Bonds gets nailed...

[blackfordpu]

Man that is great. He hogs the plate, that is what you get sometimes.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2447860

[blukeys]

Man that is great. He hogs the plate, that is what you get sometimes.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2447860


I was a pitcher as a kid. I remember in Little League how I would worry about hitting players. Coaches would send weak hitters up with instructions to crowd the plate and to try to affect the way someone would pitch. It did initially affect me because I didn't want to put these kids on base.

My manager told me that when someone crowded the plate I was to "Rear back and throw as hard as I could. If the kid got hit it was their job to deal with it like a man." After I hit a few kids they quit crowding the plate.

It's a shame the philosophy of my old manager isn't taught anymore.:(

[TexasTerror]

Russ Springer got a standing ovation in Houston...

I think he got an ovation from many across the nation...

I got no problem with it. Amazed he didn't get tossed after it was pretty obvious he was throwing at Bonds. We have to wait to see "Bonds on Bonds" to get his thoughts, eh?

Bonds, that was the "ghost of Ruth" that possessed him! ;)

[rokamortis]

A pitcher shouldn't intentionally hit anyone.

[TexasTerror]

A pitcher shouldn't intentionally hit anyone.

It's part of the game...

It happens.

Most of the time, if it's intentional, there's a "good explanation" behind it...

[blackfordpu]

Bonds had to know it was coming. I have to give him a little credit. He took it like a roid-man and went to first without a scene.

[Ivytalk]

Bonds had to know it was coming. I have to give him a little credit. He took it like a roid-man and went to first without a scene.

I'm sure he didn't feel a thing!:D

[rokamortis]

It's part of the game...

It happens.

Most of the time, if it's intentional, there's a "good explanation" behind it...

I can understand a batter getting hit by accident, it is part of the risk. But intentionally hitting a batter is BS. That's like saying taking out someone's knees in football is just part of the game - some things just aren't cool.

[Mr. C]

I've always thought like Don Drysdale uses to say, that rather than intentionally walk the guy, just go ahead and drilled him. It speeds up the game and saves pitches and makes all of us Bonds fans happy. I loved it a couple of years ago when Roger Clemens said he was going to drill Barry in his armor and then went out and did it.

[bluehenbillk]

Russ Springer is my man of the week.

[blackfordpu]

I can understand a batter getting hit by accident, it is part of the risk. But intentionally hitting a batter is BS. That's like saying taking out someone's knees in football is just part of the game - some things just aren't cool.

Definetly not the same thing. Taking out the knees can be career ending. Pegging someone in the back is just intemidation.

[AppGuy04]

Man, I played baseball from the time I was 4 until I was 20 and I can't count the number of times I was beaned, most of the time probably on purpose. It's a part of the game, and anyone that can't handle it, shouldn't be playing, and definitely shouldn't be crowding the plate. Bonds and Jeff Bagwell both have always irked me b/c they stand right over the plate.

[jstate83]

Dude was pitching fine until BONDS came to bat.: smh :

Then all of a sudden, the first pitch go BEHIND BONDS and the others are CLOSE, inside, and UP..............then PLUNK.:rolleyes:

Oh...................Did I mention these GOD-FEARING, PLAY BY THE RULES, DO NO WRONG "FANS" CHEERED a man getting beemed?

Dude did what he was TRYING TO DO...................HIT BONDS.

OH..................Did I mention also the "FAN's" gave the the pitcher a STANDING OVATION AS HE WALKED OFF THE FIELD?
Yep.....................That's real class.:nonono2:

Look at some of the comment's here from some of these "Golden Rule" posters.....................actually happy a man got hit on purpose..............:nonono2:

Print excuses here X______________________.:bang:

[AppGuy04]

Dude was pitching fine until BONDS came to bat.: smh :

Then all of a sudden, the first pitch go BEHIND BONDS and the others are CLOSE, inside, and UP..............then PLUNK.:rolleyes:

Oh...................Did I mention these GOD-FEARING, PLAY BY THE RULES, DO NO WRONG "FANS" CHEERED a man getting beemed?

Dude did what he was TRYING TO DO...................HIT BONDS.

