The Changing Nature Of Need-Based Scholarship Support

[DFW HOYA]

In an era of rising costs, why are six (of seven) Patriot League schools planning to jump into the scholarship pool? This article explains one of the reasons.

"At most Ivy League institutions, families earning less than about $65,000 annually are now asked to make no contribution to their children’s education. Families making $65,000 to $180,000 might be expected to pay 10 percent to 18 percent of their annual income on a sliding scale. Ten years ago, such families would have been expected to pay almost twice as much, and their child would probably have accumulated a debt of about $25,000 after four years."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/23/sports/financial-aid-changes-game-as-sports-teams-in-ivies-rise.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha27

(The seventh school isn't even in the discussion, for a converse of the reasons above: it can't match the Ivy awards and soon won't be able to match the other PL's.)

[DetroitFlyer]

More PL Ivy Envy.... Lehigh did not seem to have too many problems this year....

[BisonHype!]

Hmmm... Interesting. That is a crazy amount to pay a year for college. No doubt your getting a good degree at a premier college, but it is a lot of money for students if your family isn't already wealthy.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

“We’re seeing a significant change in the caliber of the student-athlete,” said Steve Bilsky, the University of Pennsylvania’s athletic director, one of more than 50 Ivy League administrators and coaches interviewed. “It’s not even the same population because the pool has widened. We see a considerable number of student-athletes turning down athletic scholarships from places like Stanford, Northwestern or Duke to come to Penn.”

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“It got to the point where the only elite athletes we could reasonably recruit were either relatively poor or very wealthy,” said Rob Koll, Cornell’s wrestling coach for the last 19 years. “That’s because in either case, money was out of the equation. One kid was going to get full aid from us and the other kid’s family wasn’t much concerned by the cost.

“The new financial-aid policies level the playing field with middle-class recruits. Of course, we still lose recruits all the time.”

Loaded language, this.


At most Ivy League institutions, families earning less than about $65,000 annually are now asked to make no contribution to their children’s education. Families making $65,000 to $180,000 might be expected to pay 10 percent to 18 percent of their annual income on a sliding scale. Ten years ago, such families would have been expected to pay almost twice as much, and their child would probably have accumulated a debt of about $25,000 after four years.

They don't mention that the limits at Harvard, Yale and Princeton are much higher than the other five. It's not even 10% at Harvard over $100,000.


Indeed, no one is predicting that Ivy League football teams will be competing for a national championship any time soon. For starters, they have not been allowed to compete in the postseason for decades. There are other rigorous institutional checks, with Ivy League presidents routinely wielding complete authority over athletics. Last month, Ruth Simmons, the Brown president, announced she was cutting the number of recruited athletes admitted by 20 spots.

Ms. Simmons must be drinking the hater-ade. But I hate when the Times does this - they feel like they need to reassert the idiotic football championship ban for some reason. Why? The postseason football ban by the Ivy League is one of the dumbest restrictions in sports, and there is zero logical justification for it. Why not just say so?

[DFW HOYA]

The postseason football ban by the Ivy League is one of the dumbest restrictions in sports, and there is zero logical justification for it.

Let's restate it for what it is: "The postseason football ban by Harvard-Yale-Princeton is one of the dumbest restrictions in sports, and there is zero logical justification for it."

Remember, mightly Notre Dame banned bowl participation from 1926-1970 under the same premise, until it was in their better interests to do so. When H-Y-P deigns it's in their interest to play amongst the NDSU's and Sam Houston States of the world, that changes.

[Franks Tanks]

Hmmm... Interesting. That is a crazy amount to pay a year for college. No doubt your getting a good degree at a premier college, but it is a lot of money for students if your family isn't already wealthy.

That is why significant aid is offered, even for families that make up to 180k per year at some schools. Read the article.

[MplsBison]

In an era of rising costs, why are six (of seven) Patriot League schools planning to jump into the scholarship pool? This article explains one of the reasons.

"At most Ivy League institutions, families earning less than about $65,000 annually are now asked to make no contribution to their children’s education. Families making $65,000 to $180,000 might be expected to pay 10 percent to 18 percent of their annual income on a sliding scale. Ten years ago, such families would have been expected to pay almost twice as much, and their child would probably have accumulated a debt of about $25,000 after four years."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/23/sports/financial-aid-changes-game-as-sports-teams-in-ivies-rise.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha27

(The seventh school isn't even in the discussion, for a converse of the reasons above: it can't match the Ivy awards and soon won't be able to match the other PL's.)

Hopefully G-town will piss off to the Pioneer League, whose "we're proud of the fact that we don't give a single dollar to the football program but will gladly prop up our basketball programs" model would be warmly received by the school's president.

[BisonHype!]

That is why significant aid is offered, even for families that make up to 180k per year at some schools. Read the article.

I did. Simply making a statement about the tuition. That was all.... kthnx

[DFW HOYA]

Hopefully G-town will piss off to the Pioneer League, whose "we're proud of the fact that we don't give a single dollar to the football program but will gladly prop up our basketball programs" model would be warmly received by the school's president.

Recycling some old posts, there? Georgetown has already said no on that one.

Georgetown's funding model is definitely more Ivy-centric than Pioneer-centric. It's no accident it is scheduling Yale, Brown, and Princeton instead of Campbell, Jacksonville, and Morehead State.

[Engineer86]

More PL Ivy Envy.... Lehigh did not seem to have too many problems this year....

Ivy Envy? That is the faculty only cause they could not get a job there.

[RichH2]

And a Merry Christmas and happy Hannukah to all

[Franks Tanks]

I did. Simply making a statement about the tuition. That was all.... kthnx

I understand, but not all kids are paying 50k per year. In fact a large portion of the student body pays much less. With financial aid the Ivies are actually cheaper than a state school for many families.

[MplsBison]

Recycling some old posts, there? Georgetown has already said no on that one.

Georgetown's funding model is definitely more Ivy-centric than Pioneer-centric. It's no accident it is scheduling Yale, Brown, and Princeton instead of Campbell, Jacksonville, and Morehead State.

G-town isn't going to the Ivy and you don't belong in the Patriot with scholarships - what's a girl to do?