Maine-Georgia Southern: Mr. C's Official Game Thread

[Milktruck74]

Why not the onsides kick?

Onsides vs that thing they are trying to pass off as a kick.....atleast on the Onsides attempt you have a shot at getting the ball back... the field possition is similar.

[Mr. C]

Bad pitch by Shaw on the option and Maine recovers (Sam Shipley) at the 27.

[mainejeff]

About effing time!

[Mr. C]

Aultman another catch for a first down to the UM 37.

[Mr. C]

Same play to Arthur Williams to the 46. Second and one.

[Mr. C]

Time out Maine with GSU threatening to blitz.

[Mr. C]

Brown for a first down to the midfield stripe.

[Mr. C]

Great play fake to Brown and deep ball to Williams is barely overthrown by Smith.

[UMass922]

Ouch, just overthrown there.

[Mr. C]

Nice slant to Sessions for six. Third and four.

[Mr. C]

Blitz and low throw to Sessions is incomplete. Fourth down.

[Jackman]

Do NOT punt.

...

But do not throw to double-covered receivers short of the first down. :(

[Mr. C]

Pass complete to Aultman, but he looks like he is short by a yard.

[mainejeff]

Bad series there by Smith......damn

[Mr. C]

First down GSU at the 42 with 1:04 left in the period.

[Mr. C]

Completed for eight yards by Shaw to the 50.

[Mr. C]

Swoope on the dive for a first down at the UM 44. And that's it for the third quarter.

Georgia Southern 35
Maine 23

[mainejeff]

Maine had their chance to get back into this.........they just haven't played very well today. Smith had to have a 10 today.......and it's been more like a 3.

[Mr. C]

Swoope on the dive for three.

[Mr. C]

Maine had their chance to get back into this.........they just haven't played very well today. Smith had to have a 10 today.......and it's been more like a 3.

A little harsh, except for the two picks.

[Mr. C]

First down for the Eagles at the 28.

[mainejeff]

So Maine can't get to Shaw.......or shut off the corner........christ.

[Mr. C]

A little harsh, except for the two picks.

I think more of the blame rests on the defense.

[mainejeff]

A little harsh, except for the two picks.

OK.......a 5.

[mainejeff]

I think more of the blame rests on the defense.

Maine's secondary has been putrid.

[mainejeff]

Capella with a nice game today.

[Mr. C]

More bad defense on the perimeter for Maine and GSU has a 14-yard gain to the Maine 21.

[mainejeff]

Maine just cannot stop that play! What the F is Maine's D thinking..........????

[mainejeff]

Get up there secondary!!!

[Mr. C]

Shaw on the follow ... measurement.

[HailSzczur]

Hope Maine can rally back, I would hate to see a semi without a CAA team. Last time that happened Appy starting reeling of NCs and I would hate to see Montana, GSU, SHSU, or NDSU/Lehigh start that kind of streak

[Mr. C]

Maine just cannot stop that play! What the F is Maine's D thinking..........????

Kendall James was in position to make a tackle and FELL DOWN.

[Mr. C]

Fourth and inches at the 18.

[Mr. C]

Shaw keeps on the sneak for a first down. Maine needs to force a TO here to stay in this with 11:40 remaining. Ball on the 16.

[mainejeff]

Kendall James was in position to make a tackle and FELL DOWN.

Like I said......secondary has played really poorly.

[Mr. C]

Another false start on GSU. Two on this drive and at least a half-dozen today.

[Mr. C]

Shaw with a poor decision to keep on the option. Crowd wanted a horse-collar penalty.

[Mr. C]

Second and 14 from the 20.

[mainejeff]

Don't touch Shaw, Maine!.........he's GSU royalty!

[Mr. C]

Maine finally covers Bryant on the pitch. Third down and 9 at the 15.

[Cleets]

Don't touch Shaw, Maine!.........he's GSU royalty!




xlolx I know this is Tough Jeff, but at least you're being funny (you're a good sport)

[Jackman]

It's increasingly apparent that a week isn't enough time to prepare for this GSU offense, at least for CAA teams.

[Mr. C]

Swoope on a counter against a Maine blitz. Great play call, but he is tripped up for one. Fourth and eight and Adrian Mora is on for a field goal that misses wide to the left on a 31-yard attempt.

[UMass922]

Maine barely alive . . . no margin for error now, though.

[mainejeff]

TD......then onsides kick........it's the ONLY hope! 4 down time for Maine.........

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

Especially since URI shelved the offense.

[Mr. C]

There is 8:58 left on the fourth-quarter clock. Maine still has a heartbeat.

[Mr. C]

Especially since URI shelved the offense.

Rhode Island didn't have the athletes (or the defense) to run the offense that effectively.

[mainejeff]

Maine needs to chew up the clock here!!!!..........

[kdinva]

It's increasingly apparent that a week isn't enough time to prepare for this GSU offense.......

Or for most any squad.......recently, when VMI ran the T.O. for those 4 years, most of the lousy VMI offensive days were against teams that had an open weekend prior to the game w/VMI.......

[mainejeff]

Bad pass by Smith.

[Mr. C]

Brown pushes off to get open on a wheel route, but the ball is incomplete.

[Mr. C]

TE completion, Perillo for five.

[mainejeff]

Maine needs to get deeper throws off........

[mainejeff]

BIG 3rd down conversion!!!

[Mr. C]

Aultman breaks a tackle and runs to the UM 45 for a 20-yard completion.

[mainejeff]

Smith REALLY tightening up........

[Mr. C]

Ball tipped at the line and almost intercepted by Eubanks again on a pass to Perillo. Blake Riley with the tip.

[Mr. C]

Skinny post to Williams and a nice breakup by Westbrooks.

[mainejeff]

HEADY play by Smith!

[Mr. C]

Smith with a brilliant scramble after great coverage by GSU. First down at the GSU 43. Quick snap and Brown runs to the 34.

