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BLUE TIGER
June 14th, 2006, 01:42 AM
Officials root for new stadium

Some say demolition best option

By Michael Wallace
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Despite spending almost $15 million for renovations to two of Jackson's tradition-rich sports facilities, some state and local leaders are ready to tear them down.

State Rep. John Reeves, R-Jackson, wants to bulldoze 65-year-old Mississippi Veterans Memorial Stadium and build a $60 million to $70 million football stadium on or near Jackson State University.

Jackson Mayor Frank Melton wants Smith-Wills Stadium, a 31-year-old baseball stadium, razed and replaced with a multi-purpose arena in an effort to attract a minor league football team.

Melton and Reeves believe the projects, separately proposed, would bring people downtown after-hours.

"Not only is something like this realistic, it's also necessary," Reeves said. "People have come to realize we can't just sit back and let our capital city slide into complete decay.

"Jackson needs inner-city redevelopment. New sports facilities, naturally, attract a lot of people that go and spend money."

Reeves said he will introduce two bills in the January legislative session. One would allow the state to tear down Veterans Stadium and use the site, located across State Street from University of Mississippi Medical Center, for potential UMC expansion.

The other proposal would seek a $60 million bond that would help build a 45,000-seat stadium at JSU, which has played its home football games at Memorial Stadium since 1967. Reeves said the bond would be repaid by the state - likely over a period of up to 20 years - with money generated from a combination of stadium, tax and tourism revenue.

State House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Percy Watson, D-Hattiesburg, said there might be some opposition in the Senate to the project. "But if they see this as something that would benefit UMC and JSU it should go through," he said.

But some people question why the state would spend $14 million in stadium upgrades during the past five years only to rip it apart.

"Why would anyone go waste the taxpayers' money like that?" said Watt Whatley, director of state-owned Memorial Stadium. "No one has come to me with any discussions about this. This kind of stuff really makes you wonder."

House Speaker Billy McCoy, D-Rienzi, said the Legislature has "a long-term bond finance program" for such projects. The program was used to help develop the Nissan plant that opened in 2003 near Canton, along with the construction and renovation of state government buildings, McCoy said.

"There's been much talk over the last few years about what's best for JSU - to totally renovate what's there or to start over and build a new one," McCoy said. "That talk is still ongoing. What I know, as well as a lot of others, is that JSU deserves and must have a very complete, usable and competitive facility. It's going to cost a lot of money either way you go."

Neither stadium turns an annual profit, facility officials said.

Jackson businessman Con Maloney, who is with an ownership group that schedules events at Smith-Wills, said his group has to generate about $100,000 a year through events to break even.

Whatley said Memorial Stadium typically makes enough from JSU home games and the state high school football championships to cover operating expenses. But Whatley also said the stadium could generate about $300,000 in revenues this year, mostly from an Aug. 26 National Football League preseason game between the New Orleans Saints and the Indianapolis Colts.

Football is the driving force behind both proposed new facilities. Melton wants an arena to help attract a team that would play minor league indoor football in a league known as Arenafootball2.

The city recently spent about $1 million on renovations at the stadium, including the installation of artificial turf.

Since it opened in 1975, the city-owned baseball stadium primarily has been used by minor-league baseball teams. The field has been used for a variety of purposes since the Jackson Senators disbanded after the 2005 season.

Melton would not discuss specific arena plans, how much the project might cost or what team the city will try to attract. "But it's almost a done deal and everything will be a go," he said. "I've been told to sit down and shut up about this, so there's not much I can say."

Marshand Crisler, Jackson City Council president, said he's heard talk about a team potentially moving to Jackson but nothing about an arena. "We're not that far down the road with anything like that, as far as I know," Crisler said.

Maloney said he's heard only "speculation" about an arena.

Meanwhile, talk of tearing down the football stadium is old news.

Whatley said the state conducted a feasibility study 10 years ago.

"From what I recall, it was going to cost $77 million to build a new stadium in 1996 and it was going to take $30 million to fix the stadium we had," Whatley said.

Memorial Stadium thrived decades ago when it was host to University of Mississippi and Mississippi State University football games. But as stadiums on the two campuses expanded - including the addition of lucrative luxury suites, amenities Memorial Stadium lacks - the Jackson stadium lost much of its appeal.