OH..................Did I mention also the "FAN's" gave the the pitcher a STANDING OVATION AS HE WALKED OFF THE FIELD?
Yep.....................That's real class.:nonono2:

Look at some of the comment's here from some of these "Golden Rule" posters.....................actually happy a man got hit on purpose..............:nonono2:

Print excuses here X______________________.:bang:

No excuses needed, he hit him on purpose and sent his message, bottom line. Nobody is trying to hide that fact

[blackfordpu]

No excuses needed, he hit him on purpose and sent his message, bottom line. Nobody is trying to hide that fact

Agreed, someone finally stood up to him and said he didn't like what he did to the game.

[jstate83]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There you have it....................from 2 "SPORTSMEN" xlolx ...................:nod:


When Bonds ram's a bat up someone's backside for this ................DON'T SAY SHAT!!

There is going to be an all out fight between BONDS/GIANT's and some dumbarse hack that throws at people.:nod:

Like I said before...................nothing suprises me here.xlolx

Post double standard, look the other way excuses 3 thru whatever here X______________________.: smh :

[AppGuy04]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There you have it....................from 2 SPORTSMEN...................:nod:


When Bonds ram's a bat up someone's backside for this ................DON'T SAY SHAT!!

There is going to be an all out fight between BONDS/GIANT's and some dumbarse hack that throws at people.:nod:

Like I said before...................nothing suprises me here.xlolx

Post double standard, look the other way excuses 3 thru whatever here X______________________.: smh :

Hey, read please

Hitting people is part of the game

Taking steroids in not

Bonds got hit within the rules, whether or not he was thrown at

[jstate83]

Hey, read please

Hitting people is part of the game

Taking steroids in not
Bonds got hit within the rules, whether or not he was thrown at

Yeah man.....................Hitting people on purpose is part of the game.:eek: :bang: xidiotx xlolx :nod: :eyebrow:
OK.................The next time the Giant's play Houston, Giant's pitcher's need to start in the first inning knocking people out to prove a point about hitting one ot THEIR players on purpose.................Send a message RIGHT.

Yeah right...................man .................ya'll kill me with this double standard mess.
Can't wait to hear how xlolx you are when something messed up happenes to another player.

[jstate83]

No excuses needed, he hit him on purpose and sent his message, bottom line. Nobody is trying to hide that fact
And I did read YOUR WORDS.:eyebrow:

[AppGuy04]

Yeah man.....................Hitting people on purpose is part of the game.:eek: :bang: xidiotx xlolx :nod: :eyebrow:
OK.................The next time the Giant's play Houston, Giant's picter's need to start in the first inning knocking people out to prove a point about hitting one ot THEIR players on purpoes.................Send a message.

Yeah right...................man .................ya'll kill me.
Can't wait to hear how xlolx you are when something messed up happenes to another player.

Find me a rule where it says you can't throw at a batter on purpose

Won't happen

[*****]

Yeah, argue that you don't like his attitude, that he is a cheater, that plunking/brushback pitches are part of the game, but being happy that Bonds gets hit is not right IMO. Rightfully the pitcher got ejected.

[AppGuy04]

Yeah, argue that you don't like his attitude, that he is a cheater, that plunking/brushback pitches are part of the game, but being happy that Bonds gets hit is not right IMO. Rightfully the pitcher got ejected.

Never said I was happy about it, just said it was part of the game, especially if you hang over the plate like Bonds. Honestly, I'm surprised more people haven't plunked him on purpose.

[*****]

Man that is great...:(

[jstate83]

Find me a rule where it says you can't throw at a batter on purpose

Won't happen

AHHHH..................The UMP evidently know one...............Because he warned that HACK three pitches before he threw his sorry arse out.:nod:

Man........................Just stop.:nono:
Your justification for this say's a lot about how "Fair" and "Openminded" JOE SIXPACK really is.

Just say you HATE BONDS and leave it at that.
Don't make a "CRIT" out of yourself justifing this crap and then turn around talking about SPORTSMANSHIP in another post.

Guess this guy is BASEBALL's answer to the word "THUG" .xlolx

[AppGuy04]

AHHHH..................The UMP evidently know one...............Because he warned that HACK three pitches before he threw his sorry arse out.:nod:

Man........................Just stop.:nono:
Your justification for this say's a lot about how "Fair" and "Openminded" JOE SIXPACK really is.