[mainejeff]

Run down the clock!.......onsides kick is only hope anyway

[Mr. C]

Injury to Chris Howley, Maine's All-CAA lineman.

[Mr. C]

Brown for a first down to the 30.

[Mr. C]

Personal foul on GSU after the play.

[Mr. C]

Maine has the ball on the 16.

[Mr. C]

Smith with the sprint pass to Sessions at the 10.

[Mr. C]

Six minutes left. Smith mishandles the snap. Ball back to the 17.

[Mr. C]

Smith is hit on the blitz by McKinnon and Aultman just misses the catch

[UMass922]

If they'd just kicked the damn point earlier the FG would still be in play here.

[UMass922]

Ballgame.

[Mr. C]

Pass to Aultman is broken up by Scott after another McKinnon blitz. GSU ball at the 17.

[Mr. C]

5:03 left.

[mainejeff]

Good defensive series by GSU........decent effort by Maine.........the D just couldn't turn up the heat in the 2nd half. Congrats GSU fans.......I don't see anyone beating you.

[Jackman]

Maine needed a better play for these blitzes the past 2 downs.

[Southern Bison]

Looks like GA Southern is flying to Fargo next week. Congrats to GSU.

[Cleets]

Looks like GA Southern is flying to Fargo next week. Congrats to GSU.

Hmmm.... really..?

[Mr. C]

Swoope for six.

[mainejeff]

GSU still getting HUGE chunks of yardage.........

[Mr. C]

Looks like GA Southern is flying to Fargo next week. Congrats to GSU.

Might want to score some points first.

[Mr. C]

Fumble by Shaw is recovered by Maine. Flag down, offsides by Maine (first penalty for Maine, 12 for GSU).

[Mr. C]

First down at the 28 for GSU.

[Mr. C]

Swoope is stuffed. Loss of two.

[Mr. C]

Maine hems in Wilcox on the pitch. Third and eight. Second time out for Maine.

[Jackman]

Last chance for Maine. Stop this 3rd &7.

[Mr. C]

Swoope is swarmed again. Time out for Maine and we will see Charlie Edwards, the All-American GSU punter with 2:48 left.

[mainejeff]

KInda surprised by GSU on that series..........

[Mr. C]

Booming kick by Edwards and a fair catch at the Maine 34.

[mainejeff]

You know what hurt Maine the most............they gave GSU a short field all day.........WAY too much respect given to their return game

[Mr. C]

Perillo can't catch a pass that is broken up by Eubanks.

[Mr. C]

You know what hurt Maine the most............they gave GSU a short field all day.........WAY too much respect given to their return game

Agreed

[mainejeff]

Seriously?

[Mr. C]

McKinnon pushes off a receiver and makes an interception while on the ground.

[kdinva]

..........now, game over.......

[GSUEagle08]

Great game Maine. You're coach and team are class acts.

[Mr. C]

McKinnon is the player of the game. Two picks, two key hurries on the key fourth-quarter drive by Maine.

[Mr. C]

The crowd is shouting "Go home Yankees."

[GSU_Alum08]

McKinnon is the player of the game. Two picks, two key hurries on the key fourth-quarter drive by Maine.

not bad for our backup qb.

[mainejeff]

Maine's got some great young players coming back.......for the first time in a while, Maine may actually have a shot at back to back winning seasons. QB will be the key......

[Mr. C]

The War Between The States (or the War of Northern Aggression as Citdog would say) is still alive.

[mainejeff]

The crowd is shouting "Go home Yankees."

CLASSY! I wouldn't expect anything less from people that would actually vote for Perry!

[Jackman]

Just not good enough today. :(

If GSU wins next week too, it'll be interesting to see whether the long layoff between the semifinals and the championship game makes a difference in how well their opponent defends this offense. Maybe they're good enough that it just doesn't matter.

[kdinva]

IF I had a vote for Coach of Year, Coach Ambrose @ Towson would get mine........Coach Cosgrove 2nd place,

[Mr. C]

Maine's got some great young players coming back.......for the first time in a while, Maine may actually have a shot at back to back winning seasons. QB will be the key......

It was a great, unexpected year for the Black Bears. Much to be proud of for Maine fans.

[mainejeff]

Great game Maine. You're coach and team are class acts.

Too bad we can't say the same thing about your fans......

[Mr. C]

It's a final

Georgia Southern 35
Maine 23

[Mr. C]

IF I had a vote for Coach of Year, Coach Cosgrove would get mine........Coach Ambrose @ Towson 2nd place,

Frankly, I don't know how anyone could not vote for Rob Ambrose of Towson as coach of the year. One win to a CAA title and the first-ever playoff berth for Towson.

[Mr. C]

CLASSY! I wouldn't expect anything less from people that would actually vote for Perry!

They would probably be Gingrich fans in this state.

[Cleets]

The crowd is shouting "Go home Yankees."

They've been shouting that for 150 years...
It's not classless - it's a tradition

[kdinva]

Frankly, I don't know how anyone could not vote for Rob Ambrose of Towson as coach of the year. One win to a CAA title and the first-ever playoff berth for Towson.
I fixed my vote. ;)

[mainejeff]

They've been shouting that for 150 years...
It's not classless - it's a tradition

Well.......they should be happy that the North won.......otherwise they wouldn't have all of those "athletic" football teams down there. ;)

[Mr. C]

The GSU band is playing the old hymn "It Is Well With My Soul."

[McNeese72]

Wait.....does this mean there will not be any CAA teams in the semi-finals???? How is that possible????


Doc

[Cleets]

Well.......they should be happy that the North won.......otherwise they wouldn't have all of those "athletic" football teams down there. ;)

You deserve a medal dude...
you've been pure entertainment and a good sport this whole playoff

[bullitt_60]

Way to go Eagles!

Congratulations to Maine on a terrific season. I know your program has a bunch of new fans in Statesboro.

[mainejeff]

Wait.....does this mean there will not be any CAA teams in the semi-finals???? How is that possible????