JSU, the state's only Division I or Division I-AA school without an on-campus stadium, became Memorial Stadium's main tenant. "We have needed our own stadium for a long time," JSU President Ronald Mason Jr. said. "It would be one of the biggest investments in this state, Nissan (plant) not withstanding."

Attendance at JSU games has dropped recently, in line with the teams' three consecutive losing seasons. The Tigers drew just 2,700 for one game last season and averaged about 10,000 per game. Historically, the team has drawn well, leading the nation's Division I-AA schools several times in the 1990s with an average of more than 30,000 fans per game.

Several college stadiums have been built similar to what proponents of a JSU stadium envision. Southern Methodist University built a 32,000-seat stadium in Dallas for a reported $43 million in 2000, while the University of Connecticut spent $70 million for a 35,000-seat stadium that opened in 2003.

Mason said he's taking the prospect of a new stadium "a little more serious" this time because the project would be linked to potential UMC growth. UMC Vice Chancellor Dr. Dan Jones told a group of business and community leaders in January the campus needed to expand to include a new research park. Mason said he was even more encouraged after speaking recently with Gov. Haley Barbour about it.

However, Barbour's spokesman, Pete Smith, said the governor did not recall talking to Mason about any stadium plans.

"It wasn't an official conversation, so he probably doesn't remember it," Mason said when informed of Barbour's response. "We spoke more in passing at a dinner function. But I think this is a great idea and is something that should go through ... it's become clear to everyone that the only place for the medical center to expand is where the old stadium is now."

State money was used to help build campus stadiums at MSU, Ole Miss and the University of Southern Mississippi. But much of the cost of expanding and renovating over the years has come largely from private donations.

Alcorn State received $9.4 million for its stadium in 1992 and Delta State received $1 million in 1999, said Annie Mitchell, a spokeswoman for the state College Board.

Reeves said JSU is overdue.

"Building JSU a stadium would help to correct historical underfunding of one of the state's comprehensive universities," Reeves said. "It's only been within the last 10 years that JSU has received the attention that a state comprehensive university deserves. JSU deserves a campus stadium just like Ole Miss, Mississippi State and Southern Miss."

Rep. Jim Evans, D-Jackson, is confident the Legislature will support funding for a new stadium, one he believes will be on course to open near downtown by the 2009 football season. Reeves, a white Republican who graduated from Ole Miss, and Evans, a black Democrat who graduated from South Carolina State, said the idea of a downtown stadium for JSU is gaining support in the Legislature across race and party lines.

Add those who support UMC's potential expansion onto land now occupied by Memorial Stadium, and there should be enough leverage for everything to fall into place, Evans said.

"So many forces are ready to come together," said Evans, whose district includes part of the JSU campus. "In this case, it's driven by forces stronger than just those who want a stadium at JSU."

BLUE TIGER
June 14th, 2006, 01:44 AM
On-campus stadium right move for JSU

By Eric Stringfellow
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Stadium director Watt Whatley posed a great question when he asked why raze Mississippi Veterans Memorial Stadium after investing $14 million in renovations.

The problem is Whatley's timing. Questions were raised about the expenditures before they were made and while the work - done in stages - was under way. This exercise was like paying millions to amputate a thoroughbred's leg rather than put the animal out of its misery.

Propping up a race horse would be unthinkable, as should be propping up an aged, ill-suited and outdated facility anchored on high-dollar real estate. The stadium should be history. Continuing to invest tax dollars on the facility would be irresponsible.

It's refreshing that the state's leadership is recognizing that it's time for Memorial Stadium's eulogy and it's time to resurrect an on-campus football stadium at Jackson State University. This would be a tremendous boost for west Jackson, and it just makes sense.

REEVES ON TARGET

The great stadium debate, conversation fodder in the 2006 Legislature, as well as other circles, became public with state Rep. John Reeves' assessment that Memorial Stadium should be razed.

Reeves, a Jackson Republican, believes the land where the stadium sits should be used for projects at the University of Mississippi Medical Center. He also believes another 45,000-seat stadium should be constructed on or near the JSU campus.

Reeves, who said he plans to introduce legislation in the 2007 Legislature to address both proposals, is right.

Memorial Stadium was never meant for Jackson State's use. Even its expansion from 46,000 seats to 62,000 in the late 1970s was designed to accommodate Ole Miss, Mississippi State and the University of Southern Mississippi.

