Roger Clemens again found NOT GUILTY

[BisonBacker]

Time to move on....The Steroids debate will never go away.

[asumike83]

Agreed, let's move on. If Congress and the Grand Jury have nothing better to do (and no better way to spend $3 Million in taxpayer's money) than have a debate about whether some redneck stuck a needle up his a**, then they don't deserve a conviction. Let Major League Baseball regulate itself and focus your resources on matters much more pressing that baseball players using steroids.

[bluehenbillk]

Not guilty in a court of law, but joins the list of others: Joe Paterno, Lance Armstrong, Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmiero, and A-Rod as all guilty in the court of public opinion. He'll never walk thru the entrance of the HOF without buying a ticket.....

[NHwildEcat]

They will all get in eventually....but it will be a long time. We will see if the baseball writers have softened a bit this year if anyone votes for Braun for awards at year's end...he failed a drug test...suspension or not he now has suspicsion which we have learned is enough to not get put in the Hall.

I don't see how these old cranky writers can simply ignore an era of the game, even if it is a black mark. Actually, it wasn't a black mark...anyone can disagree with me but steroids may have saved the game...coming out of that labor dispute in the early 90's the league needed this. And thus, they turned the other cheek. If baseball hasn't banned them then why do writers insist upon it?

[asumike83]

I don't see how these old cranky writers can simply ignore an era of the game, even if it is a black mark. Actually, it wasn't a black mark...anyone can disagree with me but steroids may have saved the game...coming out of that labor dispute in the early 90's the league needed this. And thus, they turned the other cheek. If baseball hasn't banned them then why do writers insist upon it?

I agree, somewhat. I do think it was a black eye for the game but you are exactly right about how these players are now vilified by a league that enabled them for years. After the strike, fans were very disenchanted with baseball until Sosa, Bonds, McGwire, etc. started putting butts in the seats with the long ball. Bud Selig and the rest of baseball knew what was going on and they turned a blind eye and kept cashing the checks. It infuriates me now to see them act all indignant about steroid use in baseball when they not only knew about it and ignored it, but turned a nice profit.

/soapbox

[NHwildEcat]

I agree, somewhat. I do think it was a black eye for the game but you are exactly right about how these players are now vilified by a league that enabled them for years. After the strike, fans were very disenchanted with baseball until Sosa, Bonds, McGwire, etc. started putting butts in the seats with the long ball. Bud Selig and the rest of baseball knew what was going on and they turned a blind eye and kept cashing the checks. It infuriates me now to see them act all indignant about steroid use in baseball when they not only knew about it and ignored it, but turned a nice profit.

/soapbox

Exactly! And that is why I feel these guys should be allowed in...I just don't see how you can disallow a whole generation of players because they were allowed by the league to cheat with no punishment other then complete exile now. Heck, McGwire works for the freakin Cardinals now...it's not like these guys are getting the Pete Rose treatment.

[TheRevSFA]

Pete Rose should be in the HOF before these schmucks.

What he did on the field was incredible.

[bluehenbillk]

Pete Rose should be in the HOF before these schmucks.

What he did on the field was incredible.


+1 - And it wasn't enhanced or tainted.

[NHwildEcat]

Pete Rose should be in the HOF before these schmucks.

What he did on the field was incredible.

Agreed...but he is the cast off while they are allowed to roam ball parks and be celebrated.

[clenz]

Point of clarification....

He was found not guilty of perjury....not not guilty of using steroids.



Also, FWIW, steroids are ILLEGAL....as in AGAINST THE LAW. So complain all you want about congress getting involved, but they are investigating actual legal matters.

[BisonBacker]

Pete Rose should be in the HOF before these schmucks.

What he did on the field was incredible.

^^^^^Winner Winner Chicken Dinner^^^^^

[TheDancinMonarch]

Point of clarification....

He was found not guilty of perjury....not not guilty of using steroids.



Also, FWIW, steroids are ILLEGAL....as in AGAINST THE LAW. So complain all you want about congress getting involved, but they are investigating actual legal matters.

I do not advocate lying. I just think that there is a certain irony with being charged with "lying to Congress". As if the 535 "honorables" there have never twisted the truth into a pretzel. And their lying in much worse, in my opinion, as they are lying to the people they represent for the enrichment of their, the "honorables", benefactors.

[Gil Dobie]

Pete Rose should be in the HOF before these schmucks.

What he did on the field was incredible.

Add Shoeless Joe Jackson to that list.

[TheRevSFA]

Add Shoeless Joe Jackson to that list.

They never proved that Shoeless Joe threw the series.

[NHwildEcat]

They never proved that Shoeless Joe threw the series.

No but he had a lifetime ban from the game.

[asumike83]

Also, FWIW, steroids are ILLEGAL....as in AGAINST THE LAW. So complain all you want about congress getting involved, but they are investigating actual legal matters.

Very true. However, everything that is illegal is not necessarily worthy of an investigation by Congress and an investment of $3 Million in taxpayers' money. With all the other problems that our lawmakers and politicians should be addressing, I don't think that steroid use in baseball should be on the radar. Just seems like a waste of valuable resources.

[BisonFan02]

A juiced Clemens pitched against juiced players...the whole era is one big *