Is the Patriot Officially A One-Bid League?

[DFW HOYA]

There was no way a selection committee would take an 8-3 Georgetown team. Georgetown could have been 10-1, lost to Lehigh, and still sat home.

The committee has marginalized the PL to a one bid league. When East Directional State can get beat up by a I-A team, that's good. When you're playing Ivy league teams, yawn.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

The PL had would have likely gotten two teams in '09 had Lafayette not lost to Lehigh.

The most annoying thing is constantly getting paired up with the CAA winner year after year and always playing the road.

[LUHawker]

The PL had would have likely gotten two teams in '09 had Lafayette not lost to Lehigh.

The most annoying thing is constantly getting paired up with the CAA winner year after after year and always playing the road.

This last comment is the real shame of it.

[DFW HOYA]

In '09, maybe, but not anymore.

At least two schools will never see an at-large bid no matter what.

[Pard4Life]

It depends on the year.

Just because Georgetown is not deserving of a bid doesn't mean the PL is doomed to one bid. The OVC received two bids if that's any indication. The larger field helps us. Georgetown needs to schedule and beat teams before it warrants a bid. Getting smoked by the only quality team on your schedule doesn't help.

And yes it is a real travesty our champ is always paired with the CAA champ.

[RichH2]

DFW,

I think you're jumping the shark with that comment. PL has gotten 2 and will again, particularly if rumor mills at LC, Gate and Cross are close to be right

[RabidRabbit]

PL needs to schedule CAA, SoCon, OVC, and MVFC conferences, not just Ivy, NEC and Pioneer. Patriot teams don't play any FBS. So yes, a conference that doesn't schedule tough OOC, and has no quality wins OOC, will be doomed to auto-bid only.

[Pard4Life]

PL needs to schedule CAA, SoCon, OVC, and MVFC conferences, not just Ivy, NEC and Pioneer. Patriot teams don't play any FBS. So yes, a conference that doesn't schedule tough OOC, and has no quality wins OOC, will be doomed to auto-bid only.

We do! Just not enough of them do or the teams that win the bid don't...

[lehighfball]

We do! Just not enough of them do or the teams that win the bid don't...

How did you do yesterday against the team that won the bid? Lafayette sucks.

[Bogus Megapardus]

PL needs to schedule CAA, SoCon, OVC, and MVFC conferences, not just Ivy, NEC and Pioneer. Patriot teams don't play any FBS. So yes, a conference that doesn't schedule tough OOC, and has no quality wins OOC, will be doomed to auto-bid only.

Oddly put. First of all, we've always played Ivy, even before there was an Ivy. We always will. We invented college football. And your Jackrabbits would lose to Harvard, Brown or Penn. Second, we do play CAA, SoCon and MVFC teams. Third, we're a league of private, highly-academic, non-scholarship colleges. We're the best non-scholarship league in the nation. We're simply not in the business of extorting American taxpayers to build our facilities, maintain our campuses and pay our "students" to play football.

[Twentysix]

How did you do yesterday against the team that won the bid? Lafayette sucks.

Better than they did against a team from one of those conferences. Lehigh sucks! xsmiley_wix

[Bogus Megapardus]

Lehigh sucks! xsmiley_wix

Indeed.

Thanks for caring.

[lehighfball]

Better than they did against a team from one of those conferences. Lehigh sucks! xsmiley_wix

They did about as good as you did against Youngstown. NDSU sucks!

[Bogus Megapardus]

No one reasonably expected Georgetown to get a bid. Even a 9-2 Duquesne would have have received a bid before an 8-3 Georgetown. With only six PL teams competing, Georgetown clearly would have had to have defeated Lehigh - and it didn't come close to doing that.

[DFW HOYA]

No one reasonably expected Georgetown to get a bid. Even a 9-2 Duquesne would have have received a bid before an 8-3 Georgetown. With only six PL teams competing, Georgetown clearly would have had to have defeated Lehigh - and it didn't come close to doing that.

So if Georgetown goes 8-3 next year, is there then an expectation in place? Of course not.

Maybe if it was "Northwest Georgetown State", some voters might take a closer look... xrolleyesx

[BucBisonAtLarge]

Yes, the Power of Brown is going to Towson, but no one has to draw them a map. This is, as previously stated, like a BB Tourney 7-10 game. If Lehigh had won that OT game with UNH they would have had that "marquee" win, but then where else would you put that loss, if there were to be one loss? Liberty? Holy Cross? Would it be regarded as a bad loss by the pundits of the AGS, and a UNH win outshine the tarnish? UNH with another loss might make the field but the win wouldn't shine so much. Here is the point-- 11-0 would get Lehigh with that schedule some sort of respect like a seed but with all of the muttering and suspicion rained down on SHSU for the previous three weeks.

The Patriot League champ is not playing in the first round, as it did last year, which sounds like an improvement. In the aggregate, the league was better OOC. The OVC got two bids this year, and I give the committee credit for rewarding the conference which could have presented a 6-way tie for champ. TTU and EKU both are playing in the first round. Our schedules serve our institutions well, carry forward long-standing rivalries and take advantage of the concentration of FCS schools in the Northeast. I am sure there is room for improvement within the current scheduling paradigm, (more OOC wins) but this may all change if the League does implement merit aid in football over the next few years.

When that decision comes, we might flirt with legitimacy in some holdouts' eyes, and no longer rely on the crutch of an AQ to pad our paltry collective football history, and get that spot on the road in the first round for a second team.

Go kick their asses, then go to Fargo and shut them up, if they can win in the round of 16.

[X-Factor]

So if Georgetown goes 8-3 next year, is there then an expectation in place? Of course not.