These institutions came to realize, however, that it's more profitable to invest and play on campus. Jackson State has come to the same realization, but it razed Alumni Field in the mid-1970s to build an academic building.

BIG DISCONNECT

Jackson State should have its own facility for a variety of reasons, most of which are economic.

The university should control all of the revenues the stadium generates - parking, concessions, tailgating fees and tickets. At Memorial Stadium, that's controlled by Whatley and the Stadium Commission. JSU, frankly, is being cheated.

There is a huge disconnect between the campus and the stadium, which is across town. Football Saturdays at JSU should be like all other state schools: Centered on the campus were students can walk to games.

The stadium also would tie in well with development on downtown Jackson's western edge. It would be a huge economic generator in the fall. Memorial Stadium is full of memories from JSU football, including the Walter Payton era. Some fans wince at watching the stadium battle the bulldozer.

But the arrangement between the university and the stadium commission does not favor JSU. Giving the stadium to JSU, considering its age and location, also would be unfair and impractical.

Writing its obituary makes the most sense.

*****
June 14th, 2006, 02:12 AM
Cool, Blue Tiger!

WELCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For future reference please only post a paragraph or two and the link to the full article (copyright police are watching). I found this after we talked: Officials root for new Jackson State stadium (http://anygivensaturday.com/ralphblog/article.php?story=20060419234805795) :doh:

The Clarion Ledger has been added to the FAN ZONE at I-AA.org (how did it slip through until now???).

http://www.i-aa.org/section_front.asp?arttypeid=594

Really, welcome Blue Tiger and I look forward to your continued involvement with this national I-AA community.

BLUE TIGER
June 14th, 2006, 09:18 AM
No problem Ralph and thanks for the great insight!

*****
June 14th, 2006, 09:41 AM
Reeves said he will introduce two bills in the January legislative session. One would allow the state to tear down Veterans Stadium and use the site, located across State Street from University of Mississippi Medical Center, for potential UMC expansion.

The other proposal would seek a $60 million bond that would help build a 45,000-seat stadium at JSU, which has played its home football games at Memorial Stadium since 1967. Reeves said the bond would be repaid by the state - likely over a period of up to 20 years - with money generated from a combination of stadium, tax and tourism revenue.So does have a real chance of passing?

BLUE TIGER
June 14th, 2006, 05:07 PM
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006604300383

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006606100347

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060225/OPINION01/602250392/1008/OPINION

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060122/NEWS010504/601220358

Read this and tell me what you think. The decision has already been made not to throw money into the fire. UMC(Ole Miss) needs the land badly because they're landlocked and the only object thats in the way is Veterans Stadium(VET). UMC wants to pump $800 million into the land currently occupied by the VET. They have some new trauma center they want to build on that land. The plan is to have a new stadium for JSU by the start of the 2009 football season.

"Add those who support UMC's potential expansion onto land now occupied by Memorial Stadium, and there should be enough leverage for everything to fall into place, Evans said".

"So many forces are ready to come together," said Evans, whose district includes part of the JSU campus. "In this case, it's driven by forces stronger than just those who want a stadium at JSU."

In other words this is going to happen regardless of preferable opinions.

89Hen
June 14th, 2006, 05:23 PM
The other proposal would seek a $60 million bond that would help build a 45,000-seat stadium at JSU...

Attendance at JSU games has dropped recently, in line with the teams' three consecutive losing seasons. The Tigers drew just 2,700 for one game last season and averaged about 10,000 per game. Historically, the team has drawn well, leading the nation's Division I-AA schools several times in the 1990s with an average of more than 30,000 fans per game.
I think this is an important point. I've always been a proponent of having a stadium that you can fill at least on occassion. I know the JSU/SU game may have more than 45,000 but it's good to create a demand by cutting supply IMO and I think a 45,000 seater is too big. 35,000 is a much better number for a team in JSU's average. If UD were to ever build I think I'd hate to see anything bigger then that.

BTW, I had never seen SMU's stadium. Pretty, but look how far away those top seats are.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/texas/university_park_ford1.jpg

jstate83
June 14th, 2006, 05:28 PM
So does have a real chance of passing?

It's more of a question if they are ready to build JSU a stadium RIGHT NOW......as opposed to 5 years from now.

People tried to tell them in 1996 that the best thing to do was build JSU a stadium. But at that time, University Hospital had all the undevoloped land they needed......................thus tearing down Memorial was not high on their list even though they wanted the land.