Just say you HATE BONDS and leave it at that.
Don't make a "CRIT" out of yourself justifing this crap.

It's within the rules, thats all the justification I need

I don't like Bonds, and thats my right, so yes, it amuses me

[jstate83]

It's within the rules, thats all the justification I need

I don't like Bonds, and thats my right, so yes, it amuses me

Thank you.......................That's all you have to say..........: smh :
(hoping a line drive pop's this "pitcher" right in the middle of his forehead........KNOCKED OUT TO THE POINT HE HAS TO BE WHEELED OFF THE FIELD ON A STREACHER)...................Then I WILL LAUGH.xlolx

[*****]

I don't like Bonds either but it is clearly against the rules to intentionally hit a batter.
8.02
The pitcher shall not_ (d) Intentionally Pitch at the Batter. If, in the umpire's judgment, such a violation occurs, the umpire may elect either to: 1. Expel the pitcher, or the manager and the pitcher, from the game, or 2. may warn the pitcher and the manager of both teams that another such pitch will result in the immediate expulsion of that pitcher (or a replacement) and the manager. If, in the umpire's judgment, circumstances warrant, both teams may be officially "warned" prior to the game or at any time during the game. (League Presidents may take additional action under authority provided in Rule 9.05) To pitch at a batter's head is unsportsmanlike and highly dangerous. It should be and is_condemned by everybody. Umpires should act without hesitation in enforcement of this rule.http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/official_rules/pitcher_8.jsp

[jstate83]

Well APP...................since there IS a rule against this...................and we all know how you are for "Following the rules":rolleyes: .........tell me:

Do you think this guy should be tossed out of baseball for being a THUG with a 90mph weapon?xlolx

You know the drill:
X_____________________.:bang: :bang: (ahead of time)

[AppGuy04]

Well APP...................since there IS a rule against this...................and we all know how you are for "Following the rules":rolleyes: .........tell me:

Do you think this guy should be tossed out of baseball for being a THUG with a 90mph weapon?xlolx

You know the drill:
X_____________________.:bang: :bang: (ahead of time)

Should he have been thrown out, yes

Do I blame him for doing it, no

And its still a judgement call, so its not a concrete rule like the use of steroids(Bonds)

[jstate83]

Should he have been thrown out, yes

Do I blame him for doing it, no

And its still a judgement call, so its not a concrete rule like the use of steroids(Bonds)

:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:
To play off YOUR words...................

Find me a CONVICTION......xlolx ........FIND ME A POSITIVE TEST.....xlolx ........FIND ME AN ADMISSION OF KNOWINGLY TAKING ROIDS by BONDS.xlolx :nod: :eyebrow:

Betcha can't do it ..................CAN YA!!xlolx

That's enough excuses ......................this hack is justified in your book.
You are a TRUE RULE FOLLOWING SPORTSMAN................Just like those CRIT's in HOUSTON that cheered..........:hurray: ............with their kid's right beside them.xidiotx

Great lessons to teach your child JOE SIXPACK.xlolx
But anyway.............enough about BONDS..............you win.xlolx

Told ya'll.....................:bang: :bang: (ahead of time)xlolx

[AppGuy04]

Just like Bonds, the pitcher hasn't admitted that he threw at him on purpose, so your argument doesn't hold weight. We assume he threw at Bonds, which he probably did, just like we assume that Bonds took roids, which he probably did, so whats your point?

As for blame, no I don't blame him for doing it, and thats my right, its my opinion, and my opinion doesn't always have to follow the rules, I'm not governed by MLB, Bonds and the roids are.

[jstate83]

Just like Bonds, the pitcher hasn't admitted that he threw at him on purpose, so your argument doesn't hold weight. We assume he threw at Bonds, which he probably did, just like we assume that Bonds took roids, which he probably did, so whats your point?

JUST STOP.............MAN...............MY SIDE IS BOUT TO SPLIT!! :bawling: :bawling: xlolx xlolx :bawling:
POINT:
Is how your "HIGH SPORTS MORALS" changes with the wind.

You think Bonds took ROIDS, he's an ass for not running to 1st on a 6 foot pop fly............... but this guy get's a pass for doing the obvious in front of 50,000 people and the TV VIEWING AUDIENCE from the first pitch he threw BEHIND BONDS...........assume my arse. xlolx xlolx

As for blame, no I don't blame him for doing it, and thats my right, its my opinion, and my opinion doesn't always have to follow the rules, I'm not governed by MLB, Bonds and the roids are.

