a team you havnt watched play.

There most certainly is gambling on FCS games. Though AGS user polls arn't important, the major fcs polls decide playoff eligibility and seeding. It seems alot of those polls are decided the same way, just looking at a few scores and team names.

And you are wrong here as well. They do not decide eligibility and seeding. Good thing too I guess since they are farther from reality than this one is.

[kingranch]

youre team lost deal with it you have plenty of time to climb back up. until you lose to a&m and lose a good seed

[Vitojr130]

An hour and half of looking at scores and opponents doesnt mean you know jack squat about half of the teams. No offense. I dont see how you could rank a team you havnt watched play.

There most certainly is gambling on FCS games. Though AGS user polls arn't important, the major fcs polls decide playoff eligibility and seeding. It seems alot of those polls are decided the same way, just looking at a few scores and team names.

Okay, so name one casino or other venue that writes their lines based on polls? As far as I know, they all have their own methods of determining lines.

Also, you are right. Most certainly an hour and a half of sorting through scores and stats and comparisons certainly isn't enough to write an accurate top 25. However, if you add years upon years of being a fan that follows the sport very actively, one could take that into consideration.

Finally, since when has any poll decided playoff eligibility!? This is news to me. I believe they have a committee that sits down and judges which teams belong where and when, based off of their performance over the course of the season.

[WeAreNorthDakota]

You'd be surprised.

When I submitted my picks for the Bisonville poll that just started, I spent a good hour and a half looking at all the teams and their records and who they played against and ranked them appropriately (in my mind anyway).

Because most polls at the FCS level do not really get used anywhere other than for recreational purposes (as far as I know, there is no gambling for FCS games), who cares if they are a joke or not? They are strictly for fun.

Do you honestly think coaches and SID's don't take an hour out of their week to check scores and standings and rank accordingly? Coaches might not look very in depth at a conference on the other side of the country but they damn sure know what's going on in their conference and with their opponents and potential opponents. But it's an SID's job to know what's going on in the sport. It's not like they're just drawing names out of a hat. Plus, I can't imagine someone would want to be a Sports Information Director without being a pretty big sports fan. That alone gives an SID as much credibility in rankings as anyone on this board. The only thing that gives the AGS poll more credibility than the coaches poll is the much larger sample size which likely covers up any regional or conference bias, it has nothing to do with how much one person knows about FCS football than a college SID.

[Vitojr130]

Do you honestly think coaches and SID's don't take an hour out of their week to check scores and standings and rank accordingly? Coaches might not look very in depth at a conference on the other side of the country but they damn sure know what's going on in their conference and with their opponents and potential opponents. But it's an SID's job to know what's going on in the sport. It's not like they're just drawing names out of a hat. Plus, I can't imagine someone would want to be a Sports Information Director without being a pretty big sports fan. That alone gives an SID as much credibility in rankings as anyone on this board. The only thing that gives the AGS poll more credibility than the coaches poll is the much larger sample size which likely covers up any regional or conference bias, it has nothing to do with how much one person knows about FCS football than a college SID.

I think you missed my point.

My point was that there are plenty of people out there that do indeed do some research before filling out a poll.

[bojeta]

Opinion: The polls are fun! They add an eliment of intrigue while we wait another 7 days each week for game time. They are frustrating, but that's part of the fun. We love to out-do them or at least try. We pat ourselves on the back when we're right and make excuses when we're wrong (sometimes in jest, and sometimes we actually believe them). I'm thankful to the AGS folks for the opportunity to participate in this poll, and love to compare it to the inferior polls out there; most notibly the Coaches poll. Keep up the great work!!!!

[MR. CHICKEN]

Opinion: The polls are fun! They add an eliment of intrigue while we wait another 7 days each week for game time. They are frustrating, but that's part of the fun. We love to out-do them or at least try. We pat ourselves on the back when we're right and make excuses when we're wrong (sometimes in jest, and sometimes we actually believe them). I'm thankful to the AGS folks for the opportunity to participate in this poll, and love to compare it to the inferior polls out there; most notibly the Coaches poll. Keep up the great work!!!!

16832.....AH'M IN AGREEMENT......LEFT-COASTER...xnodx...AWK!

[Grizo406]

Polls this early in the season? Who really gives a ****?

What I wanna' know is why Macado's charges $7 for a shot of Jager?!!?

[frozennorth]

Do you honestly think coaches and SID's don't take an hour out of their week to check scores and standings and rank accordingly? Coaches might not look very in depth at a conference on the other side of the country but they damn sure know what's going on in their conference and with their opponents and potential opponents. But it's an SID's job to know what's going on in the sport. It's not like they're just drawing names out of a hat. Plus, I can't imagine someone would want to be a Sports Information Director without being a pretty big sports fan. That alone gives an SID as much credibility in rankings as anyone on this board. The only thing that gives the AGS poll more credibility than the coaches poll is the much larger sample size which likely covers up any regional or conference bias, it has nothing to do with how much one person knows about FCS football than a college SID.

People are allowed to care more about certain sports than others. What if your SID came to the job via volleyball? Would you still expect him/her to know enough o care enough to make a coherent poll ballot? I think most of us can look at the two 'professional' polls and come to the conclusion that they are doing an underwhelming job.