Now with all the building going on from Downtown thru Jackson State, they have realized that a stadium with at least 40,000 seats on campus, similar in design to the one UCONN or SMU has would fit nicely to anchor the west side of JSU and actually HELP the city more in that location than transporting everything down to Memorial on Saturday night.

The size is one of the main sticking point's. They know there is no need to build JSU a 20 or 25 thousand seat stadium..................Waste of money.

40,000 would be the right fit for us.
For the bigger games fan wise................(Southern, Alcorn, Valley)........there would be no problem bringing in 10,000 temporary bleecher seats to raise the gate to 50,000 for those games.

It's going to happen................It's just a question of when.

jstate83
June 14th, 2006, 05:38 PM
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006604300383


http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060225/OPINION01/602250392/1008/OPINION

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=2476910

Read this and tell me what you think. The decision has already been made not to throw money into the fire. UMC(Ole Miss) needs the land badly because they're landlocked and the only object thats in the way is Veterans Stadium(VET). UMC wants to pump $800 million into the land currently occupied by the VET. They have some new trauma center they want to build on that land. The plan is to have a new stadium for JSU by the start of the 2009 football season. Add those who support UMC's potential expansion onto land now occupied by Memorial Stadium, and there should be enough leverage for everything to fall into place, Evans said.

"So many forces are ready to come together," said Evans, whose district includes part of the JSU campus. "In this case, it's driven by forces stronger than just those who want a stadium at JSU."

In other words this is going to happen regardless of preferable opinions.

UMC is even more land-locked now.

Did you see what some private developers are going to do with the land between State St., and Murrah Highschool.

High rise condos, hotel's, apartments, and shopping...............pumping about $300 million into that project.

89Hen
June 14th, 2006, 05:41 PM
This may be a stupid question, but can Jackson really support a new stadium a new arena for a professional football team (I assume they're talking arena football)? I don't know much about Jackson, but it seems to be similar in size to Wilmington, DE. I guess the major difference is that Jackson must be the main attraction for the entire area where as Wilmington is practically a suburb of Philadelphia.

jstate83
June 14th, 2006, 05:53 PM
This may be a stupid question, but can Jackson really support a new stadium a new arena for a professional football team (I assume they're talking arena football)? I don't know much about Jackson, but it seems to be similar in size to Wilmington, DE. I guess the major difference is that Jackson must be the main attraction for the entire area where as Wilmington is practically a suburb of Philadelphia.

YES...................Jackson is the Capitol of Mississippi.

It has about 220,000 people living WITHIN the city limit's of Jackson.
The sorrounding burbs.................Madison, Richland, Clinton, Byram, and Pearl has about 300,000 combined...................A little under/over a half million in the Jackson area.

Probably the ONLY reason this area is not the main attraction for the STATE is that gamming is only allowed in coastal or "Mississippi River" counties.

They, (casino's), want Jackson and Madison BAAAAAD.

BLUE TIGER
June 14th, 2006, 06:48 PM
I think this is an important point. I've always been a proponent of having a stadium that you can fill at least on occassion. I know the JSU/SU game may have more than 45,000 but it's good to create a demand by cutting supply IMO and I think a 45,000 seater is too big. 35,000 is a much better number for a team in JSU's average. If UD were to ever build I think I'd hate to see anything bigger then that.

BTW, I had never seen SMU's stadium. Pretty, but look how far away those top seats are.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/texas/university_park_ford1.jpg



Now you just can't post that photo and not include what comes with the stadium. This is what SMU got for $43 million. On the other hand JSU receiving a 45,000 seat stadium is great and I wouldn't want it any less or more.

Click the links below to see whats included in the $43 million stadium.

http://smumustangs.collegesports.com/facilities/lloyd-center.html

http://smumustangs.collegesports.com/facilities/heritage-hall.html

http://smumustangs.collegesports.com/facilities/strength-center.html

http://smumustangs.collegesports.com/facilities/training-center.html

http://smumustangs.collegesports.com/facilities/stadium-club.html

http://smumustangs.collegesports.com/boosters/smu-altshuler.html

http://smumustangs.collegesports.com/facilities/doak-walker-plaza.html

http://smumustangs.collegesports.com/facilities/ford-stadium.html

BLUE TIGER
June 14th, 2006, 06:57 PM
UMC is even more land-locked now.