Yeah, Yeah...............YOUR RIGHT..............I "heard" your :rotateh: the first time....xlolx

OK KIDDIES...........Go out and "CRACK" open some skull's when pitching.
IT'S PART OF THE GAME...................according to some.

Man............I say about 2 more "HIT's" will just about do it.
Can't wait to see BOND's go NUKE on one of the worthless HACKS.:asswhip: :asswhip:

[Go...gate]

Even against Bonds, headhunting is inappropriate. But pitching close is perfectly appropriate - and he puts himself in the danger done by standing in the box the way he does. Count me in agreement with the Don Drysdale approach.

[*****]

Even against Bonds, headhunting is inappropriate. But pitching close is perfectly appropriate - and he puts himself in the danger done by standing in the box the way he does. Count me in agreement with the Don Drysdale approach.read the article. the pitcher has a history vs. Bonds. it ended the game for him in a violent act. that's not good baseball, same as knocking down a person going through the lane for a layup, cross-checking someone standing by the goalie or clotheslining someone going across the middle for a pass reception is not good sports.

[rokamortis]

Definetly not the same thing. Taking out the knees can be career ending. Pegging someone in the back is just intemidation.

What would you call hitting someone in the face with a 90+ MPH pitch? That is the risk when you try to intentionally hit someone.

[blackfordpu]

What would you call hitting someone in the face with a 90+ MPH pitch? That is the risk when you try to intentionally hit someone.

He hit him in the back, not the head.

[rokamortis]

He hit him in the back, not the head.

Ok - but earlier you said in football going for someone's knees is wrong because it could be career ending. What if it isn't career ending - is it ok then?

My argument is if you are intentionally aiming for someone then the risk of bodily injury becomes greater than if you pitched normal. Just like in football, there is a risk to get hurt on any play - but the risk becomes greater if someone is intentionally gunning for you.

[jstate83]

Even against Bonds, headhunting is inappropriate. But pitching close is perfectly appropriate - and he puts himself in the danger done by standing in the box the way he does. Count me in agreement with the Don Drysdale approach.

NOW THAT's PART OF BASEBALL.

I know BONDS is.................shall we say.................NOT YOUR FAVORITE PLAYER................ but thanks for telling the truth about what that MORON in Houston was doing. :nod:

I say again.....................This is going to lead to the FIGHT OF ALL FIGHT'S baseball has ever seen before this season is over.

Baseball better do something about it now.

[blackfordpu]

Ok - but earlier you said in football going for someone's knees is wrong because it could be career ending. What if it isn't career ending - is it ok then?

My argument is if you are intentionally aiming for someone then the risk of bodily injury becomes greater than if you pitched normal. Just like in football, there is a risk to get hurt on any play - but the risk becomes greater if someone is intentionally gunning for you.

MLB pitchers are good enough to know where they want to hit someone and then hit them in that spot. Hitting someone in the head is rare because it is hard to do. When that does happen it is always an accident. Spotting someone in the back is easily done and I'm sure is done intentionally.

[AppGuy04]

NOW THAT's PART OF BASEBALL.

I know BONDS is.................shall we say.................NOT YOUR FAVORITE PLAYER................ but thanks for telling the truth about what that MORON in Houston was doing. :nod:

I say again.....................This is going to lead to the FIGHT OF ALL FIGHT'S baseball has ever seen before this season is over.

Baseball better do something about it now.

Is Bonds gonna pull a needle out of his sock and stab someone?xlolx xlolx xlolx

[jstate83]

Is Bonds gonna pull a needle out of his sock and stab someone?xlolx xlolx xlolx

No......................But when he go to the pitchers mound with BAT IN HAND.......................SHUT UP.................No he's an arse, he should be banned, no he's a jerk.:nono:

Just shut up and watch a HACK get knocked out..................THAT'S WHAT I'M WAITING FOR...........And I'm going to enjoy watching every blow land.:nod:

Then I'll get to enjoy listening to the CRIT's that will be running their mouth's against BONDS.
Man................Listening to all these double-standards make's it easy to NOT LIKE anything about the game.:nod:

[AppGuy04]

No......................But when he go to the pitchers mound with BAT IN HAND.......................SHUT UP.................No he's an arse, he should be banned, no he's a jerk.:nono:

Just shut up and watch a HACK get knocked out..................THAT'S WHAT I'M WAITING FOR...........And I'm going to enjoy watching every blow land.:nod:

Then I'll get to enjoy listening to the CRIT's that will be running their mouth's against BONDS.
Man................Listening to all these double-standards make's it easy to NOT LIKE anything about the game.:nod:

If you, in fact, are Nostradamus, you might be visiting Bonds in jail

[jstate83]

If you, in fact, are Nostradamus, you might be visiting Bonds in jail

Not before I go visit those 2 hacks from the San Francisco Chronicle..............xlolx

Looks like they will make it there before BONDS.xlolx

[dbackjon]

Bonds is, and always has been a jerk - now he is a cheatin' jerk.

MLB should have banned his body armor (and Bagwell's etc) long time ago - that is a major reason Bonds has so many HR's - his armor allows him to take away half the plate.

[jstate83]

Bonds is, and always has been a jerk - now he is a cheatin' jerk.

MLB should have banned his body armor (and Bagwell's etc) long time ago - that is a major reason Bonds has so many HR's - his armor allows him to take away half the plate.

Which is it now ..................ROID's or ARMOR..................xlolx

[dbackjon]

Which is it now ..................ROID's or ARMOR..................xlolx

If you knew anything about baseball, you would know it is BOTH...but you are too blind in your loyalty to Bonds for some strange reason....

[jstate83]

xlolx
If you knew anything about baseball, you would know it is BOTH...but you are too blind in your loyalty to Bonds for some strange reason....

Man.....................I'm bout as loyal to BONDS as I am to anyone else I have never met.
Ain't none of the money comming my way, so why should I care.
I just like the way he has told the press all his life to ....................well ..........................BITE ME.xlolx

I'm just doing what ya'll are not................WAITING ON AN ACTUAL VERDICT based on PROOF from a COURT...............not 2 book selling hacks.:nod:

I just love picturing all of ya'll with your eye's bugged all out, spitting, screaming, dang near bout to explode everytime you see or hear about BONDS.xlolx

Ain't no freaking way I will waste my time worring about somebody elses life that has nothing to do with mine.
I'm not that insecure.:nono:

But....................Waiting for BONDS to hit #714 and #715 so I can watch all the blowheart's on Talk Tv and Radio burst a gasket over this crap.xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[dirtbag]

Definetly not the same thing. Taking out the knees can be career ending. Pegging someone in the back is just intemidation.

Tony Conigliaro, Dickie Thone, etc. say hi.

[dirtbag]

Find me a rule where it says you can't throw at a batter on purpose

Won't happen

That would be Rule 8.02d:
The pitcher shall not_ ... (d) Intentionally Pitch at the Batter. If, in the umpire's judgment, such a violation occurs, the umpire may elect either to: 1. Expel the pitcher, or the manager and the pitcher, from the game, or 2. may warn the pitcher and the manager of both teams that another such pitch will result in the immediate expulsion of that pitcher (or a replacement) and the manager. If, in the umpire's judgment, circumstances warrant, both teams may be officially "warned" prior to the game or at any time during the game. (League Presidents may take additional action under authority provided in Rule 9.05) To pitch at a batter's head is unsportsmanlike and highly dangerous. It should be and is_condemned by everybody. Umpires should act without hesitation in enforcement of this rule.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/official_rules/pitcher_8.jsp

You really don't know much about baseball, do you?

[TexasTerror]

Tony Conigliaro, Dickie Thone, etc. say hi.

Poor Dickie Thon...

Had an incredible 1982 and 1983 for the Astros. Got beaned early in 1984, really impacting his vision. Was never the same. If he was even close to his '82 and '83 numbers in '86, I say the Astros would've knocked that door down and made the World Series...

Never hit higher than .251 in his last three years with the Astros. The previous two years, he hit over .275. 1983 he had 20 HRs and 79 RBIs...

