NDSU = MAC ATTACK?

[LakesBison]

with temple leaving and NDSU already dominating the MAC

(with 2 wins vs Central Mich & Ball State)

NDSU recruiting Illinois, Wisconsin more and more, the MAC is looking great!



(even though summit basketball is better and mvfc is better)


If I was NDSU, I would make the calls to the MAC, get an offer and then force the MVC to take NDSU all sports.

[clenz]

If I was NDSU, I would make the calls to the MAC, get an offer and then force the MVC to take NDSU all sports.

Have fun in the MAC.

[Twentysix]

haha lock it before epicness begins please. xpeacex

[Silenoz]

Ewwwwwww

[NoDak 4 Ever]

http://chzjustcapshunz.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/funny-captions-stupid-is-too-small-a-word-for-what-you-have-just-said.jpg

[WH49er]

haha lock it before epicness begins please. xpeacex

Let the ****fest commence xsmileyclapx

[TheRevSFA]

with temple leaving and NDSU already dominating the MAC

(with 2 wins vs Central Mich & Ball State)

NDSU recruiting Illinois, Wisconsin more and more, the MAC is looking great!



(even though summit basketball is better and mvfc is better)


If I was NDSU, I would make the calls to the MAC, get an offer and then force the MVC to take NDSU all sports.

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/1/a/1a779_ORIG-cool_story_bro9.jpg

[ursus arctos horribilis]

This will fizzle before page 3 because lakes makes no attempt to have a strain of logic behind his stuff sometimes like this and he can't hold his audience.

Even Lakes knows that the MAC is not a corrot to be lured in front of anyone at this point as a "step up".

His strategic underpinning shows a lot more about how much he envies the MVC.

[Cleets]

What's the MVC...?

[clenz]

What's the MVC...?
Missouri Valley Conference.....


It is the all sports conference that UNI, SIU, MSU, ISUB, ISUR all belong too. Very very very strong conference in every area. The Dakota schools have been trying to get into it since D1 was announced...the problem is the Valley is a HUGE step up in competition/where the dakota schools are in athletics and very stable and comfortable where they are at number/memberwise....


The Missouri Valley Conference (also called MVC or simply "The Valley") is a college athletic conference whose members are located in the midwestern United States. The conference participates in the NCAA's Division I.
Founded in 1907 as the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association (MVIAA), the MVC is the nation's second oldest Division I collegiate athletic conference. However, some consider the MVC to have been formed from a split of the MVIAA in 1928. Most of the larger MVIAA schools formed a conference that retained the MVIAA name and would ultimately become the Big Eight Conference. The smaller schools, plus Oklahoma A&M (now Oklahoma State University, which ultimately [re]joined the Big Eight in 1957), formed the MVC. During the Big Eight's existence, both conferences claimed 1907 as their founding date, as well as the same history through 1927. It has never been definitively established which conference is the original and which is the spin-off.
During the 2006–2007 college basketball season, MVC teams held a 74–27 non-conference record, including a record of 44–1 at home. The Valley finished in the Top 6 of the RPI and ahead of a BCS conference for the second consecutive year, while also garnering multiple NCAA bids for the ninth straight year and 12th of 14.[1]
The MVC has not sponsored football since 1985, when it was classified as a I-A (now FBS) conference, but five members have football programs in the Missouri Valley Football Conference (known as the Gateway from 1985–2008) of Division I FCS (formerly I-AA), and a sixth competes in another FCS conference, the Pioneer Football League. The Missouri Valley Conference shares its name with the Missouri Valley Football Conference, and the two also operate from the same headquarters complex in St. Louis. However, the two are separate administratively.