Doc

No home games........see other conference records on the road this year. ;)

[Mr. C]

Wait.....does this mean there will not be any CAA teams in the semi-finals???? How is that possible????


Doc

Troll alert

[GSUEagle08]

The GSU band is playing the old hymn "It Is Well With My Soul."

They play it after every win.

Not every GSU fan is trashy or classless, MaineJeff.

[mainejeff]

GSU's coach seems solid.......he's on his way to bigger and better things no doubt. Congrats to GSU.......good luck in the next round.

[Southern Bison]

Hmmm.... really..?

C'mon Cleets! GSU had this wrapped after the 4 & out by Maine with 3 min left and now it's 14-0 Bison! Lehigh isn't coming back and here starts a very long GSU/NDSU preview thread.

[Cleets]

C'mon Cleets! GSU had this wrapped after the 4 & out by Maine with 3 min left and now it's 14-0 Bison! Lehigh isn't coming back and here starts a very long GSU/NDSU preview thread.

I hear you... I'm just being the Devils Advocate

[Mr. C]

C'mon Cleets! GSU had this wrapped after the 4 & out by Maine with 3 min left and now it's 14-0 Bison! Lehigh isn't coming back and here starts a very long GSU/NDSU preview thread.

You obviously haven't seen much of Lehigh.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Today just goes to show you how DUMB it was for GSU AD Sam Baker to junk the triple option after the 2005 season. Hard to prepare for in one week.

Yes.

[ChiefGSU275]

I just left the game, I was sitting on the side of the stadium opposite the pressbox, and didn't hear any 'go home Yankees' chants. I did hear 'season's over' and 'go play hockey'.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

For all the people complaining about false starts in this thread....cry me a river. In many cases it's a judgement call and GSU did not get the benefit of the doubt. How about calling a holding once in a while?

[McNeese72]

Troll alert

Yep, in all my years on FCS (formerly Div I-AA messageboards) starting way back in 1994 on the old AOL Div I-AA messageboards, I've been known as a troll?????

[McNeese72]

Another factoid: After all the *****ing about the game being in Frisco, TX because it wasn't in the geographical center of the FCS universe, that being "the northeast", and, if NDSU continues on to win, three of the teams in the semifinals are from locations closer to Frisco than they are to Chattanooga. The exception being GSU.

Doc

[Cleets]

Another factoid: After all the *****ing about the game being in Frisco, TX because it wasn't in the geographical center of the FCS universe, that being "the northeast", and, if NDSU continues on to win, three of the teams in the semifinals are from locations closer to Frisco than they are to Chattanooga. The exception being GSU.

Doc

I'm diggin' your scene bro...
I think Frisco makes more sense too

[Srdnaty]

Good game guys. You outplayed us. We didn't deserve to win and we only had momentum for a short period. I wish you the best. Looks like we're the only team that's going to challenge a seed this weekend. We were predicted to finish 9th in the CAA and we made it to the quater finals and we had a big win vs app state. A solid year I just hope we build off it. QB is a major question for us next year.

[caribbeanhen]

You obviously haven't seen much of Lehigh.

actually seen enough already, not gonna happen today

[Cat79]

Yep, in all my years on FCS (formerly Div I-AA messageboards) starting way back in 1994 on the old AOL Div I-AA messageboards, I've been known as a troll?????


Doc

He must have you confused with someone else. ???

[ccd494]

Jeesh that's a frustrating offense to watch. GSU runs the **** out of it, too. Unless someone sees them every year, or another triple option team, you aren't going to be able to scheme against it with a week or less of practice. Like someone said before, it could be interesting to see how a team does with that extra time before the championship game.

Regardless, I'm happy with Maine's season. If the Bears can find a QB replacement [maybe dip into that FBS transfer market we hear so much about (hi Delaware!)] they could do it all over again.

[ChiefGSU275]

Jeesh that's a frustrating offense to watch. GSU runs the **** out of it, too.

Beautiful, ain't it? :)

[Srdnaty]

Beautiful, ain't it? :)

Whenever we made what I thought was a good play it was still a 3-4 yard gain. It makes a lot of sense why you run that offense.

[Cleets]

Whenever we made what I thought was a good play it was still a 3-4 yard gain. It makes a lot of sense why you run that offense.

Agreed,
It's the equivalent of watching paint dry - but it wins games - probably this years National Championship game...

[Squealofthepig]

Whenever we made what I thought was a good play it was still a 3-4 yard gain. It makes a lot of sense why you run that offense.

Yeah. It's also excellent in getting a crowd out of a game, as fans quickly pick up that allowing a four yard gain every single time is a recipe for disaster, so in an opposing stadium it's kind of a chinese water torture.

Source: Watching Wofford do it at Wa-Griz and beating us 23-22 (iirc)

[Gringer1]

Agreed,
It's the equivalent of watching paint dry - but it wins games - probably this years National Championship game...

If you know what you're watching, it is really exciting. Also if you like watching a running back out race the whole defense for a 60 yard gain. There are lots of big exciting plays in GSU's offense. And seeing a receiver knock a linebacker over is fun too.

[Cleets]

If you know what you're watching, it is really exciting. Also if you like watching a running back out race the whole defense for a 60 yard gain. There are lots of big exciting plays in GSU's offense. And seeing a receiver knock a linebacker over is fun too.

Oh I get it...
It's just (by all appearances) GSU runs about 6 plays
and that makes for a long three hours

[I-16Bandit]

If you know what you're watching, it is really exciting. Also if you like watching a running back out race the whole defense for a 60 yard gain. There are lots of big exciting plays in GSU's offense. And seeing a receiver knock a linebacker over is fun too.

And every once in a while, a nice 30 yard TD pass to spruce things up. :D

[The Eagle's Cliff]

Agreed,
It's the equivalent of watching paint dry - but it wins games - probably this years National Championship game...