[Mr. C]

For over 100 years, baseball was a game that worked within strict guidelines that were policed by the players. You did certain things and you knew you would pay by getting hit. Willie Mays and Hank Aaron got thrown at and plunked all of the time. People knew if they threw at guys like Frank Robinson, or Steve Garvey that they would probably pay by those guys drilling a line drive some place. There was a right and honorable way to play the game. Barry Bonds has flaunted that through his career, after learning the game from his father, who was one of the most disliked players of his era (Bobby Bonds played in my home town as a Minor Leaguer, so I've known about the Bonds clan since Bobby was in his teens). There is a reason why Bobby Bonds was moved from team to team so often. You don't stand and admire your home runs. You don't wear body armor, you don't use drugs to enhance your abilities (only a fool doesn't believe Bonds has used steroids, HGH etc.). You don't take a half-hour to stroll around the bases after hitting one out. Bonds has long disrespected the game that has given him such a priviledged existence as a kid and an adult. In the old days, before people like Bud Selig tried to sanitize things, these things got taken care of and no one made a big deal of players occasionally being hit. Instead of guys like Don Drysdale and Bob Gibson keeping everyone in line, we have umpires throwing people out of games when a change-up gets away in a situation where a pitcher OBVIOUSLY wasn't throwing at someone, because they are trained to turn off their brains. Joe West, by the way, annually is ranked as one of the worst umpires in baseball by the players. Selig and company would just as soon every game be a home run fest, because they think it will bring in fans, so they have protected these jerks like Bonds, McGwire etc. I'll take a 2-1 game anytime over home run derby. Let the pitchers get back to enforcing the code of ethics and baseball will get back to being a great game.

[SoCon48]

He took it like a roid-man and went to first without a scene.

Like a roid man.
I love it!

[AppGuy04]

That would be Rule 8.02d:
The pitcher shall not_ ... (d) Intentionally Pitch at the Batter. If, in the umpire's judgment, such a violation occurs, the umpire may elect either to: 1. Expel the pitcher, or the manager and the pitcher, from the game, or 2. may warn the pitcher and the manager of both teams that another such pitch will result in the immediate expulsion of that pitcher (or a replacement) and the manager. If, in the umpire's judgment, circumstances warrant, both teams may be officially "warned" prior to the game or at any time during the game. (League Presidents may take additional action under authority provided in Rule 9.05) To pitch at a batter's head is unsportsmanlike and highly dangerous. It should be and is_condemned by everybody. Umpires should act without hesitation in enforcement of this rule.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/official_rules/pitcher_8.jsp

You really don't know much about baseball, do you?

Like I've said before, its not a concrete rule, still a judgement call. Steroids is NOT.

[*****]

... FIND ME A POSITIVE TEST... FIND ME AN ADMISSION OF KNOWINGLY TAKING ROIDS by BONDS. Betcha can't do it ..................CAN YA!! That's enough excuses ......................this hack is justified in your book...:rolleyes:

"FIND ME AN ADMISSION OF KNOWINGLY TAKING ROIDS"
Everyone knows what Bonds said to a Grand Jury, he used the "clear and the cream." Knowingly has nothing to do with it, ignorance has never been an acceptable excuse.

"FIND ME A POSITIVE TEST"
So he said he used a well-known steroid and the masking agent (used to avoid detection). Steroids had been made illegal in 1990 by US law and made a punishable offense by MLB in 1993.

The book about this was not written by hacks, it was meticulously researched with over 200 people providing accounts. That Bonds does not even file a defamation of character lawsuit about it is very telling to me. Makes it seem he can't refute the claims IMO. Makes it seem that he knew lots of other people knew the whole story so he told the Grand Jury. Why else would he tell them that? We all know that he is not the only one to use steroids... not everyone is telling a court they did though.

The point is moot. If he is punished he will be punished, if not then he won't be. I still think he's a cheater based on what he said and what all the others said until proven otherwise. I despise cheaters.

Should cheaters be plunked because they are cheaters? No. They should be prosecuted or ignored.

[jstate83]

xlolx
:rolleyes:

"FIND ME AN ADMISSION OF KNOWINGLY TAKING ROIDS"
Everyone knows what Bonds said to a Grand Jury, he used the "clear and the cream." Knowingly has nothing to do with it, ignorance has never been an acceptable excuse.
Yep............./Warp it into something that was NOT said.