Did you see what some private developers are going to do with the land between State St., and Murrah Highschool.

High rise condos, hotel's, apartments, and shopping...............pumping about $300 million into that project.


Yes and this is great because we are on our way to receiving a state of the art stadium.

Go...gate
June 14th, 2006, 07:18 PM
Sounds like great news for JSU - and that SMU ballpark looks just fine, much nicer than Rutgers Stadium, for example, which has a similar seating capacity.

Mr. Tiger
June 14th, 2006, 11:50 PM
It sounds good, but it may be a while before this happens. It would take a lot of bond money to get the old stadium torn down and build JSU a new stadium close to or on the campus. And 35,000 is too small. We have averaged that amount or more on several occasions in the past. I expect JSU to average that or more this year with Southern (60,000 estimated) and Alcorn (40,000 estimated). We took three years off dealing with a bad coach, so attendance suffered. 45,000 with room for temp seating would be ideal because for special games like Southern it would still be sold out, meaning season ticket sales would still go up. The stadium we play in now seats 62,000.

MplsBison
June 15th, 2006, 06:34 AM
Now you just can't post that photo and not include what comes with the stadium. This is what SMU got for $43 million. On the other hand JSU receiving a 45,000 seat stadium is great and I wouldn't want it any less or more.

Click the links below to see whats included in the $43 million stadium.

http://smumustangs.collegesports.com/facilities/lloyd-center.html

http://smumustangs.collegesports.com/facilities/heritage-hall.html

http://smumustangs.collegesports.com/facilities/strength-center.html

http://smumustangs.collegesports.com/facilities/training-center.html

http://smumustangs.collegesports.com/facilities/stadium-club.html

http://smumustangs.collegesports.com/boosters/smu-altshuler.html

http://smumustangs.collegesports.com/facilities/doak-walker-plaza.html

http://smumustangs.collegesports.com/facilities/ford-stadium.html


That's a damn nice complex.

You'd think that SMU would start winning some more games?

DFW HOYA
June 15th, 2006, 06:52 AM
BTW, I had never seen SMU's stadium. Pretty, but look how far away those top seats are.

The stadium is dug in, so the top seats are actually much closer than that photo appears.

GeauxColonels
June 15th, 2006, 10:42 AM
I have always been a BIG proponent of on-campus stadiums. I feel that SMU made a very smart move and Jackson St. would be very smart to follow suit. I think it definitely adds to the game-day atmosphere and its a great recruiting tool for your school. Fans that attend the game can view the University's campus and see what JSU has to offer. It can be a much bigger recruiting tool for non-athletes than most people realize.

89Hen
June 15th, 2006, 10:52 AM
It has about 220,000 people living WITHIN the city limit's of Jackson.
The sorrounding burbs.................Madison, Richland, Clinton, Byram, and Pearl has about 300,000 combined...................A little under/over a half million in the Jackson area.
Very similar to Wilmington, DE. New Castle County has 523,000 residents in 426 square miles and Hinds/Rankin/Madison Counties have 465,000 residents in 2,361 square miles. Wilmington has a Minor League baseball team, but I can't imagine them supporting much more than that, that's why I questioned whether Jackson could.

BLUE TIGER
June 15th, 2006, 10:54 AM
The stadium is dug in, so the top seats are actually much closer than that photo appears.


You are correct my friend. Fans get something special, too: From the west side suites and club seats in the horseshoe-shaped stadium, they can see the entire campus. 260,000 cu.yd. (198,800 cu.m.) of earth excavated

BLUE TIGER
June 15th, 2006, 11:09 AM
Check out this video and you'll know why on campus stadiums are important. Open link and click on stadium video. http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8400&ATCLID=284865

Mr. Tiger
June 15th, 2006, 11:20 AM
Very similar to Wilmington, DE. New Castle County has 523,000 residents in 426 square miles and Hinds/Rankin/Madison Counties have 465,000 residents in 2,361 square miles. Wilmington has a Minor League baseball team, but I can't imagine them supporting much more than that, that's why I questioned whether Jackson could.

You are right, 89Hen. But the arena football team would be Arena2, which is the minor league of Arena football. Not exactly BIG TIME. They don't need many fans to break even. The area also has a new Double-A baseball team, the Mississippi Braves, Atlanta's farm team.