I beg to differ. We're not quite up to speed (literally) yet, especially at QB. I expect some mistakes with the reads and the pitch early in 2012, but the speed at QB, and therefore the rest of the flow, will be wayyyyy faster and add another 1,000 yard rusher to the backfield. This offense usually generates more plays of 20+ yards than that shotgun-look-at-the-sidelines crap everyone else runs.

Besides, we get great athletes who the big boys would want if they had a couple inches more in height and/or 40 lbs more weight. Where it shows up as a disadvantage is on defense against BIG OL.

[ccd494]

And the beauty of it is its rarity. I don't think Maine had seen a true triple team since URI stopped running it a few years ago (and URI was never as quick or skilled as GSU). Obviously, you aren't going to have a "Scheming against the Triple Option" period in practice if you will only see it in the playoffs in theory.

If you had 2 or 3 teams per conference running the triple, I think you would see more teams have success against the teams that run it really well just due to familiarity. It sounds like the Southern has a few triple teams, which probably explains why GSU gets played close a bit more often in the regular season than they do in the playoffs.

[Cleets]

It's entirely based on deception... which is a great way to win games
You see guys running right by the man with the ball - which is probably the most entertaining thing about it
Not the offense itself but what it does to defenses - anytime you can get a middle linebacker to tackle the guy who DOESN'T have the ball you've just increased your chances of being successful

[gsu1moretime]

Maine... had fun with yall today.. even though most of the Maine fans lived in atlanta.. good luck in Hockey.. I'm sure yall will be back stronger next year.

[Gringer1]

It's entirely based on deception... which is a great way to win games
You see guys running right by the man with the ball - which is probably the most entertaining thing about it
Not the offense itself but what it does to defenses - anytime you can get a middle linebacker to tackle the guy who DOESN'T have the ball you've just increased your chances of being successful

The deception element isn't that important. The indispensable thing is perimeter blocking. It doesn't matter if the other team sees the ball. You will not gain yards if you can't hold your blocks and the defense cannot stop you if they can't get to the ball carrier.

[Cleets]

The deception element isn't that important. The indispensable thing is perimeter blocking. It doesn't matter if the other team sees the ball. You will not gain yards if you can't hold your blocks and the defense cannot stop you if they can't get to the ball carrier.

UM..I respectfully disagree (a little bit)
The deception works and is important because if you have a 250lb middle linebacker willingly taking himself out of the play (by tackling the wrong guy) you don't have to account for him - or - in effect you've accounted for him by tricking him
If everybody on the defense KNEW where the ball was - all the time - in the triple option I argue it would be a marginally effective offense

I'm interested in your thoughts on that

[bullitt_60]

Jeesh that's a frustrating offense to watch. GSU runs the **** out of it, too. Unless someone sees them every year, or another triple option team, you aren't going to be able to scheme against it with a week or less of practice. Like someone said before, it could be interesting to see how a team does with that extra time before the championship game.

Regardless, I'm happy with Maine's season. If the Bears can find a QB replacement [maybe dip into that FBS transfer market we hear so much about (hi Delaware!)] they could do it all over again.

You should try to catch a GSU/Wofford game sometime. That's some great smash mouth football.

Looking forward to keeping up with Maine next year. I dig what that program is about. More with less.

[Gringer1]

UM..I respectfully disagree (a little bit)
The deception works and is important because if you have a 250lb middle linebacker willingly taking himself out of the play (by tackling the wrong guy) you don't have to account for him - or - in effect you've accounted for him by tricking him
If everybody on the defense KNEW where the ball was - all the time - in the triple option I argue it would be a marginally effective offense

I'm interested in your thoughts on that

Tricking a defensive player into going the wrong way is certainly a good thing, but I don't think it happens all that much. The option is all about running away from the strength of the defense. If they pinch in, you go outside. If they stack the box, you throw it over their heads. You don't have to trick a defensive player into going the wrong direction when you watch which way he is covering and then go around him. Before the snap, the defense must cover every part of the field: pass, run inside, run outside, pitch. After the snap, the defense reacts to the direction of the offense while still trying to maintain their assignment. There are now only a few defensive players who have a chance to make the stop at all. The receivers and running backs will block some of those players. The quarterback will then either keep the ball or pitch/throw it to another player based on where the remaining defensive players are. The whole idea, once again, being to either block a defender or take him out of the play by going around him.

[eaglesrthe1]

UM..I respectfully disagree (a little bit)
The deception works and is important because if you have a 250lb middle linebacker willingly taking himself out of the play (by tackling the wrong guy) you don't have to account for him - or - in effect you've accounted for him by tricking him
If everybody on the defense KNEW where the ball was - all the time - in the triple option I argue it would be a marginally effective offense

I'm interested in your thoughts on that

It's not about tricking the LB. He should know who his man is and tackle him whether he has the ball or not. He has his man, and his man shouldn't change. That's the key, everyone doing THEIR assignment and trusting their teammate to do theirs.

It's not so much tricking any one. It's about ball movement, a lot like a basketball team having quick perimeter passes and out rotating the defense. GSU doesn't trick opponents, they move the ball faster than the D can react trying to get numerical advantages at the point of attack. A hat on a hat with the ball carrier running free.

[eaglewraith]

Too bad we can't say the same thing about your fans......

Do what now?

[eaglewraith]

It's entirely based on deception... which is a great way to win games
You see guys running right by the man with the ball - which is probably the most entertaining thing about it
Not the offense itself but what it does to defenses - anytime you can get a middle linebacker to tackle the guy who DOESN'T have the ball you've just increased your chances of being successful

Misdirection is a small component.

Using a defense's speed against them is another. You let them go in the direction you want them to go and put the ball in another position.

The biggest thing is that, during the play, the offense READS what the defense is doing. That's why we don't call many audibles. 90% of our plays are reads of what the defense is doing and going to the spot that they're not in. It's not quite the same as on a pass play where you're checking down, you're actively drawing in the defense to a position where you can attack a weakness.

What makes or breaks the success of our offense is making the correct reads and blocking well on the interior to establish the dive and on the perimeter to allow the pitch man to get yards.

