MVC...not MVFC...an FBS conference that could invite teams

[clenz]

Doing some reading about the internet today I came across an interesting fact - apparently NCAA rule 20.4.2.1.1 allows for a Conference that previously met the definition of an FBS conference to issue an invitation to an institution interested in upgrading to FBS

Prior to 1985 when the Gateway conference was formed...the Missouri Valley Conference (NOT Missouri Valley Football Conference/Gateway the other MVC that houses all sports except football) was considered an FBS conference, and technically still is. That means the MVC could invite teams to the FBS.

Think about that...if **** gets real crazy both ISU's, SIU, MSU, and UNI all have a fall back plan without having to leave the MVC!

xlolx

[MplsBison]

Interesting theory, but one that wouldn't hold water if push came to shove. If nothing else, they'd just make up a reason to poke a hole in it - no matter what the rulebook says.

It won't work.


Only way to get to I-A is to receive an invitation to join the Sunbelt, WAC, MAC, CUSA, MWC, Big East, ACC, Big XII, SEC, Pac 12 or Big Ten conferences (listed in order of least to most prestigious, of course xnodx)

[clenz]

MVC has previously been a 1A conference, which means it still is, and could invite teams if it wanted too...apparently.

[UAalum72]

MVC has previously been a 1A conference, which means it still is, and could invite teams if it wanted too...apparently.
Don't think so. 20.4.2.1.1 refers to Bylaw 20.02.6, in which 20.02.6.1 allows a "Grace Period. A conference shall continue to be considered a Football Bowl Conference for two years following the date when it fails to satisfy the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision member requirement due to one or more of its member's failure to comply with the bowl subdivision membership requirements."

[clenz]

Don't think so. 20.4.2.1.1 refers to Bylaw 20.02.6, in which 20.02.6.1 allows a "Grace Period. A conference shall continue to be considered a Football Bowl Conference for two years following the date when it fails to satisfy the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision member requirement due to one or more of its member's failure to comply with the bowl subdivision membership requirements."
Well damn.

[bojeta]

Well damn.

Yes, damn! Otherwise, Cal Poly and UC Davis, both members of the Big West in all other sports, could restart the FBS conference and invite a bunch of Big Sky schools to join and wham! Not that any of them would necessarily be interested anyhow lol... Interesting thought though :)

[MplsBison]

MVC has previously been a 1A conference, which means it still is, and could invite teams if it wanted too...apparently.

Thanks for restating the incorrect point you already made in the first post, without adding any new arguments or theories.

[BucBisonAtLarge]

Maybe it is too late for the MVC, but it seems as though the WAC has two years' grace, based on this discussion

[MplsBison]

Maybe it is too late for the MVC, but it seems as though the WAC has two years' grace, based on this discussion

Indeed, all the WAC has to do is invite enough I-AA football teams up who want to move into I-A and the conference keeps going in football.

Doesn't matter if they're on the east coast, at this point. Just keep the thing going.

[344Johnson]

Only way to get to I-A is to receive an invitation to join the Sunbelt, WAC, MAC, CUSA, MWC, Big East, ACC, Big XII, SEC, Pac 12 or Big Ten conferences (listed in order of least to most prestigious, of course xnodx)

LOL, Mpls thinks the Big Ten is still relevant. How silly. SEC bro. All day. Prestige academically sure, but academics are just something bad conferences fall back on as an excuse as the why the SEC beats the living piss out of them in football. ;)

P.S. to all the SoCon fans who are probably also SEC fans of some variety...

WAR EAGLE!

[DFW HOYA]

Prior to 1985 when the Gateway conference was formed...the Missouri Valley Conference (NOT Missouri Valley Football Conference/Gateway the other MVC that houses all sports except football) was considered an FBS conference, and technically still is. That means the MVC could invite teams to the FBS.

The only other active conference that meets this scenario is the Ivy League (I-A through 1982). Any takers?

[frozennorth]

LOL, Mpls thinks the Big Ten is still relevant. How silly. SEC bro. All day. Prestige academically sure, but academics are just something bad conferences fall back on as an excuse as the why the SEC beats the living piss out of them in football. ;)

P.S. to all the SoCon fans who are probably also SEC fans of some variety...

WAR EAGLE!

big ten is also far wealthier than the sec. Keep in mind that only 8 years ago the SEC was so lightly regarded that an undefeated sec team received no serious consideration to play in the title game, and LSU only had a shot in 2004 because LOLBCS, and their title from that year is effectively fraudulent. The SEC got somewhat lucky with an influx of talented coaches in the middle of the decade: Spurrier (the victory lap), saban, miles, meyer, petrino.