Institution location year founded public/private enrollment nickman year joined MVC
Bradley University Peoria Illinois 1897 Private 6,100 Braves 1948
Creighton University Omaha Nebraska 1878 Private 7,300 Bluejays 19771
Drake University Des Moines Iowa 1881 Private 5,200 Bulldogs 19072
University of Evansville Evansville Indiana 1854 Private 3,050 Purple Aces & Lady Aces 1994
Illinois State University Normal Illinois 1857 Public 20,800 Redbirds 1981
Indiana State University Terre Haute Indiana 1865 Public 10,760 Sycamores 1977
Missouri State University Springfield Missouri 1905 Public 20,800 Bears & Lady Bears 1990
University of Northern Iowa Cedar Falls Iowa 1876 Public 15,000 Panthers 1991
Southern Illinois University Carbondale Illinois 1869 Public 20,900 Salukis 1975
Wichita State University Wichita Kansas 1895 Public 15,000 Shockers 1945

[clenz]

As you can see the only Dakota schools that really fit the foot print are the SD's....


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/MissouriValleyLocations.png

[darell1976]

As you can see the only Dakota schools that really fit the foot print are the SD's....


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/MissouriValleyLocations.png


So its not good having one team outside the footprint...where have I heard that before?

[Cleets]

Missouri Valley Conference.....
Louis. However, the two are separate administratively.

Bradley University Peoria Illinois 1897 Private 6,100 Braves 1948
Creighton University Omaha Nebraska 1878 Private 7,300 Bluejays 19771
Drake University Des Moines Iowa 1881 Private 5,200 Bulldogs 19072
University of Evansville Evansville Indiana 1854 Private 3,050 Purple Aces & Lady Aces 1994
Illinois State University Normal Illinois 1857 Public 20,800 Redbirds 1981
Indiana State University Terre Haute Indiana 1865 Public 10,760 Sycamores 1977
Missouri State University Springfield Missouri 1905 Public 20,800 Bears & Lady Bears 1990
University of Northern Iowa Cedar Falls Iowa 1876 Public 15,000 Panthers 1991
Southern Illinois University Carbondale Illinois 1869 Public 20,900 Salukis 1975
Wichita State University Wichita Kansas 1895 Public 15,000 Shockers 1945

So basically the "Armpit" conference..?




:D

[clenz]

If it wasn't for WSU being in the conference as long as they have they wouldn't be in it right now I'd bet.

The MVC is based in St. Louis (pretty much every conference tourney is in St. Louis or St. Charles which is on the NW side of STL), and Doug Elgin (the comish) has said 10 teams is the best number of teams to have and he will keep it that way as long as he can.


The only hope (not to bring the other thread to this thread) for any of the Dakota schools is there is a massive realignment and schools like Creighton, Wichita State, and Missouri State leave the conference. The thing with MSU leaving is that I don't think ISUr and SIU would be far behind...and honestly I think UNI would be involved in that as well. I have no "proof" of this but if the conference sticks together another 4-5 years I would be that SIU, UNI, ISUR, and MSU (maybe ISUB) would be a package deal.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

If Temple doesn't join the Big East I hope they stay in the MAC rather than move to CUSA. The MAC honestly isn't as bad as many make it out to be. The conference went 4-1 in bowls this season. NIU, Toledo and Ohio are solid top 40 programs and would/do kick the crap out of good FCS teams. Also, the schools, for the most part, are very good academically.

[clenz]

Also, honestly, it's not really good to have one team be a big outlier. WSU is the outlier in the MVC, but MSU is right there with them(ish) They make real good travel partners for the lower level olympic sports.

Drake/CU (2 hours), UNI/Bradley (3.5hours), ISUR/ISUB (2.5 hours), Evansville/SIU (2 hours) MSU/WSU (4.5 hours)

[darell1976]

If Temple doesn't join the Big East I hope they stay in the MAC rather than move to CUSA. The MAC honestly isn't as bad as many make it out to be. The conference went 4-1 in Bowls this season. NIU, Toledo and Ohio are solid top 40 programs and would/do kick the crap out of good FCS teams.Also, the schools, for the most part, are very good academically.

The NCAA needs to enforce the attendance rule and boot Eastern Michigan out. That would open a spot up in the MAC.