And no it's not like watching a slow death. We can score fast. We can score from a long way out. For the uneducated, our offense is a quick strike offense if we choose to run it that way. We can also control the clock. It's very hard to defend because defenses never get hit all over the field like our offense hits them. How many DB's are used to being blocked 20 yards downfield? We make defenders have to THINK about what they're doing instead of reacting to the play. Making them think makes them put themselves out of the play. Run well, this thing is like poetry in motion.

[Eagle22]

Yep, in all my years on FCS (formerly Div I-AA messageboards) starting way back in 1994 on the old AOL Div I-AA messageboards, I've been known as a troll?????

We forgot to tell you ;)

I never saw THAT coming ..... must be a case of mistaken identity.

Hope you are doing well Doc ....

[cmaxwellgsu]

UM..I respectfully disagree (a little bit)
The deception works and is important because if you have a 250lb middle linebacker willingly taking himself out of the play (by tackling the wrong guy) you don't have to account for him - or - in effect you've accounted for him by tricking him
If everybody on the defense KNEW where the ball was - all the time - in the triple option I argue it would be a marginally effective offense

I'm interested in your thoughts on that

The real beauty to me is that it takes so little deception. That little bit of hesitation or going the wrong way for two steps is enough to take a defender out of the play.

[Cleets]

Tricking a defensive player into going the wrong way is certainly a good thing, but I don't think it happens all that much. The option is all about running away from the strength of the defense. If they pinch in, you go outside. If they stack the box, you throw it over their heads. You don't have to trick a defensive player into going the wrong direction when you watch which way he is covering and then go around him. Before the snap, the defense must cover every part of the field: pass, run inside, run outside, pitch. After the snap, the defense reacts to the direction of the offense while still trying to maintain their assignment. There are now only a few defensive players who have a chance to make the stop at all. The receivers and running backs will block some of those players. The quarterback will then either keep the ball or pitch/throw it to another player based on where the remaining defensive players are. The whole idea, once again, being to either block a defender or take him out of the play by going around him.

Fair enough... (I guess)
I would certainly agree it takes a very disciplined defense to stop it - and discipline is hard when reaction time is so important
I still hold this to be true: If everybody on the defense knew where the ball was in a triple option - it would be far less effective
I saw guys running by the ball carrier as well as tackling the wrong guy all day today - that's deception (Period)

I saw Lehigh and NDSU play and nobody on either side tackled the wrong guy or ran right by the guy with the ball...

After I read my own post I'm starting to see the brilliance in it.... (okay I'm sold)

[McNeese72]

We forgot to tell you ;)

I never saw THAT coming ..... must be a case of mistaken identity.

Hope you are doing well Doc ....

There are too few of us still around from that board. You guys never told me I was a troll, you'd just be nice to me and call me a sandbagger. Glad to see you guys at GSU have things back on track. We need to get it back together here at McNeese. I wonder where Elkmcc is, and TPross, etc.


Doc

[Eagle22]

Fair enough... (I guess)
I would certainly agree it takes a very disciplined defense to stop it - and discipline is hard when reaction time is so important
I still hold this to be true: If everybody on the defense knew where the ball was in a triple option - it would be far less effective
I saw guys running by the ball carrier as well as tackling the wrong guy all day today - that's deception (Period)

Isn't that true for any defense ?

There have been a lot of times the last two weeks when I wished our DB's knew where the ball was (flying over their shoulder) :)

[Eagle22]

There are too few of us still around from that board. You guys never told me I was a troll, you'd just be nice to me and call me a sandbagger. Glad to see you guys at GSU have things back on track. We need to get it back together here at McNeese. I wonder where Elkmcc is, and TPross, etc.


Doc

lol, you're no troll :)

Hope you and cbuck are doing well. I need to drop over to Cowboy corner sometime soon ....

[SouthernMan]

Good game Maine! You had us scared and everyone in Paulson stayed till the end. Your guys played hard, played smart, and hit hard. You should have no regrets!

[Tubby Raymond]

Fair enough... (I guess)
I would certainly agree it takes a very disciplined defense to stop it - and discipline is hard when reaction time is so important
I still hold this to be true: If everybody on the defense knew where the ball was in a triple option - it would be far less effective
I saw guys running by the ball carrier as well as tackling the wrong guy all day today - that's deception (Period)

I saw Lehigh and NDSU play and nobody on either side tackled the wrong guy or ran right by the guy with the ball...

After I read my own post I'm starting to see the brilliance in it.... (okay I'm sold)Pretty simplistic evaluation, still need to execute by the players on the field

[Mr. C]

I just left the game, I was sitting on the side of the stadium opposite the pressbox, and didn't hear any 'go home Yankees' chants. I did hear 'season's over' and 'go play hockey'.

The whole STADIUM was chanting that at one point and everyone in the press box heard it and commented on it. I don't make stuff like this up.

[Eaglesrus]

I just left the game, I was sitting on the side of the stadium opposite the pressbox, and didn't hear any 'go home Yankees' chants. I did hear 'season's over' and 'go play hockey'.

Yeah, the students were doing what our students do, i.e. chants like the "go home yankees". The pressbox side (or the old folks side, as some would say) generally doesn't join in on those.

[eaglewraith]

The whole STADIUM was chanting that at one point and everyone in the press box heard it and commented on it. I don't make stuff like this up.

Well they are Yankees.

We could have said go back to Canada...which one would be worse?

[Cleets]

Pretty simplistic evaluation, still need to execute by the players on the field

Thank you for your deep insight as well...

[SouthernMan]

The whole STADIUM was chanting that at one point and everyone in the press box heard it and commented on it. I don't make stuff like this up.

Student section is not the "whole STADIUM". You just made something up.