Two of those guys are gone now. The additions of miseri (B1G rejects) and texas a&m aren't going to bring a ton of credibility in. Last year alabama's best win was either big10 also-ran penn state, or hilariously over rated arkansas. Somehow that sort of gauntlet means you can play for a title even though you have already lost to the other team in the title game over a team that played a much more difficult schedule in a much deeper conference.

[MplsBison]

Well said frozen.

Since 1992 when the Bowl Coalition was formed there were 14 "championship" games played before the SEC's streak. The SEC won 4 of them.

Other than Florida and Vanderbilt, they are not AAU and not major research centers. They're mostly the large public schools in southern states that have sizable rural, poor, black populations which emphasize athletics as the "way up and out" rather than emphasizing education and white collar employment.


By far and wide, the Big Ten and the Pac 12 are the grandest, best public research centers in the nation. That's prestige.

[344Johnson]

big ten is also far wealthier than the sec. Keep in mind that only 8 years ago the SEC was so lightly regarded that an undefeated sec team received no serious consideration to play in the title game, and LSU only had a shot in 2004 because LOLBCS, and their title from that year is effectively fraudulent. The SEC got somewhat lucky with an influx of talented coaches in the middle of the decade: Spurrier (the victory lap), saban, miles, meyer, petrino.

Two of those guys are gone now. The additions of miseri (B1G rejects) and texas a&m aren't going to bring a ton of credibility in. Last year alabama's best win was either big10 also-ran penn state, or hilariously over rated arkansas. Somehow that sort of gauntlet means you can play for a title even though you have already lost to the other team in the title game over a team that played a much more difficult schedule in a much deeper conference.

LOL, you are calling the Big XII a deeper conference than the SEC? I imagine if they had a SEC/Big 12 Showcase similar to the ACC/B1G in basketball, SEC wins most of the games.

Oklahoma State got beat by Iowa 'freakin' State. I repeat. Iowa State. The same team that struggled and had to rally in a game with UNI.

Hence, they had no right to complain about being left out.

[MplsBison]

LOL, you are calling the Big XII a deeper conference than the SEC? I imagine if they had a SEC/Big 12 Showcase similar to the ACC/B1G in basketball, SEC wins most of the games.

Oklahoma State got beat by Iowa 'freakin' State. I repeat. Iowa State. The same team that struggled and had to rally in a game with UNI.

Hence, they had no right to complain about being left out.

Oklahoma St would've beaten Alabama and should've been in the national championship game against LSU. Mostly likely would've won too, given how poorly LSU played in the game.

They got screwed by that loss in Ames, right after the tragedy. The BCS formula didn't work. A committee would've made the correct decision.

[344Johnson]

Oklahoma St would've beaten Alabama and should've been in the national championship game against LSU. Mostly likely would've won too, given how poorly LSU played in the game.

They got screwed by that loss in Ames, right after the tragedy. The BCS formula didn't work. A committee would've made the correct decision.

Would have a committee? They'd probably have looked at who the teams lost to, one team lost to an undefeated LSU team. One team lost to a very, very average Iowa State.

Oklahoma State wouldn't have done anything to Alabama. Alabama defense would have shut them down (like they did to every team) and the Alabama offense would have ran the Pokes over all day long, just like they did to pretty much everyone all year.

Pokes gave up at least 20 points in all but 3 games. Alabama gave up more than 20 points exactly one time.

[MplsBison]

Would have a committee? They'd probably have looked at who the teams lost to, one team lost to an undefeated LSU team. One team lost to a very, very average Iowa State.

Oklahoma State wouldn't have done anything to Alabama. Alabama defense would have shut them down (like they did to every team) and the Alabama offense would have ran the Pokes over all day long, just like they did to pretty much everyone all year.

Pokes gave up at least 20 points in all but 3 games. Alabama gave up more than 20 points exactly one time.

All the committee would need to know is: A) Alabama didn't even get to play in the SEC championship game, because B) they already lost to LSU in the regular season.

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Those points alone are sufficient for any reasonable human to dismiss last year's Alabama squad from contention for the #2 ranking.

[344Johnson]

All the committee would need to know is: A) Alabama didn't even get to play in the SEC championship game, because B) they already lost to LSU in the regular season.

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Those points alone are sufficient for any reasonable human to dismiss last year's Alabama squad from contention for the #2 ranking.

Alabama lost one game. To the 'best team in the country' LSU.

Okie State lost one game. To 6-6 Iowa State.

[MplsBison]

Alabama lost one game. To the 'best team in the country' LSU.

Okie State lost one game. To 6-6 Iowa State.

As I said, reasonable human. Not the SEC champion and already lost to them = not in the game. That is correct, live with it and move on.

I'm not advocating for OK St, just that Alabama shouldn't been in it.


You're taking the piss just to troll. Run along, kid.