"FIND ME A POSITIVE TEST"
So he said he used a well-known steroid and the masking agent (used to avoid detection). Steroids had been made illegal in 1990 by US law and made a punishable offense by MLB in 1993.
HE DID NOT.............QUIT TELLING LIE's.

The book about this was not written by hacks, it was meticulously researched with over 200 people providing accounts. That Bonds does not even file a defamation of character lawsuit about it is very telling to me. Makes it seem he can't refute the claims IMO. Makes it seem that he knew lots of other people knew the whole story so he told the Grand Jury. Why else would he do tell them that? We all know that he is not the only one to use steroids...
2nd book from the same 2 hacks that do this ever year at the same time.
Yep..................Let's just let the MEDIA run the court's.xlolx


Yep...........all that ain't worth the time it took to type it.

"Knowingly had nothing to do with it.............."
Thank's .............that's proof if I ever seen it. :rolleyes:

Because BONDS has not file suit is telling...................HE!!, THE COURT'S HAVE NOT FOUND A WAY TO GO AFTER THESE GUY'S YET.
All they can do it threaten jail time for not naming sources.

They are hiding their sources behind the "freedom of the Press" and "Freedom of Speach".

The fact that they are cowering behind these crutches is TELLING..........cause we all know how honest the media is.
Tell that "If it's on the news, it must be true" for the SHUT-IN set.
Must be nice to write shat an never have to do anything on your side to prove a dang thing..............FUNNY.xlolx

If they so sure of their findings, turn shat over................but you gloss over all that to go after BONDS with NO TRIAL or CONVICTION or POSITIVE TEST.
If I ever need a jury, I hope like He!! none of ya'll are called.xlolx

"GUILTY....................we don't need a trial".:bang:

BTW RALPH: I went through this with you on the SWACPAGE until you started CRYING and explaining to everyone on the SWACPAGE who you are......................so let it go. This is all the time I have for it again with you.
Remember...............DON'T POST...........EASILY DONE?

[jstate83]

BTW: 05/20/2006............................xlolx :D xlolx :D

#714....................A 450 ft BOMB!!:eek: :eek: :hurray: :hurray: :hurray:

[TexasTerror]

It may be in the record books...

But forever and always, people will in their mind question the validity of the record. Perception means a lot to many people. Bonds' accomplishments will be recognized, but not many people will consider them credible...

[*****]

... BTW RALPH: I went through this with you on the SWACPAGE...and you STILL have your head in the sand? :nonono2: All your blubbering about "no proof" doesn't mean jack when hundreds of people including Bonds himself say otherwise. I got the terminology mixed up, the clear and the cream are both "undetectable" steroids... my MISTAKE...
Bonds testified that he had received and used clear and cream substances from his personal strength trainer, Greg Anderson, during the 2003 baseball season but was told they were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a rubbing balm for arthritis.

Federal prosecutors confronted Bonds during his testimony on Dec. 4, 2003, with documents indicating he had used steroids and human growth hormone during a three-year assault on baseball's home run record, but the Giants star denied the allegations.

During the three-hour proceeding, two prosecutors presented Bonds with documents that allegedly detailed his use of a long list of drugs: human growth hormone, Depo-Testosterone, undetectable steroids known as "the cream" and "the clear," insulin and Clomid, a drug for female infertility sometimes used to enhance the effect of testosterone...

To the prosecutors, the substances Bonds said he was using sounded like "the cream" and "the clear," two steroids designed to be undetectable in laboratory testing that Victor Conte, founder of BALCO, is accused of marketing to elite athletes, sometimes with Anderson as middleman.BTW, you are a newbie to TSPN and here so maybe you should explain who YOU are.

Don't start none, won't be none...

[*****]

#714...If a tree falls in the middle of the forest and no one hears it, did it really fall? xlolx

[Gil Dobie]

http://cagle.msnbc.com/news/BaseballSteroidsRoundup/images/benson.gif

[Gil Dobie]

http://cagle.msnbc.com/news/BaseballSteroidsRoundup/images/ramsey.jpg

[jstate83]

If a tree falls in the middle of the forest and no one hears it, did it really fall? xlolx

Now see.................you quoting me again trying to be funny.:nod:

When your little feeling get hurt again ....................don't start byotching and crying like a little girl like you did on the SWACPAGE.:nono:

[jstate83]

and you STILL have your head in the sand? :nonono2: All your blubbering about "no proof" doesn't mean jack when hundreds of people including Bonds himself say otherwise. I got the terminology mixed up, the clear and the cream are both "undetectable" steroids... my MISTAKE...BTW, you are a newbie to TSPN and here so maybe you should explain who YOU are.