[Bearwitness]

UM..I respectfully disagree (a little bit)
The deception works and is important because if you have a 250lb middle linebacker willingly taking himself out of the play (by tackling the wrong guy) you don't have to account for him - or - in effect you've accounted for him by tricking him
If everybody on the defense KNEW where the ball was - all the time - in the triple option I argue it would be a marginally effective offense

I'm interested in your thoughts on that
I doubt it would have made any difference in the end, but it should be noted that the linebacker GSU exploited frequently in the first half, Troy Eastman, was making his first start as a Black Bear. Apparently, middle linebacker Arron Achey was injured in the App game or during practice this week. Tough opponent for a first start. After Eastman was hurt and Sam Shipley took his spot they seemed to make more stops on defense. Shipley had made 4 starts already when Achey was out earlier in the season so I'm surprised he wasn't given the nod initially.

Hats off to the Eagles, though. They proved they were the better team, but I can't help but be proud of the way our guys played today. We'll be back.

[TwoFeathers]

Ouch, time-of-possession determined this outcome. Can't say I was surprised. Except I'm sure there are GSU fans screaming again at the refs, since they are not the usual SoCon squad that look past all the false start penalties.

[Squealofthepig]

Ouch, time-of-possession determined this outcome. Can't say I was surprised. Except I'm sure there are GSU fans screaming again at the refs, since they are not the usual SoCon squad that look past all the false start penalties.

And did you see the time of possession in the first half? It was literally a bit better than 25 minutes to 5. Maine's return game kept 'em in it, though, and man was that a great return by Boone (second best play today - I gotta give amazing props to Akpla's amazing catch at SHSU, though - hope everyone has a chance to see the off-the-defender-and-my-helmet-then-behind-my-back-one-handed-catch he made).

[Mr. C]

Student section is not the "whole STADIUM". You just made something up.

It was pretty loud. I don't make things up.

[penguinpower]

Well they are Yankees.

We could have said go back to Canada...which one would be worse?

So I moved down to Ga, and I still don't understand how they are still fighting the Civil War. I have people ask me if Northerners think Southerners are stupid. WFT is that all about? Northerners forgot about about the war long, long ago. You are part of the USA now. I just don't get it.

[Cleets]

So I moved down to Ga, and I still don't understand how they are still fighting the Civil War. I have people ask me if Northerners think Southerners are stupid. WFT is that all about? Northerners forgot about about the war long, long ago. You are part of the USA now. I just don't get it.

I've experience a bit of that as well...
Texas has a similar affliction - but - that said I love the South and I have always been a Big Fan of Texas (Texas women are spectacular human beings)

[penguinpower]

I've experience a bit of that as well...
Texas has a similar affliction - but - that said I love the South and I have always been a Big Fan of Texas (Texas women are spectacular human beings)

I love it here too. Just weird as hell.

[straightshooter]

I love it here too. Just weird as hell.

So how was your overall game experience?

[Cleets]

I love it here too. Just weird as hell.

You of course remember Citdog..? (Of course you do)
That man will forever be fighting the civil war - his own private civil war against the Northern Aggression
But Texas just thinks they're actually another country all by themselves (which is kind of charming in a way)

[Baldy]

It was pretty loud. I don't make things up.
Well, saying the "whole stadium" was chanting it isn't true. Either what you said was a fabrication or you were just plain wrong. You can decide which.

[Tubby Raymond]

Thank you for your deep insight as well...I gotta be drunk for my thinking to be as one dimensional as yours and I was

[Tubby Raymond]

Well.......they should be happy that the North won.......otherwise they wouldn't have all of those "athletic" football teams down there. ;)What's the over/under for when you start calling for Cosgroves job?

[gasoutherneagle]

Was nice to see RALPH at the game today. Looks like Statesboro has put the hook in him. GREAT GAME! Officiating hit & miss (nice no-call on the Shaw horse collar in the 4th, you pigs!), but all in all a good show.

Met some Maine fans that strolled by the ol' tailgate spot from Ft. Lauderdale, shared a beer and a few stories. Good folks, good program, class act! Good luck until next time Maine.

[Eaglesrus]

Oh I get it...
It's just (by all appearances) GSU runs about 6 plays
and that makes for a long three hours

Hey, we threw the ball EIGHT times yesterday! I kept wondering why we were doing that repeatedly? xsmiley_wix

[GATA]

Fair enough... (I guess)
I would certainly agree it takes a very disciplined defense to stop it - and discipline is hard when reaction time is so important
I still hold this to be true: If everybody on the defense knew where the ball was in a triple option - it would be far less effective
I saw guys running by the ball carrier as well as tackling the wrong guy all day today - that's deception (Period)

I saw Lehigh and NDSU play and nobody on either side tackled the wrong guy or ran right by the guy with the ball...

After I read my own post I'm starting to see the brilliance in it.... (okay I'm sold)

And that's why you don't run an offense where the defense knows exactly where the ball is...that's coaching malpractice. Why make it EASY on your opponent? Are you trying to lose?

[eaglewraith]

So I moved down to Ga, and I still don't understand how they are still fighting the Civil War. I have people ask me if Northerners think Southerners are stupid. WFT is that all about? Northerners forgot about about the war long, long ago. You are part of the USA now. I just don't get it.

Just because they're Yankees doesn't mean we're fighting the Civil War still.

Quite a few people I've met from northern states over the years call themselves Yankees. It's the same as being called a Southerner, I just see it as indicating what region you're from.

[caribbeanhen]

Yeah, the students were doing what our students do, i.e. chants like the "go home yankees". The pressbox side (or the old folks side, as some would say) generally doesn't join in on those.

I am sure the Yanks in the crowd needed no reminders it was time to go home, it's not like they would become enamored with downtown Statesboro and decide to hang out for a few days of shopping, dining and sightseeing

[bullitt_60]

I heard the chant on the radio yesterday, so it did happen. I'm positive it was the student section... student sections have yelled much worse over the years. I'd be willing to bet that if the roles were reversed, some students would be yelling "go home rednecks". Not really sure what the big deal is.

[Cleets]

And that's why you don't run an offense where the defense knows exactly where the ball is...that's coaching malpractice. Why make it EASY on your opponent? Are you trying to lose?