Maybe if it was "Northwest Georgetown State", some voters might take a closer look... xrolleyesx

It has nothing to do with what words make up your school name, but everything to do with the simple fact that YOU DIDN'T DESERVE A BID. I wish you luck next year though. The PL is a second tier conference and 8-3 will never get it done.

[StorminASU]

Oddly put. First of all, we've always played Ivy, even before there was an Ivy. We always will. We invented college football. And your Jackrabbits would lose to Harvard, Brown or Penn. Second, we do play CAA, SoCon and MVFC teams. Third, we're a league of private, highly-academic, non-scholarship colleges. We're the best non-scholarship league in the nation. We're simply not in the business of extorting American taxpayers to build our facilities, maintain our campuses and pay our "students" to play football.

Just stay on your high horse, stop complaining and get use to getting one bid then. Just because you can't win the tough games, don't start saying how high and mighty your academics are. As soon as we start an FCS academic thread, you can type till your fingers fall off, but right now we're talking football and the PL just doesn't get it done.

[DFW HOYA]

The PL is a second tier conference and 8-3 will never get it done.

Which tends to prove the title of this thread.

[Squealofthepig]

Maybe if it was "Northwest Georgetown State", some voters might take a closer look... xrolleyesx

Only in the coaches' poll, and only then because coaches (sorry, SIDs) confused them with Northwestern State. xchinscratchx

[Engineer86]

Better than they did against a team from one of those conferences. Lehigh sucks! xsmiley_wix

Please it was 37-0 before Coen emptied the bench. Stop with the score comparison. Lehigh beat Lafayette in the same manner of NDSU

[MplsBison]

Oddly put. First of all, we've always played Ivy, even before there was an Ivy. We always will. We invented college football. And your Jackrabbits would lose to Harvard, Brown or Penn. Second, we do play CAA, SoCon and MVFC teams. Third, we're a league of private, highly-academic, non-scholarship colleges. We're the best non-scholarship league in the nation. We're simply not in the business of extorting American taxpayers to build our facilities, maintain our campuses and pay our "students" to play football.

Liar.

Every Patriot school gives need-based scholarships, right now. You know it too.

Secondly - Patriot schools receive millions of dollars in tax payer money every year. You know this too. Why are you such a liar?

[hawkineer]

Liar.

Every Patriot school gives need-based scholarships, right now. You know it too.

Secondly - Patriot schools receive millions of dollars in tax payer money every year. You know this too. Why are you such a liar?

I guess this officially ends the Lafayette - NDSU love fest that has been underway for the last week. Calling someone a liar. WOW!xthumbsdownx

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Oddly put. First of all, we've always played Ivy, even before there was an Ivy. We always will. We invented college football. And your Jackrabbits would lose to Harvard, Brown or Penn. Second, we do play CAA, SoCon and MVFC teams. Third, we're a league of private, highly-academic, non-scholarship colleges. We're the best non-scholarship league in the nation. We're simply not in the business of extorting American taxpayers to build our facilities, maintain our campuses and pay our "students" to play football.


You would think a school that is "highly-academic" would be better read on the dynamics of college football. Very little of any college athletic budget (at least SDSU and NDSU, of which I am most familiar) comes from the general fund. Scholarships come from donations and tickets/licensing deals made and not taxpayers. Just because they are public does not mean that they are completely so. Coughlin-Alumni stadium was built with money from it's namesake and other donations, renovated and upgraded by the Daktronics corporation, founded by SDSU professors and one of the largest display manufacturers in the nation. NDSU plays in a facility owned by the city of Fargo who themselves voted in a 1/2 cent city sales tax over 20 years ago to build a public facility to replace it's aging civic center.

Even though I'm just a lowly public college grad, I am a stickler for details.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

you are not exactly proving here that the taxpayers are not funding the state school sports program....


The Fargodome was built by the city of Fargo to be the public arena. NDSU is only a tenant. It is a major concert venue for the area as well as trade show arena. In the spring of 2009 the Fargodome was used as an emergency sandbag filling and staging area for the flood fight. NDSU doesn't own or get any say in the Fargodome operations, which is why the turf has been such a point of contention for so many years.


Hope this helps.

[FargoBison]

I guess this officially ends the Lafayette - NDSU love fest that has been underway for the last week. Calling someone a liar. WOW!xthumbsdownx

No, it's just Mpls being Mpls.....

[Sader87]

Hypothetically, I think a 9-2 HC with wins instead of losses to UNH, Brown and Georgetown would probably have made the playoffs this year.

[Bogus Megapardus]

I guess this officially ends the Lafayette - NDSU love fest that has been underway for the last week. Calling someone a liar. WOW!xthumbsdownx

I don't associate MplsBison with NDSU. NDSU fans are pleasant, articulate and logical. MplsBison is a troll who probably isn't an NSDU graduate.

[bison137]

In '09, maybe, but not anymore.

At least two schools will never see an at-large bid no matter what.



That's just silly. If the PL runner-up has a deserving record, then that team will get a bid.

[bison137]

So if Georgetown goes 8-3 next year, is there then an expectation in place? Of course not.

Maybe if it was "Northwest Georgetown State", some voters might take a closer look... xrolleyesx

It depends on who they go 8-3 against. If, like this year, they play a very weak schedule and, if like this year, they lose by double digits to a mediocre Yale team, lose by double digits to a mediocre Bucknell team, and get blown out by Lehigh, then yes, the expectation is they will not get a bid. And rightfully so.

[ngineer]

The PL had would have likely gotten two teams in '09 had Lafayette not lost to Lehigh.

The most annoying thing is constantly getting paired up with the CAA winner year after year and always playing the road.

Last year we went to UNI and won.

[MplsBison]

I can understand G-town's conundrum: play Pioneer teams and you won't get an at-large, don't play Pioneer teams and you'll lose.