I think one underrated aspect is that a poll of the scale of ags is better able to withstand the number of lazy idiots voting, which a smaller poll like the coaches poll would not.

[alvinkayak6]

The media poll for the FBS is the AP. The media poll for the FCS is the Sports Network.
The coaches poll for the FBS is done by USA Today. For the FCS, it is done by the SOCON.

The NCAA cites the TSN Poll as its "media poll". I don't think that is going to change, especially since all the school and conference SIDs have a vote. Some schools will choose to include other polls particularly if they are ranked much higher in them.

[alvinkayak6]

You totally neglected the fact that conference SIDs and schools will vote in their own interest. Larger conferences will have more votes and benefit more if there is collusion.

[alvinkayak6]

Okay, so name one casino or other venue that writes their lines based on polls? As far as I know, they all have their own methods of determining lines.

Also, you are right. Most certainly an hour and a half of sorting through scores and stats and comparisons certainly isn't enough to write an accurate top 25. However, if you add years upon years of being a fan that follows the sport very actively, one could take that into consideration.

Finally, since when has any poll decided playoff eligibility!? This is news to me. I believe they have a committee that sits down and judges which teams belong where and when, based off of their performance over the course of the season.

The committee has used this Gridiron Power Index item from College Sporting News (I think), which incorporates a handful of other polls. It's a guide. We really have no idea how much weight the committee places on the index.

[alvinkayak6]

There is no such thing as a "Natty Champ" in BCS with the crappy bowl system and corrupt voting they use. xcoffeex

There is a "National Champion" but no National Champion. xreadx

[LakesBison]

urses i am not doggin the ags poll , i am just simple saying that the fcs doesnt need freakin 5 polls.

i watch our newscasts in north dakota and every week, they cherry pick what poll they want to use. every team just pulls out the poll that they get the highest ranking in. I think its pretty weak.

sorry, just an opinion.


I WOULD like to see a combined Coaches-AGS poll as 1 poll.

[DJKyR0]

urses i am not doggin the ags poll , i am just simple saying that the fcs doesnt need freakin 5 polls.

i watch our newscasts in north dakota and every week, they cherry pick what poll they want to use. every team just pulls out the poll that they get the highest ranking in. I think its pretty weak.

sorry, just an opinion.


I WOULD like to see a combined Coaches-AGS poll as 1 poll.

Then combine them yourself and go by that. Takes like two minutes.

[URMite]

urses i am not doggin the ags poll , i am just simple saying that the fcs doesnt need freakin 5 polls.

i watch our newscasts in north dakota and every week, they cherry pick what poll they want to use. every team just pulls out the poll that they get the highest ranking in. I think its pretty weak.

sorry, just an opinion.


I WOULD like to see a combined Coaches-AGS poll as 1 poll.

You could start here http://www.collegesportingnews.com/content.php?770-2012-FCS-Preseason-Consolidated-Rankings
or here http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm

[ursus arctos horribilis]

urses i am not doggin the ags poll , i am just simple saying that the fcs doesnt need freakin 5 polls.

i watch our newscasts in north dakota and every week, they cherry pick what poll they want to use. every team just pulls out the poll that they get the highest ranking in. I think its pretty weak.

sorry, just an opinion.


I WOULD like to see a combined Coaches-AGS poll as 1 poll.

Lakes, if you talk out of one side of your mouth instead of consistently talking out of both you would have more credibility. You are now downplaying what poll someone uses when you yourself were happy to do so a few years back.

Seriously man do you not see that you are walking contradiction? Fun to talk to and bust on for it though but really man, you gotta get it together.

[AmsterBison]

Bisonville has one. It's a little easier than most because we only rank the teams from 2-25.

I keed, I keed.

[superman7515]

Coaches, AGS, CSN, CS what am i missing?

HSRN and Sheridan are the polls used by FCS HBCU's.

[MSUBobcat]

Bisonville has one. It's a little easier than most because we only rank the teams from 2-25.

I keed, I keed.

xlolxxlolxxlolxxthumbsupx

[Fear the Bird]

urses i am not doggin the ags poll , i am just simple saying that the fcs doesnt need freakin 5 polls.

i watch our newscasts in north dakota and every week, they cherry pick what poll they want to use. every team just pulls out the poll that they get the highest ranking in. I think its pretty weak.

sorry, just an opinion.


I WOULD like to see a combined Coaches-AGS poll as 1 poll.


Well here you go b/c math is fun, combined coaches-AGS poll:

1. North Dakota St.
2. Sam Houston St.
T3. Montana St.
T3. Youngstown St.
5. Old Dominion
6. Wofford
7. Northern Iowa
8. James Madison
9. Eastern Washington
T10. The Citadel
T10. Georgia Southern
12. Montana
13. Illinois St.
14. Lehigh
15. Delaware
16. Towson
17. Stony Brook
T18. Appalachian St.
T18. McNeese St.
T20. New Hampshire
T20. Maine
22. Central Arkansas
23. Cal Poly
24. Eastern Kentucky
25. Indiana St.

ORV: Jacksonville St., Harvard, Samford, Sacramento St., North Dakota, Albany, Bethune-Cookman, Lafayette, Tennessee St., South Dakota St., Northern Arizona, Tennessee Tech