Agreed... I completely agree with you
But still I can't figure why GSU posters seem offended and keep trying to deny that deception is one of the key elements in the triple option..?
I'm not suggesting it isn't man enough or real football - in fact it's probably the closest thing you can get to real football

[bullitt_60]

Agreed... I completely agree with you
But still I can't figure why GSU posters seem offended and keep trying to deny that deception is one of the key elements in the triple option..?
I'm not suggesting it isn't man enough or real football - in fact it's probably the closest thing you can get to real football

I think it a hint or suggestion of cheating? I don't know... it is deceiving like play action.

[Cleets]

Hey, we threw the ball EIGHT times yesterday! I kept wondering why we were doing that repeatedly? xsmiley_wix

The GSU QB is a really solid passing QB - I've been impressed with him in the three GSU games I've watched this year
He's a QB Lineage guy - sounds like he comes from a long line of high caliber football players

[straightshooter]

So I moved down to Ga, and I still don't understand how they are still fighting the Civil War. I have people ask me if Northerners think Southerners are stupid. WFT is that all about? Northerners forgot about about the war long, long ago. You are part of the USA now. I just don't get it.

We're really not still fighting it, but it sure makes for great internet fodder and a bit of fun at the stadium. It's all in jest, but it sure riles folks up from north of the Mason-Dixon line.

[straightshooter]

I heard the chant on the radio yesterday, so it did happen. I'm positive it was the student section... student sections have yelled much worse over the years. I'd be willing to bet that if the roles were reversed, some students would be yelling "go home rednecks". Not really sure what the big deal is.

The "redneck" name has already been suggested by on NDSU poster on this site.

[Cleets]

I think it a hint or suggestion of cheating? I don't know... it is deceiving like play action.

Absolutely agreed,
I read a great book on the West Coast offense a few years ago
and one of the key elements in the design of that attack was to have the defense feel like they were successful - stay with me (The Triple is similar) wait for it - before the West Coast offense came along teams passed a lot less and when they did pass it was for longer attempts like 15 yards a pass... Okay one of the Key elements of the West Coast offense is the 4 & 5 yard completion. The defense feels like "hey we stopped that pass" four and five yards at a time... two quarters later is 14 nothing

Triple option:
When you hold it to 5 yards you're like - Hey we stopped it...
It seems to have a similar effect on the defense as the west coast did in it's prime
The defensive line backers have to cover sideline to sideline all day long
and a five yard gain feels like a moral victory

[Mr. C]

Well, saying the "whole stadium" was chanting it isn't true. Either what you said was a fabrication or you were just plain wrong. You can decide which.

Split hairs (even if you don't have any) somewhere else. That chant at the end was just as loud as the "Whose House, Our House" chant at the beginning of the game and many of the people in the press box were making note of the loud cheer, including the GSU beat writers.

[Mr. C]

The GSU QB is a really solid passing QB - I've been impressed with him in the three GSU games I've watched this year
He's a QB Lineage guy - sounds like he comes from a long line of high caliber football players

That is the best I've seen Shaw throw the ball and Jeff Monken said as much in the post-game sessions. He also made some great fakes to set up those pass plays.

[ChiefGSU275]

Split hairs (even if you don't have any) somewhere else. That chant at the end was just as loud as the "Whose House, Our House" chant at the beginning of the game and many of the people in the press box were making note of the loud cheer, including the GSU beat writers.

I'll have to disagree and say the chant was not that loud, and i was next to the student section. As I said before, I never heard it. I did hear "Go play hockey! clap clap clapclapclap!" which could have been mistaken because it sounds similar. But I didnt hear the yankee chant at all.

[Eaglesrus]

Split hairs (even if you don't have any) somewhere else. That chant at the end was just as loud as the "Whose House, Our House" chant at the beginning of the game and many of the people in the press box were making note of the loud cheer, including the GSU beat writers.

And I can tell you that the old people around me (I'm included in that descriptor) on the pressbox side were not only not participating, they were asking the younger people in the area, who also weren't participating, what was being chanted. So, you say split hairs somewhere else, I say exaggerate somewhere else.

[ChiefGSU275]

It's no secret that Mr. C has no love lost for GSU. Especially considering GSU was able to beat the Maine team that put out his precious Appy's.

[Mr. C]

It's no secret that Mr. C has no love lost for GSU. Especially considering GSU was able to beat the Maine team that put out his precious Appy's.

What a positively DUMB post. Mr. C has tons of friends in the Georgia Southern program and loves coming to Paulson Stadium for games. The hospitality in Statesboro is second to none. Jeff Monken and his staff have always been great to work with, too. Mr. C has nothing but respect for Georgia Southern's tradition and program and is jazzed to see the Eagles back where they belong. If you can find anything less than positive that was written about GSU's performance yesterday, please point it out.

[Baldy]

Split hairs (even if you don't have any) somewhere else. That chant at the end was just as loud as the "Whose House, Our House" chant at the beginning of the game and many of the people in the press box were making note of the loud cheer, including the GSU beat writers.

Apparently I have more hair than you have functioning brain cells. It's not splitting hairs when you purposely CAPITALIZED the letters ("whole STADIUM", your capitalization...not mine) emphasizing something when you were completely wrong. xreadx

[Baldy]

It's no secret that Mr. C has no love lost for GSU. Especially considering GSU was able to beat the Maine team that put out his precious Appy's.

Chief, I have no doubt that Coulson has the utmost respect for our program (minus Sam Baker), just as I know that many inside our program have the utmost respect for App. I have had several people inside the program tell me that the App administration treats the team better when we are in Boone than any opponent when we play on the road.

Mr. C only has love loss when he interacts with fans on the messageboards.

[GATA_OneMoreTime]

Definitely not the whole stadium, but definitely a majority of the student section. I was participating in it. Go home yankees and go play hockey were both chanted. But who cares? A lot better than what students chant at Furman games.