Don't start none, won't be none...

DUMBARSE..................Just like I go by another name here, I have been under a couple on TSPN.:nonono2:

You the only idiot that don't know that.xlolx
Stick to AGS.:nod:

Byotch and cry here X_________________________.xidiotx

[*****]

...Way to chill communication xidiotx

Whenever you get confronted with facts that don't fit in your "view" you start namecalling and putdown lies. This happens at TSPN and here. Sad really...

[wannabegaucho]

DUMBARSE
Is dumbarse a reflexive verb? I'm afraid I'm not familiar with it.

It sent a chill down my spine to watch Barry's home runs. I hope he does not pass Hank Aaron. I hope that opposing teams can be in situations where they can walk him. Hank Aaron was a far better player. Didn't Ruth also have fewer at-bats?

[*****]

Career Leaders for At Bats per Home Run
2. Babe Ruth 11.76 (22 Seasons, 8398 AB, 2062 BB)
3. Barry Bonds 12.91 (20 Seasons, 9140 AB, 2311 BB)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/ABpHR_career.shtml

[jstate83]

Way to chill communication xidiotx

Whenever you get confronted with facts that don't fit in your "view" you start namecalling and putdown lies. This happens at TSPN and here. Sad really...
Let the BYOTCHING start..................I knew it would not be long before you took the OPRAH "victim" route. xlolx

No...................I just want you to live up to your "no problem" , about posting to me, word.:nod:

Don't post to me....................I don't quote you..............or post to you.
I just respond to your bullshat when you quote me.

You really think way to much of yourself if you think your "facts" get to me.

I just don't want to "post" to you.:nod:

BTW: I left you a message on TSPN ................The "Barry ties Babe" thread since you want to follow me around quoting my statements..:nonono2:

[*****]

... want to follow me around...xidiotx xlolx xlolx xlolx you are too easy and now I'm bored of you... xcoffeex

[jstate83]

xidiotx xlolx xlolx xlolx you are too easy and now I'm bored of you... xcoffeex
GREAT..................It only took a grown man weeks to come up with an excuse to keep his word.:nod:

Whatever...............I'm easy................now will you go jump on someone else's D.................PLEASE.xidiotx

[blackfordpu]

Bonds testified that he had received and used clear and cream substances from his personal strength trainer, Greg Anderson, during the 2003 baseball season but was told they were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a rubbing balm for arthritis.

I, like many other people, refuse to believe this statement. As anal and "maticulous" as Bonds his there is NO WAY he did not know what he was putting on or in his body. When you get paid that much for body performance you know what is going on with it as well as what is going in it at all times!

[HIU 93]

I, like many other people, refuse to believe this statement. As anal and "maticulous" as Bonds his there is NO WAY he did not know what he was putting on or in his body. When you get paid that much for body performance you know what is going on with it as well as what is going in it at all times!

Whether you refuse to believe it, whether he took them, or whether he didn't. He still hit 714. I'm so happy. Ican't wait to see what you Barry haters say when he passes the Babe.

[TexasTerror]

Once I'm finished with my current reading, I'm heading head-first into the Bonds book by those two writers from the San Fransisco Post. I'll let you know my thoughts on that after I get through it...

[Gil Dobie]

Whether you refuse to believe it, whether he took them, or whether he didn't. He still hit 714. I'm so happy. Ican't wait to see what you Barry haters say when he passes the Babe.

I like Barry Bonds, just think what he would have done on Steroids.

Willie Mays on Bonds etc.
Costas asks Mays: "Have you ever seen anybody as a contemporary? Have you ever seen anybody who [made you say]: 'That guy is as good or better than me'?"
Responds Mays: "I can't. You name one and I'll tell you no. Just name one. Anybody."
Costas: "Barry Bonds?"
Mays: "No. Barry couldn't throw with me. He might not have been able to run with me. Let's give him hitting, since he hit 73 [in 2001]. Don't think I can hit 73 home runs. I give him that. But what else?"