[clenz]

If Temple doesn't join the Big East I hope they stay in the MAC rather than move to CUSA. The MAC honestly isn't as bad as many make it out to be. The conference went 4-1 in Bowls this season. NIU, Toledo and Ohio are solid top 40 programs and would/do kick the crap out of good FCS teams. Also, the schools, for the most part, are very good academically.
I wouldn't mind seeing UNI take a football only invite to the MAC....However, I'm strong opposed to leaving the MVC as it currently sits.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Also, honestly, it's not really good to have one team be a big outlier. WSU is the outlier in the MVC, but MSU is right there with them(ish) They make real good travel partners for the lower level olympic sports.

Drake/CU (2 hours), UNI/Bradley (53.5hours), ISUR/ISUB (2.5 hours), Evansville/SIU (2 hours) MSU/WSU (4.5 hours)

When you are as broke as UNI, you need as many bus trips as you can get.

[clenz]

When you are as broke as UNI, you need as many bus trips as you can get.

It isn't UNI...it's the state of Iowa.


However, you are correct....There are only 2 non-bus games each year for UNI is most sports. MSU and WSU.


However, UNI has bused to WSU due to weather (2 years ago I believe)

[eagle07]

MAC would be terrible idea, this map below shows the interest level by state for MAC atheltics in a color coded scheme

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Mid-American_Conference_map.png

RED = HIGH INTEREST YELLOW = MEDIUM INTEREST GREEN = MEH......

[JSUBison]

The NCAA needs to enforce the attendance rule and boot Eastern Michigan out. That would open a spot up in the MAC.

Most of the schools average well below 20,000. Exception is Temple and Toledo I believe. I wouldn't wish the MAC on anyone. (No offense UMass.)

[darell1976]

Most of the schools average well below 20,000. Exception is Temple and Toledo I believe. I wouldn't wish the MAC on anyone. (No offense UMass.)

Rule is 15,000...EMU doesn't even hit 10,000.

[clenz]

Rule is 15,000...EMU doesn't even hit 10,000.

They don't enforce the rule, and there are easy ways around it.

EMU 4267 (I **** you not, straight from the NCAA page) Kent State 11587 Idaho 11587 Bowling Green 15007 Ball State 15064 NMSU 15137 NIU 15209 CMU 1509 WKU 15310 ULM 15512 Akron 15734 Nevada 15776 Buffalo 15890


Those are the schools under 16k

[Silenoz]

I think I checked once, and EMU goes back and forth between 5,000 and 20,000 or so. Definitely something afoot there...

[darell1976]

They don't enforce the rule, and there are easy ways around it.

EMU 4267 (I **** you not, straight from the NCAA page) Kent State 11587 Idaho 11587 Bowling Green 15007 Ball State 15064 NMSU 15137 NIU 15209 CMU 1509 WKU 15310 ULM 15512 Akron 15734 Nevada 15776 Buffalo 15890


Those are the schools under 16k

Holy crap!!!! I think DIII teams have more attendance than that.

[clenz]

Holy crap!!!! I think DIII teams have more attendance than that.

9 did last season.

[darell1976]

9 did last season.

Do you have a link for the attendance last season?

[Cleets]

So basically the "Armpit" conference..?




:D

Nobody even flinched at my Troll Bait...
you guys are impossible

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Nobody even flinched at my Troll Bait...
you guys are impossible

I was surprised that clenzy even honored your first one. He threw you a life line and you threw it back to him.

[clenz]

I was surprised that clenzy even honored your first one. He threw you a life line and you threw it back to him.

He's like lakes, but less douchey. You respond once because you feel bad for him....then depending what direction they go after that determines if you continue to respond...


Typically Cleets is a 1 timer

[Twentysix]

He's like lakes, but less douchey. You respond once because you feel bad for him....then depending what direction they go after that determines if you continue to respond...


Typically Cleets is a 1 timer

Don't call my cleetsy a one night stand!

[clenz]

Don't call my cleetsy a one night stand!