[ChiefGSU275]

What a positively DUMB post. Mr. C has tons of friends in the Georgia Southern program and loves coming to Paulson Stadium for games. The hospitality in Statesboro is second to none. Jeff Monken and his staff have always been great to work with, too. Mr. C has nothing but respect for Georgia Southern's tradition and program and is jazzed to see the Eagles back where they belong. If you can find anything less than positive that was written about GSU's performance yesterday, please point it out.


Definitely not the whole stadium, but definitely a majority of the student section. I was participating in it. Go home yankees and go play hockey were both chanted. But who cares? A lot better than what students chant at Furman games.

In this case, I will admit I was wrong, and Mr. C, I apologize. However, I still dont think the WHOLE STADIUM was chanting it.

[mainejeff]

We're really not still fighting it, but it sure makes for great internet fodder and a bit of fun at the stadium. It's all in jest, but it sure riles folks up from north of the Mason-Dixon line.

You guys are still fighting it.......maybe not everyone, but definitely more than 50% (ie majority). I think a lot of the modern day stuff is that some young people think that it's "cool" while others buy into the political/Fox News B.S. It's a good way for them to keep control of you (and your vote ;)).

xpeacex

[CropDuster]

You guys are still fighting it.......maybe not everyone, but definitely more than 50% (ie majority). I think a lot of the modern day stuff is that some young people think that it's "cool" while others buy into the political/Fox News B.S. It's a good way for them to keep control of you (and your vote ;)).

xpeacex

Just like the lazy liberals at the OWS protest think it's "cool" to be hippes. Go piss up a rope.

[mainejeff]

Just like the lazy liberals at the OWS protest think it's "cool" to be hippes. Go piss up a rope.

Whatever........

[GSU EAGLES]

You guys are still fighting it.......maybe not everyone, but definitely more than 50% (ie majority). I think a lot of the modern day stuff is that some young people think that it's "cool" while others buy into the political/Fox News B.S. It's a good way for them to keep control of you (and your vote ;)).

xpeacex

Maine Jeff at a Maine viewing party this weekend. LOL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6hlUF4h-ZY

[mainejeff]

GSU Eagles in bed with his cousin watching Saturday's game........

http://themishmash.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/04/bed.jpg


LOL.

[seantaylor]

The "go home yankee" chant is just stupid. It almost demeans us, because nobody else in the country is even thinking about the Civil war. Never once heard someone from the north use the word "rebel".

[Twentysix]

The "go home yankee" chant is just stupid. It almost demeans us, because nobody else in the country is even thinking about the Civil war. Never once heard someone from the north use the word "rebel".

Hah maybe over a century ago. Your grandparents werent even alive then. xcrazyx

[eaglewraith]

The "go home yankee" chant is just stupid. It almost demeans us, because nobody else in the country is even thinking about the Civil war. Never once heard someone from the north use the word "rebel".

I'm sure everyone in that stadium that participated in that chant was thinking about the war for states' rights.

It's just what we call Northerners. I'm pretty sure many of them have referred to us as rednecks. That's a much more derogatory term.

[henfan]

The "go home yankee" chant is just stupid. It almost demeans us, because nobody else in the country is even thinking about the Civil war. Never once heard someone from the north use the word "rebel".

Agree that the chants & labels are moronic at this late date in our history. That said, a good many people have been thinking about the Civil War in this, the Sesquicentennial Year.xpeacex

[ButlerGSU]

Great game between two very good teams. The difference was that Maine's offense was simply never on the field (17 minutes total I believe) so their defense was worn out as Georgia Southern continued to run.

The fans I met were great though, hope everyone enjoyed their trip and traveled home safely.

[TwoFeathers]

Great game between two very good teams. The difference was that Maine's offense was simply never on the field (17 minutes total I believe) so their defense was worn out as Georgia Southern continued to run.

The fans I met were great though, hope everyone enjoyed their trip and traveled home safely.

Yep, and the turnovers killed any chances. Only what, 14 minutes on the field, versus 44??? Crazy.

[Apphole]

The worst thing Maine got at KBS was a Canada sucks chant and a "go play hockey. Clap. Clap. Clapclapclap."

[ButlerGSU]

The worst thing Maine got at KBS was a Canada sucks chant and a "go play hockey. Clap. Clap. Clapclapclap."

Of course...they dominated you at home, hard to talk too much smack when you're getting beat.

Not to say smack is ever the right thing to do.

[Bearwitness]

Great game between two very good teams. The difference was that Maine's offense was simply never on the field (17 minutes total I believe) so their defense was worn out as Georgia Southern continued to run.
Bingo. By keeping Maine's offense off the field in the first half they forced them to abandon their game plan and play catch up. Maine could not employ a balanced attack and had to resort to an air attack which is more prone to mistakes. Bottom line is that GSU did what they had to to win and are moving on.

[Apphole]

Of course...they dominated you at home, hard to talk too much smack when you're getting beat.

Not to say smack is ever the right thing to do.
I wouldn't say it reached a level of domination until the second half. We went in at half time down 7. You are correct though. It's pretty uncommon to act like that when your team's getting destroyed.

[OL FU]

The crowd is shouting "Go home Yankees."

You mean the weren't hollering **** YOU MAINExconfusedx I don't understand:)

[Cleets]

You mean the weren't hollering **** YOU MAINExconfusedx I don't understand:)

Of all the things they could chant - I thought that was pretty decent also...

[Tubby Raymond]

That 3rd down call for Maine sucked.Fire Cosgrove

[Tubby Raymond]

GSU Eagles in bed with his cousin watching Saturday's game........

http://themishmash.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/04/bed.jpg


LOL.MaineJeff got kicked off these (MGB) boards? What ever for?

[Blueandwhitefightfight]

You mean the weren't hollering **** YOU MAINExconfusedx I don't understand:)

Haha. I see what you did there.

[Seven Would Be Nice]

You mean the weren't hollering **** YOU MAINExconfusedx I don't understand:)

We only do that for the teams we love. :)