Who said anything about a full night...he's more of a wham, bam, thank you ma'am type poster....:D

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[Cleets]

You know, I used to be respected around here..!!!
Now I can't even get a bite on my Troll Bait posts

xshhhx Shhh... I do have a pretty good one going over in the Political forum right now
It's been a long time so I'm a little rusty - I've made a few mistakes - but it's zipping along pretty good

[LakesBison]

Soooo no Mac, Wac for NDSU.....MWC??

the fcs was dominated too quickly, time for a new challenge!!

[frozennorth]

Soooo no Mac, Wac for NDSU.....MWC??

the fcs was dominated too quickly, time for a new challenge!!

what about a three-peat?

[darell1976]

Soooo no Mac, Wac for NDSU.....MWC??

the fcs was dominated too quickly, time for a new challenge!!

How about winning the MVFC without sharing it.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

How about winning the MVFC without sharing it.

He's an idiot but I'll bet that Craig Bohl would share the MVFC every year to win the NC.

[darell1976]

He's an idiot but I'll bet that Craig Bohl would share the MVFC every year to win the NC.

I am sure any coach would. But Lakes wants a new challenge.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I am sure any coach would. But Lakes wants a new challenge.

We should send him to 1st grade, that would be quite the challenge.

[darell1976]

We should send him to 1st grade, that would be quite the challenge.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to NoDak 4 Ever again.

[LakesBison]

how about you 2 challenge yourselves with a paper bag

[clenz]

how about you 2 challenge yourselves with a paper bag

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[LakesBison]

MAC/WAC/MWC just get NDSU into one of them soon please.

[darell1976]

MAC/WAC/MWC just get NDSU into one of them soon please.

Whats the rush Lakes? Don't you want a chance to repeat as FCS champion? How about a chance of representing the Summit League in the Big Dance?

[LakesBison]

OK Urses you are right. if you're not gonna do anything about him... this dunce is going on my ignore list. my god, every post thats an echo/reply with him trying to drag his stupid university into revelancy. argh GO STOCK TARGET !! im done.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

OK Urses you are right. if you're not gonna do anything about him... this dunce is going on my ignore list. my god, every post thats an echo/reply with him trying to drag his stupid university into revelancy. argh GO STOCK TARGET !! im done.

You say that all the time but sadly, it's never true.

[darell1976]

OK Urses you are right. if you're not gonna do anything about him... this dunce is going on my ignore list. my god, every post thats an echo/reply with him trying to drag his stupid university into revelancy. argh GO STOCK TARGET !! im done.

All I did was ask you a question. And what in my question did I bring my university into revalancy?

[LakesBison]

MAC is back?? Youngstown wants back with their rivals Akron & Kent State, and with temple gone, perhaps NDSU & YSU could goto the MAC!

[Twentysix]

MAC is back?? Youngstown wants back with their rivals Akron & Kent State, and with temple gone, perhaps NDSU & YSU could goto the MAC!

That would be horrrrrrrrible travel.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

MAC is back?? Youngstown wants back with their rivals Akron & Kent State, and with temple gone, perhaps NDSU & YSU could goto the MAC!

Actually it would probably mean your worst nightmare. UND in the MVFC.

[LakesBison]

never, no way. Douple/Viverito know what kind of cancer they are.

[darell1976]

Actually it would probably mean your worst nightmare. UND in the MVFC.

Unless UND can get into the MVC for all other sports there is no hurry for us to move to the MVFC. The Big Sky is just fine.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Unless UND can get into the MVC for all other sports there is no hurry for us to move to the MVFC. The Big Sky is just fine.

I get the feeling that UND will start to feel like the lakesbison of the BSC. The red-headed step child.

[MplsBison]

MAC is back?? Youngstown wants back with their rivals Akron & Kent State, and with temple gone, perhaps NDSU & YSU could goto the MAC!

Bowling Green moving to the West division and having UMass and Youngstown be in the East division doesn't look too bad. Gives 14 football teams, 7 in each division.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Mid-American_Conference_locations.png/350px-Mid-American_Conference_locations.png

But it sure as heck does not mean NDSU factors into the MAC equation.

[LakesBison]

MWC, MAC, WAC. ill take anything to get out of fcs.

[clenz]

MVC, MAC, WAC. ill take anything to get out of fcs.

1. MVC won't happen.

2. MVC doesn't have football

3. I'll stop there to save myself time.

[LakesBison]

MWC ****.!

[NIU007]

I hope the MAC doesn't add any more football-only schools, although somebody like NDSU would be interesting football-only. Pretty good hike even from NIU though, and we're sort of an outlier in a Michigan-Ohio conference. If we're going to add a football-only school I'd rather add one on the West end of the conference though. One that's already good at football. We've added Buffalo, Temple, and UMass in recent years.

[BucBisonAtLarge]

YSU would be in the MAC already if the other Ohio public universities present wanted them. YSU has had to cut its own course. I have had a hard time imagining a scenario in which the Penguins make that incremental move.

YSU has made a lot of their time since moving up from Division II to the FCS. Being in the FCS actually distinguishes them from the MAC schools, and playing for a few championships is mighty different from playing the 4th place Big East team in Toronto in January. Check out Marshall and Troy. Are they being discussed beyond their regions the way they were when they were entrants in a national tournament? I don't think so.

[NIU007]

YSU would be in the MAC already if the other Ohio public universities present wanted them. YSU has had to cut its own course. I have had a hard time imagining a scenario in which the Penguins make that incremental move.

YSU has made a lot of their time since moving up from Division II to the FCS. Being in the FCS actually distinguishes them from the MAC schools, and playing for a few championships is mighty different from playing the 4th place Big East team in Toronto in January. Check out Marshall and Troy. Are they being discussed beyond their regions the way they were when they were entrants in a national tournament? I don't think so.

I didn't know who Troy was before they were in FBS, so I think it does help some for name recognition to be in FBS, but then, I tend to follow FBS and not FCS. FCS fans I'm sure were much more familiar with them. I suppose schools get known better by playing big time schools, or by having top players (Marshall with Pennington and Leftwich).

I do wish FBS had a significant playoff like FCS does. The current system is messed up. "Hey everyone, lets take a vote to see who's the best team!"

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I didn't know who Troy was before they were in FBS, so I think it does help some for name recognition to be in FBS, but then, I tend to follow FBS and not FCS. FCS fans I'm sure were much more familiar with them. I suppose schools get known better by playing big time schools, or by having top players (Marshall with Pennington and Leftwich).

I do wish FBS had a significant playoff like FCS does. The current system is messed up. "Hey everyone, lets take a vote to see who's the best team!"

Actually as far as the lower tier FBS and FCS go it really is that you know who you play. At both levels the only people that are gonna know or care about are either regional or conference mates. That's just the way it is. It's probably a big part of the reason you didn't know about Troy before and we really don't follow them now.

FCS fans though know about teams from all across the land in the division. FBS fans don't a lot of intermingling with fans from other schools from what I've seen and they don't care to know a whole lot about the other teams in FBS unless it is a school that gets play of ESPN and so forth.

FCS seems to be a much tighter knit community from end to end than FBS and I like that it is not just isolated to the Griz for instance and I can talk **** with App, Albany, NDSU, etc...

I don't even know how I got off on that tangent. Oh yeah Troy State. I got a cool hat from those guys back in the day.

[LakesBison]

NIU it would be All sports, not football only.
NDSU would compete for title in every sport! Easily.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

NIU it would be All sports, not football only.
NDSU would compete for title in every sport! Easily.

It won't happen. The MAC makes no god damn sense but, then again, neither do you. You are either outrageously stupid or unhinged. I still can't decide.

[Thundar]

It won't happen. The MAC makes no god damn sense but, then again, neither do you. You are either outrageously stupid or unhinged. I still can't decide.

dude for your own sanity and sake put him on ignore, your doing just what he likes by responding.....just saying

[Hammerhead]

I'm good with the FCS and would rather have a chance to win another championship trophy (and host a playoff game or two) vs. playin in some 2nd or 3rd tier bowl game.


MWC, MAC, WAC. ill take anything to get out of fcs.